Now, that's what I call a good picture. Nice evidence! I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen this with my own eyes that England, even at that late date still had prominent black kings.
In North Africa, America, India, Mexico, wherever whites went, Africans and other native populations were killed by the tens and hundreds of thousands and even millions from white diseases they'd not been exposed to like chicken pox and small pox.
During the time of Stuart in 1665 was the Great Plague. I wonder if this was somehow a period where England still had a Negro / African population and whites entered in large numbers bringing that killing disease with them. Whites'd not be so adversely affected as they were carriers and developed immunity but Africans had no antibodies to defend themselves.
Do you have information on the numbers of blacks / Africans in England at that time? They were numerous as the May Day Celebration was spoken of in Van Sertima's book, THE GOLDEN AGE OF THE MOOR, as being an African holiday that whites carried on.
But, in terms of actual numbers of Africans in England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland then I have no numbers. Would you have actual numbers, by any chance?
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[Maria Jacoba van Goor (1687-1737), a very rich regentclass Dutch woman. Some see African features. Her granddaughter mentions that she herself does not have the white hands, a eufemism for coloured skin.]
[William of Orange, dark and prognastic]
An earlier portrait of William of Orange.
Keep up the good work. You are pioneering an area no other person, to my knowledge, is working in. You are doing historically important work.
Carry on.
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William of Orange I would call one of the so called whites.
But Charles II is clearly a so-called black.
Now the interesting thing is that the English lords invited William of Orange to come run out the line of Charles II.
Now the Orange Order is an order formed to promote the works and legacies of William Orange haired boy. The Orange order is a protestant fraternity similar to KKK. they are a bunch of racists and orange supremacist. They are spread all over the world.
Read about the house of Orange and how it overthrew the legacy of Charles II and how they still celebrate that victory from red neck south Africa to red neck part Australia.
I will be back with more.
Egmond keep up your good work.
Greetings Marc!
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Dear friends, be adviced that the past year I have been explaining my Blue blood is black blood (1500-1789) theory. And that the enemy of the negro is the negro himself.
And that white supremacy is based on faked white portraits. But the Americans who write here are so indoctrinated by white supremacy thatr they cannot see straight. The white's were oppressed, but have gotten even royally by keeping house in Africa and Asia, the past two hundred years. So we are even. Just like we had apartheid in South africa, we had Reversed Apartheid in Europe (1500-1789).
Americans who study the beginning of the colourline are not getting the real picture if they ignore the fact that the Stuarts were black kings and queens. When the colourline began a black queen was ruling britain: Queen Anne.
As to king William of England, well he was the cousin of the Black boy and a greatgrandson of William of Orange (1533-1583) who was described as More brown then white and brown of colour and the beard. The name orange has nothing to do with haircolour but a principality in the south of France: Orange, thus Prince of Orange
Slavery started when blacks ruled Europe (1441). Slavery was not about colour but about making money. And nice if African kings themselves were willing to sell their own subjects to slave traders.
Off course you guys understand that The black boy had a black father and mother as whites do not make white babies. His brother James II and his daughter Anne (a lesbian) were black, his sister maria Henriette Stuart was black and all the women he married and fucked were black. His bastards were black. His cousin The sun king, Louis XIV was black, as were all the Bourbons and Valois kings.
Blue blood, the high borned nobility, was black, symbolised by images of the Moor.(1500-1789)
Racism can be deconstructed as a liberation theory to free whites from their black oppressors. The symbol of black superiority becaome the symbol of hatred. Of course now it has taken a life of its own.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Definitely some interesting articles. But stay away from the gay porn stuff. Keep it clean.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
King Charles II Stuart, alias The Black Boy
The Black Boy's granfather James I, who gave us the King James Bible was kissing men in front of the whole court. Now there is some royal gay porn stuff if not! He loved the blond hunks in tight breeches showing their whole business to the world.
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Where does that picture of Anne of Denmark come from? Where did she come from? How did these supposed Black royal families rise to power in 95% white areas? I mean, I know the Moors had a ton of influence on Europe, but by this time that power had already begun waning. There are a ton of questions that need answering and theorizing. That pic of Anne is the darkest I've ever seen of a supposed medieval royal. I'm not totally writing it off (after all, we do have numerous European Coats of Arms with Black faces on them), it's just bizarre.
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quote:Originally posted by King_Scorpion: Where does that picture of Anne of Denmark come from? Where did she come from? How did these supposed Black royal families rise to power in 95% white areas? I mean, I know the Moors had a ton of influence on Europe, but by this time that power had already begun waning. There are a ton of questions that need answering and theorizing. That pic of Anne is the darkest I've ever seen of a supposed medieval royal. I'm not totally writing it off (after all, we do have numerous European Coats of Arms with Black faces on them), it's just bizarre.
Look for Masque of Blackness, a play ordered by Anne of Denmark (1605) in praise of black beaty which does not fade and how Africans came to Europe looking for a milder sun.
The Grimaldi Human arrived 40.000 years ago in Europe from Africa and lived till far into the 19th century as blacks and coloureds. Africans never stopped coming to Europe. By 1500 they had power all over Europe which they lost in 1789 with the French Revolution. Their rule should be compared with Apartheid South Africa and I have defined this as Reversed Apartheid. Blacks on top, not victims.
When the muslim Mores arrived they dealt with Europeans black and white. Black European were depicted as whites to distinguish them from black muslims and heathens who were depicted as black. By 1120 Saint Maurice was shown as a black, classical African. This signaled the black Europeans starting to assert themselves as blacks. They brought the Renaissance, making Europe what it is today.
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Alessandro de Medici, Count of Florence, namen Il Moro
Henriette Maria, Queen of Charles I was the mother of The Black Boy. Her mother was Maria de Medici, Queen of France
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« Il y au eu des falsificateurs de l'histoire. Ils ont commis un véritable crime contre l'Humanité. Il y a deux générations entičres de spécialistes occidentaux qui ont été coupables de ce crime ŕ l'égard de l'Humanité. » ~ Cheikh Anta Diop ŕ propos des égyptologues européens
[ l’encre: [ inkt] L'encre est une substance fortement teintée, généralement noire, qui sert ŕ marquer le support, papier, textile. Les encres sont utilisées pour l'écriture, le dessin, l'impression ou la décoration. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encre]
Voilŕ le vrai look de Louis XIV, par Hyacinthe Nigaud
Tous les Blancs sont des menteurs. Je dirais męme plus, citant le Savant Professeur J-P Omotunde: le mensonge est l’étoffe męme de l’histoire leucodermique. Ainsi, on nous a fait croire que les Grands Personnages de l'Histoire, de la Science, de la Philosophie, étaient tous des Blancs. L'histoire écrite par les Blancs eurocentristes est un effort gigantesque, une conspiration pour occulter et falsifier la Vraie Vérité Véritable: que l'Afrique est le berceau de la Science, de l'Histoire, de la Civilisation.
Votre serviteur, le Savant Pr. P. Brisset vient de faire une découverte décoiffante, qui sera bientôt publiée chez l'éditeur Menaibuc: Louis XIV était noir!. Nous en avons des preuves irréfutables. Aprčs Cléopâtre, Charlemagne, Socrate, les leukodermes perdent les fleurons de leur "civilisation" pâlissante ŕ l'Afrique triomphante. Cette découverte rapproche Louis XIV d'autres Grands Rois noirs, comme les Pharaons d'Égypte, qui étaient noirs, comme l'a prouvé le Grand Savant Cheikh Anta Diop.
Voici déjŕ quelques preuves de cette thčse:
Des témoins oculaires de l'exhumation ŕ Saint-Denis en 1793 témoignent: Quelques-uns de ces corps étaient bien conservés, surtout celui de Louis XIII; mais la peau de celui de Louis XIV était noire comme de l'encre. Les enfants de Louis XIV étaient Noirs. L'existence d'une fille noire de sang royal, indubitablement la fille de Louis XIV, est mentionnée par des mémorialistes comme La Grande Mademoiselle, Mme de Montespan, Saint-Simon, Voltaire et le cardinal Dubois. Cette Négresse de Moret vivait comme religieuse au couvent de Moret, oů la famille royale allait la voir de temps en temps. La Couronne lui versait une pension.
Selon des documents de son temps (p.e. Saint Simon, de Sévigné), le Roi déjeunait le matin, dînait ŕ midi, et soupait le soir, comme font les Belges. Il est bien probable qu'il était donc belge, ou bien il les imitait. Or, nous savons par preuves irréfutables que les Belges ŕ cette époque étaient noirs (voir l'article La Belgique fondée par les Égyptiens : preuves irréfutables du célčbre Savant Pr. P. Brisset).
[Charles II Stuart: The Black Boy] La famille : le cousin du Roi, Charles II Stuart d'Angleterre (le fils de sa tante Henriette), était noir aussi. On l'appelait "Black Boy" - il existe maints pubs en Angleterre de ce nom. Le Savant Pr. Oguejiofo Annu mentionne dans son article que le nom Stuart est dérivé du mot nordique svart, ce qui veut dire noir. Le nom Bourbon est d'origine sénégalaise: en Wolof (la langue de Cheikh Anta Diop et de l'Égypte antique), Louis bou bonn signifie Louis le mauvais - le Code Noir l'avait rendu trčs impopulaire aux colonies. Le nom Capet signifie, en dialecte Lebu flatulent. L'état américain de Louisiane - 30% de population noire - est appellé d'aprčs Louis XIV justement ŕ cause de son importante densité de Noirs. Sinon, pourquoi? Les Français honorent toujours leur Roi Noir: une recherche Google trouve plus de 1500 rues, avenues, boulevards Louis Lenoir! Ce serait qui d'autre que Louis XIV, męme si ces hypocrites de Blancs en masquent le nom? Vous connaissez un autre Louis digne de 1500 rues? Allez une fois! Mentionnons aussi les travaux du Célčbre Savant Egmond Codfried, qui a prouvé que l'expression sang bleu veut dire en réalité sang noir. Les peintures de Louis XIV ont été faussés. Déjŕ on s'étonne qu'il y existe si peu de portraits de Louis XIV, et cela pour un monarque qui a gouverné 72 ans. Il y a avait donc quelque chose ŕ cacher. Rigaud, Le Brun... tous ces peintres ont été bien payés pour leur mensonges, pour faire semblant que Louis XIV était blanc. Les vrais portraits se trouvent dans les caves du Louvre - secret d'État. Ces témoignages, preuves irréfutables et d'autres preuves qui restent encore cachés dans les caves et coffres-forts des Blancs, ne peuvent nous mener qu'ŕ une seule conclusion: Louis XIV était Noir. Et peut-ętre belge. +++
[Alexandre Lenoir by Jacques Louis David]
Alexandre Lenoir From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Alexandre Lenoir by Jacques Louis David (1815-1817), Paris musée du Louvre.Marie Alexandre Lenoir (27 December 1761, Paris - 11 June 1839) was a French archaeologist. Self-taught and devoted to saving France's historic monuments, sculptures and tombs from the ravages of the French Revolution, notably those of Saint-Denis and Sainte-Genevičve.
Alexandre Lenoir
In 1795, Alexandre Lenoir opened the Musée des monuments français to the public and served as its administrator for 30 years, but he had to restore most of its collections to their former private and public owners on the Bourbon Restoration in 1816. What remained would be partly moved to the Louvre in 1824 (in the galerie d'Angoulęme under the generic term of musée de la sculpture française) and partly in the musée de Versailles in 1836.
I have discovered a theory Blue Blood is Black Blood (1500-1789) which also tells us why there is racism against blacks. We can now deconstruct racism as a conscious and overwrought liberation ideology formulated to free Europe from black domination by a noble, black elite.
The many precious images of Moors in western art symbolise blue blood. White supremacy is based on revisionist, fake, whitened portraits of a black elite. Today I found all this corroborated by a French researcher that Louis XIV, King of France and cousin of The Black Boy, Charles II Stuart, was black as ink! (L’encre)
At last more people are recognizing the truths in my findings, and mention these on their site’s taking care to mention its source. I predict that my discoveries are the future.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Egmond. Your research is revolutionary. It is the future. Just like Marc Washington, and Clyde Winters.
Friends, the teachings of these wise men should be approached with respect.
They tie in with the teachings of the Moorish Science Temple. Old knowledge rediscovered. Look up Noble Drew Ali and the Moorish Science Temple.
Lion!
African man, anonymous, Spanish noble man at the Habsburg court (Mostaert)
Bless you dear!
In my research The Moors are those Classical African men and women in European art. They are usually not real people and I cannot find any connection with the Islamic, Spanish Moors. It seems as if this lot's presence did not reach Western Europe, nor do I find evidence of conquering Islam outside this area of Europe.
I do find early European universities as the one in Leiden/The Netherlands being found to translate Arabic translations of Greek books. William I of Orange (1533-1584, giving his copies of the Koran to the university at its opening.
My theory is based on a better definition of what is white and what is black and a rejection of 'True Negroes and African Caucasian nonsense.' Rasta Lewiry's site has some good articles on this head. In this way we find blacks in places they told us there were not. And it shows that blacks are not victims or natural slaves or any of that b.s. White supremacy is based on whitened portraits of an elite described as black and coloured.
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Queen Mary of Scots (1542-1587),by Clouet, The great-grandmother of Charles II Stuart, The Black Boy. famous for her beauty. Her grandmother was a sister of Henry VIII Tudor, who was the father of Queen Elizabeth I, who had her niece beheaded. After Elizabeth's demise Mary's only child, James I Stuart became king. He united Scotland and England which then became Great Britain.
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An old thread but...It's sad to see how a person like Egmond Codfried mocks black people. How can he think us to be stupid enough to believe that a woman dressed up and painted for a PLAY to be an evidence she's black in real life? I'm refering to his idea that the sketch of the black woman from the play is a proof that Anne of Denmark indeed was black.
And to the wood-engraving of Charles II that Codfried's showing. Yes, the king does look coloured, however not at all black as ink as Codfried likes to point out in various sites. But that can't be seen as a proof of his true colour of complexion. Wood-engravings can't give out a person's real colour. That one Codfreid's showing can just be poorly done or may be the artist wanted to mock Charles II:s South European ancestory by making him look darker than he really were.
It's as if people 300 years from now would take Codfrieds whitened pic of Obama and say, hey, this man was white. To heck with the fact there are thousends of pics depicting him as a black man, to heck with the fact you can still see afro american facial traits on his whitened pic. To us now that sounds weird. But that is what Codfried's doing to the king.
Having said this, and that's why I'm bumping this old thread,I want to point out that the idea of the possibility of a black king in Europe is thrilling, and I would want a real researcher to devote himself to this task.
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quote:Originally posted by Miles Thiam: An old thread but...It's sad to see how a person like Egmond Codfried mocks black people. How can he think us to be stupid enough to believe that a woman dressed up and painted for a PLAY to be an evidence she's black in real life? I'm refering to his idea that the sketch of the black woman from the play is a proof that Anne of Denmark indeed was black.
And to the wood-engraving of Charles II that Codfried's showing. Yes, the king does look coloured, however not at all black as ink as Codfried likes to point out in various sites. But that can't be seen as a proof of his true colour of complexion. Wood-engravings can't give out a person's real colour. That one Codfreid's showing can just be poorly done or may be the artist wanted to mock Charles II:s South European ancestory by making him look darker than he really were.
It's as if people 300 years from now would take Codfrieds whitened pic of Obama and say, hey, this man was white. To heck with the fact there are thousends of pics depicting him as a black man, to heck with the fact you can still see afro american facial traits on his whitened pic. To us now that sounds weird. But that is what Codfried's doing to the king.
Having said this, and that's why I'm bumping this old thread,I want to point out that the idea of the possibility of a black king in Europe is thrilling, and I would want a real researcher to devote himself to this task.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, DEAR! NOW GO BACK TO SLEEP.
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quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: OP, can you please explain this -
Charles II in the robes of the Order of the Garter, c. 1675, as painted by Sir Peter Lely.
Look at the date the portrait was made.
What about the date, dear? I have found that the name of the painter or the date add's precious little to my reserach. They are a dead end, when I explored them. Of importance is only if the piece fits in the time frame of 1500-1789. The eurocentrist like to describe thing one at the time in extreme detail, yet the fact the person was descibed as black is never mentioned. Like discussing Obama in detail without going into the fact that he is black.
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The black boy as a child. The latest b.s about faces appearing black is because of a fungus which attacks the copperplates which they use for these engraved portraits. This evil fungus apparently only attacks faces and hands, not the white lace collars and cuffs.
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Even a black person can put on black face to look blacker, no?
The question should be; what business the queen of England has, supposedly blindingly white and blond too, to order and perform in a play at the palace in praise of black beauty and which talks about Africans coming from Africa to Europe looking for a milder sun?
This piece is just another piece of the puzzle and does not support the whole theory. It's part of the evidence in a forensic research, severely hampered by 200 years of revisionist practices by these evil people.
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"Described as Black" in what context? I mean jesus christ already! You morons actually think the term "Black" back then was an absolute term exclusively used for African Negroes. You ignore the fact that the term was also used back then to denote one darker then the norm.
The painting I supplied is significant because it bears the same damn facial feature as the BLACK AND WHITE you provide. The painting pretty much tells us the ethnicity or at least the complexion of the man. The portrait was done when the man was in his 40s.
You guys kill me with your pseudo and shoddy scholarship.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: I have found that the name of the painter or the date add's precious little to my reserach. They are a dead end, when I explored them. Of importance is only if the piece fits in the time frame of 1500-1789. The eurocentrist like to describe thing one at the time in extreme detail, yet the fact the person was descibed as black is never mentioned. Like discussing Obama in detail without going into the fact that he is black.
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^ But this thread was a bit entertaining for awhile.
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Proof that Obama is a white man, because there are these portraits which show him as white!
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Charles II Stuart, The Black Boy, as a child with his future illegitimate daughter by Barbara de Villiers, The Countess of Lichfield. She is whitened, of course.
Here the motive of the Moor as a symbol of blue blood has been wittily used, by utilising a youth image of her father, who would make sure she would have all the benefits her nobility guarantees.
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quote: Black Queen of England Queen Charlotte and her Contributions to Britain
Princess Sophie Charlotte was born on May 19, 1744--the eighth child of the Prince of Mirow, Germany, Charles Louis Frederick, and his wife, Elisabeth Albertina of Saxe-Hildburghausen. In 1752, when she was eight years old, Sophie Charlotte's father died.
A princess of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, Sophie Charlotte was descended directly from an African branch of the Portuguese Royal House, Margarita de Castro y Sousa. Six different lines can be traced from Princess Sophie Charlotte back to Margarita de Castro y Sousa. This explains her African appearance in her Royal portraits that exist today.
Sophie Charlotte married George III of England on 8 September 1761, at the Chapel Royal in St James’s Palace, London, at the age of 17 years of age becoming the Queen of England and Ireland. Their were conditions in the contract for marriage, ‘The young princess…, join the Anglican church and be married according to Anglican rites, and never ever involve herself in politics’. Although the Queen had an interest in what was happening in the world, especially the war in America, she is seen to have fulfilled her marital agreement.
An indicator of George’s feelings towards his wife may be seen by the fact that, as stated on the Royal website, ‘George III bought Buckingham House in 1761 for his wife Queen Charlotte to use as a comfortable family home close to St James's Palace, …14 of George III's 15 children were born there’.
Having married the King, she became consort to the George III, and they were both devoted to each other. The Royal couple had fifteen children, thirteen of whom survived to adulthood. There fourth eldest son was Edward Augustus, Duke of Kent (2/11/1767- 23/01/1820), who later fathered Queen Victoria.
Her Majesty Queen Charlotte made many contributions to Britain as it is today, though the evidence is not obvious or well publicised. Her African blood line in the British royal family is not common knowledge. Portraits of the Queen had been reduced to fiction of the Black Magi, until two art historians suggested that the definite African features of the paintings derived from actual subjects, not the minds of painters.
In Queen Charlottes era slavery was prevalent and the anti-slavery campaign building up. This may go some way to explaining why Britons are not fully aware of the racial mix of the royal family. Portrait painters of the royal family were expected to play down or soften Queen Charlottes African features.
Painters such as Sir Thomas Lawrence, who painted, Queen Charlotte in the autumn of 1789 had their paintings rejected by the royal couple who were not happy with the representations of the likeness of the Queen. These portraits are amongst those that are available to view now, which could be seen as continuing the political interests of those that disapprove of a multi-racial royal family for Britain.
Sir Allan Ramsey produced the most African representations of the Queen, he was responsible for the majority of the paintings of the Queen. Ramsey’s inclination to paint truer versions of the Queen could be seen to have come from being ‘an anti-slavery intellectual of his day’, Frontline.
The Coronation painting by Ramsey, of the Queen was sent out to the colonies/commonwealth and played a subtle political role in the anti-slavery movement. Johann Zoffany also frequently painted the Royal family in informal family scenes.
Queen Charlotte was a learned character, her letters indicate that she is well read and had interests in the fine arts. The Queen is known to have supported and been taught music by Johann Christian Bach. She was extremely generous to Bach’s wife after Bach’s death. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, at aged eight dedicated his Opus 3 piece to the Queen at her request.
Also an amateur botanist, Queen Charlotte helped to establish Kew Gardens bringing amongst others the Strelitzia Reginae, a flowering plant from South Africa.
The Christmas tree was introduced to England by the Queen who had the first one in her house, in 1800. It was said to be decorated with, ‘sweet-meats, almonds and rasins in papers, fruit and toys,’.
The Queen Charlotte Maternity hospital is in London and has been since 1739. Set up as a charitable institution, it is the oldest maternity care institution in England.
Another care venture for the Queen was when George III became ill in 1765 and Queen Charlotte took care of him, noting in one of her letters to her brother that spending time in Weymouth became frequent as bathing in the sea was beneficial to the King.
Queen Charlotte died at Dutch House in Surrey, now Kew Palace, in the presence of her eldest son, the Prince Regent. She is buried at St George’s Chapel, Windsor.
The only private writings that have survived are Queen Charlotte's 444 letters to her closest confidant--her older brother, Charles II (1741-1816), Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. On 23 May 1773 in a letter to her younger brother: ‘I find that the solitary and retiring life which I lead is not made for me. Having admitted this I assure you I shall not ignore my duty’. This shows that the Queen felt she was in a position of privilege yet a task. Her Christian faith was a protection and a method of endurance, as she quotes from the Bible and recognises her role as a royal of God beyond her royal role on earth.
The Christmas tree that Queen Charlotte introduced is still very evident today. A well established custom of over 200 years at Christmas time, are present in nearly every household and public building in Britain, still decorated with lights and shiny objects.
An exhibition took place in 2004, at the Queen’s Gallery, Buckingham Palace displaying Charlotte and George’s collections and tastes in the arts.
Queen Charlotte is the great great great grandmother of the present Queen Elizabeth II who still lives in the expanded Buckingham House, now Buckingham Palace. Kew gardens still flourishes and is always being expanded, also the Queen Charlotte maternity hospital and many other places still carry her name in honour globally such as Charlotte town, Canada and Fort Charlotte, St Vincent, West Indies
There is good info on her in Ivan van Sertima's book The African Presence in Early Europe.
htp
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quote: Queen Charlotte Sophia Consort of George III and Queen Victoria's grandmother
Queen Charlotte, wife of the English King George III (1738-1820), was directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a black branch of the Portuguese Royal House. The riddle of Queen Charlotte's African ancestry was solved as a result of an earlier investigation into the black magi featured in 15th century Flemish paintings. Two art historians had suggested that the black magiC must have been portraits of actual contemporary people (since the artist, without seeing them, would not have been aware of the subtleties in colouring and facial bone structure of quadroons or octoroons which these figures invariably represented) Enough evidence was accumulated to propose that the models for the black magi were, in all probability, members of the Portuguese de Sousa family.
Six different lines can be traced from English Queen Charlotte back to Margarita de Castro y Sousa, in a gene pool which because of royal inbreeding was already minuscule, thus explaining the Queen's unmistakable African appearance.
The Negroid characteristics of the Queen's portraits certainly had political significance since artists of that period were expected to play down, soften or even obliterate "undesirable" features in a subject's face. Sir Allan Ramsay was the artist responsible for the majority of the paintings of the Queen and his representations of her were the most decidedly African of all her portraits. Ramsey was an anti-slavery intellectual of his day. He also married the niece of Lord Mansfield, the English judge whose 1772 decision was the first in a series of rulings that finally ended slavery in the British Empire. It should be noted too that by the time Sir Ramsay was commissioned to do his first portrait of the Queen, he was already, by marriage, uncle to Dido Elizabeth Lindsay.
Thus, from just a cursory look at the social awareness and political activism at that level of English society, it would be surprising if the Queen's Negroid physiognomy was of no significance to the Abolitionist movement.
Perhaps the most literary of these allusions to her African appearance, however, can be found in the poem penned to her on the occasion of her wedding to George III and the Coronation celebration that immediately followed.
Descended from the warlike Vandal race, she still preserves that title in her face. Tho' shone their triumphs o'er Numidia's plain, And Alusian fields their name retain; they but subdued the southern world with arms, She conquers still with her triumphant charms, O! born for rule, - to whose victorious brow The greatest monarch of the north must bow!
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England's first black queen, mother of the black prince
Philippa was the daughter of William of Hainault, a lord in part of what is now Belgium. When she was nine the King of England, Edward II, decided that he would marry his son, the future Edward III, to her, and sent one of his bishops, a Bishop Stapeldon, to look at her. He described her thus:
"The lady whom we saw has not uncomely hair, betwixt blue-black and brown. Her head is cleaned shaped; her forehead high and broad, and standing somewhat forward. Her face narrows between the eyes, and the lower part of her face is still more narrow and slender than the forehead. Her eyes are blackish brown and deep. Her nose is fairly smooth and even, save that is somewhat broad at the tip and flattened, yet it is no snub nose. Her nostrils are also broad, her mouth fairly wide. Her lips somewhat full and especially the lower lip…all her limbs are well set and unmaimed, and nought is amiss so far as a man may see. Moreover, she is brown of skin all over, and much like her father, and in all things she is pleasant enough, as it seems to us."
Four years later Prince Edward went to visit his bride-to-be and her family, and fell in live with her. She was betrothed to him and in 1327, when she was only 14, she arrived in England. The next year, when she was 15, they married and were crowned King and Queen in 1330 when she was heavily pregnant with her first child and only 17.
This first child was called Edward, like his father, but is better known as the Black Prince. Many say that he was called this because of the colour of his armour, but there are records that show that he was called 'black' when he was very small. The French called him 'Le Noir'.
Philippa was a remarkable woman. She was very wise and was known and loved by the English for her kindliness and restraint. She would travel with her husband on his campaigns and take her children as well. When the King was abroad she ruled in his absence. Queen's College in Oxford University was founded under her direction by her chaplain, Robert de Eglesfield in 1341 when she was 28. She brought many artists and scholars from Hainault who contributed to English culture.
When she died, Edward never really recovered, and she was much mourned by him and the country. King Edward had a beautiful sculpture made for her tomb which you can see today at Westminster Abbey.
I have mentioned Septimus Severus on one of these threads before:
Septimus Severus was born at Leptus Magna in AD 146. He belonged to a class of Romanised Africans and received a good education in his native province.
He first adopted an official career and became a civil magistrate, later he became a military commander, and this took him to Rome. He proved to be an able and popular military leader, and after the murder of Marcus Aurelius' son Commodes, Septimus, supported by the provincial legions, made good his claim to the imperial throne of Rome in AD193. He quickly defeated and killed Rome governor Clodius Albinus in a great battle in Lyon in France, and became emperor of Rome.
He rebuilt and restored Hadrian's Wall and gave Britain a century of peace; throughout his life he never lost his taste for African cooking. When he first entered Britannia, he was welcomed and hailed as the deliverer from the Gauls and Germans who continually pillaged and ravaged the island.
He quickly drove the aliens back across the English Channel, and gave Britannia semi-autonomous home rule status. In 208 AD, he supervised, refurbished, repaired and upgraded the mechanical defence system of Hadrian's Wall. In 211 AD, Septimus Severus died in York, of pneumonia at the age of 64.
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quote: Despite the many portraits of this 16th century Italian Renaissance figure, his African heritage is rarely, if ever, mentioned.[Editor's Note: For more on this omission as it has occurred in the art world, read this January 2005 update.]
Alessandro wielded great power as the first duke of Florence. He was the patron of some of the leading artists of the era and is one of the two Medici princes whose remains are buried in the famous tomb by Michaelangelo. The ethnic make up of this Medici Prince makes him the first black head of state in the modern western world.
Alessandro was born in 1510 to a black serving woman in the Medici household who, after her subsequent marriage to a muleteer, is simply referred to in existing documents as Simonetta da Collavechio. Historians today are convinced that Alessandro was fathered by the seventeen year old Cardinal Giulio de Medici who later became Pope Clement VII. Cardinal Giulio was the nephew of Lorenzo the Magnificent.
On being elected Pope in 1523, Cardinal Giulio was forced to relinquish the lordship of Florence but he appointed a regent for his thirteen year old son Alessandro who had just been created Duke of Penna, and a nephew, Ipollito. Even though both were bastards, they were the last of what has come to be referred to as the elder line of the family.
Republicanism had grown in Florence under the regent and when Emperor Charles V sacked Rome in 1527, the Florentines took advantage of the situation to install a more democratic form of government and both Alessandro and Ipollito fled. When peace was finally made two years later between the Papal and the Imperial factions, Charles V agreed to militarily restore Florence to the Medici. After a siege of eleven months Alessandro was finally brought back as the Emperor's designated head of state.
In 1532, the new Florentine constitution declared Alessandro hereditary Duke and perpetual gonfalonier of the republic. Though his common sense and his feeling for justice won his subjects' affection, those in sympathy with the exiled opposition hated Alessandro and accused him of using his power to sexually exploit the citizenry. However, only two illegitimate children with the possibility of a third, have been attributed to him and even these he fathered with one woman, Taddea Malespina, a distant cousin of his.
With the death of his father, the Pope, in 1534, the exiles attempted to oust the Duke Alessandro from Florence. But the Emperor decided to uphold Alessandro and in an obvious show of support, gave Alessandro his own illegitimate daughter, Margaret of Austria, as wife.
Despite the security this kind of support should have given him, Alessandro was finally assassinated a few months after his wedding by Lorenzaccio de Medici, a distant cousin who had ingratiated himself in order to win his confidence. According to the declaration he later published, Lorenzaccio claimed that he had executed Alessandro for the sake of the republic and that he had been able to disarm him of his personal bodyguards by setting up a sexual liaison for him as a trap. When the anti-Medici faction failed to use this occasion to overthrow the ducal government, Lorenzaccio fled in dismay. He was himself eventually murdered some twelve years later.
Allessandro's Children:
Although the initial reaction to the assassination on the part of the Ducal party had been to set up a regency for Alessandro's four year-old son, Giulio, they instead turned to Cosimo of the cadet branch of the family who as young man of seventeen they felt would be able to bring some equilibrium to the political instability that confronted them.
Since they were his cousins and since Cosimo had to consolidate the authority of the Medici family, Cosimo raised Alessandro's children in his own household and continued as their guardian until adulthood. Despite the awkward presence at his court of a potential pretender to the duchy of Florence, Cosimo apparently regarded his young wards with true affection.
Giulio married Lucrezia Gaetani in 1561 and a year later, Cosimo appointed him First Admiral of the Knights of San Stephano, an order especially founded to fight the Turks.
Giulio's sister, Giulia, was first married to Francesco Cantelmo, the Count of Alvito and the Duke of Popoli. When her husband died unable to give her children a few years later, Cosimo then married Giulia off in 1559 to a first cousin of his, Bernardino de Medici. Apparently Giulia's pride in her Medici ancestry was intense. In the early years of her second marriage, her insistence that she be treated at court as the equal of Cosimo's wife caused a rift between herself and Cosimo. Eventually she and her husband moved to Naples where, at an enormous expense to themselves, they acquired both the title and lands of the principality of Ottaiano. (Click here for more on Giulia and "Giulia's Portrait." Also, read the November 2001 Washington Post article on the race issue controversy over a portrait of Giulia.)
The greater majority of the noble houses of Italy can today trace their ancestry back to Alessandro de Medici. And, as shown in the two lines of descent to the Hapsburgs drawn up below, so can a number of other princely families of Europe:
Giulio de Medici, (Allessandro's son) Knight Commander of the Gallery of St. Stephen m. Lucrezia, Countess Gaetani
Cosimo de Medici (illegitimate) m. Lucrezia (II), Countess Gaetani
Angelica de Medici m. Gianpetro, Count Altemps
Maria Cristina, Countess Altemps m. 1646 Ipollito, Duke Lante della Rovere
Antonio, Duke Lante m. 1682 Angelique, Princesse de La Tremouille
Marie Anne Lante m. Jean Baptiste, Duke of Croy Havre
Louis, Duke of Croy Havre m. 1736 Marie Louise, Princess of Montmorency Luxembourg
Joseph, Duke of Croy Havre m. 1762 Adelaide, Princess of Croy Solre
Adelaide, Duchess of Croy Havre m. 1788 Emanuel, Prince of Croy Solre
Constance, Princess of Croy Solre m. 1810 Ferdinand, Duke of Croy
Augusta, Duchess of Croy m. 1836 Alfred, Prince of Salm Salm
Alfred, Prince of Salm Salm m. 1869 Rosa, Countess Lutzow
Emanuel, Prince of Salm Salm m. 1902 Christina von Hapsburg, Archduchess of Austria
Rosemary, Princess of Salm Salm m. 1926 Hubert Salvator von Hapsburg, Archduke of Austria
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ALESSANDRO'S DESCENT: Joseph, Duke of Croy Havre m. 1762 Adelaide, Princess of Croy Solre
Amalie, Duchess of Croy Havre m. 1790 Charles, Marquis of Conflans
Amalie de Conflans m. 1823 Eugene, Prince of Ligne
Henri, Prince of Ligne m. 1851 Marguerite, Countess of Talleyrand Perigord
Ernest Louis, Prince of Ligne m. 1887 Diane Marchioness of Cosse Brissac
Eugene, Prince of Ligne m. 1917 Phillipine, Princess Noailles
Yolanda, Princess of Ligne m. 1950 Karl von Hapsburg, Archduke of Austria
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ALESSANDRO'S DESCENT:
Giulio de Medici, Knight Commander of the Gallery of St. Stephen m. Lucrezia, Countess Gaetani
Cosimo de Medici (illegitimate) m. Lucrezia, Countess Gaetani
Angelica de Medici m. Gianpetro, Count Altemps
Maria Cristina, Countess Altemps m. 1646 Ipollito, Duke Lante della Rovere
Antonio, Duke Lante m. 1682 Angelique, Princesse de La Tremouille
Luigi, Duke Lante m. Angela, Princess Vaini
Fillipo, Duke Lante m. Faustina, Marchioness Caprianca
Maria Christina Lante m. Averado, Duke Salviati
Anna Maria Salviati m. Marcantonio , Prince Borghese
Camillo, Prince Borghese m. 1803 Pauline Bonaparte, Napoleon's Sister
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ALESSANDRO'S DESCENT:
Marie Anne Lante m. Jean Baptiste, Duke of Croy Havre
Adelaide, Croy Havre m. Emanuel, Prince of Croy Solre
Constance, Princess of Croy Solre m. 1810 Ferdinand of Croy Solre
Juste Marie, Prince of Croy m. 1854 Marie, Countess Ursel
Charles, Prince of Croy m. 1896 Matilda, Countess Robiano
Marie Imaculee m. 1926 Thiery, count of Limburg Stirum
Evrard, Count of Limburg Stirum m. 1957 Helen, Princess of France daughter of the Count of Paris
He, as well as other other Black nobility, is also discussed in African Presence in Early Europe by Dr. van Sertima.
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Ironicly this quote I keep posting over and over but Robert Norris specifically says it was Charles II that got Brittan active in the African holocaust!
Among the adventurers in this trade, the British possess, at present, the greatest share. It was during the government of the commonwealth, that Negroes were carried, in any numbers, to the British West Indies, and then, chiefly to Barbadoes: a few indeed were brought to Virginia, by a Dutch ship, as early as 1620;but it was the Royal African Company, that first carried on, from England, a vigorous commerce to Africa, during the reign of Charles II.
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Queen Elizabeth supported the Moroccan invasion of Songhay but that wasn't specifically about slaves. Anyway When Charles II reigned there was also the development of racial slavery
quote:English suppliers responded to the increasing demand for slaves. In 1672, England officially got into the slave trade as the King of England chartered the Royal African Company, encouraging it to expand the British slave trade.
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Charles II Stuart, The Black Boy, as a child with his future illegitimate daughter by Barbara de Villiers, The Countess of Lichfield. She is whitened, of course.
Here the motive of the Moor as a symbol of blue blood has been wittily used, by utilising a youth image of her father, who would make sure she would have all the benefits her nobility guarantees.
Egmond - what is the name of this painting so that everyone can see that it is Charles II being represented if that is indeed the case. I'm having a little trouble understanding why you are saying the girl is the daughter of the boy?
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: Egmond - what is the name of this painting so that everyone can see that it is Charles II being represented if that is indeed the case.
Egmond is delusional. He grabbed that out of thin air. I tracked down the website where he hyperlinked the portrait in his post. Go here and you will find the caption for the portrait and it says NOTHING about Charles II
quote: I'm having a little trouble understanding why you are saying the girl is the daughter of the boy?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! This should be proof that most of the Afronuts on the board like Egmond are just that NUTS. These guys are batty as hell and will see faces in clouds and swear by it (LOL)!
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^ But we need people like Afronuts that challenge our conventional understanding and bring to light historical events that are often covered up. Yes, Afronuts go too far but it is better than them not going far enough!
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Nevermind I found the picture but don't see anything saying this was Charles II. What is there anywhere that says that this little black or eastIndian looking kid serving the girl grapes is Charles II?
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He just happened to choose the monarch that was responsible for the development of racial slavery...
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Queen Mary of Scots (1542-1587),by Clouet, The great-grandmother of Charles II Stuart, The Black Boy. famous for her beauty. Her grandmother was a sister of Henry VIII Tudor, who was the father of Queen Elizabeth I, who had her niece beheaded. After Elizabeth's demise Mary's only child, James I Stuart became king. He united Scotland and England which then became Great Britain.
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King Charles II Stuart, alias The Black Boy
OMG - now I am really in going to be nuts if these individuals were really portayed like they would have been sitting on the back of some southern U.S. bus 40 years ago. Too weird. Will have to see for myself in person and they'd better not be!
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In a way I agree. Providing they always remain a fringe group.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ But we need people like Afronuts that challenge our conventional understanding and bring to light historical events that are often covered up. Yes, Afronuts go too far but it is better than them not going far enough!
England's first black queen, mother of the black prince
Philippa was the daughter of William of Hainault,... Her nose is fairly smooth and even, save that is somewhat broad at the tip and flattened, yet it is no snub nose. Her nostrils are also broad, her mouth fairly wide. Her lips somewhat full and especially the lower lip…all her limbs are well set and unmaimed, and nought is amiss so far as a man may see. Moreover, she is brown of skin all over, and much like her father, and in all things she is pleasant enough, as it seems to us."
This first child was called Edward, like his father, but is better known as the Black Prince. Many say that he was called this because of the colour of his armour, but there are records that show that he was called 'black' when he was very small. The French called him 'Le Noir'.
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I have mentioned Septimus Severus on one of these threads before:
Septimus Severus was born at Leptus Magna in AD 146. He belonged to a class of Romanised Africans and received a good education in his native province.
He first adopted an official career and became a civil magistrate, later he became a military commander, and this took him to Rome. He proved to be an able and popular military leader, and after the murder of Marcus Aurelius' son Commodes, Septimus, supported by the provincial legions, made good his claim to the imperial throne of Rome in AD193. He quickly defeated and killed Rome governor Clodius Albinus in a great battle in Lyon in France, and became emperor of Rome...
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It is probable that some European royalty had black blood, but what in Severus history says that he was of indigenous African descent. He sure doesn't look any more African than all the other Romans. There were other European people in ancient North Africa besides the Romans as well especially in the area of Cyrene.
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Anne of Denmark, the grandmother of the Black Boy.
Though her hair is usually portrayed a bit more kinky than is normal among Europeans, if this is Ann of Denmark than why did other painters like John Critz portray her white and say she had "extremely fair skin". At least that's what Wikipedia says. But then again it is Wikipedia. Something doesn't make sense. Someone who knows Danish needs to see the original translation of the Danish I guess, 'cause something is wrong.
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This is the typical pseudo scholarship game Afrocentrists like to play. Septimius was a N. African, born in Libya. Is Momar kadhaffi African BLACK? I highly doubt it.
Here is a bust of Septimius:
Does he look African Black to you?
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: It is probable that some European royalty had black blood, but what in Severus history says that he was of indigenous African descent. He sure doesn't look any more African than all the other Romans. There were other European people in ancient North Africa besides the Romans as well especially in the area of Cyrene. [/QB]