quote:
Originally posted by Big O:
Tamil Spoken in Cameroon?...Dravidians of Saharan-Nubian Origins?
Cameroonians Speak Tamil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyAYGlFZjk
quote:yes, the affinity shows that
Originally posted by Big O:
That makes ZERO sense. They came from Africa, biological evidence has shown affinity towards these people in the form of cranial studies.
quote:
Originally posted by Big O:
Tamil Spoken in Cameroon?...Dravidians of Saharan-Nubian Origins?
Cameroonians Speak Tamil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyAYGlFZjk
quote:Interesting, and of course the evidence that mankind originated in Africa is too overwhelming.
Originally posted by Big O:
"This could mean mankind originated in Southern India
and then spread to Africa later"
That makes ZERO sense. They came from Africa, biological evidence has shown affinity towards these people in the form of cranial studies. Archaeology and linguistics also strongly support an African origin. The father of Indian history BB laal has made it clear that Indians originated in Africa, and migrated into Asia within the last 5-10,000 years.
quote:The Dravidians originated in the Nile Valley. Their African origin is mentioned in ancient Indian literature.
Originally posted by Big O:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0rjU8CbtK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUjmhVa3q00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcS1IGA6ZuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyAYGlFZjk
The Indians in the comment section seem to cosign this history of them coming from Africa.
Were Dravidians the predynastic Egyptians who were completely exiled from Africa? They definitely have a Nile Valley connection, and are definitely related according to the Greeks. All of Nubia included lands as far away as modern day India/Pakistan (or further).
When they exiled were they the primary African population that resettled the Mediterranean and Aegean following the Neolithic? I've seen linguistic comparison linking Dravidian to many if not all of those cultures. Then again again JK Campbell Dunn points to Niger-Congo being the substratum of Indo European.
quote:Clyde, you made a big post yet not addressing the linguistic aspect of thread topic >
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:The Dravidians originated in the Nile Valley. Their African origin is mentioned in ancient Indian literature
Originally posted by Big O:
[qb] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0rjU8CbtK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUjmhVa3q00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcS1IGA6ZuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyAYGlFZjk
The Indians in the comment section seem to cosign this history of them coming from Africa.
Were Dravidians the predynastic Egyptians who were completely exiled from Africa? They definitely have a Nile Valley connection, and are definitely related according to the Greeks. All of Nubia included lands as far away as modern day India/Pakistan (or further).
When they exiled were they the primary African population that resettled the Mediterranean and Aegean following the Neolithic? I've seen linguistic comparison linking Dravidian to many if not all of those cultures. Then again again JK Campbell Dunn points to Niger-Congo being the substratum of Indo European.
quote:The people in the video spoke Mofu, a Chadic language.This video confirms the relationship batween Chadic and Dravidian languages. Tamazight is not related to Tamil.Tamil is related to the Mande, Nubia and Somali languages to name a few.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Clyde, you made a big post yet not addressing the linguistic aspect of thread topic >
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:The Dravidians originated in the Nile Valley. Their African origin is mentioned in ancient Indian literature
Originally posted by Big O:
[qb] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0rjU8CbtK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUjmhVa3q00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcS1IGA6ZuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyAYGlFZjk
The Indians in the comment section seem to cosign this history of them coming from Africa.
Were Dravidians the predynastic Egyptians who were completely exiled from Africa? They definitely have a Nile Valley connection, and are definitely related according to the Greeks. All of Nubia included lands as far away as modern day India/Pakistan (or further).
When they exiled were they the primary African population that resettled the Mediterranean and Aegean following the Neolithic? I've seen linguistic comparison linking Dravidian to many if not all of those cultures. Then again again JK Campbell Dunn points to Niger-Congo being the substratum of Indo European.
1) Is Tamil Spoken by Cameroonians?
2) Is Tamil language similar in particular to Tamazight or any other specific language in Africa?
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also
3) can you quote a work of ancient Indian literature
that supports your claim that Dravidians have an African origin?
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The the same youtube channel that produced this Big O
thread topic tiled "Cameroonians Speak Tamil"
also said in another video "out of Africa Theory is definitely defeated by this video"
Amazing Primitive History Of Mankind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myWd_muzTRQ
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topic video (last link in OP and quote at top)
Cameroonians Speak Tamil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyAYGlFZjk
quote:In the topic video presented by Big O, " Cameroonians Speak Tamil" in the description box of the video it says
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Tamazight is not related to Tamil.
quote:Also looking at this video. Do you think any of the
Originally posted by Big O:
Tamil Spoken in Cameroon?...Dravidians of Saharan-Nubian Origins?
Cameroonians Speak Tamil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyAYGlFZjk
quote:Most of the Hyksos never left Africa they were the dominant people in Lower Egypt. Yes the Hyksos worshipped Seth, just like Seti of the New Kingdom, who also came from Lower Egypt. The Hyksos were Kushites here, and here .
Originally posted by Big O:
Good information Dr. Winters! Question though, it seems that Dravidians made a complete exist from Africa. Is there historical context to their exist? In pre-dynastic Nile Valley civilization were they the population that worshipped Seth? Diop acknowledges the likihood that the "racially ambiguous") Northern Egyptian type were Dravidians (countering Chancellor William's assertion that they were White people). We know that they were exiled by Narmer, and likely went into Asia. The only cults in those regions were African cults (Seth), and the Hyksos proved that when they came back into Africa. I think that Hyksos likely resulted from a mixture of that Dravidian type leaving Africa and them mixing in with nomadic white populations wandering throughout Asia.
quote:but Kumarinadu aka Lemuria isn't touching Africa in the above
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
In ancient times there was a large Island the Indian Ocean called Kumarinadu. Kamarinadu or Kumari-Kandam formerly existed as a large Island in the India ocean which connected India with East Africa.
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quote:So the Dravidians were in China before
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Dravidian literature makes it clear that the Dravidian people came to South India from the North, South and East.
The final Dravidian speaking people to enter South India were the Tamil. The Tamil, who were early Kings of Shang China, were forced out of China
quote:They were not in China first. The Dravidians associated with the migration from China were the Yueh-chih.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:but Kumarinadu aka Lemuria isn't touching Africa in the above
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
In ancient times there was a large Island the Indian Ocean called Kumarinadu. Kamarinadu or Kumari-Kandam formerly existed as a large Island in the India ocean which connected India with East Africa.
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quote:So the Dravidians were in China before
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Dravidian literature makes it clear that the Dravidian people came to South India from the North, South and East.
The final Dravidian speaking people to enter South India were the Tamil. The Tamil, who were early Kings of Shang China, were forced out of China
they went to India
Big O, this is very interesting
quote:They were not in China first. The Dravidians associated with the migration from China were the Yueh-chih/Yuezhi.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:but Kumarinadu aka Lemuria isn't touching Africa in the above
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
In ancient times there was a large Island the Indian Ocean called Kumarinadu. Kamarinadu or Kumari-Kandam formerly existed as a large Island in the India ocean which connected India with East Africa.
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quote:So the Dravidians were in China before
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Dravidian literature makes it clear that the Dravidian people came to South India from the North, South and East.
The final Dravidian speaking people to enter South India were the Tamil. The Tamil, who were early Kings of Shang China, were forced out of China
they went to India
Big O, this is very interesting
quote:.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:but Kumarinadu aka Lemuria isn't touching Africa in the above
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
In ancient times there was a large Island the Indian Ocean called Kumarinadu. Kamarinadu or Kumari-Kandam formerly existed as a large Island in the India ocean which connected India with East Africa.
.
.
quote:So the Dravidians were in China before
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Dravidian literature makes it clear that the Dravidian people came to South India from the North, South and East.
The final Dravidian speaking people to enter South India were the Tamil. The Tamil, who were early Kings of Shang China, were forced out of China
they went to India
Big O, this is very interesting
quote:By 55,000 years ago, the first modern humans had arrived on the Indian subcontinent from Africa
Originally posted by Big O:
SO Lioness wouldn't you say that this is proof that the Dravidians came from Africa?
quote:.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:By 55,000 years ago, the first modern humans had arrived on the Indian subcontinent from Africa
Originally posted by Big O:
SO Lioness wouldn't you say that this is proof that the Dravidians came from Africa?
Homo sapiens arrived in Europe around 45,000 and 43,000 years ago
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Dravidian speakers only arrived in India 5kya from Africa 14-15.
This would explain why Dravidian tribal populations and Africans share several y-chromosomes
quote:a) What particular language in that region is Dravidian, if not most related African language that Dravidian emerges from?
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
3) what place in Africa does Dravidian language come from?
They lived in an area from Chad to the Nile Valley.
quote:Tamil and other Dravidian languages belong to the Niger-Congo Family of languages.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:a) What particular language in that region is Dravidian, if not most related African language that Dravidian emerges from?
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
3) what place in Africa does Dravidian language come from?
They lived in an area from Chad to the Nile Valley.
b) kumarinadu* is described by some is a land mass connecting Africa to south India.
Do you believe that to be a fact or just possibility?
*including the idea that humans lived on it at the time
code:6.1 Dravidian and Senegalese. Cheikh T. N'Diaye (1972) and U.P. Upadhyaya (1976) have firmly established the linguistic unity of the Dravidian and Senegalese languages. They present grammatical, morphological, phonetic and lexical parallels to prove their point.COMMON INDO-AFRICAN TERMS
ENGLISH DRAVIDIAN SENEGALESE MANDING
MOTHER AMMA AMA,MEEN MA
FATHER APPAN,ABBA AMPA,BAABA BA
PREGNANCY BASARU BIIR BARA
SKIN URI NGURU,GURI GURU
BLOOD NETTARU DERET DYERI
KING MANNAN MAANSA,OMAAD MANSA
GRAND BIIRA BUUR BA
SALIVA TUPPAL TUUDDE TU
CULTIVATE BEY ,MBEY BE
BOAT KULAM GAAL KULU
FEATHER SOOGE SIIGE SI, SIGI
MOUNTAIN KUNRU TUUD KURU
ROCK KALLU XEER KULU
STREAM KOLLI KAL KOLI
code:Above we provided linguistic examples from many different African Supersets (Families) including the Mande and Niger-Congo groups to prove the analogy between Dravidian and Black African languages. The evidence is clear that the Dravidian and Black African languages should be classed in a family called Indo-African as suggested by Th. Obenga. This data further supports the archaeological evidence accumulated by Dr. B.B Lal (1963) which proved that the Dravidians originated in the Fertile African Crescent.English Senegalese Dravidian
body W. yaram uru
head D. fuko,xoox kukk
hair W. kawar kavaram 'shoot'
eye D. kil kan, khan
mouth D. butum baayi, vaay
lip W. tun,F. tondu tuti
heart W. xol,S. xoor karalu
pup W. kuti kutti
sheep W. xar 'ram'
cow W. nag naku
hoe W. konki
bronze W. xanjar xancara
blacksmith W. kamara
skin dol tool
mother W. yaay aayi
child D. kunil kunnu, kuuci
ghee o-new ney
quote:Dravidian is related to African languages.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:a) What particular language in that region is Dravidian, if not most related African language that Dravidian emerges from?
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
3) what place in Africa does Dravidian language come from?
They lived in an area from Chad to the Nile Valley.
quote:The Paleo-African hunters quickly learned the habits of wild sheep and goats. As a result of this hunting experience and the shock of the short arid period after 8500 BC, Paleo-Africans began to domesticate goat/sheep to insure a reliable source of food. By 6000 BP the inhabitants of Tadrart Acacus were reliant on sheep and goats (Barich 1985).
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:a) What particular language in that region is Dravidian, if not most related African language that Dravidian emerges from?
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
3) what place in Africa does Dravidian language come from?
They lived in an area from Chad to the Nile Valley.
quote:What are the Phylogenetics of Dravidians in India?
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Phylogenetically the Niger-Congo mtDNA haplogroups include L1,L2,L3, U5, L3(M,N). The y-Chromosome haplotypes associated with the NC population were A,B, E1b1a, E1b1b, E2, E3a and R1.
quote:.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
@Clyde Winters
kumarinadu* is described by some is a land mass connecting Africa to south India.
Do you believe that to be a fact or just possibility?
*including the idea that humans lived on it at the time
quote:.
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:What are the Phylogenetics of Dravidians in India?
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Phylogenetically the Niger-Congo mtDNA haplogroups include L1,L2,L3, U5, L3(M,N). The y-Chromosome haplotypes associated with the NC population were A,B, E1b1a, E1b1b, E2, E3a and R1.
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quote:What are the paternal and maternal Phylogenetics of Dravidians in India?
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Phylogenetically the Niger-Congo mtDNA haplogroups include L1,L2,L3, U5, L3(M,N).
The y-Chromosome haplotypes associated with the Niger-Congo population were A,B, E1b1a, E1b1b, E2, E3a and R1.