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We Muslims are not like the Westerners who are–with a few exceptions–immoral fornicators and adulterers. Even though their own religious book condemns such things, they themselves are a society which revels in these things. Famous Western researchers, such as Alfred Kinsey and Glass & Wright, found that adultery occurs in 50-80% of all American marriages! And this propensity of Westerners to betray their spouses is one of the causes for their skyrocketing divorce rates and their broken home syndrome. Al-Hamdu Lillah, our Muslim children are obedient to their parents, and they are not rebellious like the Western children; and who can blame their children for acting that way when their parents are immoral fornicators and adulterers?
quote:Originally posted by Dalia*: We Muslims are not like the Westerners who are–with a few exceptions–immoral fornicators and adulterers. Even though their own religious book condemns such things, they themselves are a society which revels in these things. Famous Western researchers, such as Alfred Kinsey and Glass & Wright, found that adultery occurs in 50-80% of all American marriages! And this propensity of Westerners to betray their spouses is one of the causes for their skyrocketing divorce rates and their broken home syndrome. Al-Hamdu Lillah, our Muslim children are obedient to their parents, and they are not rebellious like the Western children; and who can blame their children for acting that way when their parents are immoral fornicators and adulterers?
Again a hater of the truth speaks!
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Oh again where IS that ROFL smiley when you need it!!
The truth? The truth is that the Arabs were one of the most lustful and barbaric pagans that ever walked the earth and they still are IMO.
They hide behind Islam while still preferring to have sex with young boys and fornicating their damned asses off all over the damn place. See them in Cairo and how much they pay in the belly dancing joints and for prostitutes! Go on yahoo chat and see how many sheikhs and Arabs want webcam sex! And they have the gall to come out with self righteous crap like this? BULLSHIT.
And what happened to the 4 witnesses to the ACT that you are supposed to have? in your blessed SHARIAH LAW
You know long ago when I was new to Islam I learned a LOT of hate towards Islam, all coming from people like you shisha, people who said they were muslim but preached hate and lies and hypocrisy. Alhamdulillah, instead of putting me off it made me LOOK, really LOOK and THINK.
You are among the blind, as they are. There are 'Muslim' rapists and fornicators all over your back yard but you turn a blind eye.
In my own flat during Ramadan, while all the so called Muslims were fasting, a man, a muslim in galabaya and turban, tried to force himself into my flat with his dick in hand! I answered my door fully dressed and covered from head to toe and this was before Iftar! Now tell me that muslims are bloody saints coz they damn well are NOT.
For Gods sake grow up and learn to think as a human and not a blind bloody sheep. HYPOCRITE!
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Sands, if the West is so immoral and sinful, why do Muslims flock to it in such large numbers?
How many Westerners do you see trying to go to the Middle East?
Very few, because the Middle East in general is a sh*t hole.
The FACT is Sands, the West has been the Seat of Knowledge and Power for Mankind for the last 3,000yrs starting with the Greeks, and now with the Americans.
You obsess over the West's weaknesses, yet turn a blind eye to your own.
Poverty, tyranny, corruption, backwardness, incessant violence, religious fanatacism, terrorism etc are all the hallmarks of YOUR SOCIETY.
I'll take so called "Western weaknesses" (adultery, immoral fornication etc) over yours ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
And so would the MILLIONS of Muslims that have come to the West in search of a better life..
~Alistair
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quote:Originally posted by Sic Luceat Lux: Wow Ayisha I am stunned
Now it's my turn..
Sands, if the West is so immoral and sinful, why do Muslims flock to it in such large numbers?
How many Westerners do you see trying to go to the Middle East?
Very few, because the Middle East in general is a sh*t hole.
The FACT is Sands, the West has been the Seat of Knowledge and Power for Mankind for the last 3,000yrs starting with the Greeks, and now with the Americans.
You obsess over the West's weaknesses, yet turn a blind eye to your own.
Poverty, tyranny, corruption, backwardness, incessant violence, religious fanatacism, terrorism etc are all the hallmarks of YOUR SOCIETY.
I'll take so called "Western weaknesses" (adultery, immoral fornication etc) over yours ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
And so would the MILLIONS of Muslims that have come to the West in search of a better life..
~Alistair
wow Alistair & Ayisha!
LOL
The Muslims don't go there for morals..they go to the west for MONEY! Show me the money!
You can't but help to take the Western weakness. It is part of you and your society..you too are a admitted fornicator!
Also Ayisha..you've got another kaffir joining ranks with you..Remember you are on the manhaj of the company you keep!..You have a lot of friends who are kaffireen.
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I can't top what Alistair and Ayisha said. It's the truth in totality.
Isn't it so interesting how Muslims like Sands defend the lashing of the rape victim and Shariah law but jump on the first opportunity to try and show the incidents and those like it as a lie...a conspiracy to make Islam look bad.?
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quote:Originally posted by humanist: I can't top what Alistair and Ayisha said. It's the truth in totality.
Isn't it so interesting how Muslims like Sands defend the lashing of the rape victim and Shariah law but jump on the first opportunity to try and show the incidents and those like it as a lie...a conspiracy to make Islam look bad.?
Did you guys read the ebook?..
The scum was an adulteress! Passing out nude pictures of herself. What part of that didn't you get! She was a slut! Maybe in your Western Civilized Countries it is fine, but not acceptable in Saudi Arabia or Islaam.
She was an Shi'a and a banana peel away from being a whore!
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quote:Originally posted by Somewhere in the sands:
quote:Originally posted by Sic Luceat Lux: Wow Ayisha I am stunned
Now it's my turn..
Sands, if the West is so immoral and sinful, why do Muslims flock to it in such large numbers?
How many Westerners do you see trying to go to the Middle East?
Very few, because the Middle East in general is a sh*t hole.
The FACT is Sands, the West has been the Seat of Knowledge and Power for Mankind for the last 3,000yrs starting with the Greeks, and now with the Americans.
You obsess over the West's weaknesses, yet turn a blind eye to your own.
Poverty, tyranny, corruption, backwardness, incessant violence, religious fanatacism, terrorism etc are all the hallmarks of YOUR SOCIETY.
I'll take so called "Western weaknesses" (adultery, immoral fornication etc) over yours ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
And so would the MILLIONS of Muslims that have come to the West in search of a better life..
~Alistair
wow Alistair & Ayisha!
LOL
The Muslims don't go there for morals..they go to the west for MONEY! Show me the money!
You can't but help to take the Western weakness. It is part of you and your society..you too are a admitted fornicator!
Also Ayisha..you've got another kaffir joining ranks with you..Remember you are on the manhaj of the company you keep!..You have a lot of friends who are kaffireen.
Oh Alistair..ask Ayisha why she reside with the Muslimeen in Egypt..LOL
Oh so its ok, to come and live with us completely immoral people, who have no regards for anything but animalistic sex with anything that moves, for MONEY? This shows how moral you are!
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quote:Originally posted by soozi: Oh so its ok, to come and live with us completely immoral people, who have no regards for anything but animalistic sex with anything that moves, for MONEY? This shows how moral you are!
If Muslims truly thought all this about us, no amount of money would make them move here - if they had an ounce of morals themselves. [/QB]
The truth hurts huh?..I've been to the UK (for business) many many times..Europe is screwed up..and yes sex is rampid, nudity is everywhere. So don't act like nobodys knows whats going on in that hell-hole.
Drugs, alcohol, gambling, murder, robbery, rape..come on!..It happens commonly and not something on a small level either!
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Yeah thats real life - sh*t happens, but its not prevalent and the majority of Europeans don't behave this way.
As Ayisha pointed out, some Arabs also behave this way. I guess some people from every nationality and religion are not the best people?! For you to believe that its only Westerners who are immoral shows either naivety or ignorance.
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quote:Originally posted by soozi: Yeah thats real life - sh*t happens, but its not prevalent and the majority of Europeans don't behave this way.
As Ayisha pointed out, some Arabs also behave this way. I guess some people from every nationality and religion are not the best people?! For you to believe that its only Westerners who are immoral shows either naivety or ignorance.
I'll take the naviety title vs ignorant.
The foul language from you and Alistair just lends credit to my position.
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I think everyone lost the plot in this thread - I should know as I am prone to losing the plot from time to time in certain threads.
The truth is very simple probably redundant in it’s essence but there are good and bad everywhere. This is true in Muslim nations and in western nations. I have had awful encounters in both societies –and wonderful in both.
America the epitome of western nations is one of the most humane and beautiful(as a society) – it should never be compared to Europe in terms of racism or intolerance. I have been to more than a dozen Muslim nations and in all honestly they are generally very ethical with some more than others.
Ultimately though it is individuals that make up the good and bad – there is no secret that I have a grudge against France for their racist treatment of French people of North African descent. But I will cede this fact – when there are anti-Zionist demonstrations and anti-Israel protests the Bulk of the protesters are French that are not Muslim. This information comes from French Muslims! So there are very good people there despite the racist aura of that nation. There is good and bad and i am not about to dictate percentages right now.
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quote:Originally posted by Somewhere in the sands:
quote:Originally posted by soozi: Yeah thats real life - sh*t happens, but its not prevalent and the majority of Europeans don't behave this way.
As Ayisha pointed out, some Arabs also behave this way. I guess some people from every nationality and religion are not the best people?! For you to believe that its only Westerners who are immoral shows either naivety or ignorance.
I'll take the naviety title vs ignorant.
The foul language from you and Alistair just lends credit to my position.
Ok, first off - you're right, and I apologise for my language - it is a family board, and in the religion section to boot - I'm sorry for that.
Secondly, you admit to being naive - so you admit that there are good Arabs and bad Arabs. Like there are good Westerners and bad Westerners?
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^^Hold on a second Ali – Sands makes a good point and unfortunately some of the children of the migrates (who migrated for money) succumb to what is deemed as immoral behavior by muslims (typical behavior in the west).
This is a huge dilemma facing almost every Muslim family in the west which has caused them to build a second home in their native countries. Many Muslims who have made their money are migrating back to their native lands – the newer migrates are those who are seeking new money or those who have no chance in hell of making something out of themselves in their own nations.
People may choose to mock it or not but Muslims are migrating for money and when they acquire enough many migrate back. The reason is they deem the west as a land of opportunity but a society tainted with lewdness. There is some truth to that if we are to be honest – the west has money and the Muslim world has less of it. The west is also much more perverse and lewd compared to Muslim nations.
In England they are practicing dogging (public oral sex by a woman on multiple stranger men) this is actually a little old now – but nevertheless it is very popular. This is just an example.
Let us please be objective.
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quote:Originally posted by Somewhere in the sands: Drugs, alcohol, gambling, murder, robbery, rape..come on!..It happens commonly and not something on a small level either!
honor killings, forced marriages, polygyny, kidnappings, beheadings, slavery, oppression, stoning, hatred of all other religions and cultures, lying, thieving, stealing, extortion, arrogance, tyranny, murder and general mayhem and ignorance...it happens commonly...
Pakistan was top of the list and the next 5, in order of internet porn use, were all islamic countries. (as shown in a study last year) So where's this high moral ground that the islamists think they occupy?
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quote:Originally posted by Sic Luceat Lux: Very few, because the Middle East in general is a sh*t hole.
The FACT is Sands, the West has been the Seat of Knowledge and Power for Mankind for the last 3,000yrs starting with the Greeks, and now with the Americans.
You obsess over the West's weaknesses, yet turn a blind eye to your own.
Poverty, tyranny, corruption, backwardness, incessant violence, religious fanatacism, terrorism etc are all the hallmarks of YOUR SOCIETY.
~Alistair
Sorry to interfere this useless argument,,because anyway I dont like this kind of discussions which is depending on the concept "We better than you..." from both sides,,As the human devolpment on earth was just came through specific people on specific land while any other people on anywhere else were useless on earth.
And it seem that lately ES are full of this kind of threads specially on the relgion section,,thats why many people on here prefer to be silent and not going in this sort of discussions,,Because its clearly there is a BIG problem with generalization,,and there is real conflict.
However,Iam nither with Sands nor with anyone else,I just wanted to clarify something about Alistair post,,Actually what you have said refer that you dont have any kind of clue about HISTORY of the earth specially in this words...
the West has been the Seat of Knowledge and Power for Mankind for the last 3,000yrs starting with the Greeks, and now with the Americans.
So If you care like to know something about H-I-S-T-O-R-Y then you have to watch the second movie on this thread...
which produced by non muslims,,And the rest of opinions in it by non muslim historians,,You will know that without Islamic civilization it wouldnt be something calling Western civilization,,And you will know that Middle East not a Sh*t Hole.
And since you said "WEST" I guess then you including Native American Civilizations as they were existed in West,,or you mean something specific by the word "WEST"????
All civilizations were depending on each other,,And no one is better than the other and all civilizations did seat knowledge and power for Mankind,,not just west or east!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Exiled: People may choose to mock it or not but Muslims are migrating for money and when they acquire enough many migrate back.
If this is true, why is the Muslim population in Europe exploding? Some are choosing to go back yes, but most are choosing to stay.
There are MILLIONS of Muslims in Europe now, aswell as in the U.S and their population is increasing, not diminishing.
This is the main reason for the cultural tension going on between native Europeans and Muslim immigrants.
quote:The reason is they deem the west as a land of opportunity but a society tainted with lewdness. There is some truth to that if we are to be honest – the west has money and the Muslim world has less of it. The west is also much more perverse and lewd compared to Muslim nations.
I agree that the West has become overtly sexualized, but you and Sands are exaggerating big time!
For example, this incident of "dogging." The way you present it, makes it seem as if every English woman is engaging in such behaviour, when in reality, it's very few. Maybe 1 out of every 5,000 women perhaps..
Anyway, the logic of my arguement stems from this.
The West is overtly sexualized to be sure. No one with a sane mind would deny this.
However, the Middle East is troubled with even GREATER afflictions!
Human rights abuse, corruption, poverty, religious extremism and intolerance, terrorism and general oppression are all RIFE in the Middle East.
In the end, no Society is perfect. It's really a matter of trading one sin for another... The West has it's advantages and disadvantages, and so does the Middle East.
However, just as we Westerners acknowledge our own weaknesses, the Muslim World should acknowledge it's own, and see that their Society isn't better than ours.
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Until reading this, I didn't even know what dogging meant! I knew it was lewd, but as to what it actually was, I had no idea!
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quote:Originally posted by *Misho*: All civilizations were depending on each other,,And no one is better than the other and all civilizations did seat knowledge and power for Mankind,,not just west or east!!!
Misho, I'm not saying other civilizations did not contribute to humanity. The Ancient Arabs were once amongst the most sophisticated and learned people on Earth, surpassing their Western counterparts for awhile even..
However, over the last 3,000yrs, no one can deny that the West has been the seat of knowledge and power in the World.
While other civilizations came and went, the civilizations in Western Europe flourished and grew mighty.
The fact is that Western Europe (France, Spain and the U.K in particular) dominated the Earth for hundreds of years speaks for itself, and now the U.S is the World's only super power with unsurpassed economic and military power!
Do you think this was mere happenstance?
I assure you, it was no accident!
Also, some civilizations are clearly better than others. You are obviously trying to be politically correct, when the truth of the matter speaks for itself.
If all Civilizations are equal, why are some more productive than others?
quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: Oh again where IS that ROFL smiley when you need it!!
The truth? The truth is that the Arabs were one of the most lustful and barbaric pagans that ever walked the earth and they still are IMO.
They hide behind Islam while still preferring to have sex with young boys and fornicating their damned asses off all over the damn place. See them in Cairo and how much they pay in the belly dancing joints and for prostitutes! Go on yahoo chat and see how many sheikhs and Arabs want webcam sex! And they have the gall to come out with self righteous crap like this? BULLSHIT.
And what happened to the 4 witnesses to the ACT that you are supposed to have? in your blessed SHARIAH LAW
You know long ago when I was new to Islam I learned a LOT of hate towards Islam, all coming from people like you shisha, people who said they were muslim but preached hate and lies and hypocrisy. Alhamdulillah, instead of putting me off it made me LOOK, really LOOK and THINK.
You are among the blind, as they are. There are 'Muslim' rapists and fornicators all over your back yard but you turn a blind eye.
In my own flat during Ramadan, while all the so called Muslims were fasting, a man, a muslim in galabaya and turban, tried to force himself into my flat with his dick in hand! I answered my door fully dressed and covered from head to toe and this was before Iftar! Now tell me that muslims are bloody saints coz they damn well are NOT.
For Gods sake grow up and learn to think as a human and not a blind bloody sheep. HYPOCRITE!
If I read what you wrote to my Christian Grandmother, she would instruct me to wash your mouth out with soap. You are flithy and the stuff that just flowed off your tongue and onto the keyboards is just what is expected from kaffireen.
The language you used is patheic and unbecoming of even a civilized human-being!
Shame on you Ayisha..shame, shame shame.
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"A few weeks ago, I met a friend of mine who had spent a lengthy period in Saudi Arabia. Although not a fundamentalist Islamist, he is quite a religious person. He told me that recently he went to Bangladesh and got his daughter married there. Now he is trying to bring his brand new son-in-law to Australia as a spouse of his daughter. I was very curious to know why is it that her daughter did not follow her husband to Bangladesh so that the new couple could raise a family in a proper Islamic environment. His answer was quite interesting. He said, "When we are in an Islamic society (like Bangladesh or Saudi Arabia), we do not like Islam. We like Islam when we are in a non-Islamic society (like Australia)". I must appreciate his honesty in telling his inner feelings about Islam. Is not his statement a great tribute to all the secularists and the freethinkers of the world?"
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quote:Originally posted by Exiled: People may choose to mock it or not but Muslims are migrating for money and when they acquire enough many migrate back.
If this is true, why is the Muslim population in Europe exploding? Some are choosing to go back yes, but most are choosing to stay.
There are MILLIONS of Muslims in Europe now, aswell as in the U.S and their population is increasing, not diminishing.
This is the main reason for the cultural tension going on between native Europeans and Muslim immigrants.
quote:The reason is they deem the west as a land of opportunity but a society tainted with lewdness. There is some truth to that if we are to be honest – the west has money and the Muslim world has less of it. The west is also much more perverse and lewd compared to Muslim nations.
I agree that the West has become overtly sexualized, but you and Sands are exaggerating big time!
For example, this incident of "dogging." The way you present it, makes it seem as if every English woman is engaging in such behaviour, when in reality, it's very few. Maybe 1 out of every 5,000 women perhaps..
Anyway, the logic of my arguement stems from this.
The West is overtly sexualized to be sure. No one with a sane mind would deny this.
However, the Middle East is troubled with even GREATER afflictions!
Human rights abuse, corruption, poverty, religious extremism and intolerance, terrorism and general oppression are all RIFE in the Middle East.
In the end, no Society is perfect. It's really a matter of trading one sin for another... The West has it's advantages and disadvantages, and so does the Middle East.
However, just as we Westerners acknowledge our own weaknesses, the Muslim World should acknowledge it's own, and see that their Society isn't better than ours.
In fact, it's markedly worse in many respects!
~Alistair
quote:If this is true, why is the Muslim population in Europe exploding? Some are choosing to go back yes, but most are choosing to stay.
There are MILLIONS of Muslims in Europe now, aswell as in the U.S and their population is increasing, not diminishing.
This is the main reason for the cultural tension going on between native Europeans and Muslim immigrants.
My reply pertained to Muslim in America - but nowhere have i stated that hordes of Muslims are not seeking opportunity in the West.
quote: I agree that the West has become overtly sexualized, but you and Sands are exaggerating big time!
For example, this incident of "dogging." The way you present it, makes it seem as if every English woman is engaging in such behaviour, when in reality, it's very few. Maybe 1 out of every 5,000 women perhaps..
Anyway, the logic of my arguement stems from this.
The West is overtly sexualized to be sure. No one with a sane mind would deny this.
However, the Middle East is troubled with even
I am not exaggerating anything please TRY to look at it from a Muslim perspective the West is run afoul with perversion, rape, teen pregnancy, murder, gang activity and drugs - the streets are literally not safe at night in MANY neighborhoods - not the case in the Muslim world. I mean NYC will have the lowest number of Murders this year at 500 (murder level of the '60s)that is like the murder total for SEVERAL MUSLIM countries alone.
quote:GREATER afflictions!
Human rights abuse, corruption, poverty, religious extremism and intolerance, terrorism and general oppression are all RIFE in the Middle East.
In the end, no Society is perfect. It's really a matter of trading one sin for another... The West has it's advantages and disadvantages, and so does the Middle East.
However, just as we Westerners acknowledge our own weaknesses, the Muslim World should acknowledge it's own, and see that their Society isn't better than ours.
In fact, it's markedly worse in many respects!
Most of these are related to corrupt governments and not to society - we are talking about societies aren't we?
Human rights - government related
Corruption - government related
General oppression - government related
Terrorism - is terrorism the world all over and many could argue that the greatest terrorists are occupiers and this is a separate discussion because the average person does not usually deal with this unless they are in occupied lands - middle eastern nations that is.
Religious extremism is the equivalent of the right wing fanatics in the media and in Washington and again this is political.
Intolerance - where? Where is it not more apparent than in Europe because Arabs welcome anyone and everyone.
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quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: The truth? The truth is that the Arabs were one of the most lustful and barbaric pagans that ever walked the earth and they still are IMO.
They hide behind Islam while still preferring to have sex with young boys and fornicating their damned asses off all over the damn place. See them in Cairo and how much they pay in the belly dancing joints and for prostitutes! Go on yahoo chat and see how many sheikhs and Arabs want webcam sex! And they have the gall to come out with self righteous crap like this? BULLSHIT.
Sexual Harassment, When Children Suffer in Silence Hayat Al-Ghamdi, Arab News
ABHA, 29 October 2007 — Sex abuse is not something new, especially when it concerns children. However, in Saudi Arabia child sex abuse has only recently started to be discussed in public with most victims preferring to suffer in silence, Samira Al-Ghamdi, a Saudi psychologist, told Arab News.
Al-Ghamdi said that children could also be at risk at home if one of the parents or a close relative is a sex abuser. She added that there is an upsurge in families seeking advice from different governmental bodies linked to the Ministry of Social Affairs in how to help their abused children live normal lives.
“There are several forms of sex abuse. It could be verbal, physical or emotional. Emotional sex abuse would involve something like allowing or forcing a child to watch porn movies or by letting him look at erotic underwear to raise his passion,” said Al-Ghamdi.
According to the Saudi health professional there are several ways to ascertain whether a child has suffered sexual abuse without directly asking the concerned child. “Parents tend to bring to doctors children who suffer from anxiety, or who continuously cry and urinate,” she said. “Sometimes, such children refuse to go to school or meet certain people. These are all signs indicating that the child may be being sexually abused,” she said.
“We send such children to clinics to ensure he or she has not been physically or sexually abused. If we see physical signs proving our assumptions then we investigate the case,” she said, adding that if it transpires that the parents were involved then they would lose custody of the child.
“The child would be sent to social institutions that take care of abused children and the courts would take action against the parents,” she said.
“However,” Al-Ghamdi said, “People do not openly talk about this issue because they consider it a taboo. This does not mean that sex abuse has not been occurring in the past. Rather this is something that has existed in our society for a long time. It is only that people are now willing to talk about it because there are government bodies that support victims and take action against abusers.”
Children that are handsome, beautiful, have straight hair, soft and fair skin, and a healthy body are more like to be sexually abused, said the psychologist. She added that children, in general, are more likely to be victims of sex abuse because they are weak and cannot fight back or protect themselves.
“A lack of awareness and an unrestricted opening up to the world has increased the occurrence of sex abuse in the Kingdom,” said Al-Ghamdi, adding that many people believe that parents cannot abuse their own children.
“However, I have seen many cases that show otherwise. I know of one case in which a father raped four of his own daughters,” said Al-Ghamdi, adding that the father was caught, prosecuted and sent to jail. His daughters were then taken into the care of a charity organization.
Al-Ghamdi said health professionals are not authorized to inform the authorities about cases of sex abuses if parents are not willing to take the matter further. However, in cases where the parents are the abusers, then Haila Al-Qahtani, a sociologist, said that sex abuse is widespread and that domestic disputes and a high rate of divorce in the Kingdom is among the causes of different types of abuse. “The Saudi community used to be a closed one. However, with globalization things have changed. Parents are busy and have no time to educate their children about sex,” said Al-Qahtani, adding that, for children’s safety, parents need to be more open and talk to their young children about the issue.
Al-Qahtani added that children that are abused in their early years develop behavioral problems. “Mothers feel shy when talking to their children about sex. However, they fail to understand that such children end up getting the wrong information from different sources, including friends and the Internet,” she said.
Al-Qahtani added that, according to statistics, people who are sexually abused as children become sexual predators later in life. “Children as young as eight and nine are known to harass women. These children may have been abused themselves or affected by sexually explicit movies,” she said.
The psychologist added that she herself has dealt with several abuse cases, including that of an 11-year-old girl, who was molested but not raped by a Bengali worker in a public toilet. “The family of the girl lodged a complaint against the worker, who was given 150 lashes and sent back to his country,” said Al-Qahtani.
Al-Qahtani said that among the worst cases she has seen is that of a four-year-old boy, who was sexually abused by an uncle and a family driver. “The mother, who used to go to university every day, was concerned that her son would often fall unconscious and would continuously cry. She took him to a doctor and was told that her son was being abused. She later figured out that her own brother and driver were the abusers,” said Al-Qahtani.
Parents are also known to abuse their own children. “A five-year-old boy was forced by his father to watch porn videos, which the father claimed would help him become a real man,” said Al-Qahtani, adding that according to a survey in 1414 AH, 947 children at various charity organizations in the Kingdom had come there having been sexually abused.
More families are now aware of the seriousness of the issue and there are more mothers that are now willing to warn their children against potential sexual abuse that they may face.
Um Abdullah, an educational supervisor at the Ministry of Education, said she was transferred from Jeddah to Abha a few years ago but returned to Jeddah after her children were sexually harassed. “One day three of my children went to a shop. They came running home and told me that the shopkeeper was urging them to come inside into a back room and that they were scared of the way he looked at them,” said Um Abdulllah, adding that the family driver molested her son. In the end she moved back to Jeddah.
Asma, an 11-year-old schoolgirl, was also sexually abused by the family driver. Her mother told Arab News, “She was shy and could not tell me about. She didn’t know what was happening. She only later told me when her nine-year-old sister was abused in a public park.”
The mother, who asked her name not be published, said her elder daughter only realized what had happened to her when her sister was abused and the authorities became involved. “Our driver had been abusing her for some time,” said the mother.
Up to 70% of files exchanged between Saudi teenagers' mobile phones contain pornography, according to a study in the ultra-conservative Muslim kingdom.
The study quoted in Arab News focussed on the phones of teenagers detained by religious police for harassing girls.
The same researcher also found that 88% of girls say they have been victims of harassment using Bluetooth technology.
Saudi Arabia has toughened penalties for misuse of mobile phones which challenge its strict social traditions.
"The flash memory of mobile phones taken from teenagers showed 69.7% of 1,470 files saved in them were pornographic and 8.6% were related to violence," said report author Professor Abdullah al-Rasheed.
He presented his study at a seminar organised by the King Fahd Security Academy, Arab News reports. Social contact between genders is banned in public in Saudi Arabia, which enforces a strict interpretation of Islamic law and morality.
But the spread of Bluetooth technology, allowing wireless connection between mobile phones, has allowed for increased opportunities of communication as well as abuse by predatory young men.
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I give Saudi credit for bringing this problem to the forefront and planting the appropriate seeds in the minds of parents about the potential for sex abuse.
There surely must be moderate minded Saudis who find their whole judicial system warped and extreme...,especially with regard to the treatment of women. When will these moderate voices begin to rise?
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quote:Originally posted by Somewhere in the sands: If I read what you wrote to my Christian Grandmother, she would instruct me to wash your mouth out with soap. You are flithy and the stuff that just flowed off your tongue and onto the keyboards is just what is expected from kaffireen.
The language you used is patheic and unbecoming of even a civilized human-being!
Shame on you Ayisha..shame, shame shame. [/QB]
No its not me thats filthy, the truth is filthy, the fact you turn a blind eye to this is filthy.
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I agree with Exiled in regards of overal picture.
I agree with Sands in regards of overal sexualization in west ( it's terrible )
Islam doesn't allow rape so no matter who did it and for what reason it's always wrong.
I think it happens in both societies, however when we speak of Muslim world we speak of so many cultures, different countries and 5 continents.
When we speak of western world we speak of so many cultures, different countries, and 5 continents.
To me people who have issues accepting other people's way of life are ethnocentric if they claim their culture is The Standard against which we all have to measure the values.
I don't like that, for that reason I do reject those who can't see the values of cultures others than their own. It's so unhealthy to always focus primarily on things that are bad.
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The fair minded, decent Muslims of this world literally have to be shamed into confronting the ideaological barbarians that have done so much damage to their religon and their people...and can't even see it.
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quote:Originally posted by humanist: Well thank God!
The fair minded, decent Muslims of this world literally have to be shamed into confronting the ideaological barbarians that have done so much damage to their religon and their people...and can't even see it.
Yes and i think i should give it it's thread.
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"Saudi Justice Minister Abdullah bin Muhammed al-Sheik told al-Jazirah newspaper that the pardon does not mean the king doubted the country's judges, but instead acted in the "interests of the people."
"The king always looks into alleviating the suffering of the citizens when he becomes sure that these verdicts will leave psychological effects on the convicted people, though he is convinced and sure that the verdicts were fair," al-Jazirah quoted al-Sheik as saying."
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