Here is a video with a man that 3D printed his own skull. It would be an interesting experiment to let different reconstruction artists try to recreate his looks (without having seen him or any photos of him).
On Gerasimov's plastic facial reconstruction technique: new insights to facilitate repeatability
Herbert Ullrich 1, Carl N Stephan Affiliations expand PMID: 21342188 DOI: 10.1111/j.1556-4029.2010.01672.x
Abstract Gerasimov's plastic facial reconstruction method is notoriously difficult to repeat from the published literature. Primarily, this is because of the method's underlying qualitative basis but other factors contribute including: misreports in the secondary literature of Gerasimov's method essence; a lack of published details concerning Gerasimov's modeling mastic; Gerasimov's deviation from his own published nose projection prediction guidelines; and continued refinement of the methods in the 15 years following their foremost publication. As Gerasimov cannot be consulted to resolve these issues, we provide solutions via one of his five former principal students. This includes clarification of Gerasimov's method and use of soft tissue depths; the constitution of his modeling mastic; methods used for nose projection prediction; and refinements made to his methods following their primary publication.
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quote:Originally posted by Antalas: [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb]
And like I said modern arabs can score as much as 70% natufian ancestry yet are far from looking black
Bruh, you cant be this dull. The study is not Debunked nor "Outdated". Its a study on cranial variables. The study you posted i believe deals with limb proportions. There are populations both ancient and modern from the Levant, Southern Arabia, India, Oceania, East Asia and the surrounding islands as well as the Americas that LOOK like Sub Saharan Africans without having a close relations to them. I have tried to drive this through your thick skull but you keep letting it leak out. You CANT do a PHYSICAL reconstruction based on a GENETIC variant found in modern people because that genetic variation PRECEDES that modern phenotype and originated among a different phenotype. This has been proved time and time again by looking at the cranial affinities of the earliest Genetically sampled individuals.
Thus Natufian can look "Black" and have cranial affinities grouping them with Niger Congo Speakers while having NO Niger Congo Ancestry.......similar to Papuans, Similar to Melanesians, Similar to Early Americans, similar to nearly every upper paleolithic skeleton.
If I may add:
South African populations from the Middle Pleistocene‚ represented by the 259‚000 year-old Florisbad partial cranium‚ show Australasian affinities according to Aurélien Mounier ; and probably even had straight hair according Lucinda Backwell. Even Late Pleistocene South Africans‚ represented by the 36,000-year-old Hofmeyr cranium‚ share "strongest morphometric affnities with Upper Paleolithic Eurasians" but are "more distant from recent sub-Saharan African populations‚" according to F. E. Grine
According to Katerina Harvati‚ the 35‚000 year-old Iwo Eleru specimens from West Africa (which exhbit a mosaic of archaic/plesiomorphic/basal and modern/derived traits — like their contemporaries in Southwest China)‚ most closely resemble an Australian female‚ when compared with living populations.
Crevecoeur also observes some osteological resemblances between Late Pleistocene Ishango specimens from Central Africa and Andamanese Islanders‚ and some "stronger affinities with Middle Paleolithic specimens from Qafzeh and Skhul rather than with recent, chronologically and geographically closer modern human populations."
Lastly‚ Tsuneiko Hanihara points out that Early Iranians share craniofacial features with modern Black South Africans‚ and cautions that "morphological traits do not necessarily reflect the genetic background."
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quote:Originally posted by beyoku: Bruh, you cant be this dull. The study is not Debunked nor "Outdated". Its a study on cranial variables. The study you posted i believe deals with limb proportions. There are populations both ancient and modern from the Levant, Southern Arabia, India, Oceania, East Asia and the surrounding islands as well as the Americas that LOOK like Sub Saharan Africans without having a close relations to them. I have tried to drive this through your thick skull but you keep letting it leak out. You CANT do a PHYSICAL reconstruction based on a GENETIC variant found in modern people because that genetic variation PRECEDES that modern phenotype and originated among a different phenotype. This has been proved time and time again by looking at the cranial affinities of the earliest Genetically sampled individuals.
Thus Natufian can look "Black" and have cranial affinities grouping them with Niger Congo Speakers while having NO Niger Congo Ancestry.......similar to Papuans, Similar to Melanesians, Similar to Early Americans, similar to nearly every upper paleolithic skeleton. [/QB]
The second paper was about craniometry... I can add this too :
quote: All of the Natufian dental samples are significantly different from the late Pleistocene Nubian dental sample.
Joshua G. Lipschultz, Who were the natufians? A dental assessment of their biological coherency
the same late pleistocene nubians who showed strong affinities with niger-congo people...
I'm not denying that some old populations might have shared common phenotypic traits with SSAs without being necessarily related to them but in the case of natufians that's too recent, doesn't seem to be in line with the datas and despite what you wrote I still don't see how it's possible for arabs to look the way they do while supposedly most of their ancestors could look like niger-congo people (these similarities might only be found on very specific traits only or else I don't see how that's possible). Look at horners too like eritreans they are rich in natufian ancestry yet clearly look like a ME-SSA mix as we should expect. Natufians didn't look like what he did here. Ancestralwhispers did a better job imo :
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Ancestral Whispers has Northwest African hunter-gatherers going from this:
to this:
without a radical change in subsistence strategy‚ diet.
SMH mechtoids were part eurasian not fully aterian and that's due to back migrations
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From the Briggs Maghreb thread:
V.b is a Mechta female.
What was the deal with mtDNA haplogroup L2 north of Sahra clear to Iberia about 20,000 years ago iirc?
EDIT oops forgot to img tag the url, corrected little point in the post w/o the pic
Ancestral Whispers has Northwest African hunter-gatherers going from this:
to this:
without a radical change in subsistence strategy‚ diet.
SMH mechtoids were part eurasian not fully aterian and that's due to back migrations
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The Late Pleistocene Eastern Eurasianancestors of those back-migrating Western Eurasians were morphologically closer to “modern Africans and Sri Lankan Veddah than to modern Asians and Europeans‚” according to Hirofumi Matsumura. You are‚ of course‚ aware that gene variants associated with the modern East Asian phenotype — thick straight hair and light skin — begin to show up in East Asia in the early Neolthic‚ according to Xiaoming Zhang; in North Africa "European SNPs associated with light pigmentation" start to show up in the late Neolithic; and in parts of Western Europe as late as the Bronze Age‚ according to Johannes Krause. David Lambert says the cranial morphology of Upper Paleolithic Eurasians is "statistically very close to Aboriginal Australians and Papua New Guineans" and they had dark skin. I'm sure you dispute the findings of all these specialists.
So‚ with those facts in mind‚ I ask again: how do you mix an Aterian and an Upper Paleolithic Eurasian and end up with a modern Iranian wrestler? This individual does not look convincing at all as a 'biracial' — no matter how light or dark-skinned his Eurasian-descended mother might've been.
(No disrespect to Iranians‚ by the way‚ every Iranian I've ever so far has turned out to be very pleasant)
As late as the Bronze Age you still have Iranians sharing craniofacial features with modern Black South Africans‚ so Epipaleolithic Natufian crania having Niger-Congo affinities shouldn’t surprise anyone.
This is getting long so let me end it ...
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The Late Pleistocene Eastern Eurasianancestors of those back-migrating Western Eurasians were morphologically closer to “modern Africans and Sri Lankan Veddah than to modern Asians and Europeans‚” according to Hirofumi Matsumura. You are‚ of course‚ aware that gene variants associated with the modern East Asian phenotype — thick straight hair and light skin — begin to show up in East Asia in the early Neolthic‚ according to Xiaoming Zhang; in North Africa "European SNPs associated with light pigmentation" start to show up in the late Neolithic; and in parts of Western Europe as late as the Bronze Age‚ according to Johannes Krause. David Lambert says the cranial morphology of Upper Paleolithic Eurasians is "statistically very close to Aboriginal Australians and Papua New Guineans" and they had dark skin. I'm sure you dispute the findings of all these specialists.
So‚ with those facts in mind‚ I ask again: how do you mix an Aterian and an Upper Paleolithic Eurasian and end up with a modern Iranian wrestler? This individual does not look convincing at all as a 'biracial' — no matter how light or dark-skinned his Eurasian-descended mother might've been.
(No disrespect to Iranians‚ by the way‚ every Iranian I've ever so far has turned out to be very pleasant)
As late as the Bronze Age you still have Iranians sharing craniofacial features with modern Black South Africans‚ so Epipaleolithic Natufian crania having Niger-Congo affinities shouldn’t surprise anyone.
This is getting long so let me end it ...
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what 50k year old east eurasians have to do with 25k year old west eurasians ? Also one population lacking european SNPs for light pigmentation doesn't mean the population concerned was as dark as modern sub-saharans seems like you forget UV index aren't the same everywhere.
Like I showed you and which you avoided, Iberomaurusian were craniometrically very similar to the Oberkassel skulls and I've shown you multiple proper facial reconstructions of these specimen they looked nothing like "australians" or "papuans" ...also for your information, UP european ancestry peaks in modern north europeans.
Also it seems like you confirm how biased you are since you claim those ancestrywhispers reconstructions are inaccurate and wrong yet you don't see any problem with accepting the aterian reconstruction ...is it because it looks black enough to you ?
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I'm not denying that some old populations might have shared common phenotypic traits with SSAs without being necessarily related to them but in the case of natufians that's too recent, doesn't seem to be in line with the datas and despite what you wrote I still don't see how it's possible for arabs to look the way they do while supposedly most of their ancestors could look like niger-congo people
You are on the ledge. Just go ahead and make the leap man.
There are Remains in the Americas that are MORE geographically distant from Africa than Natufians are from Africa.....and more GENETICALLY distant from Africans than Natufians are from Africans (in fact all the way on the other end of the genetic spectrum) and also are YOUNGER than Natufians yet they still look like Africans.
I dont know why you are not taking the jump. Arabs are NOT special. EVERY modern Autosomal component found in any modern human probably originated in a Human that had the cranial characteristics of Recent Africans...because humans origins are Recently African.
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I'm not denying that some old populations might have shared common phenotypic traits with SSAs without being necessarily related to them but in the case of natufians that's too recent, doesn't seem to be in line with the datas and despite what you wrote I still don't see how it's possible for arabs to look the way they do while supposedly most of their ancestors could look like niger-congo people
You are on the ledge. Just go ahead and make the leap man.
There are Remains in the Americas that are MORE geographically distant from Africa than Natufians are from Africa.....and more GENETICALLY distant from Africans than Natufians are from Africans (in fact all the way on the other end of the genetic spectrum) and also are YOUNGER than Natufians yet they still look like Africans.
I dont know why you are not taking the jump. Arabs are NOT special. EVERY modern Autosomal component found in any modern human probably originated in a Human that had the cranial characteristics of Recent Africans...because humans origins are Recently African.
Ok but then if they had left substantially their traces in modern amerindians it would have surely reflected itself on the phenotypes of the latter the same way for instance anatolian farmer ancestry did with modern sardinians.
Are you seriously trying to make me believe that 60-70% of natufian ancestry had absolutely no effect on the phenotypes of arabs ? If that's possible then pls explain me how ? Like I said it's the same case for modern day horners they look exactly like what we should expect regarding their eurasian natufian-like ancestry they certainly do not look like a mix of dinka-like + niger-congo + local HGs...
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I'm not denying that some old populations might have shared common phenotypic traits with SSAs without being necessarily related to them but in the case of natufians that's too recent, doesn't seem to be in line with the datas and despite what you wrote I still don't see how it's possible for arabs to look the way they do while supposedly most of their ancestors could look like niger-congo people
You are on the ledge. Just go ahead and make the leap man.
There are Remains in the Americas that are MORE geographically distant from Africa than Natufians are from Africa.....and more GENETICALLY distant from Africans than Natufians are from Africans (in fact all the way on the other end of the genetic spectrum) and also are YOUNGER than Natufians yet they still look like Africans.
I dont know why you are not taking the jump. Arabs are NOT special. EVERY modern Autosomal component found in any modern human probably originated in a Human that had the cranial characteristics of Recent Africans...because humans origins are Recently African.
———————— You’re wasting your time and energy here‚ this is a fanatic and ideologue with absolutely no interest in science‚ motivated only by his fascist ideology. Frank Wilderson III diagnosed his kind correctly: insecure about their place in the world‚ they get “psychic coherence” from antiblack sadism.
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quote:Originally posted by Antalas:
quote:Originally posted by TRPL_DRKNSS: *sigh*
The Late Pleistocene Eastern Eurasianancestors of those back-migrating Western Eurasians were morphologically closer to “modern Africans and Sri Lankan Veddah than to modern Asians and Europeans‚” according to Hirofumi Matsumura. You are‚ of course‚ aware that gene variants associated with the modern East Asian phenotype — thick straight hair and light skin — begin to show up in East Asia in the early Neolthic‚ according to Xiaoming Zhang; in North Africa "European SNPs associated with light pigmentation" start to show up in the late Neolithic; and in parts of Western Europe as late as the Bronze Age‚ according to Johannes Krause. David Lambert says the cranial morphology of Upper Paleolithic Eurasians is "statistically very close to Aboriginal Australians and Papua New Guineans" and they had dark skin. I'm sure you dispute the findings of all these specialists.
So‚ with those facts in mind‚ I ask again: how do you mix an Aterian and an Upper Paleolithic Eurasian and end up with a modern Iranian wrestler? This individual does not look convincing at all as a 'biracial' — no matter how light or dark-skinned his Eurasian-descended mother might've been.
(No disrespect to Iranians‚ by the way‚ every Iranian I've ever so far has turned out to be very pleasant)
As late as the Bronze Age you still have Iranians sharing craniofacial features with modern Black South Africans‚ so Epipaleolithic Natufian crania having Niger-Congo affinities shouldn’t surprise anyone.
This is getting long so let me end it ...
*sigh*
what 50k year old east eurasians have to do with 25k year old west eurasians ? Also one population lacking european SNPs for light pigmentation doesn't mean the population concerned was as dark as modern sub-saharans seems like you forget UV index aren't the same everywhere.
Like I showed you and which you avoided, Iberomaurusian were craniometrically very similar to the Oberkassel skulls and I've shown you multiple proper facial reconstructions of these specimen they looked nothing like "australians" or "papuans" ...also for your information, UP european ancestry peaks in modern north europeans.
Also it seems like you confirm how biased you are since you claim those ancestrywhispers reconstructions are inaccurate and wrong yet you don't see any problem with accepting the aterian reconstruction ...is it because it looks black enough to you ?
I have cited over a dozen leading specialists in genetics‚ bio-anthropology and palaeontology (including personal communication from Chris Stringer and Louise Humphrey)‚ you dismiss all of their lifelong research in favour of hobbyists and enthusiasts who tell you what you want to hear. For example‚ I referred to Prof. David Lambert‚ one of the researchers who sequenced the genome of Kostenki 14‚ and his description of Cro-Magnons as “dark-skinned” and “statistically very close to Aboriginal Australians and Papua New Guineans.” You summarily dismissed all that‚ and instead offer a range of contradictory Photoshop images — which you refer to as “multiple proper facial reconstructions”—done by your favourite hobbyists‚ and a company that uses Soviet craniometry and Photoshop (and also charges $40—$500 to tell you what you want to hear). You did post a clay model done by Elisabeth Daynes‚ but weren’t so forthcoming when asked whether you agreed with the finished product or not.
I did not “avoid” the Oberkassel skull‚ after all‚ does it differ significantly from other Upper Paleolithic Europeans? All Cro-Magnons Matter‚ right? What is your point? Here’s a “detailed‚ forensic reconstruction” of a 10‚000 year old Oberkassel female.
Do you like it?
Several leading researchers have pointed out that there’s a “European and North African Upper Paleolithic range” of neurocranial diversity which includes the South African Hofmeyr skull‚ Nazlet Khater and Oase; that there are some resemblances between Iberomaurusians and Aterians‚ as well as Natufians‚ according to Inga Bergmann ‚ and a few similarities with some Late Pleistocene Nubians‚ according to Joel Irish and Marta Mirazón Lahr.
This is getting long and tiresome so I will end it here.
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Im interested in getting input from other members (apart from this fascist) on the following two quotes:
quote:”The intermediate pattern of genetic variation seen in the Ethiopian Jewish and Somali populations could be explained either bv recent admixture with nearbv Middle Eastern populations or a recent common ancestry with non-African populations. Because these two Northeastern African populations have only a subset of the haplotype diversity present in sub-Saharan Africa, admixture between sub-Saharan and Middle Eastern populations does not seem a good explanation of their haplotype frequencies; rather, these populations may represent the modern descendants of the ancestral population that spawned the migration from Africa.” — Sarah Tishkoff
quote:There is skeletal material from Kenya (Gamble’s Cave) associated with an early Holocene culture called the Eburran The craniofacial characteristics of this material have the narrow face and nose and profile seen amongst various non-supra-Saharan Africans today, traits mistakenly called “Caucasian.” The presence of these traits clearly antedates the coming of merchants or even “colonists” from Arabia in the first millennium, as evidenced by language. Some of the Gamble’s Cave material will group with late dynastic northern Egyptians. Under the racial paradigm the anatomy of these folk would have de-Africanized them. Today some scholars still interpret the narrower noses and faces in Ethiopia and various genetic variants as being primarily due to Arabian colonists. Given the early evidence of this morphology in East Africa, the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages in the Horn region, the long presence people in East Africa, the coalescence times, and findings that illustrate gradients or clines for various alleles, it is reasonable to question whether or not some of the genetic variation in the Horn attributed to Arabian migrants was not there originally. This question bears asking and repeating: What was the range of biological variation of early Afro-Asiatic speakers, and amongst the indigenous peoples of the Horn?"
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After describing other trends, Angel postulates that there is probably “a smooth transition from the Ishango-Lothagam-Elmenteita proto-Nilotics to the Mechta-Afalou proto-Moors and proto-Berbers”; this “chain of populations” is the direct ancestors of modern Nilotics, Nubians, Egyptians, probably Libyans and Berbers. This is the far-sighted, comparative view.” This conclusion is reasonable and is to be seen in the context of indigenous African variability and evolution. It applies to the biology of these peoples, not to them as culturo-linguistic entities. Of interest is that the variability in this broad region, while largely clinal, is not strictly so. For example the nasal apertures of some of the Gamble’s Cave (Kenya) skeletons are narrower (and higher) than that of epipalaeolithic remains from further north in the Sudan and Egypt." — Dr. Shormaka Keita
Thanks in advance
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quote:Originally posted by TRPL_DRKNSS: I have cited over a dozen leading specialists in genetics‚ bio-anthropology and palaeontology (including personal communication from Chris Stringer and Louise Humphrey)‚ you dismiss all of their lifelong research in favour of hobbyists and enthusiasts who tell you what you want to hear. For example‚ I referred to Prof. David Lambert‚ one of the researchers who sequenced the genome of Kostenki 14‚ and his description of Cro-Magnons as “dark-skinned” and “statistically very close to Aboriginal Australians and Papua New Guineans.” You summarily dismissed all that‚ and instead offer a range of contradictory Photoshop images — which you refer to as “multiple proper facial reconstructions”—done by your favourite hobbyists‚ and a company that uses Soviet craniometry and Photoshop (and also charges $40—$500 to tell you what you want to hear). You did post a clay model done by Elisabeth Daynes‚ but weren’t so forthcoming when asked whether you agreed with the finished product or not.
I did not “avoid” the Oberkassel skull‚ after all‚ does it differ significantly from other Upper Paleolithic Europeans? All Cro-Magnons Matter‚ right? What is your point? Here’s a “detailed‚ forensic reconstruction” of a 10‚000 year old Oberkassel female.
Do you like it?
Several leading researchers have pointed out that there’s a “European and North African Upper Paleolithic range” of neurocranial diversity which includes the South African Hofmeyr skull‚ Nazlet Khater and Oase; that there are some resemblances between Iberomaurusians and Aterians‚ as well as Natufians‚ according to Inga Bergmann ‚ and a few similarities with some Late Pleistocene Nubians‚ according to Joel Irish and Marta Mirazón Lahr.
This is getting long and tiresome so I will end it here.
Most of what you posted did not concern iberomaurusians or their ancestors and "dark skinned" doesn't mean those populations looked like modern sub-saharans. You have millions of people in India who are dark skinned still do they look black to you ? I literally posted professional reconstructions of the oberkassel and iberomaurusian skulls and yes I agreed with the daynes reconstruction except for the skin color.
quote:The Late Pleistocene material from Afalou and Taforalt in North Africa, on the other hand, had no similarity with sub-Saharan Africa. Instead, the groups from which it cannot be distinguished range from the Neolithic of Algeria and Egypt, modern Nubia, and especially modern Europe. The pattern of affiliations of the Algerian Neolithic is remarkably similar to that of the Algerian Late Pleistocene at Afalou and Taforalt and suggests long-term in situ population continuity.
source : Brace, C. L., D. P. Tracer, L. A. Yaroch, J. Robb, K. Brandt, and A. R. Nelson. 1993. Clines and Clusters Versus "Race": A Test in Ancient Egypt and the Case of a Death on the Nile. Yearbook of Physical Anthropology 36:1-31.
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You based your art off of Australian Aboriginees/Paupans and this dude up here whining and disrupting your thread because your final product looks "SSA", but in the same breath will argue Paupans/Aboriginees are not black when he needs a Token population to use in his arguments.
Like I said to these bio-diversity types no scap of a black exists outside of their magical barrier of "SSA"
BTW Your art is Amazing, good work, You're a professional and a breath of fresh air to the forum.
The fact that you are working/communicating with professionals in the field makes you 100% more authentic than any bio-diversity troll.
quote:Originally posted by TRPL_DRKNSS: I have cited over a dozen leading specialists in genetics‚ bio-anthropology and palaeontology (including personal communication from Chris Stringer and Louise Humphrey)‚ you dismiss all of their lifelong research in favour of hobbyists and enthusiasts who tell you what you want to hear. For example‚ I referred to Prof. David Lambert‚ one of the researchers who sequenced the genome of Kostenki 14‚ and his description of Cro-Magnons as “dark-skinned” and “statistically very close to Aboriginal Australians and Papua New Guineans.”
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quote:“To date, no nuclear DNA has been extracted from Southwest France Middle Upper Paleolithic (MUP) human remains, but a mitochondrial DNA (i.e. mtDNA) sequence belonging to the M haplogroup was published for the La Rochette individual dated at ~ 27,500 years ago. This haplogroup has also been identified in four Early Upper Paleolithic (EUP) specimens from Goyet (Belgium) and Bacho Kiro (Bulgaria) and in one Italian MUP fossil from Ostuni (Italy), but has not been found in EUP or MUP individuals from Central Europe...
The EUP and MUP specimens tend to have longer brain case with a small occipital bun, along with a more projecting face than the Late Upper Paleolithic (LUP) individuals...
EUP specimens have nevertheless a more projecting frontal bone while facial projection is mainly expressed in the lateral expansion of the zygomatic and in the anterior projection of the lower maxilla. LUP specimens show a more rounded braincase and a more retracted upper face...
The Goyet Q-2 ancestry is predominant in 19,000–15,000-year-old individuals associated with the Magdalenian culture…” — Aurélien Mounier
quote:“We similarly find that the Tianyuan individual shares more alleles with present-day Eastern Eurasians, Oceanians, and Native Americans than with other present-day humans…with the highest similarity to East and Southeast Asian populations…
Among the Upper Paleolithic individuals from Western Eurasia analyzed here, a 35,000-year-old individual from Belgium, GoyetQ116-1, shares more alleles with the Tianyuan individual than any other Western Eurasian individual does …
GoyetQ116-1 carries a mitochondrial genome belonging to haplogroup M, and M-derived haplogroups can be found in present-day East Eurasian, Oceanian, and Native American populations but are almost completely absent in European populations …
Most Asian and Native American populations share similar numbers of alleles with the Tianyuan individual. However, three South American populations—the Surui and Karitiana in Brazil (‘‘Amazonians’’) and the Chane in northern Argentina and southern Bolivia—share more alleles with the Tianyuan individual than other Native American populations do. The two Amazonian populations were recently shown to share more alleles with the present-day Papuan and Andamanese Onge than with other Native Americans...
The fact that the Tianyuan individual, who lived in mainland Asia about 40,000 years ago, has affinities to some South American populations that is as strong as or stronger than that observed for the Papuan and Onge suggests that a population related to the Tianyuan individual, as well as to the present-day Papuan and Onge, was once widespread in eastern Asia… “ — Melinda A. Yang
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Here is a version from Ancestral Whispers
quote: The people of the Iberomaurusian culture once encompassed most of North Africa. They stood at 170-175cm on average and exhibited robust caucasoid features. Modern natives of North Africa largely descent from these hunter-gatherers.
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