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Physical Descriptions of King David of Israel:
''So he sent and made him come in. Now he had red hair and beautiful eyes and pleasing looks. And the Lord said, Come, put the oil on him, for this is he.'' - 1 Samuel 16:12
And when the Philistine, taking note, saw David, he had a poor opinion of him: for he was only a boy, red-haired and good-looking
- 1 Samuel 14:42
Negroids don't have red hair, only white people do. The Israelites were not black.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Physical Descriptions of King David of Israel:
''So he sent and made him come in. Now he had red hair and beautiful eyes and pleasing looks. And the Lord said, Come, put the oil on him, for this is he.'' - 1 Samuel 16:12
And when the Philistine, taking note, saw David, he had a poor opinion of him: for he was only a boy, red-haired and good-looking
- 1 Samuel 14:42
Negroids don't have red hair, only white people do. The Israelites were not black.
So how do you explain the fact we are called Hebrews. How do you explain how our history is the same as the exodus story in the Bible? How do you explain our culture and traditions are the same as that of the Hebrews in the Bible? How do you explain our suffering wherever you find us on this planet? A phenomena that is in line with Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26?. How do you explain that we are spread around the world as the Bible prophecy predicted? And how do you explain the fact the EVIDENCE says we are the walking talking Hebrews but WE ARE BLACK?
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Physical Descriptions of King David of Israel:
''So he sent and made him come in. Now he had red hair and beautiful eyes and pleasing looks. And the Lord said, Come, put the oil on him, for this is he.'' - 1 Samuel 16:12 (BBE)
(KJV) King James Bible:
And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he. - 1 Samuel 16:12
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
And when the Philistine, taking note, saw David, he had a poor opinion of him: for he was only a boy, red-haired and good-looking
- 1 Samuel 14:42 (BBE)
wrong, 1 Samuel 17:42 not 14:42
(KJV) King James Bible: And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance. 1 Samuel 17:42
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( 1 Samuel 14:42: Saul said, Cast lots between me and Jonathan my son. And Jonathan was taken.)
note: in the quotes is" he was ruddy", not "his hair was ruddy"
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*(BBE)
The Bible In Basic English (also known as BBE) is a translation of the Bible into Basic English. The BBE was translated by Professor S. H. Hooke using the standard 850 Basic English words. 100 words that were helpful to understand poetry were added along with 50 "Bible" words for a total of 1,000 words total. This version is effective in communicating the Bible to those with limited education or where English is a second language. The New Testament was released in 1941 and the Old Testament was released in 1949.
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quote:Originally posted by Energy: So how do you explain the fact we are called Hebrews. How do you explain how our history is the same as the exodus story in the Bible? How do you explain our culture and traditions are the same as that of the Hebrews in the Bible? How do you explain our suffering wherever you find us on this planet? A phenomena that is in line with Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26?. How do you explain that we are spread around the world as the Bible prophecy predicted? And how do you explain the fact the EVIDENCE says we are the walking talking Hebrews but WE ARE BLACK? [/QB]
Black people do not fufill any of the prophecies.
Shall we go through them?
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All countries not shaded blue cannot be Israel as they don't have a monarchy.
A key marker of Israel and fufillment of Biblical prophecy is a monarchy - ''David will have a descendant sitting on the throne of Israel forever''.
Black Sub-Saharan Africans as you can see by the map don't have monarchies left.
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LOL! You said you wanted to go through the prophesies. So stop clowning.
Read again my post, which you challenged. I clearly mentioned Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26. Those are the scriptures that spell out the condition the Hebrews will find themselves in if they turned their back on God. What has what you are posted got to do with it? Where EXACTLY does the Bible say an identifier of the Hebrews is royalty? The Bible says very clearly they will be in a state of DEGRADATION.
Consider the following from Deuteronomy 28 and tell me if the slaves in America did not suffer these atrocities.
25 The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. 26 Your carcasses will be food for all the birds and the wild animals, and there will be no one to frighten them away. 27 The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured. 28 The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. 29 At midday you will grope about like a blind person in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you.
30 You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit. 31 Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them. 32 Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand. 33 A people that you do not know will eat what your land and labor produce, and you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days. 34 The sights you see will drive you mad. 35 The LORD will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.
Do you know any people that have all of the above continuously happening to them apart from black people?
Anyway with regard to David's line being on the throne forever. The Royal family still exists in West Africa. I know because I am part of it.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: The Slave Coast is the name of the coastal areas of present Togo, Benin and western Nigeria, a fertile region of coastal Western Africa along the Bight of Benin. Most slaves in the United States came from the Senegambian region --not slave coast. These slaves were mainly Yoruba, Akan and etc..
Very few Akans were slaves Clyde. The Akans ruled their neighbours and sold them into slavery. For example the Akwamu a branch of the Akans ruled a large sway of Eweland (pronounced Erverhland) and the people were their slaves and subjects.
One undeniable fact with slaves is they end up adopting the names and language of their masters. In time it is difficult to differentiate between master and slave if they look the same. What separates them for anyone to know who-is-who is their history. Thus you may have slaves in the Americas with Akan names but that does not mean they are Akans. And the history shows that Akans enslaved the Ewes (Erverhs) and everybody else. Thus to say Akans were slaves you have to show who enslaved them. Certainly not the Erverhs. And that is a fact.
We even have Portuguese records that testify Akans BOUGHT slaves from the Slave Coast from the Portuguese to use as farm hands. Thus, to claim Caribbean and African-American are Akan slaves would need PROVING and you will find very few Akan history books would support your supposition.
It is amusing to hear Caribbean and African-Americans claim Ashanti ancestry. The Ashantis are Akans. Ashantis were the main Slave traders in West Africa. They went to war simply to capture their fellow blacks and sell them into slavery. For African-Americans and Caribbean to say they are Ashanti, they have to explain who sold the Ashanti into slavery. You will find no such history exist. One or two Ashanti prisoners of war would have ended up in slavery, but to claim blacks in the Americas came from Akans means millions of Akans would have been captured and sold into slavery. That simply did not happen.
With regard to the Yoruba. They are part of the Ewe (Everhs). The name Ewe and Yoruba are names coined by Europeans. Thus, they are new or recent names. Before the advent of the Europeans in West Africans affairs, the people of the former Slaves Coast (which Yoruba is part of) were simply known as ERVERH.
With regard to the slaves from SeneGambian region. You need to understand how far the Ewe (Erverhs) were spread across West Africa. Our oral history says we were the masters of the Songhai empire. This claim is corroborated by ancient Arab writing of Mohammed Bello and other Arab scholars. In fact the whole Fulani Jihad that fed the slave trade was the Fulanis wars to free their lands of the Ewe (Erverh). Thus, Mohammed Bello and others testify the people they the Fulani sold into slavery were their enemies which were mainly Ewe (Erverh).
How are you gonna say that there were very few akan slaves that went to Jamaica and America? Most of all the slave revolts in the Americas were done by the akan, the maroons still speak and practice the akan language and culture.
quote:Originally posted by Energy: WHAT NEXT HAVE YOU GOT? BRING IT ON! [/QB]
From Edward Hine's (1878) Identifications -
Lost Israel’s Location Must Be The Isles
The Isles shall wait for His law”, (Isaiah 42:4). “Sing unto Yahweh a new song, the Isles and the inhabitants thereof”, (Isaiah 42:10). “Listen, O Isles, unto me” (Isaiah 49:1). “Hear the word of Yahweh, O ye nations, and declare it in the Isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him”, (Jeremiah 31:10). “Let them give glory unto Yahweh, and declare His praise in the Islands”, (Isaiah 42:12). “To the Islands will he repay recompense”, (Isaiah 59:18).
Israel’s Isles Must Be North-West From Palestine
Israel must be an island people, but also most literally the very point of the compass where these isles would be situated. Israel in her lost estate is most plainly directed to glorify the “name of the Mighty One of Israel in the isles of the Western Seas”, (Isaiah 24:15). “To the islands will he repay recompense, so shall they fear the name of Yahweh from the West”, Isaiah (59:18,19). Then we learn that these islands would not only be in the West, but in the North-West, because the very word sent after Israel when she returns, is sent to the North, “Go and proclaim these words towards the North, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel”, (Jeremiah 3:12). So that the islands must constitute a north country, because the Almighty, speaking of the time of the return of Israel and Judah (the one cannot return without the other), says, “They shall come together out of the land of the north”, (Jeremiah 3:18), when they shall forget the song of Egypt, and henceforth sing, “Yahweh liveth which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the North country”, (Jeremiah 23:8). As this has never yet been sung, it follows, the Bible being true, that the time is yet future; so that Israel must be now in a North-West locality from Palestine, the Seat of Prophecy, Yahweh declaring that when He assembles them together, prior to their return, “I will gather thee from the West”, (Isaiah 43:5).
Israel Must Have Jacob’s Stone With Them
It is impossible to suppose that Jacob’s Stone can be actually lost, because it must exist as a signet ring to the Almighty, i.e., as a seal of witness that the promises He made to Israel through Jacob should be verified; therefore, wherever Israel may be, at the present time, they must have this Stone in their possession. Jacob was out late at night; too late to enter the city of Luz, the gates of the city, like our Temple Bar, and other gates found in nearly every town, being shut. He had to stay outside, took a stone, laid his head upon it, and slept. Yahweh met him here, told him about the future of his seed, that they should be ejected from the land, become for numbers “as the dust of the earth”; should “spread abroad”, or beget Colonies, in “the west”, “the east”, “the north” and “the south”; and that while occupying these positions, in his seed should “all the [Israel] families of the earth be blessed”; a clear proof that this could not apply to the “Jews”, because though they are dispersed everywhere, they are not known to be the means of blessing of the [Israel] nations, neither are they as “the dust” for multitude, but the reverse in each case (Jeremiah 11:12; 15:7). It can only refer to Israel, the ten tribes, Yahweh telling Jacob that after his seed having gone through this work, should be brought back to their land again, saying through him of Israel:
Behold I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of (Genesis 28:15).
And the stone was afterwards converted into a pillar of witness, that the pledges Yahweh had given should all be fulfilled; therefore, as Israel has not yet returned — as the work has not yet been accomplished — and as the stone is to be a seal of witness when all has been completed — it follows that the stone must be in existence, otherwise it could not give its witness. This stone was known to be in the Temple at the time of the Babylonish Captivity; it was “The Eben Schethia”, or Chief Corner Stone of the Temple in the sense of testifying to the presence of Yahweh. Jeremiah the Prophet knew its value. He was a royal high priest — must have valued every article he knew Yahweh to be interested in — he did not go to Babylon — he was allowed to do as he pleased — enjoyed free access to the Temple — and was afforded ample time to secure everything in his judgment that was required to be preserved. Hence it is most reasonable to suppose that he secured the stone when he had ample means to do so.
The Identity is really an important one. We have a stone, which, long before our identity with Israel was thought of, has been known for, years and years as “Jacob’s Stone.” It is an object of interest to thousands who visit Westminster Abbey, as seen under the Seat of the Coronation Chair, the Chief Seat of the Empire, and ever since its introduction to this country it has been used in the Coronation Services. Its account is historical, giving us another of the very many historical proofs we possess in support of our identity. Jeremiah and Baruch took it to Ireland at the time they took Tephi there, and replanted the kingdom of David. It was received into Ireland under the name of the “Lia Phail”, signifying a “precious stone”, or, as the word “Phail”, which in Hebrew, implies, “The Stone Wonderful.” Tephi, herself, who became the queen of Eochaid, was crowned upon it; so were all the monarchs to Fergus the First of Scotland, who had the stone taken there, and so were all the monarchs from Fergus to James the First, and from James the First to Victoria; and should there ever be another coronation with us, this “wonderful” stone will inevitably be used. Dean Stanley, who may be accepted as an authority upon this point, says of the stone in his “Memorials of Westminster Abbey”:
“The chief object of attraction, to this day, to the innumerable visitors of the Abbey is, probably, that ancient Irish monument of the Empire, known as the Coronation Stone.” — P. 66.
So that, as Israel must have with them a precious stone, it is interesting to know that we have such a stone; hence an identity.
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10 Markers of Israel
1. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Jer. 3:18; Isa. 49:12.
2. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.
3. Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.
4. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2nd Sam. 7:13,19; 1st Chron. 22:10; 2nd Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.
5. Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8,9.
6. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12.
7. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.
8. Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11
9. Israel to find the aborigines of colonized lands diminishing before them. Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12.
10. Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, "when rolls up to you all the wealth of the sea". That could not be unless Israel controlled it).
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Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 clearly tells of Israel's condition if they fall away from God's grace. They will be scattered around the world and suffer many tribulations.
Just as the prophesy stated the Israelites fell away from true worship and God visited upon them the Assyrians and the Babylonians who drove them from their homes and the Hebrews lost their lands and are scattered around the world. The prophecies continue as we speak because the scriptures tell us the suffering will continue until they are gathered back as God's people.
Are you going to address that and stop fooling around?
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This message board is Egypt search. My grandmother is Ukrainian Jew. Black people aren't derived from Hebrews. The only black people who are of Hebrew ancestry are some black groups from Asia and some tribes from Ethiopia. Those same people went into the caucus, southeastern europe, and eastern europe and that's why many Ukrainians are Jews. Their ancestry intermarried with the Jews from the caucus and those people weren't African.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Physical Descriptions of King David of Israel:
''So he sent and made him come in. Now he had red hair and beautiful eyes and pleasing looks. And the Lord said, Come, put the oil on him, for this is he.'' - 1 Samuel 16:12
And when the Philistine, taking note, saw David, he had a poor opinion of him: for he was only a boy, red-haired and good-looking
- 1 Samuel 14:42
Negroids don't have red hair, only white people do. The Israelites were not black.
^The scriptures doesn't say that.
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quote:Negro please, people ain't impressed with your hot air. You talk big but have nothing to back it up. Les' see, exaactly how are these bible authors 'lying' as you say? show us some proofs as to these 'lies'.
Go take a history class. They had to be lying about those fairly tales, because those groups (Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites) didn’t exist as polities until after 1000bc. That means Moses(~1450bc), just to give an example, couldn't have interacted with Edomite kings to ask them permission to cross their lands .
quote:If the authors were a 'fringe sect' how come Moses is the most honored prophet in Jewish history, and is revered by most of today's Jewish people, and is honored even in Christianity and Islam? How then exactly is Moses 'fringe'? you are so full of crap.
This is circular reasoning. You can’t use the fact that the world has adapted the fringe views of a fringe sect, to prove that the authors of the bible weren’t a part of that fringe sect, dummy. The inhabitants of Ancient Israel have produced many documents, many of which contradict eachother on fundamental points, hell, even the bible contradicts itself on fundamental points. The bible authors themselves document the trouble their sect was having throughout Israelite history, durinng their attempts to make the ''evil'' and ''sinful'' Jewish people conform to their ideological views. How are you going to explain those numerous texts away, was the bible wrong? LOL, now he’s telling people the bible is wrong.
quote:What would a punk ass like you know about 'battling it out'? You supposed to be gangsta?
Definitely not. But what I DO know, is that no ancient people who were a factor in terms of warfare, ever took passive agresssive revenge on other populations by lying in their writings how they exterminated them or that there was something wrong with their ancestors. Like I said, (most of) the historical documents that talk about Israel outside of the bible, are documents of other nations that are detailing how they put the smackdown on the Israelites (eg, Mesha stela, tell dan stela, Merneptah stele, Assyrian documents etc).
The military prowess the biblical authors boast about, and the so-called fear the whole world was supposed to have for them, were a bunch of fabricated lies. No historical document suggests the following was ever the case:
quote:This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven. They will hear reports of you and will tremble and be in anguish because of you." -Deuteronomy 2:25
^But of course, such scriptures wouldn't constitute propagandic fabrications/lies, used inflate the ego's of the members of this sect, would they? Of course not.
quote:So you are saying thing then than the hebrews didnt 'battle it out' or moses didn't 'battle it out' with various enemies? On what basis do you come up with this crap claim?
Dumbass, like I’ve said earlier on the 1st page of this thread, many of the locations mentioned in the bible as contemporary with the Exodus and Conquest of Canaan were either small settlements, or not inhabited. Do any of those conditions strike your uneducated brain cells as favorable for grand biblical scenes wherein powerful enemy kings, along with tens of thousands of men were defeated, and wherein women were enslaved and raped, cough cough, I mean taken as wives, under the watchful and winking eye or Yahweh? Indeed, funny how Energy nags on and on about biblical fairytales wherein the Hebrews were slaves, yet he ignores how they did it to others as well.
quote:Again my 'gangsta', all we hear is your crapulent hot air. where is your evidence? who were these hated rulers they 'fabricated' against, and show proofs of these 'fabrications'
Again, Morbid, there is no sense in debating you about this. You have done no research, and have no business addressing the research put forth, as you don’t even know your own bible, nor do you know about biblical archaeology. Go read a book, son.
quote:hey fabricated the story of Esau to get back at the Edomites' ] How so my 'gangsta', where is your proof? what parts are fabricated and what true? show the fabrications by biblical text, rabinnical text and archaeology
Morbidschi, why do the biblical authors always claim to have ancestors that were around to witness the ethnic origin of populations around them and/or hang out with them? No historical text ever talk about their own patriarchs hanging out with the patriarchs of other populations; this is only seen in mythical texts, eg, Greek heroes being the ancestors of so and so population. Go read a book Morbidschi.
quote:they fabricated the story of the curse of Cham' ] Puhleeze. can you demonstrate where moses made this curse on 'cham?' show moses saying this curse.
Can you demonstrate that Genesis was written in Moses’ time? To be able to answer your question, the illiterate assumptions lurking in it need to be addressed first. Provide evidence that (parts of) Genesis were written ~1440bc.
quote:'they fabricated the story of Lot's incestous relationship with his daughters to get back at the Moabites and the Ammonites.'] damn you are dumb. you keep talking about these fabrications, but let's see your evidence, not opinion. opinion don't count. Put up or shut up.
Moreshit, I don’t need to prove that the people West (Israelites), East (Ammonites and Moabites), and South (Edomites) of the Jordan river, Southwest of Judah (Midianites) and Southeast of Judah (Ishmaelites) didn’t originate from a single Mesopotamian man who lived ~2000bc (Terah). The people of those regions don’t have a common ancestor that lived 4000 years ago. Common sense is a healthy exercise, you should try it sometime.
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you are still ducking the question raised punk ass. You keep claiming all this lying and fabrication yet when called on your BS you punk out. Where are the textual criticisms andhistorians that can back up what you believe? All you have done so far is your hot air opinions, which you dance around putting up or shutting up. lookee here.
[[[[They had to be lying about those fairly tales, because those groups (Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites) didn’t exist as polities until after 1000bc. ]]]
This is one of the stupidest explanations. Edomintes, Moabites etc don;t have to exist as anything 'official' for them to be recognized by the Hebrews as tribal enemies. Rome was not an 'official' polity in the very beginning. before that it was tribes, who fought against other tribes. Who would have gone about establishing these 'polities' back in the day? If one tribe fights with another then the other tribe 'really' doesnt exist because they are not an official 'polity'? Puhleeze..
[[[You can’t use the fact that the world has adapted the fringe views of a fringe sect, to prove that the authors of the bible weren’t a part of that fringe sect]]]
Your reasoning is circular, and you are ducking my question, which is about par for the course for you. Again, if it were such a 'fringe' sect how come Moses is the most honored prophet in Jewish history, and is revered by most of today's Jewish people, and is honored even in Christianity and Islam? How then exactly is Moses 'fringe'? you are so full of crap. what makes your opinion anything special?
[[[This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven. They will hear reports of you and will tremble and be in anguish because of you." -Deuteronomy 2:25]]]
Every national leader exhorts the troops, whether it is by religion or by charisma. Before the Greeks or Romans went into battle commanders invoked the gods and gave pep talks to the ranks. This is history 101. So what? The leaders of a fighting force are not supposed to say anything to the troops? They just supposed to send them out singing kum bah yah? Negro puhleeze..
[[[The bible authors themselves document the trouble their sect was having throughout Israelite history, durinng their attempts to make the ''evil'' and ''sinful'']]
So what? this is nothing unusual with other people. In Socrates time a bunch of the leading philosophers complained about how they were disregarded, and the waywardness of the youth, etc. in Roman time, the priests of various temples blamed impiety for defeats, not paying due homage to the gods etc. None of that is anything unusual. you are just creating drama to fill your little mind, as if complaints by religious leaders about impiety are anything special in human history. Come off it.
[[[ ancient people who were a factor in terms of warfare, ever took passive agresssive revenge on other populations by lying in their writings how they exterminated them or that there was something wrong with their ancestors.]]
ha ha nice try.... are you serious? Read the history of Assyria, where enemies were cursed, the gods invoked against them etc, how opponents were condemned as weak or treacherous and deserved to be wiped ut etc.. Read the history of Rome and see what they said against Carthage. Then read what happened to the opponents of Assyria and Rome. You are trying to create all this big drama against the bible, like one of louie farrakhan bean pie sellers. You are no better than them, with your loud mouthed drama.
[[hy do the biblical authors always claim to have ancestors that were around to witness the ethnic origin of populations around them and/or hang out with them?]]
You simply have let the self generated drama blind you. Dig it. THe bible authors did not have to be physically around. They reported on persons and groups in the past. Can't you grasp this simple, basic fact? Everyone knows Moses wrote his books after events that had long taken place, reporting on what had gone before. If Abraham encountered the king of Sodom, then that was what moses wrote about. He did not have a tine machine to be 'around' at that time. You cannot even grasp such basics in your self-generated fury ar judaism and christianity.
[[[Can you demonstrate that Genesis was written in Moses’ time?]]]
Such works as the well know MacArthur's Quick Reference Guide to the Bible, and Battle for the Beginning by John Macarthur offers several historical and textual proofs. What I don't see is you providing anything but hot air to back up your claims.
[[[ don’t need to prove that the people West (Israelites), East (Ammonites and Moabites), and South (Edomites) of the Jordan river, Southwest of Judah (Midianites) and Southeast of Judah (Ishmaelites) didn’t originate from a single Mesopotamian man who lived ~2000bc (Terah).]]]
You do not even know what you are talking about, nor are you familiar with routine bible texts. Moab and Ammon are not direct descendants of Terah, nor is Israel, nor are the Midianites. . Nor are Ishmaelites. Aside from this elementary error you make, there is no rule saying that other groups did not take up the tribal names above as part of an extended clan system. Several groups could call themselves "Ishmaelites" for example though having only distant links. And conquered clans absorbed into a larger grouping often call themselves after the larger grouping in time, much as Etruscans ceased calling themselves that and began calling themselves Romans. routine occurrence worldwide. So a wide expansion of peoples with these names ins entirely possible.
You still aint made the grade my gangsta. all you have is childish fury at christianity, and loud mouthed opinion. That isnt worth anything, and the same Christianity you condemn now will stand as a judgment against you in a day to come. It is only a matter of time.
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quote:You keep claiming all this lying and fabrication yet when called on your BS you punk out. Where are the textual criticisms andhistorians that can back up what you believe?
Now you’re just lying like your beloved biblical authors. On the first page, I posted a quote from Finkelstein, who pretty much offers multiple lines of evidence that show that the Exodus and the Conquest couldn’t have happened. Where are your responses to that, Morbid?
quote:This is one of the stupidest explanations. Edomintes, Moabites etc don;t have to exist as anything 'official' for them to be recognized by the Hebrews as tribal enemies.
That’s where your beloved biblical authors messed up. See, their claims wouldn’t be as questionable if they left it at ‘’Edomite tribes’’. Instead they’re talking about Kings, controlling ’’THE land of the Edomites, Moabites and Ammonites’’ (Judges 11:17,18). Additionally, those populations are just examples, of where the biblical authors messed up. They talked about domesticated camels in Josef’s story when they weren’t even domesticated yet; they talked about Philistines when the archaeological/textual presence of such groups is absent. This all shows that the anachronisms pertaining to the Edomites, Ammonites and Moabites are part of a larger pattern of anachronistic phuckups needed to add juice to a fabricated story. Hence, your cry baby attempt to patch it up by bagatalizing the problem falls flat. Nice try, Morbid.
quote:you are ducking my question, which is about par for the course for you. Again, if it were such a 'fringe' sect how come Moses is the most honored prophet in Jewish history, and is revered by most of today's Jewish people, and is honored even in Christianity and Islam?
LOL. I’m just telling this Morebitch that his question is worthless, because it lacks valid reasoning, and then he says I didn’t answer his question. Damn right I didn’t answer it, because: You can’t use the fact that the world has adapted the fringe views of a fringe sect, to prove that the authors of the bible weren’t a part of that fringe sect, dummy.
quote:How then exactly is Moses 'fringe'?
Where did I claim moses was fringe? Produce a citation Morbid.
quote:Every national leader exhorts the troops, whether it is by religion or by charisma.
If your lazy ass would’ve taken the time to look up the passage, you would’ve known that passage wasn’t said in the context of boosting military morale. It was part of a conversation between Yahweh and Moses. Conclusion: the biblical authors made Yahweh say something to Moses that was never factual and will never BE factual. There hasn’t been a moment on this earth when this was the case:
quote:This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven. They will hear reports of you and will tremble and be in anguish because of you." -Deuteronomy 2:25
quote:So what? this is nothing unusual with other people. In Socrates time a bunch of the leading philosophers complained about how they were disregarded, and the waywardness of the youth, etc. in Roman time, the priests of various temples blamed impiety for defeats, not paying due homage to the gods etc. None of that is anything unusual.
Morebitch, the issue is not whether being ignored by your own people is usual or unusual, that’s just a red herring you keep throwing up, Morbid. You requested evidence for my position that the authors were considered a fringe by their society, and, apparently, your beloved biblical authors tacitly admitted it throughout the bible by their tales of how the Israelites kept going astray, and revering pagan idols. You wanted evidence, well, you got it, Now eat it up b!tch.
quote:ha ha nice try.... are you serious? Read the history of Assyria, where enemies were cursed, the gods invoked against them etc, how opponents were condemned as weak or treacherous and deserved to be wiped ut etc.. Read the history of Rome and see what they said against Carthage. Then read what happened to the opponents of Assyria and Rome. You are trying to create all this big drama against the bible,
Morebitch keeps acting like those counter examples are analogous to my pointing out that the Hebrews were systematic liars. You aint fooling nobody. Produce textual evidence documenting that Assyrians or Romans repeatedly and systematically lied about their victories. When the biblical authors say they won battles, there is no one to vouch for them. When the Egyptians/Assyrians/Romans won battles, news of it traveled over the entire world and contemporary scholars discussed such events. Israel’s claim to fame is being mentioned in other people’s lists of smitten enemies.
quote:You simply have let the self generated drama blind you. Dig it. THe bible authors did not have to be physically around. They reported on persons and groups in the past. Can't you grasp this simple, basic fact? Everyone knows Moses wrote his books after events that had long taken place, reporting on what had gone before. If Abraham encountered the king of Sodom, then that was what moses wrote about. He did not have a tine machine to be 'around' at that time. You cannot even grasp such basics in your self-generated fury ar judaism and christianity.
That is not the issue, you dumb piece of ****. Can you stay on topic for once? The question is why the bible is the only so-called historical document that has patriarchs of various populations hanging out together as if it’s possible that the patriarchs of different populations were contemporary, and knew each other.
quote:Such works as the well know MacArthur's Quick Reference Guide to the Bible, and Battle for the Beginning by John Macarthur offers several historical and textual proofs. What I don't see is you providing anything but hot air to back up your claims.
Again, only morbid brain dead idiots like you would find it logically sound that snippets of a disputed text are used to argue the validity of that text. Morebitch circular reasoning: that the bible authors in various places write their fabrications from the perspective of Moses, is evidence that Moses really wrote it. Another example of Morebitch reasoning: the fact that various modern people have accepted Tenach and its characters, is proof that all the ancient Hebrews accepted such writings and characters. Then the Morbitch character wonders why I’m not answering his morbid questions .
quote:You do not even know what you are talking about, nor are you familiar with routine bible texts. Moab and Ammon are not direct descendants of Terah, nor is Israel, nor are the Midianites. . Nor are Ishmaelites. Aside from this elementary error you make,
This is another example of your brain not working properly. There is nothing in the following sentence that allows for the reading that the mentioned populations were directly descended from Terah:
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: I don’t need to prove that the people West (Israelites), East (Ammonites and Moabites), and South (Edomites) of the Jordan river, Southwest of Judah (Midianites) and Southeast of Judah (Ishmaelites) didn’t originate from a single Mesopotamian man who lived ~2000bc (Terah).
quote:there is no rule saying that other groups did not take up the tribal names above as part of an extended clan system. Several groups could call themselves "Ishmaelites" for example though having only distant links.
Of course there is a rule saying that other groups did not take up such tribal names. That rule is the biblical authors’ own explicit admission that the world was repopulated anew from ~2500bc. In the view of the biblical authors, in the time of Abraham, there were no populations other than those mentioned in table of nations, dummy. When the biblical authors discussed nearby populations in Abrahams time, such incipient groups are listed as ’’descendants of Esau’’, ’’descendants of Lot’’, which further refutes your silly notion of ’’there is no rule saying other groups didn’t assimilate’’.
Back to the point of all of this; since the Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites and Israelites were not recent offshoots of a Mesopotamian man that lived ~4000 years ago, the patriarchs of each of those populations couldn’t have been one big family, and hence, the Hebrews couldn’t have been aware of intimate Ammonite/Moabite/Edomite patriarchic history, unless they fabricated it.
The curse of Canaan is another example of history that magically made its way to the memory of biblical authors, but not to the memory of other, surrounding populations, with much more ancient and elaborate traditions of ethnography/writing. Of course, the fact that they hated those populations, and thus, had motives for fabricating such events, has nothing to do with it, right?
quote:and the same Christianity you condemn now will stand as a judgment against you in a day to come. It is only a matter of time.
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One question Swenet, if the exodus story is a hoax as you claim, where did our ancestors get it to pass down to us? Look at the image below. Those people are celebrating their EXODUS history passed down the generations. Are all those millions lying and your Finkelstein (who was not even an eye-witness and just expressing an opinion) the only one telling the truth?
ANLO CELEBRATING HOGBETSOTSO (EXODUS) FESTIVAL IN SOUTH EASTERN GHANA [/qb][/QUOTE]
ANLO CELEBRATING HOGBETSOTSO (EXODUS) FESTIVAL IN SOUTH EASTERN GHANA [/qb]
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Background information: Ewe migration stories and the Hogbetsotso celebration
Ewe migration stories “The story is told in oral tradition of the Ewes in Ghana that in their migratory journeys to their present homes, probably the most important single step they took into the future had to be done walking backward. It is said again and again that to escape from tyranny of king Agokoli and the walled city of Notsie (in present-day Togo), the Dogbos, as they were then called, had to break out at night through a secret opening in the great wall and then proceed toward freedom by walking backward for a considerable distance from Agokoli” (Anyidoho, 2003:3).
In the above text, renowned scholar, poet and writer Kofi Anyidoho summarized one of the most famous versions of Ewe oral narratives of migration (usually defined as xotutu) in a very lively manner. He recounts how the Ewe escaped from Notsie and from the sufferings endured under the reign of King Agokoli I. The King assigned difficult tasks to the Ewe people; they had to build houses and the city wall with mud and pieces of glass, rock and thorns, and were severely punished if they did not obey him. Another impossible task assigned to the people was to produce a rope out of clay. The Ewe were finally able to escape thanks to a cunning plan suggested by one of the last elders still alive (since Agokoli had previously demanded the Ewe to kill their elders). The women —while washing— would throw water against one single spot of the city wall so that the wall would become softer and it would be possible to cut a hole in it. Women, children and older people escaped through the hole, while the younger men and drummers followed later on walking backwards so that nobody could see from their footsteps that they were leaving. Oral sources and archaeological remains suggest that a series of migrations started in the 11th century and that the present Ewe settled in Ghana in the early 17th century; the Ewe exodus was probably caused by the progressive expansion of other populations, probably the Yoruba (Amenumey 1997: 15-16; Gayibor and Aguigah 2005: 6-7). Lawrence (2005) gives a map of contemporary Ewe settlements spanning from the banks of the Mono River on the Togo-Benin borders to Ghana, where large Ewe communities live along the eastern side of Lake Volta and in the area around Keta Lagoon on the sea-coast (see also the map included in the present volume). Several xotutu versions agree that the Ewe moved westward from northern areas in present-day Benin and settled, following successive displacements and subdivisions, in what is nowadays Togo and eastern Ghana. Through genealogies of royal characters, narratives of migrations collected at Tado (along the Mono River) relate that Adja and Ewe peoples came from Ketu in Yoruba country, while narratives collected at Notsie (central Togo) recount another flow of migration from Tado to Notsie. The most frequently narrated story includes the episode with the King Agokoli and locates the Ewe ancestral home in Notsie. Some versions collected in Anlo-Ewe include the episode of the conflict between Agokoli and Sri, chief of the Dogbos in Notsie, what fuelled Agokoli’s harsh behaviour towards the Dogbos/Ewes. Other stories narrate incidents that took place after the Ewe departed from Notsie, such as the episode relating how the right to alternate succession to the Anlo stool (symbol of ritual and political authority) was established between the Bate clan and the Adzovia clan (Aduamah 1965: 5-6, 18-20). The theme of the conflict between generations, whether between king and elders or between father and son, is widely diffused in West African oral narratives (Paulme 1976, Görög-Karady 1995). Similarly, the motif of the ‘rope of clay’ is common in West African and Arabic narratives (Gayibor 1984: 31, Pazzi 1973: 24). In the Notsie narrative such themes are specified and localized: the episode when King Agokoli orders the elders to be killed highlights the political conflict between kingship and amega (council of elders) in a system in which the spiritual and political leader was usually secluded from public view and the council was the political power that communicated with the people. “A young foolish Agokoli seeks to rid himself of the confining advice of his elders by ordering all to be executed. His Ewe subjects, however, are successful in saving a few from death […] And it is the elders who successfully lead them [the Ewe] out of Notsie when they make their escape” (Greene 2002: 1035). If the solution offered in the Notsie narrative re-states the authority of the elders, other stories offer a more ambiguous discourse on seniority. For example, a version collected by Gayibor (1984: 27) recounts that one of the elders became drunk during a celebration and revealed the trick played by Ewe people to induce Agokoli to kill his own son. According to Sandra Greeve, the theme of elderly authority took up particular importance when social, political and economic changes during colonialism jeopardized the social system based on seniority. “Resistance to this change in the authority culture of the area took a number of forms, but perhaps the most interesting was the popularity of narratives that reinforced elderly authority” (Greene 2002: 1034). An intense interaction between oral and written xotutu versions has taken place since the colonial period. According to researchers Gayibor (1989), Sandra Greene, and Birgit Meyer (Greene 2002), the German missionaries who were active in the area since 1847 promoted not only linguistic standardization based on Anlo-Ewe language, but also the idea of a common origin of all Ewes from the city of Notsie. The xotutu versions identifying Notsie as the ‘original home’ were known in the Anlo area (present south-eastern Ghana) and became generally accepted since they were used for the reconstruction of Ewe migratory displacements in the missionary school readers. One of the first collected versions of the migration was offered in French translation by the Ghanaian priest Henry Kwakume (1951).
The belief that Notsie was the ‘original home’ of the Ewe was further strengthened by both political and religious movements (Gayibor 1989: 212; Greene 2002: 1035). The Ewe (pre-independence) nationalist movements referred to their common origin when they sought to include all Ewe-speaking peoples into one of the nations to be created after the end of European colonization. An important moment for the diffusion of such views was the rally organized at Notsie in 1956, on the occasion of the first Agbogbo (referring to Notsie’s wall) Festival, when the authorities reunited from all the Ewe-speaking areas decided to harmonize their historical narratives. On the other hand, following Greene (2002: 1035-36), “the Notsie narrative’s popularity was further enhanced during the colonial period among the ordinary and the average in the religion as a result of local efforts to make sense of their own traditions in light of the Biblical narratives introduced by the Bremen Mission. Instead of embracing the notion that they were the children of Ham who had diverted from the path of God and who needed the guiding hand of the missionaries to lead them back onto the road of righteousness, many among the Ewe associated their exodus from Notsie with the Jews’ escape from Egypt. The Ewes were not heathens but had been one with the Israelites”. Greene mentions a number of authors who favoured this interpretation, such as Mamattah 1979 and Fianu 1986. All these narratives of migration, whether orally transmitted or written down, give form to and convey knowledge of the Ewe land and community, crystallizing historical processes of identification through migrations, settlements, interactions with, and interpretations by different groups. The power of the Ewe migration narratives as a means to negotiate and create identity is still perceptible in the present times. An example is the re-enactment of the migration journey in the Hogbetsotso (see below). The interview with Dr. Datey-Kumodzie illustrates new ways in which the xotutu are activated and negotiated in the present globalized (and globalizing) world.
quote:Originally posted by Energy: cassiterides quick reply.
Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 clearly tells of Israel's condition if they fall away from God's grace. They will be scattered around the world and suffer many tribulations.
Just as the prophesy stated the Israelites fell away from true worship and God visited upon them the Assyrians and the Babylonians who drove them from their homes and the Hebrews lost their lands and are scattered around the world. The prophecies continue as we speak because the scriptures tell us the suffering will continue until they are gathered back as God's people.
Are you going to address that and stop fooling around?
LOL. Your entire 'identity' is based on the fallacious idea somehow black people suffer (when they never have)...
same old race card...
Can you explain how black people suffer, or ever have?
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Energy is a Fring liar and propagandist who plays the victim mentality n order to claim to be a Hebrew, his whole argument rests on Deut 28:68..
quote:28:68 Into Egypt - Which was literally fulfilled under Titus, when multitudes of them were carried thither in ships, and sold for slaves. And this expression seems to mind them of that time when they went over the sea without ships, God miraculously drying up the sea before them, which now they would have occasion sadly to remember. By the way - Or, to the way. And the way seems not to be meant here of the usual road - way from Canaan to Egypt, which was wholly by land, but to be put for the end of the way or journey, even the land of Egypt, for to this, and not to the road - way between Canaan and Egypt, agree the words here following, whereof I speak unto thee, thou shalt see it, (that is, Egypt) no more again. No man shall buy you - Either because the number of your captives shall be so great, that the market shall be glutted with you; or because you shall be so loathsome and contemptible that men shall not be willing to have you for slaves. And this was the condition of the Jews after the destruction of Jerusalem, as Josephus the Jew hath left upon record. Let us all learn hence, to stand in awe and not to sin. I have heard of a wicked man (says Mr. Henry) who on reading these threatenings, was so enraged, that he tore the leaf out of his bible. But to what purpose is it, to deface a copy, while the original remains unchangeable? By which it is determined, that the wages of sin is death: yea, a death more dreadful than all that is here spoken!
quote:There were several movings of them into Egypt after that time; an Heathen historian F23 tells us, that not a few thousands of Jews went into Egypt and Phoenicia, because of the sedition in Syria after the death of Alexander; and where, it seems, in process of time, they became slaves: for we are told by Josephus F24, that 120,000 slaves were set free by Ptolemy Philadelphus; but what is chiefly respected here is their case in the times of the Romans, and by their means. Now when Jerusalem was taken by Titus, those above seventeen years of age were sent by him to the works, or mines, in Egypt, as the same historian relates F25; and after their last overthrow by Adrian many thousands were sold, and what could not be sold were transported into Egypt, and perished by "shipwreck", or famine, or were slaughtered by the people F26 whereby this prophecy was literally and exactly fulfilled, and which is owned by the Jews themselves. Manasseh Ben Israel F1 observes, that though Vespasian banished the Jews into various countries, Egypt is only mentioned by way of reproach, as if it had been said, ye shall go captives into the land from which ye went out triumphant:
here are the references...
F23 Hecataeus apud Joseph. contr. Apion, l. 1. sect. 22. F24 Antiqu. l. 12. c. 2. sect. 1. F25 De Bello Jud. l. 6. c. 9. sect. 2. F26 Hieron. in Zech. ii. fol. 120. I. F1 De Termino Vitae, l. 3. sect. 3. p. 131, 132. F2 De excidio Urb. Hieros. l. 5. c. 47. p. 645. F3 Ib. p. 680.
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This Fringe cult which sprung from the equally fringe British Israelism cult depends on its followers to be unlearned and Ignorant of history.
Energy want to parrot the modern notion that Slavery was a Black Enterpise with white Slavers and Black Victims, unfortunately for Energy history tell a different story.
Scottish and Irish Slaves in America Fulfill Deut 28:68
"They refrain from drawing links to today, except to remind readers that there are probably tens of millions of Americans who are descended from white slaves without even knowing it."
The Irish were Sold like Cattle and POW in the Carribean...
The Proclamation of 1625 ordered that Irish political prisoners be transported overseas and sold as laborers to English planters, who were settling the islands of the West Indies, officially establishing a policy that was to continue for two centuries. In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas.
Although African Negroes were better suited to work in the semi-tropical climates of the Caribbean, they had to be purchased, while the Irish were free for the catching, so to speak. It is not surprising that Ireland became the biggest source of livestock for the English slave trade.
White Slaves in North Africa fulfill Deut. 28(They were taken in Slave ships)
White Slavery in North Africa...
quote:Most previously estimated slave counts have thus tended to be in the thousands, or at most in the tens of thousands. Davis, by contrast, has calculated that between 1 million and 1.25 million European Christians were captured and forced to work in North Africa from the 16th to 18th centuries.
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quote:“Enslavement was a very real possibility for anyone who traveled in the Mediterranean, or who lived along the shores in places like Italy, France, Spain and Portugal, and even as far north as England and Iceland,” he said.
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quote:France, England, and Spain each lost thousands of ships, and long stretches of the Spanish and Italian coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants. At its peak, the destruction and depopulation of some areas probably exceeded what European slavers would later inflict on the African interior.
So the question one has to consider is why "Energy" cherry picks his arguments and evidence and ignores anything that is a threat to his false anti-African cult.
quote:Originally posted by Energy: I clearly mentioned Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26.
quote:Originally posted by Energy:
Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 clearly tells of Israel's condition if they fall away from God's grace. They will be scattered around the world and suffer many tribulations.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] Energy is a Fring liar and propagandist who plays the victim mentality n order to claim to be a Hebrew, his whole argument rests on Deut 28:68..
He doesn't seem to understand that virtually every race, ethnic group etc has traditions of being Hebrews/Israelites. So his picture spams of some west african tribe doing an exodus dance doesn't amount to anything.
You can read the list of groups claiming descent here -
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This one of the few times I agree with you. If the truth be told Energy would admit that he cligs to this Hebrew lie for simple Racial Pride and to feel better about himself because African people are not represented and respected by the European establishment like the Hebrews are.(The same can be said about other Hebrewism Cults)
If Energy actually READ Torah he would know that anyone who follows the Laws of Torah and loves God can take part in the blessings of Abraham, but this is not enough for folks like Energy, What they want is the bogus "Prophecy" that Israel will rule the world in the new Kingdom...lol.
Its sad that such an ass backward, Bigoted people and their unoriginal plagerized cult is worshiped and idolized the world over. We should be studying Sumaria, Assyria, The Aztec, The Ghana, The Celts etc, You know people who actually set trends and changed history than trying to glamorize a bunch of Goat herding Bigots for 2000 yrs.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] Energy is a Fring liar and propagandist who plays the victim mentality n order to claim to be a Hebrew, his whole argument rests on Deut 28:68..
He doesn't seem to understand that virtually every race, ethnic group etc has traditions of being Hebrews/Israelites. So his picture spams of some west african tribe doing an exodus dance doesn't amount to anything.
You can read the list of groups claiming descent here -
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THINK about it people! What good is ancient Egypt to us? Forget about ancient Egypt. Let us focus on our Hebrew origins instead. So how do you explain the fact we are called Hebrews. How do you explain how our history is the same as the exodus story in the Bible? How do you explain our culture and traditions are the same as that of the Hebrews in the Bible? How do you explain our suffering wherever you find us on this planet? A phenomena that is in line with Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26?. How do you explain that we are spread around the world as the Bible prophecy predicted? And how do you explain the fact the EVIDENCE says we are the walking talking Hebrews but WE ARE BLACK?
Your whole thread premise is bogus. People can see you are playing it for parody but at least try to make it more believable. You still have not yet explained how West Africans became Hebrews "enslaved" 400 years in Egypt. What's taking you so long?
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quote:Originally posted by Energy: cassiterides quick reply.
Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 clearly tells of Israel's condition if they fall away from God's grace. They will be scattered around the world and suffer many tribulations.
Just as the prophesy stated the Israelites fell away from true worship and God visited upon them the Assyrians and the Babylonians who drove them from their homes and the Hebrews lost their lands and are scattered around the world. The prophecies continue as we speak because the scriptures tell us the suffering will continue until they are gathered back as God's people.
Are you going to address that and stop fooling around?
LOL. Your entire 'identity' is based on the fallacious idea somehow black people suffer (when they never have)...
same old race card...
Can you explain how black people suffer, or ever have?
Oh I see! You want blacks to pretend the following is all fallacious huh? It never happened, it's all in our head.
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^ Those Negroes hung were criminals (rapists, thieves etc). It was not only black people who were hung for their crimes. The Klan also punished many white people.
Also, there were far more white slaves in America than Black Africans. Check this work out-
Millions of white slaves (mostly Irish) were taken to America and forced to work in factories and so forth in terrible conditions.
Do these children look black to you?
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Those Negroes hung were criminals (rapists, thieves etc). It was not only black people who were hung for their crimes. The Klan also punished many white people.
Oh my bad! In the eyes of evil bastards like you all black people are criminals. But tell me cassiterides. what about white criminals? How come they did not get the same treatment you gave my brothers and sisters?
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HOW DARE YOU use the plight of my Forefathers and Foremothers to generate sympathy for your cult. You think Im scared of you, please.
You made a mistake thinking you can come here and insult African people and push your Jew-centric agenda and have the nerve to post images of my forefathers at the same time.
You made a mistake trying to parrot the tired Bullshit White Supremist Eurocentric lie that Africans were the only slaves in History and in America. You are a fraud with slave mentality kissing the feet of your white master.
quote:Originally posted by Energy: Hey Jari, you evil KU KLUX CLAN FUCKER.. I haven't forgotten you, so don't get comfortable. I will be coming for your sorry ass next.
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Today, most Red Legs have bad or no teeth due to poor diet and lack of dental care. Illnesses and premature deaths due to haemophilia and diabetes have left men blind and without limbs.
Hey Jari, you evil KU KLUX CLAN FUCKER.. I haven't forgotten you, so don't get comfortable. I will be coming for your sorry ass next.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: Bitch shut the **** up....
HOW DARE YOU use the plight of my Forefathers and Foremothers to generate sympathy for your cult. You think Im scared of you, please.
You made a mistake thinking you can come here and insult African people and push your Jew-centric agenda and have the nerve to post images of my forefathers at the same time.
You made a mistake trying to parrot the tired Bullshit White Supremist Eurocentric lie that Africans were the only slaves in History and in America. You are a fraud with slave mentality kissing the feet of your white master.
Listen BONEHEAD! I knew you were a DUNCE but it did not occur to me you were a fuckin RETARD as well.
How many times do I have to tell a LAME-BRAIN like you I have no idea or knowledge of this Black Hebrew Israelites nonsense you keep spewing?
Did you see anything about Black Hebrew Israelites in any post I make about the Hebrews? Last time I checked this Black Hebrew Israelites are a religious cult. I am talking about a race of people. Not some religious stuff. Listen up you mentally ill fool, there is an ocean of difference between the two. Race of people and religious cult ain't one and the same you BLOCKHEAD. Talk to me about stuff I am talking about not your fuckin agenda. You got that you freakin IDIOT .
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^^^^ You're simple minded ranting wont change the fact that what you uphold(Biblical Curses and Duet 28:68 Slave Ships to identify yourself as a Hebrew) is the same crap parroted by BHI. Further you can call yourself Elvis if you want it wont change the vast amount of evidence that proves your wrong.
Me, Kalonji, Lioness etc have debunked majority of your "Evidence" and Cassiterdes provided evidence of people the world over claiming Hebrew heritage. What makes you and your claims any different....OH THATS RIGHT YOUR WHOLE CURSES/SLAVE SHIPS B.S...the same B.S argument created by BHI.
You are not fooling anyone. Take your loss like a man, grow up and stop thinking like an inferior slave.
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^Lynchings never really had anything to do with crimes or rule of law. The courts were always functional. Rather Lynchings had to do with the Albino psyche.
American Albinos have always lived in fear of a general Black uprising. To counter this perceived threat, they turned to "Terror tactics" like Lynchings, to show Blacks that they were powerless, and that Whites were in charge, and would remain so.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: ^^^^ You're simple minded ranting wont change the fact that what you uphold(Biblical Curses and Duet 28:68 Slave Ships to identify yourself as a Hebrew) is the same crap parroted by BHI. Further you can call yourself Elvis if you want it wont change the vast amount of evidence that proves your wrong.
Me, Kalonji, Lioness etc have debunked majority of your "Evidence" and Cassiterdes provided evidence of people the world over claiming Hebrew heritage. What makes you and your claims any different....OH THATS RIGHT YOUR WHOLE CURSES/SLAVE SHIPS B.S...the same B.S argument created by BHI.
You are not fooling anyone. Take your loss like a man, grow up and stop thinking like an inferior slave.
Care to list blow by blow how any names, traditions you have stated refuting what I have stated about my people not being who they are?
Are you also called Erverh?
Do you have a history that matches anything stated in the Bible?
All I hear from you is twisting scripture and SPECULATIONS. So far I haven't read anything worth jack coming from you.
Oh about the rant. Its just to give you fair warning that you don't have a monopoly in that department. I have been civil and you take that to be a weakness. DON'T! Because when it comes to insults, you may start it but I assure you, I can give as good as I can take.
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quote:Care to list blow by blow how any names, traditions you have refuted about my people not being who they are?
Look at the past posts in this Tread. Lioness provided evidence explaining your "Passover" tradition and Kalonji has provided plenty other evidence.
quote:Are you also called Erverh?
Do you have a history that matches anything stated in the Bible?
All I hear from you is twisting scripture and SPECULATIONS. So far I haven't read anything worth jack coming from you.
LMAO, at the Irony of you saying someone is "Twisting Scriptures" you are a joke if you think what I provided is "Twisting Scriptures".
quote:Oh about the rant. Its just to give you fair warnin that you don't have a monopoly in that department. I have been civil and you take that to be a weakness. DON'T! Because when it comes to insults, you may start it but I assure you, I can give as good as I can take.
Bitch you threw slugs first...
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Hey Jari, you evil KU KLUX CLAN FUCKER.. [/QUOTE]Im a man, you throw slugs at me Im gonna send 20 back your way.
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quote:Originally posted by asante: Energy we are not Hebrews we are Africans give it up your starting to embarrass yourself
Asante, when you state "WE" who exactly are you speaking for? The last time I checked your name tells me you are Akan. When does an Akan and an Ewe(pronounced Erverh) constitute a "WE." The two have been bitter rivals from time immemorial so stop pretending otherwise.
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quote:Originally posted by asante: Energy we are not Hebrews we are Africans give it up your starting to embarrass yourself
Asante, when you state "WE" who exactly are you speaking for? The last time I checked your name tells me you are Akan. When does an Akan and an Ewe(pronounced Erverh) constitute a "WE." The two have been bitter rivals from time immemorial so stop pretending otherwise.
Because WE are both indigenous to africa and are dna is probably the same. The Irish and English have been enemies for 100's of years yet you would not consider them not to be Europeans would you.
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quote:Originally posted by Energy: Oh my bad! In the eyes of evil bastards like you all black people are criminals. But tell me cassiterides. what about white criminals? How come they did not get the same treatment you gave my brothers and sisters?
There are documentated cases of this time period where white people as well were punished for serious crimes. However there were far fewer of them for the simple reason Black people statistically commit far more.
You only have to look at the race & crime statistics online to see blacks commit the most crimes even today.
Lifetime chances of a person going to prison:
blacks (16.2%) and Hispanics (9.4%) than for whites (2.5%)
Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 28% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 16% of Hispanic males and 4.4% of white males
Sixty-five percent of state prison inmates are black, yet the black population of america is only around 13%.
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ANLO CELEBRATING HOGBETSOTSO (EXODUS) FESTIVAL IN SOUTH EASTERN GHANA
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quote:Background information: Ewe migration stories and the Hogbetsotso celebration
Ewe migration stories “The story is told in oral tradition of the Ewes in Ghana that in their migratory journeys to their present homes, probably the most important single step they took into the future had to be done walking backward. It is said again and again that to escape from tyranny of king Agokoli and the walled city of Notsie (in present-day Togo), the Dogbos, as they were then called, had to break out at night through a secret opening in the great wall and then proceed toward freedom by walking backward for a considerable distance from Agokoli” (Anyidoho, 2003:3).
In the above text, renowned scholar, poet and writer Kofi Anyidoho summarized one of the most famous versions of Ewe oral narratives of migration (usually defined as xotutu) in a very lively manner. He recounts how the Ewe escaped from Notsie and from the sufferings endured under the reign of King Agokoli I. The King assigned difficult tasks to the Ewe people; they had to build houses and the city wall with mud and pieces of glass, rock and thorns, and were severely punished if they did not obey him. Another impossible task assigned to the people was to produce a rope out of clay. The Ewe were finally able to escape thanks to a cunning plan suggested by one of the last elders still alive (since Agokoli had previously demanded the Ewe to kill their elders). The women —while washing— would throw water against one single spot of the city wall so that the wall would become softer and it would be possible to cut a hole in it. Women, children and older people escaped through the hole, while the younger men and drummers followed later on walking backwards so that nobody could see from their footsteps that they were leaving. Oral sources and archaeological remains suggest that a series of migrations started in the 11th century and that the present Ewe settled in Ghana in the early 17th century; the Ewe exodus was probably caused by the progressive expansion of other populations, probably the Yoruba (Amenumey 1997: 15-16; Gayibor and Aguigah 2005: 6-7). Lawrence (2005) gives a map of contemporary Ewe settlements spanning from the banks of the Mono River on the Togo-Benin borders to Ghana, where large Ewe communities live along the eastern side of Lake Volta and in the area around Keta Lagoon on the sea-coast (see also the map included in the present volume). Several xotutu versions agree that the Ewe moved westward from northern areas in present-day Benin and settled, following successive displacements and subdivisions, in what is nowadays Togo and eastern Ghana. Through genealogies of royal characters, narratives of migrations collected at Tado (along the Mono River) relate that Adja and Ewe peoples came from Ketu in Yoruba country, while narratives collected at Notsie (central Togo) recount another flow of migration from Tado to Notsie. The most frequently narrated story includes the episode with the King Agokoli and locates the Ewe ancestral home in Notsie. Some versions collected in Anlo-Ewe include the episode of the conflict between Agokoli and Sri, chief of the Dogbos in Notsie, what fuelled Agokoli’s harsh behaviour towards the Dogbos/Ewes. Other stories narrate incidents that took place after the Ewe departed from Notsie, such as the episode relating how the right to alternate succession to the Anlo stool (symbol of ritual and political authority) was established between the Bate clan and the Adzovia clan (Aduamah 1965: 5-6, 18-20). The theme of the conflict between generations, whether between king and elders or between father and son, is widely diffused in West African oral narratives (Paulme 1976, Görög-Karady 1995). Similarly, the motif of the ‘rope of clay’ is common in West African and Arabic narratives (Gayibor 1984: 31, Pazzi 1973: 24). In the Notsie narrative such themes are specified and localized: the episode when King Agokoli orders the elders to be killed highlights the political conflict between kingship and amega (council of elders) in a system in which the spiritual and political leader was usually secluded from public view and the council was the political power that communicated with the people. “A young foolish Agokoli seeks to rid himself of the confining advice of his elders by ordering all to be executed. His Ewe subjects, however, are successful in saving a few from death […] And it is the elders who successfully lead them [the Ewe] out of Notsie when they make their escape” (Greene 2002: 1035). If the solution offered in the Notsie narrative re-states the authority of the elders, other stories offer a more ambiguous discourse on seniority. For example, a version collected by Gayibor (1984: 27) recounts that one of the elders became drunk during a celebration and revealed the trick played by Ewe people to induce Agokoli to kill his own son. According to Sandra Greeve, the theme of elderly authority took up particular importance when social, political and economic changes during colonialism jeopardized the social system based on seniority. “Resistance to this change in the authority culture of the area took a number of forms, but perhaps the most interesting was the popularity of narratives that reinforced elderly authority” (Greene 2002: 1034). An intense interaction between oral and written xotutu versions has taken place since the colonial period. According to researchers Gayibor (1989), Sandra Greene, and Birgit Meyer (Greene 2002), the German missionaries who were active in the area since 1847 promoted not only linguistic standardization based on Anlo-Ewe language, but also the idea of a common origin of all Ewes from the city of Notsie. The xotutu versions identifying Notsie as the ‘original home’ were known in the Anlo area (present south-eastern Ghana) and became generally accepted since they were used for the reconstruction of Ewe migratory displacements in the missionary school readers. One of the first collected versions of the migration was offered in French translation by the Ghanaian priest Henry Kwakume (1951).
The belief that Notsie was the ‘original home’ of the Ewe was further strengthened by both political and religious movements (Gayibor 1989: 212; Greene 2002: 1035). The Ewe (pre-independence) nationalist movements referred to their common origin when they sought to include all Ewe-speaking peoples into one of the nations to be created after the end of European colonization. An important moment for the diffusion of such views was the rally organized at Notsie in 1956, on the occasion of the first Agbogbo (referring to Notsie’s wall) Festival, when the authorities reunited from all the Ewe-speaking areas decided to harmonize their historical narratives. On the other hand, following Greene (2002: 1035-36), “the Notsie narrative’s popularity was further enhanced during the colonial period among the ordinary and the average in the religion as a result of local efforts to make sense of their own traditions in light of the Biblical narratives introduced by the Bremen Mission. Instead of embracing the notion that they were the children of Ham who had diverted from the path of God and who needed the guiding hand of the missionaries to lead them back onto the road of righteousness, many among the Ewe associated their exodus from Notsie with the Jews’ escape from Egypt. The Ewes were not heathens but had been one with the Israelites”. Greene mentions a number of authors who favoured this interpretation, such as Mamattah 1979 and Fianu 1986. All these narratives of migration, whether orally transmitted or written down, give form to and convey knowledge of the Ewe land and community, crystallizing historical processes of identification through migrations, settlements, interactions with, and interpretations by different groups. The power of the Ewe migration narratives as a means to negotiate and create identity is still perceptible in the present times. An example is the re-enactment of the migration journey in the Hogbetsotso (see below). The interview with Dr. Datey-Kumodzie illustrates new ways in which the xotutu are activated and negotiated in the present globalized (and globalizing) world.
Daniela Merolla
Lioness I already addressed this in my earlier conversation with Brada Ananse.
Just in case you missed that discussion I am reposting it below.
quote:Originally posted by Energy: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Now I don't know if the local elders and folks agree with the above or not, but what if both type of exodus became merged in local tradition.
Btw this also gave lie to those who claimed no connections happened between the river valleys.
Brada I can answer that question for you right now. I am a HIGH PRINCE of my people and I speak for my family members and cousins that make up the Royal family and say YES WE DO. Most of them will agree with what I am saying.
The story of Notsi is coded. Not everyone knows the full story. Our peoples' exodus history did not happen in Notsi in Togo. It happened in Notsi elsewhere. That is a FACT.
Because of information not being recorded and passed down orally our people wrongfully assume a place called Notsi in Togo is where the exodus took place. That is not the case. The King of Notsi associated with the Hogbetsotso, called Agorkorli was created by the German colonial masters. Now most of our people don't know this fact. If they did, they will know for definite that the exodus story did not happen in Notsi in Togo. Just as I am telling you.
FYI our people name new locations after old ones. It is part of our tradition. For example we have a town called Amedzofe in Ghana, which means "Garden of Eden," in English. However, we all know the present Amedzofe (garden of Eden) is not the original location. The original was elsewhere. Another example is Ketu in Ghana. Again, we know the original ketu was in our old homeland in the Old Oyo Empire. The new Ketu is simply named after the capital of the Old Oyo empire. Thus, we don't assume because there is a Ketu in Ghana and Benin, those were original locations.
The main thing you have to understand is; we have the exodus story as part of our main history. On top of that we are called Erverh, which incidentally is the proper name of the Hebrews. In addition, we have traditions as recorded in the Bible. For instance we still have in our villages the tradition of marrying your brother's widow. We still have the circumcision as integral to our culture. We also still practice/carry out the sacrifices Moses laid out for the Israelites as they are recorded in the Bible. The list simply goes on. Others may claim to be Hebrews, but they can't prove it. They can only speculate. Only the real McCoy can have the name of the Hebrews as well as their traditions as standard part of their culture. And this we have in abundance.
FOR EMPHASIS and as a response to your posting LET ME REPEAT MY LAST RESPONSE TO BRADA ANANSE AGAIN:
The story of Notsi is coded. Not everyone knows the full story. Our peoples' exodus history did not happen in Notsi in Togo. It happened in Notsi elsewhere. That is a FACT.
Because of information not being recorded and passed down orally our people wrongfully assume a place called Notsi in Togo is where the exodus took place. That is not the case. The King of Notsi associated with the Hogbetsotso, called Agorkorli was created by the German colonial masters. Now most of our people don't know this fact. If they did, they will know for definite that the exodus story did not happen in Notsi in Togo. Just as I am telling you.
FYI our people name new locations after old ones. It is part of our tradition. For example we have a town called Amedzofe in Ghana, which means "Garden of Eden," in English. However, we all know the present Amedzofe (garden of Eden) is not the original location. The original was elsewhere. Another example is Ketu in Ghana. Again, we know the original ketu was in our old homeland in the Old Oyo Empire. The new Ketu is simply named after the capital of the Old Oyo empire. Thus, we don't assume because there is a Ketu in Ghana and Benin, those were original locations.
The main thing you have to understand is; we have the exodus story as part of our main history. On top of that we are called Erverh, which incidentally is the proper name of the Hebrews. In addition, we have traditions as recorded in the Bible. For instance we still have in our villages the tradition of marrying your brother's widow. We still have the circumcision as integral to our culture. We also still practice/carry out the sacrifices Moses laid out for the Israelites as they are recorded in the Bible. The list simply goes on. Others may claim to be Hebrews, but they can't prove it. They can only speculate. Only the real McCoy can have the name of the Hebrews as well as their traditions as standard part of their culture. And this we have in abundance.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: ^^^^ You're simple minded ranting wont change the fact that what you uphold(Biblical Curses and Duet 28:68 Slave Ships to identify yourself as a Hebrew) is the same crap parroted by BHI. Further you can call yourself Elvis if you want it wont change the vast amount of evidence that proves your wrong.
Me, Kalonji, Lioness etc have debunked majority of your "Evidence" and Cassiterdes provided evidence of people the world over claiming Hebrew heritage. What makes you and your claims any different....OH THATS RIGHT YOUR WHOLE CURSES/SLAVE SHIPS B.S...the same B.S argument created by BHI.
You are not fooling anyone. Take your loss like a man, grow up and stop thinking like an inferior slave.
Care to list blow by blow how any names, traditions you have stated refuted what I have stated about my people not being who they are?
Are you also called Erverh?
Do you have a history that matches anything stated in the Bible?
All I hear from you is twisting scripture and SPECULATIONS. So far I haven't read anything worth jack coming from you.
Oh about the rant. Its just to give you fair warning that you don't have a monopoly in that department. I have been civil and you take that to be a weakness. DON'T! Because when it comes to insults, you may start it but I assure you, I can give as good as I can take.
So you worship a god that doesn't intervene when your people have (supposedly) suffered for thousands of years...
Are you a satanist? Your god must be evil...
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quote:Originally posted by asante: Energy we are not Hebrews we are Africans give it up your starting to embarrass yourself
Asante, when you state "WE" who exactly are you speaking for? The last time I checked your name tells me you are Akan. When does an Akan and an Ewe(pronounced Erverh) constitute a "WE." The two have been bitter rivals from time immemorial so stop pretending otherwise.
Because WE are both indigenous to africa and are dna is probably the same. The Irish and English have been enemies for 100's of years yet you would not consider them not to be Europeans would you.
True our DNA is very much intermixed but we are still different people! I am sure you will agree we have different history. Same as Irish history is not English history. That is what separates the two people and separates everybody else on this planet. Akan history is not my history and vice versa. Surely you know this don't you?
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