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Originally posted by the lioness,:
MNQOBI on Behance. The open mouth makes it more interesting I think, like he's saying something

Did you base this on a skull?
What is the medium you use? How do you start creating this?

the nose looks a little similar to this type:

https://www.kenniskennis.com/pestera-cu-oase/

this one has underbite teeth

https://www.kenniskennis.com/neanderthal-krijn/

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I relied mostly on Joel Irish and Marta Mirazón Lahr's descriptions.

My tools? Photoshop and a Wacom tablet.

I did look at this skull [below] as a reference — which is all one can do — given the tools.



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Good work.

I'm a bit perplexed though. You can't possibly just be some guy/gal from off the street. How long have you been doing reconstructions?


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@TRPL_DRKNSS, I'm looking ay the lip and chin area an also the forehead and there is a lot of fine detail, several kinds of skin crease lines, many of the, and a lot of various skin textures, also fine individual hairs on the eyebrows

Are there technical tricks to get that level of detail or do you have to spend hours and hours doing each of those tiny details?

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I'm a bit perplexed though. You can't possibly just be some guy/gal from off the street. How long have you been doing reconstructions?

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[qb] @TRPL_DRKNSS, I'm looking ay the lip and chin area an also the forehead and there is a lot of fine detail, several kinds of skin crease lines, many of the, and a lot of various skin textures, also fine individual hairs on the eyebrows

Are there technical tricks to get that level of detail or do you have to spend hours and hours doing each of those tiny details?

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so if you are using photo sources, how many different ones did you use to make that one face?

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Look at these three abandoned Natufian reconstructions below. Look carefully at the noses‚ it's actually several noses stacked atop other noses until you get the "right shape" [similar to music production] ... and also‚ no single‚ modern population will have all the traits of a certain prehistoric population within their morphophenotypic range‚ right? So you might have to sample something from Papuans and Australians‚ and something else from the Inuit‚ etc.






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Ridiculous and biased. Proper forensic reconstructions of iberomaurusians show very different results and physically the closest people to them were western hunter-gatherers especially the specimen from Oberkassel.

As for natufian, are you at least aware many modern arabs score as much as 70% natufian ancestry ?

What's the point of making artistic, inaccurate and biased reconstructions ?

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I know there is a bit of artistry with reconstructions but why does the jaw not seem as pronounced as? I recall seeing a Nigerian woman with a similarly strong jaw,Ikponwosa Ero.

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Ridiculous and biased. Proper forensic reconstructions of iberomaurusians show very different results and physically the closest people to them were western hunter-gatherers especially the specimen from Oberkassel.

As for natufian, are you at least aware many modern arabs score as much as 70% natufian ancestry ?

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Louise Humphrey‚ one of the authors of the 2018 Taforalt study‚ said‚ "I am not aware of any detailed forensic facial reconstructions for the Iberomaurusians."

As for the Natufians‚ according to Marc Haber et al. (2019)‚ Yemenis from Maarib have "increased Natufian
(Epipaleolithic hunter-gatherers) ancestry compared with the Lebanese" and this increased Natufian ancestry is "comparable to the ancestry present during the Bronze Age in the distant Northern regions of the Near East" when "more than half of the Northern Levantine gene pool was replaced" by Eurasian-steppe related admixture (Eirini Skourtanioti et al.‚ 2020) .

With all that said‚ have a look at the photo below of a "Coloured" South African from Cape Town; this population harbours some of the oldest human ancestry [Khoikhoi and San]‚ at the highest levels‚ yet many of them look like the modern North Africans and could even pass for Southern Europeans


Interestingly‚ South Africans from the Late Pleistocene are said to have looked more like "early modern human specimens from Europe rather than Holocene San populations from the same region" (Crevecoeur et al.‚ 2015)

Humans are shapeshifters. Nobody alive today looks like a Natufian or an Ibero-Maurusian or Cro-Magnon.

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Louise Humphrey‚ one of the authors of the 2018 Taforalt study‚ said‚ "I am not aware of any detailed forensic facial reconstructions for the Iberomaurusians."

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Here one made by E.Daynes



Here with the accurate skin color :




16k years old iberomaurusian reconstruction based on the "warping" method :



one from the neolithic period :




Ancestralwhisphers made also two reconstructions (you can find his methodology on his site) :




Anthropologists note strong similarities with the german oberkassel remains :

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On the other hand, certain affinities with the European cromagnoid men (notably Obercassel man) have been noted: craniofacial disharmony, shortening of the face, morphology of the orbits and the gonia region, development of the chin eminence, high stature, etc. The relationship of the Mechta-Afalou group must be sought towards the Men of the European Upper Paleolithic and not towards the Mesolithic Men of the Near East , in particular the Natufians of Palestine, towards whom the morphological differences are considerable.

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(Epipaleolithic hunter-gatherers) ancestry compared with the Lebanese" and this increased Natufian ancestry is "comparable to the ancestry present during the Bronze Age in the distant Northern regions of the Near East" when "more than half of the Northern Levantine gene pool was replaced" by Eurasian-steppe related admixture (Eirini Skourtanioti et al.‚ 2020) .

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Why do you bring levantines ? When I say "arabs" I was talking about modern day peninsular arabs who score between 60-70% natufian ancestry :



so if natufians were as black looking as you portrayed them then we should have expected arabs to look somewhat black/mixed.

Here natufian reconstruction by ancestralwhisper :

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Originally posted by TRPL_DRKNSS: With all that said‚ have a look at the photo below of a "Coloured" South African from Cape Town; this population harbours some of the oldest human ancestry [Khoikhoi and San]‚ at the highest levels‚ yet many of them look like the modern North Africans and could even pass for Southern Europeans


Interestingly‚ South Africans from the Late Pleistocene are said to have looked more like "early modern human specimens from Europe rather than Holocene San populations from the same region" (Crevecoeur et al.‚ 2015)

Humans are shapeshifters. Nobody alive today looks like a Natufian or an Ibero-Maurusian or Cro-Magnon.

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For my reconstruction‚ I mostly used the skull (below) as a reference:

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With all that said‚ have a look at the photo below of a "Coloured" South African from Cape Town; this population harbours some of the oldest human ancestry [Khoikhoi and San]‚ at the highest levels‚ yet many of them look like the modern North Africans and could even pass for Southern Europeans

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The same man Trevor Manuel

Minister of Finance from 1996 to 2009, during the presidencies of Nelson Mandela, Thabo Mbeki and Kgalema Motlanthe, and also as Minister in the Presidency for the National Planning Commission from 2009 to 2014 under Zuma.

Trevor Manuel was born in Kensington (Cape Town), during the apartheid era and was classified as a Cape Coloured. His mother, Philma van Söhnen, was a garment factory worker, and his father, Abraham James Manuel, was a draughtsman. According to Manuel's "family legend", his great-grandfather was a Portuguese immigrant; he had married an indigenous Khoekhoe woman.

I think it's stupid how under Apartheid they include indigenous Khoi or San as "Cloureds" with any other mixture, like someone Bantu-European.
But these classifications have become tradition.
I hope the government changes that (unless they already have on paper, I don't know)



Trevor Manuel, 80s

It's possible one of Trevor Manuel's great grandmothers was Khoi but I can't tell by looking.
And if his great grandfather had a Khoi wife she might not be the only one he had a child with.
If he is part Khoi, it's 12.5% genetically



Sometimes he appears more tanned
To me he looks Portuguese but he might pass for Moroccan but I don't know it that well.
It's funny here how he looks a little yellowish
but more orangey in the other photo. I think that may just be due to different camera, lighting and the amount of tanning he has at a given moment

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Interestingly‚ South Africans from the Late Pleistocene are said to have looked more like "early modern human specimens from Europe rather than Holocene San populations from the same region" (Crevecoeur et al.‚ 2015)

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I hadn't heard that before, that refers to this skull (it's not in great shape)




The Hofmeyr Skull is a specimen of a 36,000-year-old anatomically modern human skull that was found in 1952 near Hofmeyr, South Africa.

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^ a well known geneticist who studies the Iberomausurians showed this skull in a slide presentation and I see it on various websites but I looked hard and can't find more detailed information about what site it's from...

This site calls it a Capsian skull but I don't know if it is correct

https://memim.com/capsian-culture.html

this Jstor article shows the skull and probably has a reliable identification but I don't have access >>

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41492636

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This is from the JStor article you shared above:
(Ancestral Whispers describes it as "robust caucasoid")

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Interestingly‚ South Africans from the Late Pleistocene are said to have looked more like "early modern human specimens from Europe rather than Holocene San populations from the same region" (Crevecoeur et al.‚ 2015)

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I hadn't heard that before, that refers to this skull (it's not in great shape)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Hofmeyr_Skull.jpg https://elmuseumscience.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/fin-whale_3.jpg?w=353&h=471

The Hofmeyr Skull is a specimen of a 36,000-year-old anatomically modern human skull that was found in 1952 near Hofmeyr, South Africa.

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According to F. E. Grine (2007) the Hofmeyr specimen's "strongest morphometric affinities are with Upper Paleolithic Eurasians rather than recent, geographically proximate people." Isabelle Crevecoeur (2009) places Hofmeyr — alongside Nazlet Khater 2 and Oase 2 — "within the European and North African Upper Paleolithic ranges of diversity." (Ron Pinhasi (2000) also sees "strong associations" between some South African specimens and Nazlet Khater). According Aurélien Mounier (2019) the Florisbad specimen from South Africa "shares the most phenotypic affinities" with the statistically estimated "hypothetical virtual Last Common Ancestors (vLCAs) to all modern humans"

As for "Coloured" folks here in South Africa‚ most embrace that classification and don't see it as pejorative. I suppose all identities are imposed from the top down. I didn't choose to be Zulu‚ it was decided in 1815‚ I believe‚ when Shaka Zulu decided to form a federation of Nguni clans/tribes.

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Louise Humphrey‚ one of the authors of the 2018 Taforalt study‚ said‚ "I am not aware of any detailed forensic facial reconstructions for the Iberomaurusians."

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Here one made by E.Daynes

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Do you accept the final results of Élisabeth Daynès' "detailed forensic facial reconstructions" as accurate? Is it art or pure science?

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Here with the accurate skin color :

https://i.imgur.com/esjyCl5.jpg?1

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16k years old iberomaurusian reconstruction based on the "warping" method :

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I tried your "warping" method‚ and these were the results :

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Ancestralwhisphers made also two reconstructions (you can find his methodology on his site) :

https://i.imgur.com/LIqjvUU.png?1
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I couldn't find any "methodology" on their website‚ I presume they use commercial photo editing software — they don't do "detailed forensic facial reconstructions." Some of their work is highly questionable (British Mesolithic‚ Western Hunter-Gatherers‚ etc.); and is actually contradicted by Kennis & Kennis‚ who don't rely on Photoshop.

I will stop here for now‚ I seem to have exceeded the number of photos I can post...(I've also exceeded my patience )

(Every single Élisabeth Daynès reconstruction has pale skin — regardless of historical period — except for homo erectus‚ who is consistently dark-skinned )

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The reconstruction method that we're using is largely based on Gerasimov's 1955 book, which provides data with soft tissue estimations, possible nose shapes based on the nose bridge of the skull, plenty of cranial measurements as well their reconstructions with detailed explanation. Gerasimov's book was revolutionary for the time, and ever since then his students have been perfecting the method, while up to date technology allowed us to predict soft tissue thickness with even better precision.

In this page we'll be delving deeper into the facial reconstruction process. As an example, we'll be reconstructing the famous Sungir1 skull. The cranial measurements for Sungir1 as well as the skull itself can be found in "The People of Sunghir" by Erik Trinkaus, Alexandra P. Buzhilova, Maria B. Mednikova, and Maria V. Dobrovolskaya.

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When the samples used in Fig. 1 are compared by the use of canonical variate plots as in Fig. 2, the separateness of the Niger-Congo speakers is again quite clear. Interestingly enough, however, the small Natufian sample falls between the Niger-Congo group and the other samples used. Fig. 2 shows the plot produced by the first two canonical variates, but the same thing happens when canonical variates 1 and 3 (not shown here) are used. This placement suggests that there may have been a Sub-Saharan African element in the make-up of the Natufians (the putative ancestors of the subsequent Neolithic), although in this particular test there is no such evident presence in the North African or Egyptian samples

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This is particularly well documented when the 18 variables are used to generate a plot of the first two canonical variates as shown in Fig. 4. In this figure, one can see a clear link between the Niger-Congo sample and the Natufians. The Prehistoric/Recent Northeast African sample also has a subsequent link to the Niger-Congo sample in Fig. 3. Yet the D2 values in Table 3 show that it is slightly closer to Late Prehistoric Eurasia than to the Algerian Neolithic, Modern Europe, and Modern Mediterranean and that it is farthest from the Niger-Congo, the Natufians, and the Basques.

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This is nothing inaccurate about the Natufian reconstruction. Natufian in all their heterogeneity have crania containing elements that reach WELL WITHIN the spectrum of Recent/Modern Niger Congo speakers.

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When the samples used in Fig. 1 are compared by the use of canonical variate plots as in Fig. 2, the separateness of the Niger-Congo speakers is again quite clear. Interestingly enough, however, the small Natufian sample falls between the Niger-Congo group and the other samples used. Fig. 2 shows the plot produced by the first two canonical variates, but the same thing happens when canonical variates 1 and 3 (not shown here) are used. This placement suggests that there may have been a Sub-Saharan African element in the make-up of the Natufians (the putative ancestors of the subsequent Neolithic), although in this particular test there is no such evident presence in the North African or Egyptian samples

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This is particularly well documented when the 18 variables are used to generate a plot of the first two canonical variates as shown in Fig. 4. In this figure, one can see a clear link between the Niger-Congo sample and the Natufians. The Prehistoric/Recent Northeast African sample also has a subsequent link to the Niger-Congo sample in Fig. 3. Yet the D2 values in Table 3 show that it is slightly closer to Late Prehistoric Eurasia than to the Algerian Neolithic, Modern Europe, and Modern Mediterranean and that it is farthest from the Niger-Congo, the Natufians, and the Basques.

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As show by Brace et al 93

You can argue they "didnt have Sub Saharan Ancestry" but this has no bearing on how they LOOKED, similar to early human remains around the globe who share affinities with Sub Saharan Africans in crania, skin and Hair morphology.

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The body shape of the terminal Pleistocene Jebel Sahaba population is tropical-adapted, with elongated limbs, especially in the distal segments, and is most similar to living sub-Saharan Africans and less similar to late Pleistocene and Holocene North Africans (including Egyptians and Nubians). The sample’s body shape likely
reflects elevated gene flow up the Nile Valley from areas further south, but may also be due in part to the tropical hot conditions present at the site, even during glacial periods. The Jebel Sahaba sample are distinct in body shape from penecontemporary humans from Afalou-BouRhummel (Algeria) and El Wad Natufians from the southern Levant—a result consistent with the results of both Irish (2000, 2005) using dental data and Franciscus (1995, 2003) using nasal data.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/oa.2315

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In contrast to the local Upper Palaeolithic relationships of the Natufian population of the Levant, the North African remains from Afalou and Taforalt indicate possible influences from sub-Saharan Africa at that time.

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Have you considered doing colored versions of these reconstructions? I know that B/W images can sometimes present a misleading view of people's skin tones, especially under certain lighting (hence why Native Americans with light brown skin sometimes appear darker in old photos).

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Louise Humphrey‚ one of the authors of the 2018 Taforalt study‚ said‚ "I am not aware of any detailed forensic facial reconstructions for the Iberomaurusians."

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And like I said modern arabs can score as much as 70% natufian ancestry yet are far from looking black

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Consider the photo below. This man is more than 50% European (Italian father & Afro-American mother)‚ possibly may be even 65% European‚ or more‚ when you consider the average 13% European ancestry in Afro-Americans (as much European ancestry as there is Natufian ancestry in some of your Yemeni samples)



This is his father:



Patricia Smith and Ofer Bar-Yosef have described the Epipaleolithc Natufians as "of short to medium stature, with males averaging 165 cm and females 152 cm in height ... Their skulls were also dolicocephalic, with large cranial capacity; broad, shortfaces ; prominent zygoma; and a tendency to alveolar prognathism ... The mandibles are characterized by low, broad rami with short body length and deep symphyses..."
Drastic changes in morphology then occured‚ according to Israel Hershkovitz (2017) ‚ and many others‚ (from the Upper Paleolithic to the Neolithic) due to changes in subsistence strategy: transition from hunting-foraging to farming and eating mostly vegetables; even more morphological changes were introduced in the Early Bronze Age when pastoralists with Eurasian Steppe ancestry came to dominate the region.
You ask why I brought up the Levant? Well‚ as I already pointed out‚ Southern Yemenis descend from Bronze Age Levantines‚ who had had more than half their ancestry replaced by populations from the North. From an evolutionary perspective — as opposed to an ideological and nationalistic stance — it's easy to see how Natufians went from being robust and dark-skinned to being gracile and light-skinned‚ from the Upper Paleolithic to the Bronze Age to modern times.

Here's a draft of a Natufian reconstruction I'm still working on...I may complete it in a few days‚ I might not:

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I couldn't find any "methodology" on their website‚
They describe how they do the reconstructions with an example:

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The reconstruction method that we're using is largely based on Gerasimov's 1955 book, which provides data with soft tissue estimations, possible nose shapes based on the nose bridge of the skull, plenty of cranial measurements as well their reconstructions with detailed explanation. Gerasimov's book was revolutionary for the time, and ever since then his students have been perfecting the method, while up to date technology allowed us to predict soft tissue thickness with even better precision.

In this page we'll be delving deeper into the facial reconstruction process. As an example, we'll be reconstructing the famous Sungir1 skull. The cranial measurements for Sungir1 as well as the skull itself can be found in "The People of Sunghir" by Erik Trinkaus, Alexandra P. Buzhilova, Maria B. Mednikova, and Maria V. Dobrovolskaya.
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This is all a fancy way of saying they use Photoshop. There's no "science" in any of this.

Johannes Krause and Chris Stringer and Ian Barnes are simply not convinced that this is how the tropically-adapted Upper Palaeolithic ancestors of Cheddar Man would have looked:



I'm not ignoring anybody else's comments‚ I'm simply exhausted. This site is rather difficult to navigate.

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the average 13% European ancestry in Afro-Americans (as much European ancestry as there is Natufian ancestry in some of your Yemeni samples)

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This is all a fancy way of saying they use Photoshop. There's no "science" in any of this.

Johannes Krause and Chris Stringer and Ian Barnes
are simply not convinced that this is how the tropically-adapted Upper Palaeolithic ancestors of Cheddar Man would have looked:

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The dry skull breadth of Sungir1 was 144mm, porion bregma height - 118mm, bizygomatic - 142mm, bigonial - 106mm. Taking that into account, we can get an approximation of how much soft tissue we need to add to the skull. Aside from the soft tissue data given in Gerasimov 1955, other more up to date data can be found in "РЕКОНСТРУКЦИЯ ВНЕШНЕГО ОБЛИКА ЕВРЕЕВ БИБЛЕЙСКИХ ВРЕМЕН С ТЕРРИТОРИИ ИЗРАИЛЯ" by T.S Balueva, E.V Veselovskaya, E.D Kobylianski, A. Arensburg:

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Note that the previous graph is based on European averages. Each individual skull will ultimately have its own soft tissue thickness. The calculations are to be adjusted based on the given averages. Once the data is calculated, we then can draw the outlines of the skull. Sungir1 was a big game hunter, so very strong masseter muscles are typical for his kind, we also know from old Soviet analyses that Sungir1 diet was rich in meat, thus we'll be giving him powerful jaw muscles. The finished sketch will then be the base for the reconstruction.

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Next step is pigmentation prediction. Sungir1 is an Upper Paleolithic specimen, so dark skin, dark hair and brown eyes are typical for his kind, but since Sungir DNA is sampled, we can also do a hirisplex analysis to be completely sure.

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As predicted, Sungir1 turned out to be quite pigmented. The next step is to use the acquired data in GAN, and after that is done, photoshop is required to make sure his facial features match the traits of the skull. A side shot of the skull is very useful for this, here's a list of some of the traits that the skull exhibits: Powerful and long jaw, good forehead protrusion with visible browridge outlines, and not so projecting nose.

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After some time in GAN and Photoshop we're left with a good reconstruction. Last step is to add the hair and a bearded version. We'll be going for the wavy Cro-Magnon hair here. We are then left with this end result:

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Sungir1 skull and reconstruction

Pigment prediction

Sungir1 skull: Larger image

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The people of the Iberomaurusian culture once encompassed most of North Africa. They stood at 170-175cm on average and exhibited robust caucasoid features. Modern natives of North Africa largely descent from these hunter-gatherers.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

Plastered Natufian Jericho skull 9,600 BC,
at right British Museum reconstruction of it

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I did use the Jericho skull as a reference‚ in the beginning:


but in the end I went with the skull below (from Patricia Smith's article):

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Originally posted by Archeopteryx:
Did you use any actual skull measurements to your picture? Did you compute things like tissue deep and similar?

Seems the people at Ancestry whisperer did some computing of tissue deep after Gerasimov and others. Which scientific methodology did you use?

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After some time in GAN and PHOTOSHOP we're left with a good reconstruction.

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My bro‚ all this gobbledygook about Soviet mathematical formulae that can predict soft tissue is laughable in my opinion‚ and designed to play down the fact that they use Photoshop and some AI software (have you seen the quality of AI art or AI colourisation???)

At least the Kennis brothers who do actual clay modelling have the integrity to admit that they "only looked at the pictures in the books..." and "made clay models of drawings or we copied drawings of fossils and skulls." They don't pretend to be guided by obscure mathematical formulae. They use their own observation (which is what science is about) and artistic judgment.

I try to read the descriptions of specialists in the field‚ and look at photos of crania‚ and match them to my reconstructions:



Pardon the aggressive language‚ it is not personal at all.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:


Basically Haynes depiction resembles a North Western European. His skin is quite light for a North African and Edwin's depiction resembling closely, a Mexican Arab
I doubt there was any genetic information on hair type. I think the Philip Edwin version has reduced the lips size slightly and removed most of the lower jaw protruding underbite in the unfinished model.
The way the nose points down like that, I'm not sure they can predict that from a skull
Edwin also reduced the bulging brow ridge that is on the model, a feature in some early humans

Elisabeth Daynes'
other work, the fine art:
https://www.elisabethdaynes.com/contemporary-art-works/

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Originally posted by Archeopteryx:
Here is a version from Ancestral Whispers

https://i.ibb.co/8gfGCKX/Mechta-Afolou.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/KhmMsst/Mechta-Afolou-AW-sm.jpg

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The people of the Iberomaurusian culture once encompassed most of North Africa. They stood at 170-175cm on average and exhibited robust caucasoid features. Modern natives of North Africa largely descent from these hunter-gatherers.

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https://ancestralwhispers.org/reconstructions/mechta

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In my earlier response above‚ I tried to account for the radical morphological changes that occurred in the Levant with the transition from hunting-foraging to sedentary farming and to pastoralism.

Ancestral Whispers has Northwest African hunter-gatherers going from this:


to this:


without a radical change in subsistence strategy‚ diet.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
there is some funny stuff on this Ancestral Whispers site:

https://ancestralwhispers.org/pricing

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just $40 to $500 per reconstruction>

https://ancestralwhispers.org/pricing

they do maps too

https://ancestralwhispers.org/maps/genetic-maps

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For $500 they will tell you what you want to hear. I think this is one of the reasons Élisabeth Daynès's work (which is exhibited all over Europe) depicts all early humans as looking like modern Europeans — except for primitive human species like Homo Erectus and Homo Ergaster‚ they are depicted with dark skin ... Ironically‚ according to José María Bermúdez de Castro & María Martinón-Torres "Homo antecessor exhibits most of the derived morphological features related to the modem-like face, as well as a derived (sapiens) facial growth remodeling pattern and modem pattern of dental development." Chris Stringer says this H. Antecessor morphology "probably evolved and re-evolved several times in human evolution." Johannes Krause thinks modern human facial morphology is almost indistinguishable from Homo Erectus

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nature is: fractal‚ generative‚ recursive‚ ...

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