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I need help. I took my DNA test and the results show that I am white. I couldn't believe it. I cried and cried. I don't understand anything on the test. It reads that I am of European descent and my Haplogroup is T1. I don't understand the sequence they sent me and it didn't show any "T" anything. I feel so bad that I wanted to drink. I'm still depress after this horrible conclusion. I talked to my boyfriend and told him I wanted to die. Do anyone believe in these DNA tests. I am no longer a believer. I think they are just out to get your money. Clyde Winters please help me. What the heck is a T1 Haplogroup. What country is that found?
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quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: I need help. I took my DNA test and the results show that I am white. I couldn't believe it. I cried and cried. I don't understand anything on the test. It reads that I am of European descent and my Haplogroup is T1. I don't understand the sequence they sent me and it didn't show any "T" anything. I feel so bad that I wanted to drink. I'm still depress after this horrible conclusion. I talked to my boyfriend and told him I wanted to die. Do anyone believe in these DNA tests. I am no longer a believer. I think they are just out to get your money. Clyde Winters please help me. What the heck is a T1 Haplogroup. What country is that found?
I can't break this down to you like Supercar and Rasol. I am sure they will answer your question soon.
quote:Originally posted by Myra Wysinger: Haplogroup T is believed to have originated in Mesopotamia or Anatolia approximately 10,000 years before present, and to have moved northwards.
Maybe someone can add more information.
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Where at Northwards? If it Originated in "Mesopotamia" or "Anatolia" why did they say I'm "European" and the T gene is found in Europe?
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quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: Arabs are people from Saudia Arabia or the Arabian Peninsula. Plain and simple
Apparently, it isn't that "plain and simple", as this thread attests to. There are people in Africa who call themselves "Arabs". Now you may question that, but that would be immaterial to these folks.
Oh, I know what you mean. That is why I said "plain and simple" because it should be but it's not. I don't know what is causing the confusion.
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by Myra Wysinger: Haplogroup T is believed to have originated in Mesopotamia or Anatolia approximately 10,000 years before present, and to have moved northwards.
Maybe someone can add more information.
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Where at Northwards? If it Originated in "Mesopotamia" or "Anatolia" why did they say I'm "European" and the T gene is found in Europe?
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: The original people of modern day "Saudi Arabia" and the Arabian peninsula were no one other than black people.
Change of heart sista? Besides T Did they also find any arab lineages
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I always thinnk Europe and Asia are actually on the same continent and the idea of them being classed different has more to do with politics than reality.
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Any relatives from Easter Europe/Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, etc) but I just saw a reference to Jesse James (the bank robber and he was English)supposedly carrying the T haplotype! Remember when people react to you, they do so based on your phenotype not what your DNA states!
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quote:Originally posted by Myra Wysinger: Haplogroup T is believed to have originated in Mesopotamia or Anatolia approximately 10,000 years before present, and to have moved northwards.
Haplogroup T: The clan of "Tara" (Gaelic for rocky hill) includes slightly fewer than 10% of modern Europeans. Its many branches are widely distributed throughout southern and western Europe with particularly high concentrations in Ireland and the west of Britain. Tara herself lived 17,000 years ago in the northwest of Italy among the hills of Tuscany and along the estuary of the river Arno.
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Relax, it just shows that your direct maternal ancestor from 10,000 years ago was Anatolian or some other West Asian. It doesn't mean that you are West Asian (or European). Autosomal DNA tests may be more helpful in that, but it doesn't at all mean you're white. Are Greeks with E3b black? There are even some Frenchmen, Englishmen, and Scandinavians with E3b, but it doesn't at all make them black.
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There is the recent case of a--as the reports put it--of " blond, blue-eyed, Ayran-looking German" whose Y chromosome put him on the Swahili areas of East Africa.
Of course, we should all realise that the genomes of all living humans are but minor variations on original African genomes.
In much the same way that the name of, say Fatimah, has transmuted over time with small letter changes over time to yield the following: Fatoumata, Fatma, Fahma, Fatmata, Fatimatou, etc. The same with the Christian name Peter--from Petrum(Latin for "rock")--mutating into Pierre, Pedro, Peter, Pieter, etc.
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While groups of hunter-gatherers and subsistence fishermen had been occupying much of Eurasia for tens of thousands of years, around ten thousand years ago a group of modern humans living in the Fertile Crescent—present-day eastern Turkey and northern Syria—began domesticating the plants, nuts, and seeds they had been collecting. What resulted were the world's first agriculturalists, and this new cultural era is typically referred to as the Neolithic.
Groups of individuals able to support larger populations with this reliable food source began migrating out of the Middle East, bringing their new technology with them. By then, humans had already settled much of the surrounding areas, but this new agricultural technology proved too successful to ignore, and the surrounding groups quickly copied these new immigrants.
Interestingly, DNA data indicate that while these new agriculturalists were incredibly successful at planting their technology in the surrounding groups, they were far less successful at planting their own genetic seed. Agriculture was quickly and widely adopted, but the lineages carried by these Neolithic expansions are found today at frequencies seldom greater than 20 percent in Europe, the Middle East, and Central Asia.
Spencer Wells The Genographic Project: Atlas of the Human Journey
T 16126 -16189 -16294-(16296) T 16126 -16189 -16294-(16296)-16298 T 16126 -16192 -16294-(16296) T 16126 -16291 -16294-(16296) T 16126 -16294-(16296) T 16126 -16294-(16296) -16311 T 16126 -16294-(16296) -16362 T1 16126 -16163-16186-16189 -16294 T2 16093-16126 -16294-(16296) -16304 T2 16126 -16294-(16296) -16304 T3 16126-16146 -16292-16294-(16296) T3 16126 -16189 -16292-16294-(16296) T3 16126 -16292-16294-(16296) T4 16126 -16294-(16296) -16324 T5 16126 -16153 -16294-(16296)
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FOUNDER STATUS, FOR CRITERION ----------------------------- HAPLOGROUP f0 f1 f2 fs fs0 OR SUBCLUSTER
x x T x T x T x x x x x T x x x x x T x x x T x x x x T x x x x x T1 x T2 x x x x x T2 x x x x x T3 x x x x T3 x x T3 x x x x T4 x x x x x T5
quote: Subjects and Methods ... Founder Analysis
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We identified “candidate” founders by searching for
identical sequence types in the Near East and Europe, and
inferred matches within the Near Eastern and European phylogeny, which are either
unsampled types with both European and Near Eastern derivatives, or
sequence types sampled only in the Near East and whose immediate derivatives include at least one European, or
sequence types sampled only in Europe and whose immediate derivatives include at least one Near Eastern individual.
We then developed criteria for screening out recurrent mutation and back-migration. These criteria were designed to identify types that had most likely evolved in the Near East and to exclude those which had migrated there during the more recent past; the presence of derived types in the Near East was used to distinguish the former.
We applied three levels of stringency to identify founder candidates, and we also performed analyses on the candidate list itself (f0). Two of the levels, f1 and f2, were threshold levels, designed particularly to minimize the effects of recurrent mutation. Especially in the case of a shared frequent type, a parallel mutation in both regions, usually at a fast position, is likely to be reconstructed as a single event, so that the mtDNAs bearing the derived state seem to be more closely related than they are. A sequence match (either sampled or inferred) between populations—and, hence, a false founder candidate—can result.
The threshold criteria aimed to reduce the impact of this effect, by requiring that matches should not be at the tips of the Near Eastern phylogeny: they are required to have either one (f1) or two (f2) branches deriving from them in the Near East. Furthermore, the derived types must connect to the founder candidate via Near Eastern (or shared) sequence types and not via sequence types found only in Europe. These criteria also provide a screen against recent back-migration into the Near East, since recently back-migrated types should also lack derivatives in the Near Eastern population.
A weakness of this approach for detection of backmigration is that it is dependent on the frequency of the founder cluster candidates in Europe. Clearly, for rarer types, the chance that back-migration or recurrent mutation will be detected is lower—and, for common types, it is higher—so that the criteria might be both too stringent for rare clusters and too weak for common clusters. We therefore introduced an alternative to f2, referred to as “fs,” in which the frequency of the cluster deriving from each candidate founder in Europe was used to scale the number of derivatives required in the Near East in order for the candidate to be counted as a founder type. To this end, we rescaled the (absolute) frequency of founder candidate clusters in Europe by taking logarithms to the base 10, rounding to the nearest integer, and then adding 1, allowing the outcome to be 1–4. This outcome was then used to designate the number of derivatives required in order for the candidate to qualify as a founder.
In addition, to investigate the effect of sample size and differential back-migration into the more peripheral Near Eastern populations, we reapplied the fs criterion, excluding these populations (a procedure referred to as the “fs0” analysis).
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Founder Analysis ... Partition analyses.
There are two major founders associated with the Neolithic (the root types of J and T1), several with the LUP (the root types of T, T2, and K and the H-16304 type), and several with somewhat earlier dates through the LUP and MUP (the root types of H, U4, I, and HV); and the root type of U is associated with the EUP. Note that, although, in the partition analysis, the H-CRS founder would be firmly associated with the LUP, it is in fact somewhat older than the Bølling rewarming, suggesting an earlier MUP immigration as well. It is also worth noting that, although several 95% CRs overlap the Mesolithic, only one of the 50% CRs does. The figure therefore provides some provisional support for the age classes in the basic model—but rather little support for the extended model with a Mesolithic migration.
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It is possible to summarize the most likely contributing founders to each migration (see fig. 1). In the fs analyses, the principal Neolithic founder clusters were members of haplogroup J (in particular, the clusters based on the root sequence types of J and of J1a), T1, U3, and a few subclusters of H and W. The main contributors to the LUP expansions were the major subclusters of haplogroup H (including those derived from the H-CRS, 16304, and 16362-16482), K, T*, T2, W, and X. The main components of the MUP were HV*, U1, possibly U2, and U4, and the main component of the EUP was U. In the extended analysis, the Mesolithic component arose mainly from the reallocation of parts of haplogroup T.
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Distribution of European Colonization Times
We first performed a naive founder analysis, using all founder candidates (f0). Although this analysis makes no allowance whatsoever for back-migration, the result from the partition analysis is interesting for what it does not show. Even this analysis attributes only 49% of maternal lineages to the Neolithic expansion, contradicting extreme Neolithic demic-diffusion–replacement views such as those of Chikhi et al. (1998a). Even when we allow for multiple dispersals of the H-CRS, by repartitioning this cluster within Europe, the analysis yields a Neolithic component of only slightly >50% (data not shown).
The Neolithic components in the f1, f2, and fs analyses were 22%, 12%, and 13%, respectively; the fsr value reaches 23% when possible multiple migrations of the H-CRS are allowed. This robustness to differing criteria for the exclusion of back-migration and recurrent mutation suggests that the Neolithic contribution to the extant mtDNA pool is probably on the order of 10%– 20% overall. Our regional analyses support this, with values of »20% for southeastern, central, northwestern, and northeastern Europe. The principal clusters involved seem to have been most of J, T1, and U3, with a possible H component. This would suggest that the early-Neolithic LBK expansions through central Europe did indeed include a substantial demic component, as has been proposed both by archaeologists and by geneticists (Ammerman and Cavalli-Sforza 1984; Sokal et al. 1991). Incoming lineages, at least on the maternal side, were nevertheless in the minority, in comparison with indigenous Mesolithic lineages whose bearers adopted the new way of life. This does not exclude the possibility that acculturation occurred principally in southeastern Europe and that there was considerable replacement in central Europe. The Mesolithic component is even higher along the Mediterranean coastline, where archaeologists have suggested Neolithic pioneer colonization of uninhabited coastal areas by boat and a developing patchwork of coexisting Mesolithic and Neolithic communities for several millennia (Zilha˜o 1993, 1998). The Neolithic component here is »10%. It is similar in Scandinavia, where, again, the development of the Neolithic was very late and the impact of newcomers likely was slight. It is lowest of all, as might be expected, in the Basque Country (7%), although the presence of a number of rare European types at elevated frequency in the Basques points to the action of genetic drift in the region, as well as to a lack of Neolithic settlement. It is worth noting that the consistency between these results and the evidence of archaeology provides additional support for the founder methodology. Our analyses provide little support for Mesolithic dispersals into Europe after the Younger Dryas glacial interlude, suggesting that, if they occurred at all, they probably were limited to »10% of the total.
The new analyses confirm that the greatest impact on the modern mtDNA pool was migration during the LUP. The regional analyses lend some support to the suggestion that much of western and central Europe was repopulated largely from the southwest when the climate improved, as has been suggested, on both archaeological (Housley et al. 1997) and genetic (Torroni et al. 1998) grounds, by previous studies. The LUP component is highest in western and central Europe and is slightly lower to the north and east. However, allowing for multiple dispersals modifies the picture somewhat. The LUP component is on the order of 45%–60% of extant lineages in the fs analysis but falls to »36% if the H-CRS is repartitioned to allow for possible multiple expansions. The lineages involved include much of the most common haplogroup, H, as well as much of K, T, W, and X.
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It seems plausible, then, that many founders of haplogroup H—and, possibly, founders from other haplogroups dating to the LUP, such as much of K, T, W, and X—may have
arrived prior to the LGM,
suffered reductions in diversity, as a result of population contractions at the onset of the LGM, and
subsequently reexpanded.
Martin Richards, Vincent Macaulay, Fulvio Cruciani, Toomas Kivisild, Nadia Al-Zaheri et al Tracing European Founder Lineages in the Near Eastern mtDNA Pool Am. J. Hum. Genet. 67:1251–1276, 2000
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A DNA test can't make you white. DNA tests only show the mother's mother's mother (on down the line in the case of mtDNA) or father's father's father (on down the line for the NRY chromosome).
Somewhere or other there's a chart that shows these tests leave out the vast bulk of an individual's ancestry. Population genetics is accurate for vast or regional populations when sampled in sizes of 50 contributors or more.
However, it tells an individual only a tiny part of their overall heritage.
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: I need help. I took my DNA test and the results show that I am white. I couldn't believe it. I cried and cried. I don't understand anything on the test. It reads that I am of European descent and my Haplogroup is T1. I don't understand the sequence they sent me and it didn't show any "T" anything. I feel so bad that I wanted to drink. I'm still depress after this horrible conclusion. I talked to my boyfriend and told him I wanted to die. Do anyone believe in these DNA tests. I am no longer a believer. I think they are just out to get your money. Clyde Winters please help me. What the heck is a T1 Haplogroup. What country is that found?
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OK, let's put this genetic testing and genetic "racial" conclusions in their proper perspective because their significance can be overblown way out of proportion on the individual level.
Now this example, as unlikely as it is, will show just how misleading a purely mtDNA and Y chromosome approach unaided by autosomal DNA, historical, linguistic, cultural and phenotypical physical anthropology can be.
[The following applies to the gene tree below and before anyone calls me on it and the analysis I'm making, yes, I know I've simplified]
Let's take a 54 year old subject today and go back five generations to that persons great-great-great- grandparents of 200 years ago in the days of slavery.
The O represents the subject.
The M is the woman five generations ago that mtDNA genetic tests reveal as the ancestress (of course the ancestress of the genetic test will go back much further than I can show for purposes of reasonable illustration). Let's say she's of the First Nations of the Americas
The F is the ancestral man as explained above except the genetic tests are done on the Y chromosome. Let's say he's of some north west European nationality.
The mtDNA and Y chromosome tests only show the matrilineal ancestry through the m 's and the patrilineal ancestry through the f 's.
All other ancestry (all those X 's and Y 's) is missed!
Now five generations ago in 1800, barring incest or cousin matings, the subject has 32 ancestors. Let's say 30 of them were all from some Mande ethnic group or other. They're all those X 's and Y 's. These DNA tests are going to miss them altogether although they contribute the overwhelming bulk of the make up of the subject. Literally, they make him (or her) what he (or she) is.
Why should the one out of 32 First Nation ancestress and the one out of 32 north west European ancestor disturb the psychic equilibrium of the subject with 30 Mande ancestral parents who's been told he/she is, out of all the Mande, a Mandinka by his/her parents? Why wouldn't a responsible tester or company tell their client about this kind of test limitation?
Damn the DNA, this sucker is a Mande! One monkey don't stop no show!
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YEAR GENERATION
1950 Ego/Ega O | 1920 1 m = f | | 1890 2 m = Y X = f | | | | 1860 3 m = Y X = Y X = Y X = f | | | | | | | | 1830 4 m = Y X = Y X = Y X = Y X = Y X = Y X = Y X = f | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 1800 5 M=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=Y X=F
To see how DNA conclusions can breed false historic notions imagine the person of my chart to be an Afrikan whose partial remains were found in an earthen mound denoting rulership status dating to 17th century Equatorial Guinea.
We know that two centuries earlier the Portuguese were dumping undesirables they dubbed lançados all along the Atlantic African coast. In this case M is a Portuguese Jewess, Y is an Iberian Portuguese, and all the rest are Ndowe.
Well, well, well. The only skeletal remain in the mound was a small bone fragment, not enough for physical anthropology to tell us anything. But now a DNA test from the bone fragment allows some Eurocentrist to confidently state that the Ndowe had a white ruling caste.
Beware of unsupplemented DNA conclusions.
On the otherhand, DNA sampling like this can backup a peoples' own claims as to origins when their phenotype would otherwise cause many to deny it. Case in point the Lemba of Zimbabwe/Botswana/South Africa who claim Hebrew origins. They have a higher percentage of the Cohen modal haplotype than Ashkenazi Jews. But instead of recognizing the Lemba's centuries old claim, the positors of the white Jewish race myth now doubt that CMH gene to be an accurate genetic marker. No science is devoid of sociological abuse.
Genetic origin, based on NRY chromosome and mtDNA, may or may not be related to the phenotype on an individual's level. The classic physical traits (the only ones that count in the day-to-day world) so far escape genetic identification. DNA can show continental and then regional origins from which a range of phenotypes can be assumed. There's more surety when a large number of contributors comprise the sampling of a population but some populations' genetic data is based on as little as under 50 members. Considering DNA tests for yourself? The company you chose is important because of the methods they use and the genome base they check against. Here's the link to a http://www.kerchner.com/dnaprintlog2003.htm http://www.kerchner.com/mtdnalog2003.htm where clients discuss their results, notice in particular the comments of those expecting SA (sub-Saharan African) matches
Avoid a company making extravagant claims about what they can do, or that doesn't come up front about the limitations of their tests, or who have a small comparative resource base, or has a high percentage of "2nd tests" due to "failures," or etc.
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A male person will receive his father's line of ancestry almost intact, unless until of course, a UEP occurred somewhere down the road. Even then, the father's ancestral line genetic data isn't lost. What would not be revealed about any other Y lineage, is that from the mother's side. This is where the mother's mitochondrial lineage reigns in. The mitochondrial lineage is generally received only from the mother. Here too, one can trace the person's maternal line almost intact.
Any potential additional info about the said male's recent ancestry composition, like that of the person's grandfather from the mother's side and the person's grandmother from the father's side [whose Y chromosome marker and mtDNA marker are lost respectively] via immediate paternal and maternal ancestry, might be acheived via autosomal analysis.
Both a male and female receive mtDNA only from the maternal parent. And since, females don't normally carry Y chromosomes, they don’t receive it from their father. So the father’s line of ancestry via Y chromsome is lost in a female offspring, but autosomal analysis will quite likely make up for that loss in another way. Autosomal test can only take one as far as the much more recent lines of ancestry, and thereafter, generally looses its usefulness as 'biohistoric' marker; this vacuum is filled in by the Y chromosome and mtDNA markers.
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Any relatives from Easter Europe/Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, etc) but I just saw a reference to Jesse James (the bank robber and he was English)supposedly carrying the T haplotype! Remember when people react to you, they do so based on your phenotype not what your DNA states!
^^^^So then Egyptians might not be black just becuase of African genes due to the fact babyboo is black and has white genes?!?!? *scratching head* Maybe DNA is a bunch of hogwash crap that is being to emphasized on this board..CLYDE?!?! Maybe you are on to something....
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quote:Originally posted by SupremeLove: I always thinnk Europe and Asia are actually on the same continent and the idea of them being classed different has more to do with politics than reality.
Don't be silly. Asia is "Asia" and Europe is "Europe". They share the same land mass but they are different continents.
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Any relatives from Easter Europe/Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, etc) but I just saw a reference to Jesse James (the bank robber and he was English)supposedly carrying the T haplotype! Remember when people react to you, they do so based on your phenotype not what your DNA states!
Phenotype always plays the factor. I don't have no relatives from Eastern Europe.
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quote:Originally posted by Yom: Relax, it just shows that your direct maternal ancestor from 10,000 years ago was Anatolian or some other West Asian. It doesn't mean that you are West Asian (or European). Autosomal DNA tests may be more helpful in that, but it doesn't at all mean you're white. Are Greeks with E3b black? There are even some Frenchmen, Englishmen, and Scandinavians with E3b, but it doesn't at all make them black.
I don't know what is this "Antolian" thing is. However, T haplogroup is not in Western Asians. It is soley found in Europe. Actually, I have European ancestors that date back 4 generations that is recent and not from 10,000 years ago. That could explain my "T" haplogroup.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: There is the recent case of a--as the reports put it--of " blond, blue-eyed, Ayran-looking German" whose Y chromosome put him on the Swahili areas of East Africa.
Of course, we should all realise that the genomes of all living humans are but minor variations on original African genomes.
In much the same way that the name of, say Fatimah, has transmuted over time with small letter changes over time to yield the following: Fatoumata, Fatma, Fahma, Fatmata, Fatimatou, etc. The same with the Christian name Peter--from Petrum(Latin for "rock")--mutating into Pierre, Pedro, Peter, Pieter, etc.
There is no such thing as a Christian name. I understand what you are saying though. I think all humans match each other one way or another.
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Originally posted by alTakruri: these Neolithic expansions are found today at frequencies seldom greater than 20 percent in Europe, the Middle East, and Central Asia
I'm getting contradicting reports. The company that specializes in DNA soley stated that the "T" haplogroup is found mainly in Europe.
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quote:Originally posted by SupremeLove: I always thinnk Europe and Asia are actually on the same continent and the idea of them being classed different has more to do with politics than reality.
Don't be silly. Asia is "Asia" and Europe is "Europe". They share the same land mass but they are different continents.
I believe Europe is more of a peninsula than a continent...
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A male person will receive his father's line of ancestry almost intact, unless until of course, a UEP occurred somewhere down the road. Even then, the father's ancestral line genetic data isn't lost. What would not be revealed about any other Y lineage, is that from the mother's side. This is where the mother's mitochondrial lineage reigns in. The mitochondrial lineage is generally received only from the mother. Here too, one can trace the person's maternal line almost intact.
Any potential additional info about the said male's recent ancestry composition, like that of the person's grandfather from the mother's side and the person's grandmother from the father's side [whose Y chromosome marker and mtDNA marker are lost respectively] via immediate paternal and maternal ancestry, might be acheived via autosomal analysis.
Both a male and female receive mtDNA only from the maternal parent. And since, females don't normally carry Y chromosomes, they don’t receive it from their father. So the father’s line of ancestry via Y chromsome is lost in a female offspring, but autosomal analysis will quite likely make up for that loss in another way. Autosomal test can only take one as far as the much more recent lines of ancestry, and thereafter, generally looses its usefulness as 'biohistoric' marker; this vacuum is filled in by the Y chromosome and mtDNA markers.
This is what was explained to me. I was told that the Mitochrondial DNA goes unchanged from Mother to daughter.
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quote:Originally posted by SupremeLove: I always thinnk Europe and Asia are actually on the same continent and the idea of them being classed different has more to do with politics than reality.
Don't be silly. Asia is "Asia" and Europe is "Europe". They share the same land mass but they are different continents.
I believe Europe is more of a peninsula than a continent...
Peninsulas can lie on continents.
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Thank you so much alTakruri. I don't understand everything but thanks for explaining. I don't believe in these DNA tests. I think they are out to take your money. I saw a documentary where a Swedish guy match perfectly with a Gambian.
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quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: Do anyone believe in these DNA tests. I am no longer a believer. I think they are just out to get your money. Clyde Winters please help me. What the heck is a T1 Haplogroup. What country is that found?
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: Thank you so much alTakruri. I don't understand everything but thanks for explaining. I don't believe in these DNA tests. I think they are out to take your money. I saw a documentary where a Swedish guy match perfectly with a Gambian.
What your real motive here Betty?
What are you really trying to discredit?
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quote:Originally posted by SupremeLove: I always thinnk Europe and Asia are actually on the same continent and the idea of them being classed different has more to do with politics than reality.
Don't be silly. Asia is "Asia" and Europe is "Europe". They share the same land mass but they are different continents.
Why am I silly? Don't take it personal black woman . I was just making an observation.
In any case, according to dictionary.com , the first definition of continent is:
one of the main landmasses of the globe, usually reckoned as seven in number (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica).
^If Europe and Asia share the same land mass, why are they different continents
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^^^Um..how is ANY African American slave descendant SURE about their ancestory, that made no sense could you clarify?
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How dare you insult the great American race! I rather shoot a foreigner any day than an American and I don't care if you are black. America is the best country in the world and we are better. There is a reason people sneak into my country, and marry my fellow neighbors for citizenship, and seek asylum from the war torn country. Everyone loves America that is why foreigner never make an attempt to go back to their barren country. I proud of my American accent. Our English is American not British. Let the British keep their English and we keep ours. I'm proud to say "I speak American" rather than "English". I'm sorry, but Americans are not fat. You know you love our country with all the privileges such as clear air, spaciousness, hot water and a bar of soap something you immigrants didn't do when you lived in your own country. By the way, you can have the British those has to be the most ugliest people on the planet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 133 | Registered: Feb 2007 | IP: Logged |
hmmmm.... Now isn't Britain part of Europe??? Better keep on crying Bettyboo...ROFL Posts: 1017 | From: uk | Registered: Mar 2006
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QUOTE]Don't be silly. Asia is "Asia" and Europe is "Europe". They share the same land mass but they are different continents. [/qb][/QUOTE]Why am I silly? Don't take it personal black woman . I was just making an observation.
In any case, according to dictionary.com , the first definition of continent is:
one of the main landmasses of the globe, usually reckoned as seven in number (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica).
^If Europe and Asia share the same land mass, why are they different continents
I reckon the Europeans just "reckoned" they'd bend the rules a bit [/QB][/QUOTE]
Asia and Europe share the same land mass they are still "different" continents. Africa and Asia share the same land mass but they are still different continents.
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How dare you insult the great American race! I rather shoot a foreigner any day than an American and I don't care if you are black. America is the best country in the world and we are better. There is a reason people sneak into my country, and marry my fellow neighbors for citizenship, and seek asylum from the war torn country. Everyone loves America that is why foreigner never make an attempt to go back to their barren country. I proud of my American accent. Our English is American not British. Let the British keep their English and we keep ours. I'm proud to say "I speak American" rather than "English". I'm sorry, but Americans are not fat. You know you love our country with all the privileges such as clear air, spaciousness, hot water and a bar of soap something you immigrants didn't do when you lived in your own country. By the way, you can have the British those has to be the most ugliest people on the planet.
Yes Britain is part of Europe. What is your point?
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quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: Do anyone believe in these DNA tests. I am no longer a believer. I think they are just out to get your money. Clyde Winters please help me. What the heck is a T1 Haplogroup. What country is that found?
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: Thank you so much alTakruri. I don't understand everything but thanks for explaining. I don't believe in these DNA tests. I think they are out to take your money. I saw a documentary where a Swedish guy match perfectly with a Gambian.
What your real motive here Betty?
What are you really trying to discredit?
I don't have no motive I'm a Real Proud Black African Queen.
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^^^Um..how is ANY African American slave descendant SURE about their ancestory, that made no sense could you clarify?
I agree, vidadavida, how would you as an African American slave descendant be sure about your ancestry, much less act like you know [and sure about the ancestry of] people who you are communicating with behind your computer screen, where you know you are quite safe from physical harm? Posts: 5964 | Registered: Jan 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: I need help. I took my DNA test and the results show that I am white. I couldn't believe it. I cried and cried. I don't understand anything on the test. It reads that I am of European descent and my Haplogroup is T1. I don't understand the sequence they sent me and it didn't show any "T" anything. I feel so bad that I wanted to drink. I'm still depress after this horrible conclusion. I talked to my boyfriend and told him I wanted to die. Do anyone believe in these DNA tests. I am no longer a believer. I think they are just out to get your money. Clyde Winters please help me. What the heck is a T1 Haplogroup. What country is that found?
Based on former posts, i bet you're quite happy, and created this thread simply to brag of your dear european ancestry...
Then again, Nur is just a bitter cynic, who's all too blind of human intentions. Posts: 214 | Registered: Feb 2006
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Calmd down you should have similar results with Halle Berry, Persia White, and alot of Black babies born today. You need to get a special African American DNA boards and find others who are T and Black just like you.
Characterization of human control region sequences of the African American SWGDAM forensic mtDNA data set.
The scientific working group on DNA analysis Methods (SWGDAM) mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) population data set is used to infer the relative rarity of control region mtDNA profiles obtained from evidence samples and of profiles used for identification of missing persons. In this study, the African American haplogroup patterns in the SWGDAM data were analyzed in a phylogenetic context to determine relevant single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) and to describe haplogroup distributions for Africans observed in these data sets. Over 200 SNPs (n=217) were observed in the African American data set (n=1148). These SNPs ranged from having 1-39 changes in the phylogenetic tree, with sites 152 and 16519 being the most variable. On average there were 5.8 changes for a character on the tree. The most variable sites (with 19 or more changes each) observed included 16093, 16129, 16189, 16311, 16362, 16519, 146, 150, 152, 189, and 195. These rapidly changing sites are consistent with other published analyses.
Only 34 SNPs are needed to identify all clusters containing 10 or more individuals in the African American data set. The results show that the African American SWGDAM mtDNA data set contains variation consistent with that described in continental African populations. Thirteen of the 18 haplogroups previously observed in African populations were observed and include: L1a, L1b, L1c, L2a, L2b, L2c, L3b, L3d, L3e1, L3e2, L3e3, L3e4 and L3f. Haplogroup L2a is the most commonly observed cluster (18.8%) in the African American data set. The next most common haplogroups in the African American data set include the clusters L1c (11.0%), L1b (9.1%), L3e2 (9.0%) and L3b (8.1%).
Approximately 8% of the haplogroups observed within African Americans were common in European Caucasians or East Asians; these were H (n=32), J (n=4), K (n=5), T (n=2), U5 (n=6), U6 (n=9 also known from North Africa), A (n=12), B (n=7), C (n=4), and M (n=16), respectively. The European Caucasian and East Asian haplogroups are expected due to admixture between individuals with recent ancestry in Western Eurasia and sub-Saharan Africa. The genetic characterization of these relevant data sets is fully consistent with other published mtDNA genetic variation. The sequence diversity observed in this data set makes it a valuable tool for forensic applications.
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quote: I agree, vidadavida, how would you as an African American slave descendant be sure about your ancestry, much less act like you know [and sure about the ancestry of] people who you are communicating with behind your computer screen, where you know you are quite safe from physical harm?
^^^This is the strangest response I have ever seen and I don't understand it so I will ask again.
WHY SUPERCAR DO YOU STUDY GENETICS OF EGYPTIANS AND NORTH AFRICANS(PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU) TO THE TEE ALL DAY AND NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR OWN!!!!!!!!!!
I can not tell you how SINCERE this question is!!!
This is not a joke or rant or tease; I beg of you Supercar to please address this seriously because I am being DEAD SERIOUS.
WHY DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR GENES AND YOUR ORIGINS!!!!!?!?!?!?
Please respond maturely Supercar, I would really appreciate it. If I have to call you sir or something so that you KNOW that I am being serious and sincere about this question; then I WILL.
Please SIR; will you answer this question for me because I do not understand why African Americans could care less about their origins or ancestory nor WHY they feel it isn't important.
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