quote:Originally posted by a JackedAss: If there was no foreign "gene flow" would there still be "white Berbers"?
And is that a picture of you leading a tour group Alive-girl? lol
Not talking about anyone specifically but who thinks the above is funny but a homosexual nazi from Europe? Seriously?
I was going to just 'lol' but seeing that he did that at his own lame joke ....
Anyway, it's symbolic. They (the tour not the guide) represent you, the people on the wall ..... represent that which is your envy, their (angain the tour group's not the guide's) expressions ...
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^^Lmao @ gaykoben accusing others of things he does "answering a question with a question". Can you read though? Watch now, instead of answering, he is going to ask a question...Bwahahaa
quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: Well, "white" Berbers are native to Africa; they are not found anywhere else. Their skin hue though, has been influenced by non-African gene flow into native African populations. While gene flow from "exotic" groups has certainly modified phenotypes [like the contribution of "tan" or "Medium" complexion] of sections of coastal North Africans, this condition does not make them non-native. Now if someone were to say "white skin" is native to Africa, then that would be a different story. [/QB]
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**sigh** Maybe what you meant to say was that the cultural group known as Berbers are native, but they have incorporated foreigners, whether by cultural adaption or gene flow into their midst, hence the "white Berbers" today. This is different from saying white Berbers are native to Africa. Yes?
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Nope, Jackass. I meant what I said, and said it how I meant it. You don't have to put words into my mouth just to make you feel better about yourself.
These "white Berbers" are a lot more African than you'll ever be. Get use to that as well.
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Hey Jackass, if a figment of imagination rocks your boat, then so be it; power to Ganja! Can I get an 'Amen", kiddo. Posts: 7516 | From: Somewhere on Earth | Registered: Jan 2008
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quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: Hey Jackass, if a figment of imagination rocks your boat, then so be it; power to Ganja! Can I get an 'Amen", kiddo.
quote:Originally posted by akoben: He answered the call of Diop appropriately by evading the questions pointing to the "blackness" of Egypt? Yeh, Diop would be proud...
My n%%ga! My N%%ga! You're fluent in sarcasm my friend..we'd make like best buddies lmao..
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quote:Originally posted by akoben: **sigh** Maybe what you meant to say was that the cultural group known as Berbers are native, but they have incorporated foreigners, whether by cultural adaption or gene flow into their midst, hence the "white Berbers" today. This is different from saying white Berbers are native to Africa. Yes?
Yo Akoben and Explorer..stop the beef..stop the beef!!!
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Explorer I understamd that you're saying that white berbers are the result of indigenoous black berbers intermixing with white invaders and immigrants..but is keita necessarily saying this? It seems he's saying that Africa is so diverse that Africans are so diverse that white skin was able to evolve among them!
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^Actually, AssOpen is the one with the beef; so much so, that he just can't resist following me around virtually everywhere in a queer sort of way.
quote:Originally posted by Obelisk_18:
Explorer I understamd that you're saying that white berbers are the result of indigenoous black berbers intermixing with white invaders and immigrants..but is keita necessarily saying this?
Don't know; I haven't listened to the speech in question; was he saying something different?
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quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: ^Actually, AssOpen is the one with the beef; so much so, that he just can't resist following me around virtually everywhere in a queer sort of way.
quote:Originally posted by Obelisk_18:
Explorer I understamd that you're saying that white berbers are the result of indigenoous black berbers intermixing with white invaders and immigrants..but is keita necessarily saying this?
Don't know; I haven't listened to the speech in question; was he saying something different?
No my man he's leaning toward that white skin is native to Africa. strange position to take..but hell just watch the video.
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Exactly how did Keita put it; word for word, and in full context? I mean, keita fully recognizes the sections of coastal North Africans have received gene flow from 'west Eurasia', and we know this, because he's been cited here before saying just that, and taking note that this has had an impact on the phenotype of these people.
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^ full context? Go watch the clip before you put your foot in your mouth again like you always do.
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Jackass, one can't put one's foot in one's mouth, if one hasn't said anything that would make that so.
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quote:Originally posted by Obelisk_18: No my man he's leaning toward that white skin is native to Africa. strange position to take..but hell just watch the video.
To anyone who knows any better, then NO, Keita was not implying that *white skin* is indigenous to Africa, however he did imply that lighterskinned people have been in Africa for a long time, by not clarifying and actually saying that white skin is *NOT* what he meant by lightskin, then to any laymen listening to the video might get the idea that Keita *WAS IMPLYING* that people such as Cleopatra (Elizabeth Taylor as the man asking the question put it) were always in Africa. This is the thing that Keita, in my point of view, should have been more clear about.
quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: After watching the vid, I was a bit dissatisfied. When the guy asked him specifically when did people like Cleopatra(Elizabeth Taylor) come into Egypt. When Keita answered there's always been a lightskin population and people like that always lived in Africa was appalling. Keita knew exactly what the question was, and he failed miserably to answer it clearly. This gives people like Chimu room to argue that these ligtskinnned genetically non African influenced people were always in Africa. Which is false. Truthfully I think he should've been even more clear and confirm that pale skin is actually a recent adaptation and occurred outside of Africa, some 6kya.
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quote:Originally posted by JMT: S.O.Y. Keita may very well be a brilliant scientist. But what amazes me is the extent to which people develop a complex to rationalize Keita's actions. Keita's reluctance to simply say "yes, I believe the Ancient Egyptians were black Africans" is rather troubling. If Keita believes the Ancient Egyptians were undoubtedly black (I've read on this forum there's little to no evidence which contradicts the hard evidence of the black Egyptian premise presented by Keita) then he should explicitly use the word BLACK. See how easy that was.
There are methods for Keita to be diplomatic in his approach while conveying his true feelings based on the grounds of his own scientific examinations without sidestepping the issue for the sake of appeasement for those who sign his checks. I understand everyone has bills to pay. But I don't understand why some choose to compromise their character or beliefs to coddle a dichotomy which isn't interested in the truth.
Everything people do is political. But there comes a time when you just have to stand up and throw that political BS out the window and go with your instinct.
The word "Black" is clearly a very powerful word. The Black Africans of Ancient Kemet had symbolized the word Black with incredibly powerful meaning and upon discovering these meanings, it has been a primary priority for Euro-Western specialists to pervert, bastardized and completely destroy almost all positive associations to the word "Black". White/Jewish/Arabs have attempted to negate all positive meanings and elements associated with the word "Black" at mountainous levels.
We can see a start of institutionalized attack on the word "Black" by Euro-Western specialists simply by looking at the definition of the word "Black" in the dictionary (paper dictionary or dictionary.com). In this case, for the sake of convenience, I used dictionary.com. Dictionary.com defines the word "Black" in its first two sections as follows:
1. lacking hue and brightness; absorbing light without reflecting any of the rays composing it. 2. characterized by absence of light; enveloped in darkness: a black night.
"a black night"? are there any other nights of different color we don't know of? Unfortunately, #2 undoes some valid meanings in #1. Black represent the absorption of all light therefore, it is the total presence of all light in there most intensive state. In fact, what we perceive as light can only be seen only if Black color or Black-element exists as foundation. How can light be seen in light? Light can only be seen in the dark (Black). Meaning "Black" is actually light or a light matter allowing all other lights to be seen. Yes, Black light is real!
Next Dictionary.com goes on the define the word Black in more negative ways:
" 5. gloomy; pessimistic; dismal: a black outlook. 6. deliberately; harmful; inexcusable: a black lie. 7. boding ill; sullen or hostile; threatening: black words; black looks.
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9. without any moral quality or goodness; evil; wicked: His black heart has concocted yet another black deed. 10. indicating censure, disgrace, or liability to punishment: a black mark on one's record. 11. marked by disaster or misfortune: black areas of drought; Black Friday. 15. illegal or underground: The black economy pays no taxes. 17. deliberately false or intentionally misleading: black propaganda. "
The above are all direct and continuous efforts to remove almost all positive symbolism and meaning of the word "Black" by Euro-Western specialist. For instance, there is no such thing as a "black lies", if so "white lies" would be worst than any "black lie" considering the amount of resources exerted for centuries now hiding, perverting, destroying and scattering the foundational roles of Black Africans in human history. Words like "illegal", "disgrace", "misfortune", "disaster", "drought", "harmful", "hostile", "threatening" being associated with the "Black" have absolutely nothing to do with "Black", yet, they are attempts by Euro-Western specialists to destroy positive associations of the word "Black". Furthermore, dictionary.com describes "Black" as follows:
"9. without any moral quality or goodness; evil; wicked: His black heart has concocted yet another black deed."
These were nothing more than attempts reverse the spiritual symbolical meaning of what Black actually means and alway meant before the coming to Whites/Jews and/or Arabs; "Black" was always symbolized as: sacred, holy, powerful, goodwill, reborn, resurrection...and so on.
People like S.O.Y. Keita are in a struggle attempting not to make White people feel bad. It is clear that Ancient Kemetians were 100% Black Africans from head to toe and the very presence of the word "Black" along with the word "African" is of such power that it gives an effect similar to having mountain sized lies come crashing down. Even the worst derogatory terms directed at Black people begin to loose their negative effects. Suddenly, the centuries of resources spent towards the great White/Jewish causes in destroying all things positive associated with "Black" is reduced to nothingness. This of cause becomes a big blow to White/Jewish dogma of Black African history. For the White, Jewish and Arabs elites and specialists, as well as their greater populations to acknowledge the undeniable positivity and foundational roles "Black African" have played throughout human evolution, history and civilization, Black African peoples must continue to research, study, document and publish Black African history no matter who else does it. Black African people must also use Black whenever it is appropriate to do so. The late, great Pharaoh of intellect, Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop directly attributed Black African accomplishments to Black Africans (Negroes) whenever it was appropriate without resorting tricky terms to satisfy racist White or Jewish persons.
In many of S.O.Y. Keita, when dealing with direct genetic research (blood and dna), as well as scientific markings of these specialized areas, classification by skin color/skin tone/features are mostly inappropriate because of the massive varieties humans possess. On the social level, because of the damages cause flawed and racist Eurocentric system of teaching, which has conditioned many individual to visualize Black people and the word "Black" as negative by default, it imperative that good willed scholars directly and explicitly cite and use "Black African(s)" when attributing credits of accomplishments in regards ancient African histories and civilizations.
S.O.Y. Keita reluctance to utilize the word "Black", or "Negro" or even "Negroid" in his work when dealing with the laymen masses is the ensure his checks keep coming. Maybe Black scientist and specialists had to be a bit more creative and work a bit harder for revealing and maintaining the truth, but Cheikh Anta Diop's check kept coming, as was Ivan Van Sertima's, John Clark's and many others. Maybe one day even Keita will find a way to actually say "yes, Ancient Kemet were 100% indigenous Black Africans and all genetic findings support it." Until then, the rest of us will continue to build on the great works of Keita and other intellectual giants and by that time, Keita needn't be pressured into using the proper term "Black African" because everyone else around him will be using it.
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The tour-guide is bored explaining this stuff day in day out; May even be ticked off because they keep making her stand in that 6 inch pit to bring her height down some.
The woman on the right looks to be really interested. Might be working for a university...but wouldn't accept the truth anyway.
The girl with the Harley Davidson rag on her head was spaced out before she went inside; check out the earphones; probably trying to sort out what heavy metal means when you are stoned on crack.
The girl third from the right, back row, is truly puzzled by it all.
The one to the left and behind the guide seems to saying, ''wait a minute'', one way or the other.
The one standing in front of the column can't figure out what she has to erase.
The chick on the far left with the yoga outfit on is busy trying to figure out how to incorporate new ohhhm techniques for her alternative history website.
The dike has seen and heard enough; she's eyeballing the guide.
And last but not least, the boy in the back can't shake the memory from a few years back that disgruntled Egyptians might bust in any minute with A-47s blazing away
Almost forgot the girl hidden by the tour-guide's hand. She would be overwhelmed by anything told her.
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^The Harley Davidson scarf one second from the right along with the one "behind" (from our point of view) the guide are fairly innocent though, especially the former. The latter indeed looks to be trying to figure something out, though, it may not be what you think.
Lol, the one in front of the column who looks like somethings bothering her that I don't know what it is could indeed be trying to figure out what to write/erase, looks like it, I can identify.
Lastly, other than the guide who's done this a few times, the others are obvious and the furthest one to the right is the real "one way or the other" one.
It was partly a joke, but I saw the pic just as aho was saying certain Berbers weren't indigenous. They all represent Euros thinking of ancient Norht Africans.
quote:Originally posted by JMT: S.O.Y. Keita may very well be a brilliant scientist. But what amazes me is the extent to which people develop a complex to rationalize Keita's actions. Keita's reluctance to simply say "yes, I believe the Ancient Egyptians were black Africans" is rather troubling. If Keita believes the Ancient Egyptians were undoubtedly black (I've read on this forum there's little to no evidence which contradicts the hard evidence of the black Egyptian premise presented by Keita) then he should explicitly use the word BLACK. See how easy that was.
There are methods for Keita to be diplomatic in his approach while conveying his true feelings based on the grounds of his own scientific examinations without sidestepping the issue for the sake of appeasement for those who sign his checks. I understand everyone has bills to pay. But I don't understand why some choose to compromise their character or beliefs to coddle a dichotomy which isn't interested in the truth.
Everything people do is political. But there comes a time when you just have to stand up and throw that political BS out the window and go with your instinct.
The word "Black" is clearly a very powerful word. The Black Africans of Ancient Kemet had symbolized the word Black with incredibly powerful meaning and upon discovering these meanings, it has been a primary priority for Euro-Western specialists to pervert, bastardized and completely destroy almost all positive associations to the word "Black". White/Jewish/Arabs have attempted to negate all positive meanings and elements associated with the word "Black" at mountainous levels.
We can see a start of institutionalized attack on the word "Black" by Euro-Western specialists simply by looking at the definition of the word "Black" in the dictionary (paper dictionary or dictionary.com). In this case, for the sake of convenience, I used dictionary.com. Dictionary.com defines the word "Black" in its first two sections as follows:
1. lacking hue and brightness; absorbing light without reflecting any of the rays composing it. 2. characterized by absence of light; enveloped in darkness: a black night.
"a black night"? are there any other nights of different color we don't know of? Unfortunately, #2 undoes some valid meanings in #1. Black represent the absorption of all light therefore, it is the total presence of all light in there most intensive state. In fact, what we perceive as light can only be seen only if Black color or Black-element exists as foundation. How can light be seen in light? Light can only be seen in the dark (Black). Meaning "Black" is actually light or a light matter allowing all other lights to be seen. Yes, Black light is real!
Next Dictionary.com goes on the define the word Black in more negative ways:
" 5. gloomy; pessimistic; dismal: a black outlook. 6. deliberately; harmful; inexcusable: a black lie. 7. boding ill; sullen or hostile; threatening: black words; black looks.
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9. without any moral quality or goodness; evil; wicked: His black heart has concocted yet another black deed. 10. indicating censure, disgrace, or liability to punishment: a black mark on one's record. 11. marked by disaster or misfortune: black areas of drought; Black Friday. 15. illegal or underground: The black economy pays no taxes. 17. deliberately false or intentionally misleading: black propaganda. "
The above are all direct and continuous efforts to remove almost all positive symbolism and meaning of the word "Black" by Euro-Western specialist. For instance, there is no such thing as a "black lies", if so "white lies" would be worst than any "black lie" considering the amount of resources exerted for centuries now hiding, perverting, destroying and scattering the foundational roles of Black Africans in human history. Words like "illegal", "disgrace", "misfortune", "disaster", "drought", "harmful", "hostile", "threatening" being associated with the "Black" have absolutely nothing to do with "Black", yet, they are attempts by Euro-Western specialists to destroy positive associations of the word "Black". Furthermore, dictionary.com describes "Black" as follows:
"9. without any moral quality or goodness; evil; wicked: His black heart has concocted yet another black deed."
These were nothing more than attempts reverse the spiritual symbolical meaning of what Black actually means and alway meant before the coming to Whites/Jews and/or Arabs; "Black" was always symbolized as: sacred, holy, powerful, goodwill, reborn, resurrection...and so on.
People like S.O.Y. Keita are in a struggle attempting not to make White people feel bad. It is clear that Ancient Kemetians were 100% Black Africans from head to toe and the very presence of the word "Black" along with the word "African" is of such power that it gives an effect similar to having mountain sized lies come crashing down. Even the worst derogatory terms directed at Black people begin to loose their negative effects. Suddenly, the centuries of resources spent towards the great White/Jewish causes in destroying all things positive associated with "Black" is reduced to nothingness. This of cause becomes a big blow to White/Jewish dogma of Black African history. For the White, Jewish and Arabs elites and specialists, as well as their greater populations to acknowledge the undeniable positivity and foundational roles "Black African" have played throughout human evolution, history and civilization, Black African peoples must continue to research, study, document and publish Black African history no matter who else does it. Black African people must also use Black whenever it is appropriate to do so. The late, great Pharaoh of intellect, Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop directly attributed Black African accomplishments to Black Africans (Negroes) whenever it was appropriate without resorting tricky terms to satisfy racist White or Jewish persons.
In many of S.O.Y. Keita, when dealing with direct genetic research (blood and dna), as well as scientific markings of these specialized areas, classification by skin color/skin tone/features are mostly inappropriate because of the massive varieties humans possess. On the social level, because of the damages cause flawed and racist Eurocentric system of teaching, which has conditioned many individual to visualize Black people and the word "Black" as negative by default, it imperative that good willed scholars directly and explicitly cite and use "Black African(s)" when attributing credits of accomplishments in regards ancient African histories and civilizations.
S.O.Y. Keita reluctance to utilize the word "Black", or "Negro" or even "Negroid" in his work when dealing with the laymen masses is the ensure his checks keep coming. Maybe Black scientist and specialists had to be a bit more creative and work a bit harder for revealing and maintaining the truth, but Cheikh Anta Diop's check kept coming, as was Ivan Van Sertima's, John Clark's and many others. Maybe one day even Keita will find a way to actually say "yes, Ancient Kemet were 100% indigenous Black Africans and all genetic findings support it." Until then, the rest of us will continue to build on the great works of Keita and other intellectual giants and by that time, Keita needn't be pressured into using the proper term "Black African" because everyone else around him will be using it.
I nominate you to take Keita's place, KemsonReloaded. (smile)
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I was under the impression that the first North Africans came from a group of Eurasians from Western Asia (the levant) over 40,000 years ago.
I've also heard that North Africans can somehow be distinguished from Sub-Saharan Africans as well as Europeans, probably because of this exodus from the Levant so long ago. A person from another forum, who is apparently a sholar and supporter of the "no-race" notion, has said that North Africans show both Sub-Saharan and European influence. Sub-Saharan influence at about twice that of European, but both relatively small (8% vs. 4%). I'll see if I can find the study he was referring to.
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Look here boy, I know that outside of trying to pound the skidmarks from your draws you don't have anything else to do in life. So as a result you come here with a passive weasle phrase/word trolling tactic.
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quote:Originally posted by Boofer: I was under the impression that the first North Africans came from a group of Eurasians from Western Asia (the levant) over 40,000 years ago.
I've also heard that North Africans can somehow be distinguished from Sub-Saharan Africans as well as Europeans, probably because of this exodus from the Levant so long ago. A person from another forum, who is apparently a sholar and supporter of the "no-race" notion, has said that North Africans show both Sub-Saharan and European influence. Sub-Saharan influence at about twice that of European, but both relatively small (8% vs. 4%). I'll see if I can find the study he was referring to.
Hello Europa/mathilda still talking the same garbage?
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Boofer, what you posted is false, and derives from the false implication of U6 being Asian. Anyway, one would have to explain away the appearance of Africans in Morroco, in symbolic activity to that of South Africa (Blombos cave) 82kya, and that at this time all humans still resembled Africans. Also, for example as many times as you trolled on this board should already know North Africans carry high levels of derived Y haplogroup E, E is sub Saharan. This being the case how can they only carry 8% sub Saharan lineages?
quote:82,000-year-old shell beads from North Africa and implications for the origins of modern human behavior Abdeljalil Bouzouggar, Nick Barton, Marian Vanhaeren, Francesco d’Errico, Simon Collcutt, Tom Higham, Edward Hodge, Simon Parfitt, Edward Rhodes, Jean-Luc Schwenninger, Chris Stringer, Elaine Turner, Steven Wardo, Abdelkrim Moutmir, and Abdelhamid Stambouli
The first appearance of explicitly symbolic objects in the archaeological record marks a fundamental stage in the emergence of modern social behavior in Homo. Ornaments such as shell beads represent some of the earliest objects of this kind. We report on examples of perforated Nassarius gibbosulus shell beads from Grotte des Pigeons (Taforalt, Morocco), North Africa. These marine shells come from archaeological levels dated by luminescence and uranium-series techniques to 82,000 years ago. They confirm evidence of similar ornaments from other less well dated sites in North Africa and adjacent areas of southwest Asia. The shells are of the same genus as shell beads from slightly younger levels at Blombos Cave in South Africa. Wear patterns on the shells imply that some of them were suspended, and, as at Blombos, they were covered in red ochre. These findings imply an early distribution of bead-making in Africa and southwest Asia at least 40 millennia before the appearance of similar cultural manifestations in Europe.
Until now, the lack of human fossils of appropriate antiquity from sub-Saharan Africa has meant that these competing genetic models of human evolution could not be tested by paleontological evidence.
The skull from Hofmeyr has changed that. The surprising similarity between a fossil skull (Hofmeyr) from the southernmost tip of Africa and similarly ancient skulls from Europe is in agreement with the genetics-based "Out of Africa" theory, which predicts that humans like those that inhabited Eurasia in the Upper Paleolithic should be found in sub-Saharan Africa around 36,000 years ago. The skull from South Africa provides the first fossil evidence in support of this prediction.
European early modern humans and the fate of the Neandertals Erik Trinkaus*
"The skull is large and robust. The maximum estimated length and breadth of the neurocranium, as well as most measurements of the facial skeleton, lie at or exceed two standard deviations (SD) of the means for modern African males ,whereas they lie within these limits for Late Pleistocene crania from Eurasia and North Africa(table S3)."
"As a result of an ongoing cleansing of the fossil record through direct radiometric dating, a series of obviously modern, and in fact Late Upper Paleolithic or Holocene, human remains have been removed from consideration (7). This cleansing has helped to dilute the impression that the earliest modern humans in Europe were just like recent European populations.
Thus, Hofmeyr is seemingly primitive in comparison to recent African crania in a number of features, including a prominent glabella; moderately thick, continuous supraorbital tori; a tall, flat, and straight malar; a broad frontal process of the maxilla; and comparatively large molar crowns.
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quote:Originally posted by akoben: He answered the call of Diop appropriately by evading the questions pointing to the "blackness" of Egypt? Yeh, Diop would be proud...
Why'd you bold the word "evade" as if to apply Diop's critique to Shomarka Keita. That's obviously a distortion. He said anyone who "evades the problem of Egypt", which Keita has tackled head on. The fact that an objective scientist in 2009 doesn't reduce himself to political baggage or concern himself with the rants of a few insatiable black militants doesn't say very much, really. Sarcasm aside though, using terms like Black and White only give fuel for others to criticize him. His arguments are more powerful without resorting to such socio-political labels that are restricted MOSTLY to western attitudes and ideas.. Of course the AE were Black. Of course indigenous Africans are Black. Stop looking for Keita to force feed you what is otherwise overtly apparent. Draw your own conclusion from his expert analysis. You don't need him to conclude for you what your mind is capable of understanding. If the data tells you they're Black, then why does Keita have to say it verbatim for you in order for it to be true?
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quote:Originally posted by Youngblood Priest[Formerly The Bass:
quote:Originally posted by Boofer: I was under the impression that the first North Africans came from a group of Eurasians from Western Asia (the levant) over 40,000 years ago.
I've also heard that North Africans can somehow be distinguished from Sub-Saharan Africans as well as Europeans, probably because of this exodus from the Levant so long ago. A person from another forum, who is apparently a sholar and supporter of the "no-race" notion, has said that North Africans show both Sub-Saharan and European influence. Sub-Saharan influence at about twice that of European, but both relatively small (8% vs. 4%). I'll see if I can find the study he was referring to.
Hello Europa/mathilda still talking the same garbage?
Mathilda's claim to fame lately is her so-called "evidence" of Eurasian migrations into North Africa 35,000 years ago. She tries hard to support this ideas with research and studies from other scholars, by distorting their work in most cases, including the work of Keita. But the fundamental joke about all of this is that there is no single example of a Eurasian white skeleton anywhere on the planet 35,000 years ago. Not only that but the earliest skeletons from Europe are only 35,000-40,000 years old and have traits which are not close to modern white Europeans or Asians. But she clings to this nonsense of a back migration into North Africa of "Eurasians" 40,000 years ago, based on supposed DNA evidence, implying that they were white people, even as no examples of white Eurasian skeletons have ever been found from 35,000 years ago anywhere on the planet. And the studies she posts on her site most often contradict her base argument and it is hilarious to hear her distortions, especially the idea that ancient "Nubians" are closer to Europeans than Africans. Someone like that has more than a few screws loose, but unfortunately, many people still fall for that nonsense, possibly because they have a white is right mentality and don't know it.
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quote:gaykoben whines: But you said this, but you said that, but didn't you say this, but didn't you say that....
Yes I know it annoys you
Actually it's funny seeing as you're supposed to be some kind of intellectual, albeit, in all debates you're never sure on anything you're always distorting, and at the end, you're reduced to saying but but but but but but but.......
Bwahahahahahahahaahaaaa
As if spics were ever intellectuals lol
Dude you are the one with the most European ancestry in here why do you call people white as if that is an insult? why are you insulting your great European ancestors that saved your island hoping people from backwardness?
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quote:Originally posted by akoben: He answered the call of Diop appropriately by evading the questions pointing to the "blackness" of Egypt? Yeh, Diop would be proud...
Why'd you bold the word "evade" as if to apply Diop's critique to Shomarka Keita. That's obviously a distortion. He said anyone who "evades the problem of Egypt", which Keita has tackled head on. The fact that an objective scientist in 2009 doesn't reduce himself to political baggage or concern himself with the rants of a few insatiable black militants doesn't say very much, really. Sarcasm aside though, using terms like Black and White only give fuel for others to criticize him. His arguments are more powerful without resorting to such socio-political labels that are restricted MOSTLY to western attitudes and ideas.. Of course the AE were Black. Of course indigenous Africans are Black. Stop looking for Keita to force feed you what is otherwise overtly apparent. Draw your own conclusion from his expert analysis. You don't need him to conclude for you what your mind is capable of understanding. If the data tells you they're Black, then why does Keita have to say it verbatim for you in order for it to be true?
You are missing the point Sundjata; look I don't believe Ancient Egyptians were black, but for the sake of this argument I will assume that they were.
This discussion of Egypt is not about the educated, it is about the LAYMEN. The LAYMEN watch National Geographic and the History channel and go to school and study history. The educated are null and void and have a small circle.
The uneducated use terms like black and white so why would Keita not use the terms to be intelligible to the LAYMEN?
You have to the use the right language in concordance with the audience. I did not know that Keita was an African American, I thought he was a real African. I don't trust African Americans in their promptness and their sycophantic nature for their white masters and whorish nature for money. I agree that he is only trying to mitigate the Afrocentric vs. Eurocentric war and he is doing a very good job.
I mean come on Sundjata the clown said that he has two white great grandfathers and as soon as he said that I turned off the tape. So now all a white dude has to do is look at his reddish brown skin color and say well Egyptians could have been mixed because look at Keita smh.
What is you Afro Americans obsession with being mixed in the states but you want Egyptians to be pure lol? And he even said that there is noone that is pure, I am still wondering what that means and why anyone on this site that agrees with that statement say that Egyptians are 100% black.
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quote:Originally posted by DevilNegrokiller_Wolofi:
^^Typical spic humor and mentality LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL *I am really laughing by the way*
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"Always deny that these are images of blacks, call them reddish brown or simply Egyptians. Remember, the only blacks in AE art were the 'nubians'".
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LOL okie dokie, yep this guy is a Eurocentric shill.
The black guy in the audience is just like me, he is asking valid questions about the limits of phenotype and where it starts and where it end and Keita is saying there isn't one. He and I are just as baffled as to how you classify someone without definite measures smh.
So the answer to "are Egyptians black, White, Arab, Mixed" is "They are human" LOLOL Great job Keita you make the white liberal man very proud as do most Western negro shills smh
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quote:Originally posted by akoben: He answered the call of Diop appropriately by evading the questions pointing to the "blackness" of Egypt? Yeh, Diop would be proud...
Why'd you bold the word "evade" as if to apply Diop's critique to Shomarka Keita. That's obviously a distortion. He said anyone who "evades the problem of Egypt", which Keita has tackled head on. The fact that an objective scientist in 2009 doesn't reduce himself to political baggage or concern himself with the rants of a few insatiable black militants doesn't say very much, really. Sarcasm aside though, using terms like Black and White only give fuel for others to criticize him. His arguments are more powerful without resorting to such socio-political labels that are restricted MOSTLY to western attitudes and ideas.. Of course the AE were Black. Of course indigenous Africans are Black. Stop looking for Keita to force feed you what is otherwise overtly apparent. Draw your own conclusion from his expert analysis. You don't need him to conclude for you what your mind is capable of understanding. If the data tells you they're Black, then why does Keita have to say it verbatim for you in order for it to be true?
You're mistaken young man. I'm not looking for Keita to tell me anything courageous black scholars such as Dr. Ben or Diop didn't tell me already. I mean, Dr. Ben got fired from many white institutions for telling the truth and many of our scholars caught hell otherwise, yet this Keita can't find the balls to say Of course the AE were Black?
But as you are a condescending anti-black nationalist bourgeois negro living in an all white suburb, I do understand your soft spot for the mainstream, which is why you love Obama and despise third world blacks especially starving Somalis. You people are so predictable.
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The student asks if the first people that came out of AFrica were negros and this Keita clown keeps saying "I don't use that word" then he asks if they were black "I don't know what you mean by that".
Man oh man you armchair sycophants on this site have A LOT of explaining to do for your championed leader Keita for staying ambiguous with that concise "trivial" question that he politicizes.
This is why I don't like African Americans man smh.
Anyone that can't answer whether first people out of Africa were black because that is controversial to them should NEVER be taken seriously. Especially a person of African descent. Scared azz nig gas from the West I tell you.
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Wolofi aka woof woof weef weef wee aka vida (the white boy with pink blisters on his penis) wrote: ---------------------------------- ----------------------------------
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: But am I wrong about the ointment?
FYI everyone: The above poster goes around flashing women and children with an erection that has pink blisters on it.
He has darn near an unlimited craving for calamine ointment for obvious reasons.
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Hey Woof Woof Weef Weef Wee aka Wolofi (the white boy) aka vida,
Walmart is having a sale on ointment!!
(woof woof weef weef wee is running to his car)
<SCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRCH>
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
quote:Originally sobbed by DevilNegrokiller_Wolofi:
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: DevilNegrokiller_Wolofi aka vida (the white boy) wrote:
Look dude I am the only that actually laughs at your jokes you better stop trying to make an enemy you need me you sociopath lol.
Stop the gay innuendo thats you Afro Americans that are gay not Africans argyle.
The ditz even referred to himself as an African American "you're wrong about us " responding to criticism on African Americans right before posting the above. "His" name tells you he's in an identity crisis.
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quote:Originally posted by Alive: Even the other trolls regard you as a joke
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Wolofi aka woof woof weef weef wee aka vida (the white boy with pink blisters on his penis) wrote: ---------------------------------- ----------------------------------
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: But am I wrong about the ointment?
FYI everyone: The above poster goes around flashing women and children with an erection that has pink blisters on it.
He has darn near an unlimited craving for calamine ointment for obvious reasons.
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Hey Woof Woof Weef Weef Wee aka Wolofi (the white boy) aka vida,
Walmart is having a sale on ointment!!
(woof woof weef weef wee is running to his car)
<SCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRCH>
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
quote:Originally sobbed by DevilNegrokiller_Wolofi:
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: DevilNegrokiller_Wolofi aka vida (the white boy) wrote:
Look dude I am the only that actually laughs at your jokes you better stop trying to make an enemy you need me you sociopath lol.
Stop the gay innuendo thats you Afro Americans that are gay not Africans argyle.
The ditz even referred to an African American "you're wrong about us " responding to criticism on African Americans right before posting the above. "His" name tells you he's in an identity crisis.
^^^ I don't understand any of the spamming you are doing child. Just address what the issue is and stop clowning around. If you want people to take the Anthropology war between Eurocentrics and Afrocentrics serious then take it serious.
Now please address why you sycophantic Afrocentrics like this Keita guy but he is NOT on your side nor does he say what you people claim he says about Africa, Ancient Egypt and being "black". We have the empirical proof now that this guy is a Eurocentric shill.
I am not going to go back and forth with silly insults with you youngsters...stick to the topic...if you don't then I will not respond.
Thank you
Man up children, I think the issue here is YOU HAVE ALL BEEN CAUGHT LYING!!!!!!!! and you want to through ad hominem attacks to deflect you're exposure. BUT..I hope this is not the case.
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quote:Originally posted by akoben: courageous black scholars such as Dr. Ben or Diop didn't tell me already. I mean, Dr. Ben got fired from many white institutions for telling the truth and many of our scholars caught hell otherwise, yet this Keita can't find the balls to say Of course the AE were Black?
Damn, that Puerto Rican spic Dr. BEN-Jochannan, Yosef Alfredo Antonio got fired for telling those crackas the truth........? Damn spics!!
quote:Dr. Yosef A. A. Ben-Jochannan, affectionately known as "Dr. Ben" was born December 31, 1918, to a Puerto Rican mother and an Ethiopian father in what is known as the "Falasha" Hebrew community in Gondar, Ethiopia.
Dr. Ben's formal education began in Puerto Rico. His early education continued in The Virgin Islands and in Brazil, where he attended elementary and secondary school. Dr. Ben earned a B.S. degree in Civil Engineering at the university of Puerto Rico, and a Master's degree in Architectural Engineering from the University of Havana, Cuba. He received doctorial degrees in Cultural Anthropology and Moorish History, from the University of Havana and the University of Barcelona Spain.
....and damn that Puerto Rican spic Arthur Schomburg why'd he have to influence Dr Clarke? Damn spics huh? They were never intellects....
quote:Originally posted by Knowledgeiskey718: In the infamous words of self described Afro-Borucua (Afro-Puerto Rican) Arturo Schomburg to Dr. Clarke....
quote: In an interview with Civil Rights Journal, Clarke described his first encounter with the man who "opened up my eyes to the fact that I came from a old people, older than slavery, older than the people who oppressed us."
"He was holding down the desk. I was a teenager then. So I wanted to know the whole history of my people all over the world, henceforth, in the hour þ his lunch hour!
"'Sit down, son,' he said. 'What you're calling African history, Negro history, are the missing pages of World history. Read the history of the people who took you out of history, and you will find out why they were so insecure they had to take you out of history, why they could not stand for your history to compete with theirs'
"Once I began to have some background in European history, I could bring African history into proper focus. But Arthur Schomburg, more than any other single human being, set me in motion in the pursuit of a career as a teacher of history," says the 80-year old Dr. Clarke, Professor Emeritus of African and World History at Hunter College's Department of **Black and Puerto Rican** Studies.
^^Better tell Dr. Clarke stop teaching them spics history.....
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^^^I told you this guy was trying to hijack African culture!!!! And create a caste system against blacks with Puerto Ricans above!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Man this guy is something else.
The sad thing is all you nigs care about is the white man this and the white man that not even realizing that non whites hate you even MORE and do more divisive things to African people's than whites do lol.
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LOL okie dokie, yep this guy is a Eurocentric shill.
The black guy in the audience is just like me, he is asking valid questions about the limits of phenotype and where it starts and where it end and Keita is saying there isn't one. He and I are just as baffled as to how you classify someone without definite measures smh.
So the answer to "are Egyptians black, White, Arab, Mixed" is "They are human" [Roll Eyes] LOLOL Great job Keita you make the white liberal man very proud as do most Western negro shills smh
quote:Originally posted by akoben: courageous black scholars such as Dr. Ben or Diop didn't tell me already. I mean, Dr. Ben got fired from many white institutions for telling the truth and many of our scholars caught hell otherwise, yet this Keita can't find the balls to say Of course the AE were Black?
Damn, that Puerto Rican spic Dr. BEN-Jochannan, Yosef Alfredo Antonio got fired for telling those crackas the truth........? Damn spics!!
quote:Dr. Yosef A. A. Ben-Jochannan, affectionately known as "Dr. Ben" was born December 31, 1918, to a Puerto Rican mother and an Ethiopian father in what is known as the "Falasha" Hebrew community in Gondar, Ethiopia.
Dr. Ben's formal education began in Puerto Rico. His early education continued in The Virgin Islands and in Brazil, where he attended elementary and secondary school. Dr. Ben earned a B.S. degree in Civil Engineering at the university of Puerto Rico, and a Master's degree in Architectural Engineering from the University of Havana, Cuba. He received doctorial degrees in Cultural Anthropology and Moorish History, from the University of Havana and the University of Barcelona Spain.
....and damn that Puerto Rican spic Arthur Schomburg why'd he have to influence Dr Clarke? Damn spics huh? They were never intellects....
quote:Originally posted by Knowledgeiskey718: In the infamous words of self described Afro-Borucua (Afro-Puerto Rican) Arturo Schomburg to Dr. Clarke....
quote: In an interview with Civil Rights Journal, Clarke described his first encounter with the man who "opened up my eyes to the fact that I came from a old people, older than slavery, older than the people who oppressed us."
"He was holding down the desk. I was a teenager then. So I wanted to know the whole history of my people all over the world, henceforth, in the hour þ his lunch hour!
"'Sit down, son,' he said. 'What you're calling African history, Negro history, are the missing pages of World history. Read the history of the people who took you out of history, and you will find out why they were so insecure they had to take you out of history, why they could not stand for your history to compete with theirs'
"Once I began to have some background in European history, I could bring African history into proper focus. But Arthur Schomburg, more than any other single human being, set me in motion in the pursuit of a career as a teacher of history," says the 80-year old Dr. Clarke, Professor Emeritus of African and World History at Hunter College's Department of **Black and Puerto Rican** Studies.
^^Better tell Dr. Clarke stop teaching them spics history.....
Dr. Ben is Ethiopian and you can keep Schomburg. As for Clarke, I thought he was commie influenced? Oh well. lol
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but who thinks the above is funny but a homosexual nazi from Europe? Seriously?
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and the furthest one to the right is the real "one way or the other" one. 
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Sarcasm aside though, using terms like Black and White only give fuel for others to criticize him. His arguments are more powerful without resorting to such socio-political labels that are restricted MOSTLY to western attitudes and ideas.. Of course the AE were Black. Of course indigenous Africans are Black. Stop looking for Keita to force feed you what is otherwise overtly apparent. Draw your own conclusion from his expert analysis. You don't need him to conclude for you what your mind is capable of understanding. If the data tells you they're Black, then why does Keita have to say it verbatim for you in order for it to be true?
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