As some of you are aware, Suzanne Collins' best-selling young adult novel The Hunger Games was made into a movie which came out last weekend making $155 million. Now however, is an ongoing though ridiculous controversy over the 'race' of a few characters in the predominantly white cast.
The controversy actually began last year when teaser posters were first put out for the movie featuring a couple of these characters.
^ Yes Lenny Kravitz is one of the characters. I haven't read the book nor have I seen the movie (yet), but my sister and some of my friends have, and apparently the little girl in the top poster is a beloved character met a tragic end. Yet despite she and her partner's (not Kravitz) appearance being described as having "dark brown skin" in the book, still the white race idiots whine and b*tch!
When complaints about the posters above were made last year, Racialicious first exposed the idiocy here.
But now that the movie is officially out, the racist b.s. is hitting the fan especially with insults against the young actress, as shown here.
I find this moronic rhetoric especially aggravating considering the REAL race-bending that goes on in Hollyweird. Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
LOL, Dude Ive read the book first one. Its clear that Rue, the Girl Character and her male counterpart from district 11 are black. On top of hainving dark brown skin There is a part that talks about her hair, which I can't recall the details but its "Thick/Curly" something like that..LOL
I would have thought it would be BLACKS angry and making some dumb fuss because District 11 apperantly is the "Black District" or one with an African American population and they are over "Agriculture"..lol I'd think sensitive blacks would complain about it being a reference to slavery or something..
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
I mean it was obvious Rue was black from the book, what white people actually think that they can have "Dark Brown Skin" natually..how absurd.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: what white people actually think that they can have "Dark Brown Skin" natually..how absurd.
CAH-SH*T-HE-RIDES AKA ANGLO-BATTYWASHOLOGIST does smh lol...
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
Reminds me of the controversey back in 1997 over a black character in the Final Fantasy game for playstation. Nerds were in a tizzy over a black character.
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
Who you mean Barett? Lol smh. But hey Bettyboo seems to think blacks aren't underrepresented in hollywood. Everything is soooo equal. I mean just look at how they didn't even give a black person the lead role and how people are already throwing a sh!tstorm. "Obama made everything okaaayyyyyiie!" my ass.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
Caucasoids have the most diversity in skin complexion, from milky white, pinkish white, olive or 'brunette white' to darker brown shades.
Most Southern Europeans are naturally olive in complexion, North African Berbers are usually darker brown, as are most remnant Caucasoids across the middle-east and India, but as you travel further north in Europe the Caucasoid populations are depigmentated and so more milky white.
You will only find in Europe the diversity of pale-white to olive or darker brown. No other race is depigmentated as some Caucasoid Europeans of the north are. This is why the afronuts out of self-hate such as Zaharan, try to include albinos in pigmentation studies of africa to desperately claim diversity...
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
Southern Euros like meds your "brunette/darker browns" are mixed or Asiatics and do not reflect the "diversity" of homogenous northwestern European lineages. Come off that sh!t man.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
Pale white skin is a recent mutation.
Full depigmentation only acted on Caucasoids who moved into northern parts of Europe, the rest of Caucasoids have retained higher degrees of the original ancestral skin hue, like this Greek man:
Your views are absurb, darker skinned Caucasoids are not admixed with other races, they just never depigmentated like this Greek man above. That is the ancestral Caucasoid hue.
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
Greeks and Italians have demonstrated for instance to be mixed with lineages that are not really present in Northwestern Euros. They are not made of an identical stock as you. Again you do not reflect the appearance of the non-homogenous Euro lineages yet you insist on acting as if you do. They CAN have your appearances because they are mixed in part with your lineages. But homogenous Euros must look to their own lineages and not the mixed ones.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
You complain about trolls, then proceed to argue back and forth with someone who never backs up their rather bizarre genetic arguments with genuine studies etc How clever (or hypocritical) is that? lol
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
Most of my complaints of trolling of the past few days have been directed at CT. Now if you would like to further put your foot in your mouth and imply that "Cassi" is the same as CT go ahead. How have you been white knighting him and talking to "him" as though "his" word has legitimacy and then describe him as someone who never backs up their genetic arguments. Run along, sock puppet.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: LOL, Dude Ive read the book first one. Its clear that Rue, the Girl Character and her male counterpart from district 11 are black. On top of hainving dark brown skin There is a part that talks about her hair, which I can't recall the details but its "Thick/Curly" something like that..LOL
LOL As I said, I never read the book, but from what I heard the description was 'dark brown skin'. If anything, one would expect hardcore fans to complain that the actress Amandla Stenberg who played her was too light in complexion!
Obviously her skin is not even a dark hue of brown! Yet idiots are complaining she isn't white!! It's also a damn outrage the type of hateful sh|t this talented little girl is getting from the race-haters.
quote:I would have thought it would be BLACKS angry and making some dumb fuss because District 11 apperantly is the "Black District" or one with an African American population and they are over "Agriculture"..lol I'd think sensitive blacks would complain about it being a reference to slavery or something..
LMAO Are you serious! So the whole agricultural district is black??! The plantation district! LOL Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: what white people actually think that they can have "Dark Brown Skin" natually..how absurd.
CAH-SH*T-HE-RIDES AKA ANGLO-BATTYWASHOLOGIST does smh lol...
Of course!! Castrated and his ilk argue that Rue and her compatriot were dark-brown cockasians! LMAO And surprise, surprise, the Castrated idiot showed up to spew that mess.
My sister who's a fan of the book even told me of an interview with the author Suzanne Collins on the 'racial' identity of the characters. Here are the points Collins made.
One: The story takes place in the distant future after a catastrophic event destroys the major nations of the world including Canada and the U.S. The nation of Panem replaces both countries.
Two: There is no reason why all the blacks and other peoples of color in the region should some how no longer exist!! In fact, if anything the region of Panem (North America) would be MORE diverse than it is now considering the changing demographics of America now with the rising number of people of color. The protagonist herself, Katniss Everdeen as well as many people in her district are described as olive-skinned and dark haired which the author admits suggests ancestry other than white! She even admits to toying with the idea (along with the producers) of using a Latina to play the part of Katniss!!
Lastly, because we are dealing with a society in a post-America future, our modern political definitions of 'race' and ethnicity are obviously useless, especially considering the story was narrated in the perspective of the protagonist Katniss!
So how the f*ck these people could think the story is all lily white free of 'colored folk' is beyond me!
It all goes back to racism being a psychological disorder!!
I mean, considering the illogical and neurotic mindset of these people, even if Collins wrote that Rue skin color was the color of dark chocolate, they would still view her as 'white' or a dark-chocolate colored cockasian! LOL
You know, this makes you wonder what would happen if the producers really did choose a Latina actress to play the part of Katniss! After all Hispanics are the largest minority in America today and perhaps are the ancestors of Katniss' people of district 12! Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Again: "Hispanics" are not a race. In the U.S sociological lexicon "minority" means an identifiably distinct "racial" group. 50% of Hispanics are white.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
So this story is set in the future,they have a problem because black folks are not supposed to be in the future??
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
Aw that's so sad, they were hoping for another 'no-coloreds-allowed-in-Middle-Earth' Lord of the Rings.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Oshun: How have you been white knighting him and talking to "him" as though "his" word has legitimacy and then describe him as someone who never backs up their genetic arguments..
And examples of me taking his genetic argument (or anything he says) seriously? Take your time. Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
The only character that is def. white is Peeta as he is described as such, the others could very well be Latinos, although Latino is not a race, as there are white Latinos as well. District 12 is set in Appalacia so Id expect for most of its citizens to be white.
Also district 11 is not referenced as being all black, just the two tributes from there are black, you just get the impression. Id have to read the rest of the 2 books to see if it elaborates any further.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: LOL, Dude Ive read the book first one. Its clear that Rue, the Girl Character and her male counterpart from district 11 are black. On top of hainving dark brown skin There is a part that talks about her hair, which I can't recall the details but its "Thick/Curly" something like that..LOL
LOL As I said, I never read the book, but from what I heard the description was 'dark brown skin'. If anything, one would expect hardcore fans to complain that the actress Amandla Stenberg who played her was too light in complexion!
Obviously her skin is not even a dark hue of brown! Yet idiots are complaining she isn't white!! It's also a damn outrage the type of hateful sh|t this talented little girl is getting from the race-haters.
quote:I would have thought it would be BLACKS angry and making some dumb fuss because District 11 apperantly is the "Black District" or one with an African American population and they are over "Agriculture"..lol I'd think sensitive blacks would complain about it being a reference to slavery or something..
LMAO Are you serious! So the whole agricultural district is black??! The plantation district! LOL
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Again: "Hispanics" are not a race. In the U.S sociological lexicon "minority" means an identifiably distinct "racial" group. 50% of Hispanics are white.
I understand that. "Hispanic" by definition is anyone who is a native speaker of Spanish. "Latino" is an even broader classification defining speakers of Romance languages in general in America including both Spanish, Portuguese (Brazilian), and even French (Haitians, Guinanans, etc.). Most Hispanics or Latinos in general are of mixed origins anyway. Katniss Everdeen is described as olive-skinned, dark haired, and green eyed. They could have easily found an olive-skinned or tanned 'white' girl or a Latina girl who matched the description. Hell, they could have picked a girl of Middle-Eastern ancestry.
Instead they chose the actress Jennifer Lawrence to play the part. (she's the same actress who starred in 'Winter's Bone' as an impoverished teen and as young Mystique in 'X-men First Class')
And all they did was dye her hair.
She is obviously not 'olive-skinned' or even tanned at all. Yet I have heard NO complaints about it!
Again, I wonder what would happen if they did choose a non-white actress for the part. No doubt race-retards would go insane! LOL
Personally I think Vanessa Hudgens would be a better fit for the role.
Hudgens is of mixed white, Native American, and Asian ancestry. Hopefully the race-fools will compromise with her partial white ancestry. Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: The only character that is def. white is Peeta as he is described as such, the others could very well be Latinos, although Latino is not a race, as there are white Latinos as well. District 12 is set in Appalachia so Id expect for most of its citizens to be white.
Again, it's the distant future of a post-America. The author's point is that the ethnic demographics of that region would not be exactly the same as it is today, though I don't disagree with the blonde haired Peeta. This is what makes the racists' arguments even more stupid. Appalachia may be all white today who knows what kind of population movements took place to make many people in that region have 'olive-skin' and dark hair.
quote:Also district 11 is not referenced as being all black, just the two tributes from there are black, you just get the impression. I'd have to read the rest of the 2 books to see if it elaborates any further.
Of course! LOL I hate to think that blacks would be segregated to an all black district as agricultural workers.
Rue and her compatriot Thresh
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: So this story is set in the future, they have a problem because black folks are not supposed to be in the future??
Exactly!! LMAO I suppose they hoped the catastrophe that destroyed our modern nations somehow wiped out all the black folks!
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Aw that's so sad, they were hoping for another 'no-coloreds-allowed-in-Middle-Earth' Lord of the Rings.
Indeed, but this time the setting is nut a purely fictional world but a possible future of THIS world and even THIS region of North America! The white idiots seem to be upset that blacks still exist there.
When the author described Rue and Thresh as having dark brown skin, maybe they thought they had some hard tans! LOL
quote:Originally posted by ausar: Reminds me of the controversey back in 1997 over a black character in the Final Fantasy game for playstation. Nerds were in a tizzy over a black character.
LOL I take it you are referring to Final Fantasy VII and the character of Barret Wallace.
The Setting of Final Fantasy 7 is a planet called 'Gaia' where a futuristic society of humans and other creatures live. Note the stress on 'humans'. And apparently the Japanese creators are smart enough to know that humankind consists of more than just whites or east Asians. Of course those nerds who were in a tizzy were racist white nerds who hate having their scifi fantasies tainted by 'ne-grows'. Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
quote:Most Hispanics or Latinos in general are of mixed origins anyway
~50% say on the U.S. census that they are white. Hardly "most" in this case.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ 50% of who? I presume you mean Hispanics. I actually question the veracity of that study considering most of the Hispancs I personally see (not only where I live but in other states and even in Canada) are not 'white' or European looking. It makes me wonder what they mean by being 'white'. Do they mean simply having white ancestry?..
Posted by africurious (Member # 19611) on :
^Without confirming whether or not the % quoted by lamin is correct. I know from past census's that % of hispanics who identify as "white" is very substantial. I think it could've been 40% on one that i saw (the 1990 census i believe).
Most hispanics who claim to be white wouldn't be considered white by americans. And, Djehuti, they don't mean "simply having white ancestry", they mean they are white (and there are many old school hispanics that'll wax on about their "pure" castillian or whatever heritage). Many of them identify as "blanco" on their own countries' censuses so why would that change in the US? Now, in reality, most hispanics are not as white as they claim or would like to believe but the census goes by self-identification. And hispanics love whiteness. The reality of hispanics in america wouldn't match the 50% identification on the census at all.
Posted by Bonampak420 (Member # 20156) on :
Whites went into a state of madness when Idris Elba play heimdall the white collective thrust themselves in a foam at the mouth rage. And now the hunger games enrages them because its not white enough even though there are only a few colored hue-mans in the film. It proves thy are nothin more than borgs of the supremacy collective which seeks to dominate every category and in real life they are trying to dominate the big screen for white only. mentally disease caucasoids. very sad lol
Posted by africurious (Member # 19611) on :
djehuti said:
quote:I understand that. "Hispanic" by definition is anyone who is a native speaker of Spanish. "Latino" is an even broader classification defining speakers of Romance languages in general in America including both Spanish, Portuguese (Brazilian), and even French (Haitians, Guinanans, etc.).
Hispanic doesn't go by your native language. It's always been associated with country of origin. All those countries speak spanish, but not all countries with spanish as offical language are considered hispanic; ex: filipinos (when many of them spoke spanish) and equatorial guineans wouldn't be considered hispanic. Hispanic was always associated with spanish speaking central and south america and caribbean, and spain even. See below link from pew hispanic center on the use of the term "hispanic": http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/05/28/whos-hispanic/
According to the pew center, hispanics identified racially as below (prob taken from 2000 census):
quote:54% of all Hispanics in the U.S. self-identify as white, 1.5% self-identify as black, 40% do not identify with any race and 3.8% identify as being two or more races.
"Latino" doesn't refer to speakers of romance languages because it is a term spanish-speaking ppl from central/south/caribbean america use to refer to themselves. Some brazilians may identify as latino too. But the term isn't linked to the romance languages.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Those you don't see are probably blended into the general white population and live white middle class lives.
But note that there are substantial white populations in places like Chile, Argentina, Brazil[in the southern German settlement areas], Paraguay, and Uruguay. When such persns migrate to North America they are entitled to Hispanic/Latino status.
Plus the fact that 14% of Mexico is white plus the white Cubans who fled Castro.
Posted by africurious (Member # 19611) on :
^you can't always tell who's hispanic by looking. That's what ppl need to understand. Hispanic can be of any race and they are often a mixture of 2 or more races.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: mean simply having white ancestry?..
How can there be "white ancestry" dufus when you think Europeans (whites) are 1/3 African and the rest Asian? Where would the "white" ancestry come from in that? LOL!
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ 'White' as in European, nut-muncher.
I still think Vanessa Hudgens would've made a better Katniss, based on physical descriptions from the book.
Getting back to topic...
quote:Originally posted by Bonampak420: Whites went into a state of madness when Idris Elba play heimdall the white collective thrust themselves in a foam at the mouth rage. And now the hunger games enrages them because its not white enough even though there are only a few colored hue-mans in the film. It proves thy are nothin more than borgs of the supremacy collective which seeks to dominate every category and in real life they are trying to dominate the big screen for white only. mentally disease caucasoids. very sad lol
LOL These people are mentally diseased indeed.
For example look at a couple of the racist tweets made about Rue in the movie.
"Sense when has Rue been a nigger."
And then this: "call me racist but when i found out rue was black her death wasn't as sad #ihatemyself."
No. More like you hate black people!
Can you imagine how sick that is. You feel sad for a character in a book but as soon as that character is portrayed by a black person, sadness subsides! In other words, psychologically the character is dehumanized by being black!
There is also the point of the character Cinna who is portrayed by Lenny Kravitz.
According to the book: "Cinna is very different from the other inhabitants of the Capitol; he does not use surgery to alter his features, wears simple black clothes, and leaves his hair its natural dark brown color, close cropped. His only evidenced feature is a slight touch of gold eyeliner that brings out the gold flecks in his eyes."
There is no other description beyond that making his ethnicity ambiguous to be played by anyone.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ 'White' as in European, nut-muncher.
LOL! But how the fuk can there be "European" ancestry dickweed?! You constantly bray that there is no such thing, only human entities that are a mix: 1/3 African and rest Asian. So what percentage is European there? You fuking suck at math! LOL
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Djehuti, slightly off topic but an interesting take on being "Hispanic"
Who cares. Hunger Games is a ripp-off of Battle Royale. Asians did it first!!!!!!
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeingaqueerloser: How can there be "white ancestry" dufus when you think Europeans (whites) are 1/3 African and the rest Asian? Where would the "white" ancestry come from in that? LOL!
By 'white ancestry' one would mean the indigenous European ancestry, stupid! Of course Europeans are a subset of Asians, but they still exist the same way Indians are a subset of Asians.
Also, the issue isn't genetic lineage so much as phenotype or looks of the characters, assplayer. So please take your lips off my scrotum. Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: By 'white ancestry' one would mean the indigenous European ancestry, stupid!
WwwAhaHahhah
Damn you fuking suck at math for an Asian ( stereotype) ! If its 1/3 African and the rest Asian, where the fuk is the "indigenous" European ancestry to come from? Jesus H Christ!!! HAHAHAHHA
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Saw it It's Okaay!! but why are the districts people dressed like fuking Mormons Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
The good at math sterotype does not extend to all Asians. Only Koreans, Japanese or Chinese Asians. Most of these Asian groups tend to discriminate against Cambodians,Laotians,Hmongs,Vietnamese or Philipinos.
I am sorry if I am overstepping my ground here. Just thought I would interject thise statement.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
so DJ is a dumb asian. . . eh Ausar
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
Did I state that? I just stated a common sterotype which is common amongst asians. From my observation it appears there is a kind of hierarchy in America instructed upon other Asian groups by Asians.
Just as in Japan Koreans are the marginal group discriminated against.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
LOL!!! Ausar is right, the stereotype doesn't really extend south to Filipinos, and we can all see why from Dj's math. lol
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeingdumb&queer: WwwAhaHahhah
Damn you fuking suck at math for an Asian ( stereotype) ! If its 1/3 African and the rest Asian, where the fuk is the "indigenous" European ancestry to come from? Jesus H Christ!!! HAHAHAHHA
Do you not understand that Europeans ARE Asian, as Europe is merely a subcontinent of Asia, dumb futhafucka! Indigenous European ancestry is that associated with the first populations to settle Europe.
Your argument is as dumb as saying there's no such thing as indigenous Indian ancestry for the peoples of India carry 100% Asian ancestry!
Even indigenous Americans have ancestry from Asia, does that mean there is no such thing as indigenous Americans??! LMAO
Stop attempting to outsmart me, cuz it obviously backfired! You only made yourself look like a fool!
And for the last time, the issue isn't about ancestry or lineage per say than phenotype or LOOKS in this movie!
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by ausar: The good at math stereotype does not extend to all Asians. Only Koreans, Japanese or Chinese Asians. Most of these Asian groups tend to discriminate against Cambodians, Laotians, Hmongs, Vietnamese or Philipinos.
I am sorry if I am overstepping my ground here. Just thought I would interject this statement.
Well last I checked, the stereotype applied to Asians in general. Americans themselves tend not to discriminate between the various groups which are lumped together (regardless of northeast or southeast Asia), though academics is stressed in virtually all Asian cultures. My parents for example, graduated from the top college in the Philippines. You are right that Asian groups themselves discriminate and yes northeast Asians tend to look down on southeast Asians but then they also look down on each other.
I can't speak for all Asians, but I will say my math skills are just fine. I even got an A in Calculus II! And Ausar, I know as a college student you know just how difficult that course is.
Anguishedofbeingdumb is just upset over the findings of his (European) people being 1/3 African and my bringing it up often so he attempts to 'get back' at me though failed miserably. LOL Yes European lineages are 1/3 African from neolithic immigrants, leaving the rest 2/3 Asian, but Europeans ARE Asian no more than Indians are Asian. Therefore his stupid semantics fail! LMAO
His boyfriend xyz is of course his blind supporter and fails to see how his beloved screwed up in basic logic. Oh well.
quote: Who cares. Hunger Games is a ripp-off of Battle Royale. Asians did it first!!!!!!
Actually the author Suzanne Collins took the idea of the story from the Greek legend of Theseus and the offering of Greek youths as sacrifice to Crete. The bloodsport thing is taken from reality TV competitions like 'Amazing Race' and 'Survivor'.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Saw it It's Okaay!! but why are the districts people dressed like fuking Mormons
Because the people of the districts are a peasant or serf class used to provide for the elite people of the capital.
Mormons and Amish people believe in dressing 'plainly' or simply as part of their faith. The people of the districts are made to dress plainly due to their totalitarian government.
Notice how the people of the Capital are dressed in more flashy or futuristic attire. I assume to dress this way and not be a citizen of the capital is a no-no.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Europeans ARE Asian...Your argument is as dumb as saying there's no such thing as indigenous Indian ancestry for Indians carry 100% Asian ancestry!Europeans ARE Asian no more than Indians are Asian.
WWWWAHAHAHAHAHA
Jesus Christ, look at what I got your dumbass arguing now: Europeans are Asians LOL!!!
So what ever happened to the 1/3 African? If they are 1/3 African how can you say Euro ARE Asian now??? You need rasol and mind to help your dumbass outta this one. Euro= 1/3 African + 2/3 Asian = Asian like Indians. LOL This is where years of face-saving BS will get you. HAHAHHAHAHAHA
quote:Well last I checked, the stereotype applied to Asians in general.
LOLOLOL
Nice try dumbass, Philippines is not known for math wizards but for under-aged sex, a fuked up former first lady with a billion shoes and coups. LOL!
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ The 1/3 African (E) lineages are obviously not indigenous to Europe but derived from Africa during the Neolithic. The other 2/3 lineages that are Asian ARE the indigenous European lineages.
I have no need to save face, but you obviously cannot save your dumbass! LOL
Yes Europeans are Asian, because Europe is a SUBCONTINENT of Asia the same way India is a subcontinent of Asia. In other words YOUR people are not some special unique group separate from other Asians as you have traditionally believed. You're still Asian but only with some African admixture as well, my buggered chap!
Again, the topic isn't about actual lineage so much as phenotype or 'looks' of characters in a movie. Whether the characters should look 'white' or 'black' or what have you.
I will no longer indulge your trolling so if you want to argue about your own European genetic lineages do so elsewhere and stop polluting my thread.
Again, get your lips off my nuts, please.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
Your picture spam has nothing whatsoever to do with your rip off from a 1991 Bowcock study sampling a Chinese. Quote Bowcock et al. saying "The other 2/3 lineages (which would be from the Chinese sample) that are Asian ARE the indigenous European lineages."
I dare you MF! LOL
Therefore "having white ancestry" is really having "Asian ancestry" since Europeans are Asian. But according to you someone can not "look" white but simply have white ancestry which would mean they are Asian anyway, which would mean "looking" white is pointless since all those who LOOK white are Asian anyway. confused?????
WWWAHAHAHAHAH
quote:The 1/3 African (E) lineages
Quote Bowcock (1991) or any fuking study that says Europeans are made up of 1/3 "E" lineages. Again, I dare you MF! LOLLOL
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Moron, the 2/3 Asian, 1/3 African lineage study does not only come from Bowcock but from Sforza, Keita, and others.
^ Just look at how much blue (E) is shown in Europe, it's even present in northern Europe though in minimal amounts.
hg R and I originated in central Asia (hence Asian) and was brought into Europe by its first settlers (hence indigenous European).
I know you are still stuck on Bowcock. I don't blame you for having a thing for cocks in general bowed or not. LOL
I'm through with you. Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Moron, the 2/3 Asian, 1/3 African lineage study does not only come from Bowcock but from Sforza, Keita, and others.
^ Just look at how much blue (E) is shown in Europe, it's even present in northern Europe though in minimal amounts.
hg R and I originated in central Asia (hence Asian) and was brought into Europe by its first settlers (hence indigenous European).
I know you are still stuck on Bowcock. I don't blame you for having a thing for cocks in general bowed or not. LOL
I'm through with you.
hahahaha
Check out this desperate MF and his amazing eye balling claims ("Just look at how much blue (E) is shown" hahahhahahah) and picture spams! LOL
Quote a fuking study Mary, we are all waiting. Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Moron, the 2/3 Asian, 1/3 African lineage study does not only come from Bowcock but from Sforza, Keita, and others.
^ Just look at how much blue (E) is shown in Europe, it's even present in northern Europe though in minimal amounts.
hg R and I originated in central Asia (hence Asian) and was brought into Europe by its first settlers (hence indigenous European).
I know you are still stuck on Bowcock. I don't blame you for having a thing for cocks in general bowed or not. LOL
I'm through with you.
hahahaha
Check out this desperate MF and his amazing eye balling claims ("Just look at how much blue (E) is shown" hahahhahahah) and picture spams! LOL
Quote a fuking study Mary, we are all waiting.
In fact that map showing E* is from a study.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
Follow the threads or STFU.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
You claimed it was a picture spam, and demanded for a study to be backed up.
The source is right there.
Another fact is, those are all down streams not the original parent Hg. None of them arose in Europe.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
Jesus Christ man, quote the 1991 Bowcock study (the source for Mary's fractions), or any freaking study, that says Europeans are made of 2/3 R and I (which would come from their Chinese sample) and 1/3 E which would come from their pygmy sample, yes fuking pygmies. lol
Again, follow the thread or STFU.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Dude Koreans are good at math, They did a documentary on Education in Korea, over there they passed laws to stop people from studying too much, seriously.
quote:Originally posted by ausar: The good at math sterotype does not extend to all Asians. Only Koreans, Japanese or Chinese Asians. Most of these Asian groups tend to discriminate against Cambodians,Laotians,Hmongs,Vietnamese or Philipinos.
I am sorry if I am overstepping my ground here. Just thought I would interject thise statement.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Also alot of the discrimination among Asians harks back to the Cinocentric model.
quote:Originally posted by ausar: The good at math sterotype does not extend to all Asians. Only Koreans, Japanese or Chinese Asians. Most of these Asian groups tend to discriminate against Cambodians,Laotians,Hmongs,Vietnamese or Philipinos.
I am sorry if I am overstepping my ground here. Just thought I would interject thise statement.
School of Chemical Sciences, University of Illinois.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
"Europeans are made of 2/3 hg R and I and 1/3 hg E"
Is there any study out there that says this? Even one?
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
Jari, Koreans were listed in my post of Asians that excel in mathematics. Koreans do very well in America and their own country but lag behind in Japan were historical discrimination has existed. Koreans are amongst the underclasses in Japan. Some Koreans were taken over to Japan during the wars fought between Japan and Korea.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeingracist: hahahaha
Check out this desperate MF and his amazing eye balling claims ("Just look at how much blue (E) is shown" hahahhahahah) and picture spams! LOL
Quote a fuking study Mary, we are all waiting.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: In fact that map showing E* is from a study.
Correct. The map comes from here and are based on real studies. Obviously the only desperate mf (or in this case ff) here is the anguished idiot! This thread is not even about European ancestry but about a movie! But obviously this anguished kid still sore from the beat-down in other threads done to him by Explorer and Rasol over European heritage and is desperate enough to hijack this thread!
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeingstupid: Jesus Christ man, quote the 1991 Bowcock study (the source for Mary's fractions), or any freaking study, that says Europeans are made of 2/3 R and I (which would come from their Chinese sample) and 1/3 E which would come from their pygmy sample, yes fuking pygmies. lol
Again, follow the thread or STFU.
Fathafucka, who said anything about Bowcock other than YOUR dumbass! Keep Bowcock or any cock out your mouth boy! My quote comes from Sfrorza who bases it in his studies here which were confirmed by many others!
Even Keita agrees that about about a third of Europeans carry African lineages!
Here are several studies which support Sforza's assertion.
The phylogeography of Y chromosome binary haplotypes and the origins of modern human populations Although molecular genetic evidence continues to accumulate that is consistent with a recent common African ancestry of modern humans, its ability to illuminate regional histories remains incomplete. A set of unique event polymorphisms associated with the non-recombining portion of the Y-chromosome (NRY) addresses this issue by providing evidence concerning successful migrations originating from Africa, which can be interpreted as subsequent colonizations, differentiations and migrations overlaid upon previous population ranges. A total of 205 markers identified by denaturing high performance liquid chromatography (DHPLC), together with 13 taken from the literature, were used to construct a parsimonious genealogy. Ancestral allelic states were deduced from orthologous great ape sequences. A total of 131 unique haplotypes were defined which trace the microevolutionary trajectory of global modern human genetic diversification. The genealogy provides a detailed phylogeographic portrait of contemporary global population structure that is emblematic of human origins, divergence and population history that is consistent with climatic, paleoanthropological and other genetic knowledge.
I'd be happy to email you the full pdfs which include frequencies in the various European ethnic groups. They all have the same conclusions-- E frequencies reach approximately 33% which as my math is right-- ONE-THIRD.
Of course you are not interested in logical facts but emotional b|tching because you and your Euro-kin have BLACK AFRO ancestry!!
Again, I know how much that pains you, but I frankly don't give a f*ck.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
Do this or STFU.
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Jesus Christ man, quote the 1991 Bowcock study (the source for Mary's fractions), or any freaking study, that says Europeans are made of 2/3 R and I (which would come from their Chinese sample) and 1/3 E which would come from their pygmy sample, yes fuking pygmies. lol
quote: My quote comes from Sfrorza who bases it in his studies here
"The overall contributions from Asia and Africa were estimated to be around two-thirds and one-third, respectively."
^ quote where he got the samples for these fractions. I dare you, you duck egg eating MF. LOL!
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ The usual crap from this pseudo-intellectual.
Substituting African to ''Black'' or ''Black Afro''. lol.
Simpleton, you do realise Africa is a huge continent with multiple races settled there since early times...
The Africans who carried E1b1b and its subclades in Europe, were Caucasoid.
A: Capoid, B: Negroid, C: Caucasoid
C is what wandered into Europe. They looked like the Berbers.
Negroids were stuck in West Africa until the slave trade.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:They all have the same conclusions-- E frequencies reach approximately 33% which as my math is right-- ONE-THIRD.
E frequencies only run at 20 - 30% in Southern Europe, and around 10% in Central Europe.
Northern European they are 0%, excluding Wales 2% and Finland 1%.
The irony is that West Africa historically is know as the west Sudanic belt.
Augustin F.C. Holl et al.
Museum of Anthropology, The University of Michigan, 2009.
Coping with uncertainty: Neolithic life in the Dhar Tichitt-Walata, Mauritania, (ca. 4000–2300 BP)
Abstract
The sandstone escarpment of the Dhar Tichitt in South-Central Mauritania was inhabited by Neolithic agropastoral communities for approximately one and half millennium during the Late Holocene, from ca. 4000 to 2300 BP. The absence of prior evidence of human settlement points to the influx of mobile herders moving away from the “drying” Sahara towards more humid lower latitudes. These herders took advantage of the peculiarities of the local geology and environment and succeeded in domesticating bulrush millet – Pennisetum sp. The emerging agropastoral subsistence complex had conflicting and/or complementary requirements depending on circumstances. In the long run, the social adjustment to the new subsistence complex, shifting site location strategies, nested settlement patterns and the rise of more encompassing polities appear to have been used to cope with climatic hazards in this relatively circumscribed area. An intense arid spell in the middle of the first millennium BC triggered the collapse of the whole Neolithic agropastoral system and the abandonment of the areas. These regions, resettled by sparse oasis-dwellers populations and iron-using communities starting from the first half of the first millennium AD, became part of the famous Ghana “empire”, the earliest state in West African history.
The footsteps of history. Walata and the empire of Ghana.
The Empire of Ghana is the earliest political organisation known to us south of the Sahara. Its origins in the eighth century are attributed to a Soninke tribe that emerged from Walata at the beginning of our era.
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeingdumb: "The overall contributions from Asia and Africa were estimated to be around two-thirds and one-third, respectively."
^ quote where he got the samples for these fractions. I dare you, you duck egg eating MF. LOL!
It's in the study, you anguished turd. I dare YOU to go and read it as well as the other studies I cited! Now get off my nuts, for a change and go find those of your clients in the men's bathroom stalls.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidiot: E frequencies only run at 20 - 30% in Southern Europe, and around 10% in Central Europe.
Northern European they are 0%, excluding Wales 2% and Finland 1%.
Correct! Over 20% in southern Europe + 10% in central Europe + 3% in northern Europe. This all equals to over 33% as in one-third!
However your silly racialized terms of "negroid", "capoid", and "caca-soid" etc. are non-existent and futile. The E lineage originated among indigenous Africans period. And color wise these indigenous Africans are 'black'. The fair-skinned North African in your pictures spam is obviously of foreign-mixed descent and does NOT represent the autochthonous or aboriginal populations of the area.
We all know how the carriers of E-M78 looked like as per the skeletal remains in Lake Nubia! LOL You and your ancestors have BLACK ancestry so get over it!
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
As you can see the negrophobic idiots have been soundly debunk, so we can move on back to the topic which is about racism exposed by the movie 'Hunger Games'.
Racism is a mental disorder that dumbs the senses. Just as these idiot trolls above have clearly demonstrated, a racist twit will see what he or she wants to see even though the evidence is right in front of them. Characters in the story are clearly described as having satin brown skin, yet in twisted minds this still means 'white'. Similarly one could read studies on populations and ancestry and still scream caca-soid. Or ask dumb questions like where do the samples come from. LOL
The same mentality is at play here people. Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:^ quote where he got the samples for these fractions. I dare you, you duck egg eating MF. LOL!
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: It's in the study
LOL! Jesus Mary you are so predictable.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Correct! Over 20% in southern Europe + 10% in central Europe + 3% in northern Europe. This all equals to over 33% as in one-third!
However your silly racialized terms of "negroid", "capoid", and "caca-soid" etc. are non-existent and futile. The E lineage originated among indigenous Africans period. And color wise these indigenous Africans are 'black'. The fair-skinned North African in your pictures spam is obviously of foreign-mixed descent and does NOT represent the autochthonous or aboriginal populations of the area.
We all know how the carriers of E-M78 looked like as per the skeletal remains in Lake Nubia! LOL You and your ancestors have BLACK ancestry so get over it! [/QB]
What got taken into Europe was E1b1b1b, the ''"Berber marker'' which originated in Maghreb (north-western africa) and E1b1b1a. Both are not found in Negroids (unless you consider recent admixture). These are North African Caucasoid markers, not Sub-Saharan African...
Indigenous North Africans are Caucasoid, there is nothing remotely 'black' about them.
Another problem with your theory:
If Southern Europeans are 30% ''black afro'' as you claim why do they look fully Caucasoid?
The people of southern europe where E is the highest aren't nappy haired with wide noses... Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: As you can see the negrophobic idiots have been soundly debunk, so we can move on back to the topic which is about racism exposed by the movie 'Hunger Games'.
Racism is a mental disorder that dumbs the senses. Just as these idiot trolls above have clearly demonstrated, a racist twit will see what he or she wants to see even though the evidence is right in front of them. Characters in the story are clearly described as having satin brown skin, yet in twisted minds this still means 'white'. Similarly one could read studies on populations and ancestry and still scream caca-soid. Or ask dumb questions like where do the samples come from. LOL
The same mentality is at play here people.
Its got nothing to do with ''racism'' (whatever that is, a word which is different to virtually everyone). It's the simple fact Negroid traits are not prefered in books, computer games or films. I mean for example do you think, Lara Croft would have been so successful if she was a Negroid with nappy hair? No. She was only so popular, especially among males because she was an attractive 'white' girl with a long pony tail. Caucasoid traits are just universally prefered and admired. Look at most Asian countries and their Manga, all their admired characters are Caucasoid looking with blonde or red hair.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Correct! Over 20% in southern Europe + 10% in central Europe + 3% in northern Europe. This all equals to over 33% as in one-third!
This pretend Filipino piles on one imbecilic argument on top of another. He ends up arguing now that the "over all contributions" from Africa is 33% from hgE nothing else! LOLOLOL
So much for others:
quote:Originally posted by rasol: the Benin haplotype accounts for HbS associated chromosomes in Sicily, Northern Greece, Southern Turkey, and South West Saudi Arabia, indicating that these genes had their origin in West Africa. - Graham R. Serjeant, MD, FRCP
HAHAHAHAHHAHA
So instead of quoting Sforza or anyone reputable scholar saying Europeans are 33% E the rest Asian, you use your sock puppet to post a European Union website. LOL!
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ LMAOH @ the anguished buffoon above! He now resorts attributing things I never said (lying) to compensate for his complete and utter failure! Where the hell did I ever say that the only genetic contribution Africans had on Europeans was Y-chromosome only and nothing else??! In fact, I myself have posted that very animation showing Benin HBS in Europe multiple times, as well as studies showing African HLA genes in Africa!! LOL
Now that your pathetic ass lost your argument that Europeans aren't one-third African (which ironically pyramidiot helped prove) you now resort to the lie that I said Africans only contributed E y-chromosomes to Europe! Sorry but nobody is stupid enough to buy your sh|t, british batty boy.
..I am officially finished with you. Moving on back to the topic..
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
Quote one scholar Mary, one scholar, that says the overall contributions of African hg in Europeans is 33% E. Just one.
quote: Where the hell did I ever say that the only genetic contribution Africans had on Europeans was Y-chromosome only and nothing else??!
Dufus, you claimed that the overall *African* contributions are 33% E, where the fuk is the rest of African contributions going to come from now if its 33% E African and the rest Asian????
This is why you have to run away now. But you will come back years later to argue the same BS only to run away when pressed. HAHAHAHHALOL
quote:In fact, I myself have posted that very animation showing Benin HBS in Europe multiple times,
Oh yes, you have contradicted yourself several times, this is because you are desperately trying to argue one BS claim which only ends up fuking up everything else you argue. LOL!
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidiot: Its got nothing to do with ''racism'' (whatever that is, a word which is different to virtually everyone). It's the simple fact Negroid traits are not prefered in books, computer games or films. I mean for example do you think, Lara Croft would have been so successful if she was a Negroid with nappy hair? No. She was only so popular, especially among males because she was an attractive 'white' girl with a long pony tail. Caucasoid traits are just universally prefered and admired. Look at most Asian countries and their Manga, all their admired characters are Caucasoid looking with blonde or red hair.
LOL @ "racism whatever that means". Racism is a real and valid definition. It means the belief that one race or group of people is superior to others. YOU are obviously a racist as you not only believe in biological race which science has debunked decades ago, but espouse the equally debunked superiority of the caca-soid race which you include various peoples outside of Europe such as Africans like Egyptians!
As I've always said, racism is more than a belief but rather a mental disorder that dumbs the senses. You claim it is a matter of preference, but truth be told the vast majority of literature written in the West including America are stories about white characters. This in and of itself is not the problem since whites predominate in these regions. However, the reality is people of color predominate in the WORLD in general. If a writer wants to create a fantasy world that is lily white with no black or Asian or any people of color that's fine and his or her choice. But the author of the book created a story, though fictional as it is, was realistic in that it included people of color! 'The Hunger Games' took place in a future North America. There is no reason, at least non was given in the story, for the demographic population of the setting to have no blacks. Two important characters, Rue and Thresh are specifically described as 'black' although the exact word was not used. Black people are actually dark brown in color and not literally 'black'. The characters were translated into film and apparently racist retards despite reading the book, missed the descriptions! Again it's because racism is a mental disorder and no matter if the author said that Rue had color of ebony and hair of wool you idiots would continue to imagine her as a blonde white girl anyway because Katniss says she reminds her of her sister, you think that means she has to be the same 'race' as her sister!
Newsflash, whites are not the center of the world! It's not just a matter of preference but of realism. The manga argument is also debunked because manga uses different features and colors anyway to express variety since asians do have the same features, though individuals are different, it is harder to express individual traits than it is simply to give the character pink or blue hair and not necessarily blonde or red which again don't necessarily translate as "caucasian", dumbass!!
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
LOL, do you "Dudes" read all the Harlequin novels too? Otherwise, Albinos are racists. That's a given, so what's the purpose of the thread other then to complain about the fact that skunks stink and snakes bite?
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
Southern-Europeans are 30% E1b1b1a, this is the subclade of Haplogroup E which predominates in Southern Europe, but there are a few others on a much smaller percent.
Djehuti's claim Europeans are 30% E is wrong, its only Southern Europeans.
The average Northern European is 0 - 1% E.
If E = ''Black'' as Djehuti claims, then according to him Southern Europeans are 1/3 Black. Yet as everyone knows there is nothing remotely Negroid in the phenotype of Southern Europeans. No nappy hair or wide noses...
The Neolithic E carriers settlers into Europe were just North African Caucasoids, there was nothing 'black' about them. In phenotype they would have looked basically identical to the aboriginal Europeans.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidiot: Its got nothing to do with ''racism'' (whatever that is, a word which is different to virtually everyone). It's the simple fact Negroid traits are not prefered in books, computer games or films. I mean for example do you think, Lara Croft would have been so successful if she was a Negroid with nappy hair? No. She was only so popular, especially among males because she was an attractive 'white' girl with a long pony tail. Caucasoid traits are just universally prefered and admired. Look at most Asian countries and their Manga, all their admired characters are Caucasoid looking with blonde or red hair.
LOL @ "racism whatever that means". Racism is a real and valid definition. It means the belief that one race or group of people is superior to others. YOU are obviously a racist as you not only believe in biological race which science has debunked decades ago, but espouse the equally debunked superiority of the caca-soid race which you include various peoples outside of Europe such as Africans like Egyptians!
As I've always said, racism is more than a belief but rather a mental disorder that dumbs the senses. You claim it is a matter of preference, but truth be told the vast majority of literature written in the West including America are stories about white characters. This in and of itself is not the problem since whites predominate in these regions. However, the reality is people of color predominate in the WORLD in general. If a writer wants to create a fantasy world that is lily white with no black or Asian or any people of color that's fine and his or her choice. But the author of the book created a story, though fictional as it is, was realistic in that it included people of color! 'The Hunger Games' took place in a future North America. There is no reason, at least non was given in the story, for the demographic population of the setting to have no blacks. Two important characters, Rue and Thresh are specifically described as 'black' although the exact word was not used. Black people are actually dark brown in color and not literally 'black'. The characters were translated into film and apparently racist retards despite reading the book, missed the descriptions! Again it's because racism is a mental disorder and no matter if the author said that Rue had color of ebony and hair of wool you idiots would continue to imagine her as a blonde white girl anyway because Katniss says she reminds her of her sister, you think that means she has to be the same 'race' as her sister!
Newsflash, whites are not the center of the world! It's not just a matter of preference but of realism. The manga argument is also debunked because manga uses different features and colors anyway to express variety since asians do have the same features, though individuals are different, it is harder to express individual traits than it is simply to give the character pink or blue hair and not necessarily blonde or red which again don't necessarily translate as "caucasian", dumbass!!
Its got nothing to do with ''racism'', but the reality of physical attractivness. Everyone knows Caucasoid females are the most attractive. This is why men in most Asian countries spend their time drooling over cartoon created females with clear Caucasoid traits, specifically the long haired milky white Nordic/Nordid blondes:
Of course it gets far more extreme than this, East Asians went as far as inventing cartoon hardcore pornography ('hentai'), involving exactly the same blonde or red haired Nordid type females.
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Caucasoids have the most diversity in skin complexion, from milky white, pinkish white, olive or 'brunette white' to darker brown shades.
Most Southern Europeans are naturally olive in complexion, North African Berbers are usually darker brown, as are most remnant Caucasoids across the middle-east and India, but as you travel further north in Europe the Caucasoid populations are depigmentated and so more milky white.
You will only find in Europe the diversity of pale-white to olive or darker brown. No other race is depigmentated as some Caucasoid Europeans of the north are. This is why the afronuts out of self-hate such as Zaharan, try to include albinos in pigmentation studies of africa to desperately claim diversity...
There ARE no Caucassiterides, boy. Now skidaddle will you?!
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
^ Yet another idiot posting. At the very least, you're consistent.
What a silly thread consisting of effeminate babbling, countered by Albino delusional ramblings.
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Southern-Europeans are 30% E1b1b1a, this is the subclade of Haplogroup E which predominates in Southern Europe, but there are a few others on a much smaller percent.
Djehuti's claim Europeans are 30% E is wrong, its only Southern Europeans.
The average Northern European is 0 - 1% E.
If E = ''Black'' as Djehuti claims, then according to him Southern Europeans are 1/3 Black. Yet as everyone knows there is nothing remotely Negroid in the phenotype of Southern Europeans. No nappy hair or wide noses...
The Neolithic E carriers settlers into Europe were just North African Caucasoids, there was nothing 'black' about them. In phenotype they would have looked basically identical to the aboriginal Europeans.
Southern Europeans are not 30% African you are dead right on that for once and many north Africans aren't either. As anyone can see.
You would actually have to be 5% Neanderthal and ultimately the rest AFrican since everybody is at the root African. Some just - as Mike would say - mutated a little in a colorless direction.
BTW - and 5% is probably no small thing since I found out I'm 6% east Asian due to some relatively recent Native American ancestry. Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ The usual crap from this pseudo-intellectual.
Substituting African to ''Black'' or ''Black Afro''. lol.
Simpleton, you do realise Africa is a huge continent with multiple races settled there since early times...
The Africans who carried E1b1b and its subclades in Europe, were Caucasoid.
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Delusional true, but its time to come out of the slumber. The third one is probably a descendant of some unfortunate European woman brought into Africa whose descendants got mixed with a Negro or two - OBVIOUSLY. Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
This and many other recent threads on ES are excellent examples of what Farrakhan is discussing on the video below; The Ashkenazi Agenda to intentionally dumb down the world.
Why? Because whereas ignorant Negroe males should be studying the military tactics of the VietCong or Fidel Castro (both defeated US military), they are instead spending their time and energies reading female romance novels, watching Tyler Perry Simplevision, listening to dumbed down Negroes spouting dumbed down nursery rhymes relabeled as RAP, or posting gay photos of psychologically damaged weak kneed homos and their clothing/shoes/etc. the movie, "Think like a man" would have been better served targeting black males, who seem to presently think more like giggling, shopaholic women then what the state of black America truly requires, black male warriors in training.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Correct! Over 20% in southern Europe + 10% in central Europe + 3% in northern Europe. This all equals to over 33% as in one-third!
However your silly racialized terms of "negroid", "capoid", and "caca-soid" etc. are non-existent and futile. The E lineage originated among indigenous Africans period. And color wise these indigenous Africans are 'black'. The fair-skinned North African in your pictures spam is obviously of foreign-mixed descent and does NOT represent the autochthonous or aboriginal populations of the area.
We all know how the carriers of E-M78 looked like as per the skeletal remains in Lake Nubia! LOL You and your ancestors have BLACK ancestry so get over it!
What got taken into Europe was E1b1b1b, the ''"Berber marker'' which originated in Maghreb (north-western africa) and E1b1b1a. Both are not found in Negroids (unless you consider recent admixture). These are North African Caucasoid markers, not Sub-Saharan African...
Indigenous North Africans are Caucasoid, there is nothing remotely 'black' about them.
Another problem with your theory:
If Southern Europeans are 30% ''black afro'' as you claim why do they look fully Caucasoid?
The people of southern europe where E is the highest aren't nappy haired with wide noses... [/QB]
E1b1b1a is E-M78. Berbers carry E-M81. South Europans carry E-V13 dumbass, which is a downstream and genetic drifted.
Populations like the Masalit and Fur carry the paragroup of this marker, EM78. Berbers reside in Northwest Africa not in Northeast Africa and so is their genetic marker E-M81. That's the differences dumb Muktaba.
It's N* gger blood. As desperate as you are to disprove otherwise.
E-M78
E-M81
BJMG 11/2 (2008) 25-30 10.2478/v10034-008-0030-0
ALU INSERTION POLYMORPHISMS IN POPULATIONS OF THE SOUTH CAUCASUS
Litvinov S* et al.
Although it was not possible to determine a contribution of Neolithic farmers to the Caucasian gene pool, the principal component analysis showed clear differences between these populations and those of Europe, Siberia and Asia. No evidence of correlation between genetic and linguistic data in our populations was disclosed.
Armenians are a separate ethnic group, which originated from Neolithic tribes of the Armenian Uplands. In the 12th- 11th centuries BC...
However, we cannot exclude a Neolithic contribution to the contemporary gene pool. The possible reason for the absence of the frequency distribution gradient can be genetic drift, reinforced by isolation that could conceal the influence of Neolithic farmers on the Caucasus populations [1,21].
While an Alu insertion marker does not have enough power of resolution to assess the contribution of the influence of Neolithic farmers on the Caucasian gene pool, it clearly separates both South and North Caucasus populations (except Karanogays) from Siberian and Asian populations.
C.L. Brace (2005): "If the late Pleistocene Natufian sample from Israel is the source from which that Neolithic spread was derived, there was clearly a sub-Saharan African element present of almost equal importance as the Late Prehistoric Eurasian element."
Larry Angel (1972): "one can identify Negroid traits of nose and prognathism appearing in Natufian latest hunters.(McCown, 1939) and in Anatolian and Macedonian first farmers, probably from Nubia via the predecesors of the Badarians and Tasians...
The Emergence of the Natufian
The emergence of the Natufian is explained by Bar-Yosef (1998) as follows: “On the one hand, climatic improvements around 13,000BP provided a wealth of food resources. On the other hand, contemporaneous population growth in both the steppic and desertic regions made any abrupt, short-term climatic fluctuation a motivation for human groups to achieve control over resources” (p.167). He sees a semi-sedentary lifestyle resulting from environmental change which led to a “shift of resource scheduling” (p.167).
Fellner (1995) states that “the transition from the Geometric Kebaran to the Early Natufian culture can be described as the most important cultural change within the Epipalaeolithic of Palestine, as the lifestyle of the Natufian groups differed very substantially from that practiced by their Geometric Kebaran ancestors” (p.122) The Natufian is usually seen as a key stage in Near Eastern Prehistory as it represents many features usually associated with the Neolithic. - courtesy of neareast historians, uk; epipaleolithic background.
The Mushabian is founded in southern Jordan, the Negev, and Sinai. It is usually divided into an earlier phase (c.14,500-12,800bp) and a later phase which overlaps with the Early Natufian (12,800-11,000bp).
The Classic Mushabian is characterized by a dominance of arched-back bladelets, La Mouillah points, and scalene triangles, all of which were truncated at one end using the microburin technique. Helwan lunates are also featured.
Evidence for economic activities are few and far between – there are very few botanical or faunal remains, but some rare pounding tools suggest that plant exploitation was a feature of the economy. Bar-Yosef and Meadow (1999) hypothesize that the subsistence strategies employed in the Mushabian were much the same as those of the steppic Geometric Kebaran and Hamran groups.
The Mushabian was traditionally thought to derive from North Africa via the Nile Delta and the Sinai: “The Mushabian sites in Sinai are interpreted as the remains of mobile groups budded off from the Nile region who were attracted to the expanding, lusher steppic environment” (Bar-Yosef and Meadow 1999, p.55). This view was based on the early occurrence of the microburin technique in industries like the Sisilian. “However, the recent discovery of even earlier use of the microburin technique in the Azraq Basin fundamentally weakens the argument, and may even indicate diffusion of this technique in the other direction” (Fellner 1995, p.26). Fellner believes that the Mushabian is most likely to derive from the Nizzanian of the Negev. - courtesy of neareast historians, uk; epipaleolithic background.
"From the Mesolithic to the early Neolithic period different lines of evidence support an out-of-Africa Mesolithic migration to the Levant by northeastern African groups that had biological affinities with sub-Saharan populations. From a genetic point of view, several recent genetic studies have shown that sub-Sabaran genetic lineages (affiliated with the Y-chromosome PN2 clade; Underhill et al. 2001) have spread through Egypt into the Near East, the Mediterranean area, and, for some lineages, as far north as Turkey (E3b-M35 Y lineage; Cinniogclu et al. 2004; Luis et al. 2004), probably during several dispersal episodes since the Mesolithic (Cinniogelu et al. 2004; King et al. 2008; Lucotte and Mercier 2003; Luis et al. 2004; Quintana-Murci et al. 1999; Semino et al. 2004; Underhill et al. 2001). This finding is in agreement with morphological data that suggest that populations with sub-Saharan morphological elements were present in northeastern Africa, from the Paleolithic to at least the early Holocene, and diffused northward to the Levant and Anatolia beginning in the Mesolithic.
Indeed, the rare and incomplete Paleolithic to early Neolithic skeletal specimens found in Egypt - such as the 33,000-year-old Nazlet Khater specimen (Pinhasi and Semai 2000), the Wadi Kubbaniya skeleton from the late Paleolithic site in the upper Nile valley (Wendorf et al. 1986), the Qarunian (Faiyum) early Neolithic crania (Henneberg et al. 1989; Midant-Reynes 2000), and the Nabta specimen from the Neolithic Nabta Playa site in the western desert of Egypt (Henneberg et al. 1980) - show, with regard to the great African biological diversity, similarities with some of the sub-Saharan middle Paleolithic and modern sub-Saharan specimens.
This affinity pattern between ancient Egyptians and sub-Saharans has also been noticed by several other investigators (Angel 1972; Berry and Berry 1967, 1972; Keita 1995) and has been recently reinforced by the study of Brace et al. (2005), which clearly shows that the cranial morphology of prehistoric and recent northeast African populations is linked to sub-Saharan populations (Niger-Congo populations). These results support the hypothesis that some of the Paleolithic-early Holocene populations from northeast Africa were probably descendents of sub-Saharan ancestral populations...... This northward migration of northeastern African populations carrying sub-Saharan biological elements is concordant with the morphological homogeneity of the Natufian populations (Bocquentin 2003), which present morphological affinity with sub-Saharan populations (Angel 1972; Brace et al. 2005).
In addition, the Neolithic revolution was assumed to arise in the late Pleistocene Natufians and subsequently spread into Anatolia and Europe (Bar-Yosef 2002), and the first Anatolian farmers, Neolithic to Bronze Age Mediterraneans and to some degree other Neolithic-Bronze Age Europeans, show morphological affinities with the Natufians (and indirectly with sub-Saharan populations; Angel 1972; Brace et al. 2005), in concordance with a process of demie diffusion accompanying the extension of the Neolithic revolution (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994)."
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Southern-Europeans are 30% E1b1b1a, this is the subclade of Haplogroup E which predominates in Southern Europe, but there are a few others on a much smaller percent.
Djehuti's claim Europeans are 30% E is wrong, its only Southern Europeans.
The average Northern European is 0 - 1% E.
If E = ''Black'' as Djehuti claims, then according to him Southern Europeans are 1/3 Black. Yet as everyone knows there is nothing remotely Negroid in the phenotype of Southern Europeans. No nappy hair or wide noses...
The Neolithic E carriers settlers into Europe were just North African Caucasoids, there was nothing 'black' about them. In phenotype they would have looked basically identical to the aboriginal Europeans.
Simply put, in understandable ways for you, they have n*gger blood.
As you can read in the phylogeny tree and maps, E-M81 is very minimal in Europe. lol
The distribution shows E-M78. V13 is a downstream marker and genetic drifted. Lilkely it mutated during or shortly after the Holocene, Neoletic time, when the climate in that region had warm and cold loops. While these people originated from a different climate (tropical). V13 is barely found in Africa.lol
Here, we describe a system for the molecular dissection of haplogroup E-M78 (E1b1b1a), consisting of multiplex polymerase chain reaction and minisequencing of M78 and nine population-informative Y-SNPs (M148, M224, V12, V13, V19, V22, V27, V32, V65) in a single reaction.
Phylogeny of Y-chromosome haplogroups and their frequencies (%) in the examined populations. Nomenclature and haplogroup labelling according to the Y Chromosome Consortium (http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/) updated according to Karafet et al. 32 *Paragroups: Y chromosomes not defined by any phylogenetic downstream-reported and -examined mutation. aIntrapopulation haplogroup diversity. The terminal markers of haplogroups E-V12 and E-V13 (V32 and V27, respectively) were typed but did not show any variation.
Frequency (left) and variance (right) distributions of the main Y-chromosome haplogroups, I-M423, E-V13 and J-M241, observed in this survey. Frequency data are reported in Figure 2, variance data are relative to the examined microsatellite reported in the Supplementary Table S2. We acknowledge that interpolated spatial frequency surfaces should be viewed with caution because of sample size.41 Data from this study. Frequency and variance values were assigned to sample-collection places (dots). Population samples (geographically close) with less than five observations were pooled and the corresponding variance assigned to a middle position of the pooled sample locations. +Data from the literature.13, 23, 27, 28, 36, 45, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54
I even think Manga cartoons as we know them now, have been influenced by Hip Hop culture. The graffiti part, that is. Japan was the second place where Hip Hop arose and expanded, right after it left NY. Thou Manga itself is a old Japanese tradition.
Foolish Africans exchange slave trade Dutch (Ashkenazi) masters for US/Israel Jew masters. REPENT from your ignorant ways!
The Corrections Corporation of America has offered to buy nearly all the nation’s state prisons. “To ensure their profitability, the corporation insists that it be guaranteed that the prisons be kept at least 90 percent full.”
The US is building more prisons but this time these jails are meant for black females. Since 2007, the arrest and incarceration of black (Negro) females has risen 55%. Since Tyler Perry trash targets black females, why hasn't he talked about this?
Why are huge numbers of Black, Latino children in California foster care?
Black children make up six percent of the state’s population but 25 percent of its foster care system. Latino children, 38 percent of the state’s residents, are 51 percent of children in foster care.
“It’s due to the fact that kids are not getting any due process. For instance, families are supposed to have a trial but they are taking children within 15 days ... and the reason they target African American people is because we’re so disenfranchised (Translation: Dumbed down), so it’s about money,” Atty. Pate said.
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Acres of Skin: Human Experiments at Holmesburg Prison Routledge | 1999 | ISBN: 0415923360 | Pages: 320 | PDF
In the first expose of unjust medical experimentation since David Rothman's Willowbrook's Wars, Allen M. Hornblum releases devastating stories from within the walls of Philadelphia's Holmesburg Prison. For more than two decades, from the mid-1950s through the mid-1970s, black inmates were used, in exchange for a few dollars, as guinea pigs in a host of medical experiments, mostly pertaining to MELANIN research.
An array of White/Jew doctors, in conjunction with the University of Pennsylvania and prison officials, established Holmesburg prison as a laboratory testing ground. Hundreds of black prisoners were used to test products from facial creams to far more hazardous, even potentially lethal, substances such chemical warfare agents.
Based on in-depth interviews with dozens of prisoners as well as the doctors and prison officials who performed or enforced these experimental tests, Hornblum paints a disturbing portrait of abuse, moral indifference, and greed. Central to this account are the millions of dollars many of America's leading drug and consumer goods companies made available for the all too eager doctors seeking fame and fortune through their medical experiments.
Acres of Skin is rigorously researched and shocking in its depiction of black men treated as laboratory animals.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
See that NEGRO doctor assisting Albinos as they did in the Tuskegee experiment. The patches seen on the young black man's back are intended to suck out all of the melanin. decades later, these black men have white patches of skin where their melanin has been leached, to be used by Ashkenazi Jew doctors attempting to correct the genetic defect inherent in 100% of Ashkenazi's world wide. These ignorant Negro inmates were paid something like 50 cents per day to allow these Albinos free access to their DNA.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Its got nothing to do with ''racism'', but the reality of physical attractivness. Everyone knows Caucasoid females are the most attractive. This is why men in most Asian countries spend their time drooling over cartoon created females with clear Caucasoid traits, specifically the long haired milky white Nordic/Nordid blondes:
Of course it gets far more extreme than this, East Asians went as far as inventing cartoon hardcore pornography ('hentai'), involving exactly the same blonde or red haired Nordid type females.
Again, the belief that so-called "Caucasian" women are most attractive is YOUR opinion and not that of most Asians. The vast majority of Asian men still find Asian features and their own women attractive. The lie that "caucasian" is superior even aesthetically superior is what's racist! YOU believe that which makes you a racist! And your belief that everyone including Asians feel the same is obviously a lie and a deranged one and that! LOL
I already explained to you the reason for the large eyed, light colored haired, convention in manga and anime. It's not because of a preference of favoritism for "caucasian" features you idiot! It's the create for variation of appearance among the characters since Japanase (and not all Asians) have very homogeneous features. Light colored hair not necessarily blonde but even blue or purple or pink hair, or purple eyes are easy to distinguish one character from another. Also, large eyes make emotional expressions easier in animation than slanted eyes.
Again, the whole mangaka art style is japanese or Korean anyway. Nowhere does this reflect the artforms let alone preferences for REAL flesh and blood women.
I believe I presented an article correcting your twisted views before. Here it is again:
One could just as easily claim white men prefer Asian women and Asian features over caucasian women due to the so many white men I've encountered who have so-called 'yellow fever' that I imagine their favorite porn features Asian women whom they masturbate to!:
Hey Dje, speaking of things Asian, you were right in that thread (I think an "espionage in Ancient Egypt / the ancient world" thread) where you and I think Tyro / Masonic Rebel or somebody talk about the Ninja element in this one manga and mention that the Japanese (with English subtitles) is much better than the English.
Found this out early on in the shippuden version of that show. Just thought I'd let you know.
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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: [qb] Its got nothing to do with ''racism'', but the reality of physical attractivness. Everyone knows Caucasoid females are the most attractive. This is why men in most Asian countries spend their time drooling over cartoon created females with clear Caucasoid traits, specifically the long haired milky white Nordic/Nordid blondes:
Of course it gets far more extreme than this, East Asians went as far as inventing cartoon hardcore pornography ('hentai'), involving exactly the same blonde or red haired Nordid type females.
I already explained to you the reason for the large eyed, light colored haired, convention in manga and anime. It's not because of a preference of favoritism for "caucasian" features you idiot! It's the create for variation of appearance among the characters since Japanase (and not all Asians) have very homogeneous features. Light colored hair not necessarily blonde but even blue or purple or pink hair, or purple eyes are easy to distinguish one character from another. Also, large eyes make emotional expressions easier in animation than slanted eyes.
Again, the whole mangaka art style is japanese or Korean anyway. Nowhere does this reflect the artforms let alone preferences for REAL flesh and blood women.
I believe I presented an article correcting your twisted views before. Here it is again:
Koreans and Japanese have similar attitudes towards blacks and whites. Japanese animation is full of beautiful, sexy and heroic white characters. A European woman who saw Sailor Moon noted with much amusement, "If this is Japanese animation, why do none of the characters look Japanese?" The few black characters in other works of Japanese animation are mostly negative or marginal. The recent LA riots in the US testify to the damaging effects of Korean attitudes towards blacks. Generally, white consumers are treated better than black consumers in Korean establishments. Many Koreans and Japanese dye their hair blond, brown or red. Blue and green contact lenses are also popular among young East Asians.
Southeast Asians, wherever they're living in the world, also express similar white-is-better-than-black attitudes. A black Amerasian living in Vietnam said he wished he was a white Amerasian instead. A Filipino American woman remarked that a woman's beauty is marred by dark skin. A South Asian woman recalled with horror a stranger knocking on her door, expressly noting it was "an African American man". Race is almost never tagged onto descriptions of white strangers. Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
Rarghwr!
Djehuti, since you're asian please let meh know: who's right here?
Thanx.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Correct! Over 20% in southern Europe + 10% in central Europe + 3% in northern Europe. This all equals to over 33% as in one-third!
However your silly racialized terms of "negroid", "capoid", and "caca-soid" etc. are non-existent and futile. The E lineage originated among indigenous Africans period. And color wise these indigenous Africans are 'black'. The fair-skinned North African in your pictures spam is obviously of foreign-mixed descent and does NOT represent the autochthonous or aboriginal populations of the area.
We all know how the carriers of E-M78 looked like as per the skeletal remains in Lake Nubia! LOL You and your ancestors have BLACK ancestry so get over it!
What got taken into Europe was E1b1b1b, the ''"Berber marker'' which originated in Maghreb (north-western africa) and E1b1b1a. Both are not found in Negroids (unless you consider recent admixture). These are North African Caucasoid markers, not Sub-Saharan African...
Indigenous North Africans are Caucasoid, there is nothing remotely 'black' about them.
Another problem with your theory:
If Southern Europeans are 30% ''black afro'' as you claim why do they look fully Caucasoid?
The people of southern europe where E is the highest aren't nappy haired with wide noses...
E1b1b1a is E-M78. Berbers carry E-M81. South Europans carry E-V13 dumbass, which is a downstream and genetic drifted.
Populations like the Masalit and Fur carry the paragroup of this marker, EM78. Berbers reside in Northwest Africa not in Northeast Africa and so is their genetic marker E-M81. That's the differences dumb Muktaba.
It's N* gger blood. As desperate as you are to disprove otherwise.
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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Correct. There is no way getting around it. Europeans are the ones who are mixed!-- ONE-THIRD AFRICAN to be exact!
Koreans and Japanese have similar attitudes towards blacks and whites. Japanese animation is full of beautiful, sexy and heroic white characters. A European woman who saw Sailor Moon noted with much amusement, "If this is Japanese animation, why do none of the characters look Japanese?" The few black characters in other works of Japanese animation are mostly negative or marginal. The recent LA riots in the US testify to the damaging effects of Korean attitudes towards blacks. Generally, white consumers are treated better than black consumers in Korean establishments. Many Koreans and Japanese dye their hair blond, brown or red. Blue and green contact lenses are also popular among young East Asians.
Southeast Asians, wherever they're living in the world, also express similar white-is-better-than-black attitudes. A black Amerasian living in Vietnam said he wished he was a white Amerasian instead. A Filipino American woman remarked that a woman's beauty is marred by dark skin. A South Asian woman recalled with horror a stranger knocking on her door, expressly noting it was "an African American man". Race is almost never tagged onto descriptions of white strangers.
LOL Sorry worm, but the people in this forum are smart enough to read the ENTIRE article if not know the context. The above passage you cite is just ONE part of the article, specifically the part under the header of 'Modern Asian attitudes towards black and white'. Now how about you cite passages underneath the header of 'Pre-modern Asian ideas on 'race'' or better yet, the passage under the header, 'The idea of white superiority/black inferiority a European import?' just to give a more accurate and balanced view, worm!
quote:Originally posted by Whatbox: Rarghwr!
Djehuti, since you're asian please let meh know: who's right here?
Thanx.
Well it sure as hell ain't lyingass! LOL Mike, despite his black banter b.s. is more accurate in that the oldest surviving depictions of Buddha do come from the south since most of the oldest buddha depictions in the north were either destroyed by Muslims or were revamped into Hindu temples. By the way, Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha) was born in the kingdom of Shakya which was located in modern day southwestern Nepal.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
Indeed. The Japanese are not as "frightened" of blacks as pyramidiot and other white race-tards think.
Some pretty nasty things were said about the black actors and in particular, the young actress Amandla Stenberg who played 'Rue'! We are talking about a little girl here, but in the minds of these race-trash, an innocent little girl can only be white anyway.
The only bright side is that despite such stupidity and hatred, the vast majority of (white) fans are not like this! They know that a beloved story especially one that takes place in a futuristic society is not lily white nor should characters of color be relegated to insignificant or negative roles.
For those unfamiliar with the book, there is an excellent expose on the world of 'race' in Hunger Games:
Of course, this was the same mentality behind the race-bending of the sucky movie 'The Last Airbender'.
There's a funny youtube video on the issue here.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ You are not at all a typical Mongoloid. Something went wrong with you. As CT said, Mongoloids are usually a very proud people and are ethnocentric. You however seem to have no pride in your race and want to be Black.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ LMAO
Exactly wtf makes you think I am not proud of my ethnicity or heritage or that I want to be black??!!
If you hadn't noticed, this thread (my rant) is about Eurocentrism and racial bias on the part of whites like yourself and how you slight people of color, not only blacks but Asians and everyone else!
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ LMAO
Exactly wtf makes you think I am not proud of my ethnicity or heritage or that I want to be black??!!
If you hadn't noticed, this thread (my rant) is about Eurocentrism and racial bias on the part of whites like yourself and how you slight people of color, not only blacks but Asians and everyone else!
All you do is attack whites, labelling them racists every 5 minutes, but anti-white racism you ignore. This is a typical double standard.
Furthermore if you are not Black as you claim, why are you an Afrocentric? You claim virtually every civilization under the sun has ''black roots'', extending this silly notion to Europe as you claim Southern Euros are 1/3 ''black''. You must be the only East Asian (or whatever you are) claiming this on the net. You clearly have a lot of insecurities over your race and seem obsessed with Negroes.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidiot: All you do is attack whites, labeling them racists every 5 minutes, but anti-white racism you ignore. This is a typical double standard.
I don't attack 'whites' in general only whites like YOURSELF who truly are racist! In fact I have come to the defense of many whites who have the sense and logic unlike racist twits like yourself! Anti-white racism by the way, is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to the ORIGINAL white racism that emanates from folks such as yourself. In many ways anti-white racism is just as dumb if not moreso which is why I don't even bother with the likes of such.
Unless you disagree that the comments made by some 'Hunger Games' fans is not racist.
quote:Furthermore if you are not Black as you claim, why are you an Afrocentric? You claim virtually every civilization under the sun has ''black roots'', extending this silly notion to Europe as you claim Southern Euros are 1/3 ''black''. You must be the only East Asian (or whatever you are) claiming this on the net. You clearly have a lot of insecurities over your race and seem obsessed with Negroes.
I'm afraid you confuse me for the likes of 'Mike' or 'Iron Lion'. I don't claim every civilization as having black roots except those that really do such as EGYPT! If you haven't noticed, Egypt is IN Africa, thus it's an African civilization and any so-called 'Afrocentric' views on such is totally logical. Paul Kekai Manansala is another person who is proponent of Egypt and African civilizations yet he too is Asian, and let's not get into the many white experts and scholars who do the same.
You are a pathetic white loser who questions logic itself because it conflicts with your idiotic ideals. GTFOH You dumb English wanker! Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
You know it would really be great if some of you get up off your asses get a passport travel a bit you will find that folks of various regions and nations will confirm your stereotypes while others will do a 360 and surprise the hell outta you Ah mean fer fuk sakes!!!people are people!
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
Anyone here familiar with The Walking Dead series and/or comics? I haven't read the comics, but I'm a big fan of the tv series...
Late Sunday, AMC announced that Danai Gurira has been cast in the fan-favorite role of the sword wielding Michonne on The Walking Dead.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ I saw that on the show 'Talking Dead'. I've heard of the comic series well before the TV series came out, but I've never read it. But now that I'm a fan of the show, I guess the comics is a lot better than I thought it would be.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
^ Not a fan of zombie stuff, but she isn't bad-looking.
Posted by Men Kheper Ra (Member # 4547) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Aw that's so sad, they were hoping for another 'no-coloreds-allowed-in-Middle-Earth' Lord of the Rings.
lol - even dealing with the Lord of the Rings they were naming places in Ethiopia such as Gondar (Elf City of Kings) and Rahan .... lol.
anglo-angu has some serious racist issues - but I'm sure he has learned a lot while being here - and it disturbs him which is why he stays because he can't get enough ... its like tasty poison to him - he got to have it even though its tearing down his neurological supremacist system.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I saw that on the show 'Talking Dead'. I've heard of the comic series well before the TV series came out, but I've never read it. But now that I'm a fan of the show, I guess the comics is a lot better than I thought it would be.
I hadn't heard of the comics at all before the series but now I'm much interested in checking them out....
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Correct! Over 20% in southern Europe + 10% in central Europe + 3% in northern Europe. This all equals to over 33% as in one-third!
However your silly racialized terms of "negroid", "capoid", and "caca-soid" etc. are non-existent and futile. The E lineage originated among indigenous Africans period. And color wise these indigenous Africans are 'black'. The fair-skinned North African in your pictures spam is obviously of foreign-mixed descent and does NOT represent the autochthonous or aboriginal populations of the area.
We all know how the carriers of E-M78 looked like as per the skeletal remains in Lake Nubia! LOL You and your ancestors have BLACK ancestry so get over it!
What got taken into Europe was E1b1b1b, the ''"Berber marker'' which originated in Maghreb (north-western africa) and E1b1b1a. Both are not found in Negroids (unless you consider recent admixture). These are North African Caucasoid markers, not Sub-Saharan African...
Indigenous North Africans are Caucasoid, there is nothing remotely 'black' about them.
Another problem with your theory:
If Southern Europeans are 30% ''black afro'' as you claim why do they look fully Caucasoid?
The people of southern europe where E is the highest aren't nappy haired with wide noses... [/QB]
U r right Anglo that Europeans are only 30% African in the sense that they originally come from Africa probably before 50,000 years ago and then have since recieved some input from the Paleolithic Negroes (Cro-Magnon/Mechtoids) and the Neolithic negroes who spread into the Levant.
On the other hand scholars and genetic studies have found that coastal African Berber-speaking peoples are themselves barely 30% African i.e. Berber - so that the argument that modern Euros are a third African only has sense if one is taking into account the modern Caucasian peoples who have adopted Berber speech and inacurrately referred to as indigenous Africans (as you have done). Their roots are mainly in recent populations of Eurasia who of course have nothing to do with the E1b1b1b of the east African-originated black people - the only people known as Berbers/Beriberi until the 15th century. Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Correction, they received those E1b1b lineages during neolithic times. But according to the Anglo-Idiot, it doesn't matter because these Africans are really 'Caucasians'. LOL Sure thing.
quote:Originally posted by Men Kheper Ra: lol - even dealing with the Lord of the Rings they were naming places in Ethiopia such as Gondar (Elf City of Kings) and Rahan .... lol.
LOL Those names have nothing to do with Ethiopia and are pure coincidental. Gondor by the way, was a kingdom of humans though it once belonged to elves.
The point is, these white idiots need to stop segregating people of color out their fictional stories, especially when people of color actually exist in it!
quote:anglo-angu has some serious racist issues - but I'm sure he has learned a lot while being here - and it disturbs him which is why he stays because he can't get enough ... its like tasty poison to him - he got to have it even though its tearing down his neurological supremacist system.
Seriously. The guy is a psychopath for repeating his b.s. here, though I'm beginning to question our own sanity for engaging him. Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
First Photo of Michonne in The Walking Dead Season 3 May 29, 2012 Dying to get your first look at the sword-wielding, walker-towing survivor known as Michonne? Check out this photo from the Season 3 set.
CNN) -- Can you imagine playing a single video game for 10 years?
One man did. And it helped him imagine something else: a bleak, war-ravaged future version of Earth.
A member of the social news website Reddit who goes by the name Lycerius posted his results from a decade-long game of "Civilization II," a turn-based strategy games in which players build their own society. His epic struggle pushed the game to its limits, further than developers ever imagined or planned for.
The "Civilization" franchise is a series of strategy games that allow players to grow small tribes into large, sprawling nations. Players can manage resources, build armies and engage in diplomacy in an effort to grow their civilization into a world leader.
"Civilization II" was released in 1996. But when the third version of the game was released in 2001, Lycerius said, he was already deep into his current game and wanted to see how far he could go.
He doesn't play every day but returns to what he called a "hellish nightmare of suffering and devastation" when he has some free time.
Now in the year 3991, his world is down to three super-nations, each competing for dwindling resources, and a planet left scarred by multiple nuclear wars. His Celts are locked in a 1,700-year war with the Vikings and the Americans. All other nations have been destroyed or absorbed.
"Peace seems to be impossible. Every time a cease fire is signed, the Vikings will surprise attack me or the Americans the very next turn, often with nuclear weapons," Lycerius wrote on Reddit. "Even when the U.N forces a peace treaty. So I can only assume that peace will come only when they're wiped out. It is this that perpetuates the war ad infinitum."
Because of the continual fighting, he was forced to abandon his democracy and adopt a communist state, because his Senate kept overruling him when he wanted to declare war. Also, his cities are filled with starving people (90% of his world's population died from nuclear annihilation or famine from global warming) because, he says, he has to keep building war machines to sustain his combat efforts.
"So you want a granary so you can eat? Sorry; I have to build another tank instead. Maybe next time," he wrote.
Constant nuclear bombardment and sabotage have melted the world's ice caps over and over again, resulting in the flooding of all terrain other than mountains. He said his world is full of swamp (which is useless for farming) and irradiated lands.
"Civilization" franchise creator Sid Meier said developers never even thought about someone taking a "Civ" game this far into the future.
"There's no way we could have tested for this, so it was a surprise to us," Meier said. "I can't say that we ever thought anyone would play a game of 'Civ' for that long. It's exciting that a fan of the series would dedicate 10 years to playing one continuous game."
Before you think Lycerius is just an unfeeling ruler, he said he does want to find a way to end the longstanding war.
"My goal for the next few years is to try and end the war and thus use the engineers to clear swamps and fallout so that farming may resume. I want to rebuild the world. But I'm not sure how. "
Reddit users have been filling up his post with suggestions on how to make his world livable again. And a new thread has developed, called The Eternal War, where players are chatting about their own experiences.
Meier has a new challenge for Lycerius.
"We should probably send him a copy of 'Civ V' and 'Civ V: Gods & Kings.' Maybe in 10 years, he can create a similar scenario. We applaud you for playing what's sure to be the longest-running game of 'Civ' ever."
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[ 03. October 2021, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: the lioness, ]
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It's also a damn outrage the type of hateful sh|t this talented little girl is getting from the race-haters.![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Are you serious! So the whole agricultural district is black??! The plantation district! LOL 
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