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This a thread where you can label anyone as Black...I'm an a non mixed African...so if you think some people in the world are Black...please show them to me.....
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^ This makes no sense. Non of those pictures are from Africa. Some are from Southwest Asia and the others are from Southeast Asia, but is the point. Are you saying all those people are black??
What about these people?
Formosan (Taiwanese aboriginal)
Filipinos
Turk
Mongols
Tibetans ...
How are all these people all of a sudden black? If they are then Mexicans and other Native Americans and even southern Europeans should be 'black' also.
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Djehuti, thanks for your input that's why I opened the thread to show how colorism is a dangerous game...Blackness and Whiteness are subjective...who's Black...who's White...what does it mean to be Black or White?
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Man in this thread people don't seem to understand. All black is, is a reference to skin color. *All* those people I posted have dark skin in the range of Black. What is so hard for people to understand. If africans with the same skin tones, are considered Black. Then how can those people I posted not be Black also.
It seems even on this forum that people want to limit black, to only Africans and those with recent African ancestry.
I don't think I need to post pictures of Africans with the same skin color as those asians I just posted.
As for all those people who say these people are brown, well so is *most* Africans. What I understand from the color label, is that it's, red, yellow, black, and white. Now all of a sudden people want to group brown in with these other color labels. So now we have people who love to say, "Hey, I'm brown, not Black". People don't seem to see that this brown label is now being pushed because being Black is looked on as a negative. Why aren't people whining about being pink, or beige. None of this is going on. It is only the Black label people have a problem with. Don't want to be considered Black, then we will call you brown.
The truth of the matter is, that the color system has always been red, yellow, black, and white. Theres a famous Christian song that sings about the color of people, it does not include brown. Most people who consider themselves brown, would easily fit under Black.
Remember it is not whether you agree with the labels or not. The color labels have been around for a long time. They are not going away any time soon. Compare my pics of Asians with Djehuti's pics. It is clear all my pics have darker skin then most of his pics.
What does any of this have to do with a whole region like southern europe. All this is about is skin color. It seems even on this forum that is pro-Black people are still Afraid of labeling people outside of Africa as being black. It seems the eurocentrics still have a hold on people. Free your mind.
Peace
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King, You didn't answer my question, what's your background? Obviously not African, but I just need to know...
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My Background has no meaning on the truth. What needs to be understood is that All people need to be able to learn the truth, and preach it. To much emphasis is put on ethnicity, My background is not going to change how I view people and how I accept truth. I ask that people stop trying to divide people just because they have different views then you. We are all hear to learn the truth the best way we can. We need to ask what Unites us as people, instead of what divides us. Ethnic background, should not be important to truthseekers, what should be important is if we accept the truth, no matter what it is. I am a truthseeker, I try to learn about all kinds of truth, no matter what "race" is involved.
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The truth...let me tell you the truth you keep posting brown people and try to pass them for black people...where is the truth...by the way I personally don't believe in race since European and Asians were originally Black Africans...at the end of the day we are originally Black Africans...aren't we?
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The problem is that people are doing something they may not realize that they are doing. On the one hand they say black is only a colour and on the other hand they are limiting black to sub-Sahara Africa.
At one moment they'll there are blacks in other places than Africa yet they only recognize those who are descendents of Africans or who have some two or three physical features in common with [stereo]'typical' sub-Saharan Africans as the black ones.
They don't even realize they're doing this and what's worse is they become angered and deny it when its pointed out to them what they're doing.
Example: It was written: "All black is is a ethnic description in reference to skin color." And a response from one of once biggest boosters who himself slung that statement at whoever said his pet Africans weren't black: "This makes no sense. Non of those pictures are from Africa. Some are from Southwest Asia and the others are from Southeast Asia, ..."
The dialectic is obvious. Asian^=black because Black=African. But when cornered about his dialectical pronouncement he will then turn around and say: "I never said Asia had no blacks." Confront him with this cognitive dissonance and he will proceed to verbally abuse, applying psychiatric labels and projections and putting words in the mouth. Anything but checking his pattern for its inconsistancies and then leveling them.
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Those people look brown, we surely have our own brown people in Africa...by the way my own mother have a light skin: the non mixed way...she's black...you see what I mean...there is natural light skin and brown mixed skin...you don't get it ...do you? I know how to make the difference between a man who is light because admixture as opposed to some African who is naturally light...you can't see the difference and I understand why...
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This is what it looks like to me. It seems the more you talk to these people, the more they get angry about labeling people as Black. There new favorite term is Brown. These people seem to love to label Africans as Black, but as soon as you show them pictures of equally Black people in other parts of the world, all of a sudden these people are "Brown". It all stems from how hated the Black label is. It bothers me that even on this forum people are so engrained in what they view as Black, that they get angry when confronted with proof of other black people who have no recent African ancestry. All you can do I guess is keep continuing to post facts until they see the truth. That is all you, and I can do.
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The angry men are you and Al...this thread is now so confusing because when you get into colorism, you will get different point of views...let's have party here....
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No I don't get it. What is natural light skin, and mixed Brown skin. This is what does not make sense. almost *All* the people in Africa have Brown skin. This does not mean that they are not considered Black. The point is that trying to limit Black, to only Africans is wrong. There are Black people all over the world. How you view Black, is very limited.
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How am I angry? All I am stating is the truth about Blackness. The people who seem to be angry, are the people who seem to be quick to label clearly Black people as Brown. I am not angry in the slightest. I rather enjoy our debate.
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The browns were first invented by anthropologist for the Malays I think. Then it was collapsed by them into a yellow-brown race purportedly to combine all Asians & Pacifics.
Brown at one time may've been used to describe an expanded so-called Mediterranean race from the straits of Gibraltar to eastern parts of the Indian Ocean.
Then not too long ago some Chicanos picked up on the power of a colour definition and coined brown for themselves. Of course the more 'criolo' types continued to declare themselves white. But the *Aztecas* never used red the standard colour term for the natives of the so-called Americas. From the Chicanos some Hispanics took on the term for use in USA dichotomies never for back at home where they prefer to label themselves white just as they used to be so labeled in citizenship documents in the USA before say the last 10 years or so ago.
** note that Azteca doesn't mean the ancient Aztecs but their modern descendents who rwefuse to identify as mestizo.
quote:Originally posted by KING: As for all those people who say these people are brown, well so is *most* Africans. What I understand from the color label, is that it's, red, yellow, black, and white. Now all of a sudden people want to group brown in with these other color labels.
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King, what's your background? At least I can understand the confusion in Al's mind, but what about you...I mean I don't think you know Black people....
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And what supposed mental confusion are you failing in attempt to project away from yourself and onto me?
You don't seem to know western African realities. Amazigh count halPulaaren as blacks. Gnawa class them as red. Bantu will even jibe them as the white man of Africa.
And so what is a hamria in the north? Neither black nor white but red. What does the Kuwaiti of the same average colour call his own? Red (not brown).
Don't think for a moment that halPulaaren and hamria don't realize that in world parlance they are blacks just like the grey-brown skinned Wolof or the Gabon unsweetened non-milk chocolate brown skins.
Hundreds of thousands if not millions of Africans residing south of the Tropic of Cancer are as brown as the red Kuwaiti. But they should be called black because they live in Africa? If so something other than objective colour recognitin is going on.
Should the crayon the color of burnt charcoal be labeled black when sold in Africa but brown everywhere else?
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Your confusion is so obvious from an African perspective...and yes from a Black African perspective...although the last part of my statement is subjective.... P.S: There is no international standard for Blackness...not even one that is set up by yourself or King...none
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Thanks for the lesson on the "Brown" term. This is what I was trying to get people to understand working together towards a common goal of understanding.
I know all about the chicanos claim about "Brown Pride", and really this was my first introduction to the "Brown" label. I have never really heard anybody else use this term as much as I hear it from the chicanos. It seems to be a big thing in Los Angelas with the mexican youth, along with the "LA Raza" stuff.
Thanks for showing me that the Brown label was invented to label the Malays. From that map you posted you can clearly see the bias, in the brown label. The Indian subcontinient is home to some of the Darkest people in the world, yet they made no difference of claiming it all as Brown. Like I will continue to say. The Brown label seems to be used for people who hate to recognize that they are really as dark as the African people. Thanks for the facts Altakruri
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From Habari: ''King, what's your background? At least I can understand the confusion in Al's mind, but what about you...I mean I don't think you know Black people....''
And what revelation is in your possession to satisfactorily make your explanation work?
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You failed to answer my questions about the pics I posted. What is the difference between the skin color of these people I postes. You said that there is lightskined Africans, and brown mixed people. I am asking you how can you tell the difference. What makes one Lightskinned, and the other Brown mixed. Please answer my question.
Peace
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I see you also want Habari to answer questions. I read your post in the other thread, and I agree with everything you said. The Brown label, is for people who are Afraid of being labeled as Black. This is why I don't understand why Habari seems to have it in his head that Black people is only found in Africa. If he can really tell us what is the difference in skin color with the so called Light Skinned Africans, and the Brown mixed Asians then he really should clue us in.
Peace
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That's a non-answer you haven't defined or outlined anything, you just restated there is confusion in your mind. Just like AfricaI you do not speak for a variegated continent except in your imagination.
quote:Originally posted by Habari: Your confusion is so obvious from an African perspective...and yes from a Black African perspective...although the last part of my statement is subjective.... P.S: There is no international standard for Blackness...not even one that is set up by yourself or King...none
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quote: I am asking you how can you tell the difference.
You can't understand...I mean your not African...
Then you aren't speaking form a scientific point of view, but a more tribalistic point of view instead.
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Whether you want to hear it or not, What Altakruri is saying is the truth. No one is setting up anything. What people are trying to get across to you is why should the Black label be used only for people from Africa. There are people equally as Dark as Africans who should also be labeled as black. What don't you seem to understand. All the pics I have shown you and you still have not given a good rebuttle to why the Asians should be Looked at as Brown mixed, and the Africans as Black What makes this Asian from Cambodia:
Anyless Black Then this African person:
Face the truth Habari Both of these people are Black. One found in Asia(Cambodia), and the other found in Africa(Egypt). Whether you want to admit it or not, you have been indoctrined in seeing Black people only in Africa. This is what the Eurocentrics want to do, make people limit blacks to only Africa.
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Whether you want to hear it or not, What Altakruri is saying is the truth. No one is setting up anything. What people are trying to get across to you is why should the Black label be used only for people from Africa. There are people equally as Dark as Africans who should also be labeled as black. What don't you seem to understand. All the pics I have shown you and you still have not given a good rebuttle to why the Asians should be Looked at as Brown mixed, and the Africans as Black What makes this Asian from Cambodia:
Anyless Black The this African person:
Face the truth Habari Both of these people are Black. One found in Asia(Cambodia), and the other found in Africa(Egypt). Whether you want to admit it or not, you have been indoctrined in seeing Black people only in Africa. This is what the Eurocentrics want to do, make people limit blacks to only Africa.
Peace
if you mean skin color then the dark man of cambodia is black and the boy below is not.
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thanks for reading, and giving your opinion on the picture I edited out. You say the boy is not Black, that is fine. In my opinion his skin color can pass as black. But since I know that you are from Puerto Rico, then I understand why you would probably view him as Mixed.
Peace
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: If you were truly living in the Spanish speaking Caribbean you wouldn't ask any such question.
quote:Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:
quote:Originally posted by Alive-(What Box):
quote:Originally posted by prmiddleeastern: I see Arabs and Melanesians, the latter being black by skin color only. [?]
All black is is a ethnic description in reference to skin color.
so light-skinned mulattos are white and not considered black?
On the caribbean they are considere part black and white, niether white, neither black, be light skinned or dark-skinned, their ancestry os of both black and white,they are both, not one or the other, like things are in the USA.
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What about my opinions...let me tell you something...this is what I think, maybe I'm wrong...please note there are many posters of African descent in this forum...but I have a feeling that Al and yourself are racist towards Black people of Africa...maybe I'm wrong...it's just a feeling...
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quote:Originally posted by Habari: What about my opinions...let me tell you something...this is what I think, maybe I'm wrong...please note there are many posters of African descent in this forum...but I have a feeling that Al and yourself are racist towards Black people of Africa...maybe I'm wrong...it's just a feeling...
There is African ancestry from my dad's maternal side of the family, also my mom's great-grandfather was mulatto.
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