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If King Tut was R1b then I would speculate that it was due to Hittites.

From the Amarna letters we have Ankhesenamon who apparently wrote a letter to Suppilulumia informing him that she had no sons of her own and asked him to send to her one of his sons whom she would marry and make Pharaoh. Now why would an Egyptian want to have a Hittite as a Pharaoh? Perhaps there's more to this than we had previously known.

Lets keep in mind that this is a period by which alliances were formed by such marriages. So if King Tut did have R1b the question would be was it due to an ancient alliance between Asiatics and Africans?

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Though African haplogroup R chromosomes are generally quite rare, R-P25* (R1b1*) chromosomes are found at remarkably high frequencies in northern Cameroon (60.7–94.7%),[26] especially among the Ouldeme of Northern Cameroon in west central Africa, aging at least 4,100 years.[27] R1*-M173 are also observed in the Bantu of southern Cameroon (14.3%), Oman (10.7%), Egypt (6.8%), and the Hutu (1.4%). Whereas the R1*-M173 undifferentiated lineage is present in all four populations, the two downstream mutations, M17 (R1a1) and M269 (R1b1b2, formerly R1b1c or R1b3), are confined to Egypt and Oman. It is plausible that the African and Omani R1*-M173 chromosomes may be relics of an ancient back migration from Asia to Africa, which may have been a southern branch of an Upper Paleolithic westward expansion of this clade. The antiquity of the M173 backflow is implied by the total lack in sub-Saharan Africa of downstream mutations R1a1-M17 and R1b1b2-M269, associated with the post–Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) reinhabitation of Eurasia.[28]

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If King Tut was R1b then I would speculate that it was due to Hittites.

From the Amarna letters we have Ankhesenamon who apparently wrote a letter to Suppilulumia informing him that she had no sons of her own and asked him to send to her one of his sons whom she would marry and make Pharaoh. Now why would an Egyptian want to have a Hittite as a Pharaoh? Perhaps there's more to this than we had previously known.

Lets keep in mind that this is a period by which alliances were formed by such marriages. So if King Tut did have R1b the question would be was it due to an ancient alliance between Asiatics and Africans?

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You go off the deep end like a chicken with its head cut off based upon absolutely nothing. This is an unfounded internet rumor yet you're so willing to draw absurd conclusions.

Its already been documented that 6-7% of Egyptians have underived R1b in a form found only in Africa and Oman. Yet you're all over the place with this from dynastic race now to Hittite founders of the 18th Pharoahs.

Have you completely forgetten that the 18th dynasty traces it origins to Sequenenre Tao who chased Asiatics out of Egypt. Further more the Egytians have no memory of Europe and its not mentioned anywhere in their mythology. To the contrary the 18th dynasty went further than any previous in explicitly stating that the origin of their Kingship is to be found much further south in Africa.

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Though African haplogroup R chromosomes are generally quite rare, R-P25* (R1b1*) chromosomes are found at remarkably high frequencies in northern Cameroon (60.7–94.7%),[26] especially among the Ouldeme of Northern Cameroon in west central Africa, aging at least 4,100 years.[27] R1*-M173 are also observed in the Bantu of southern Cameroon (14.3%), Oman (10.7%), Egypt (6.8%), and the Hutu (1.4%). Whereas the R1*-M173 undifferentiated lineage is present in all four populations, the two downstream mutations, M17 (R1a1) and M269 (R1b1b2, formerly R1b1c or R1b3), are confined to Egypt and Oman. It is plausible that the African and Omani R1*-M173 chromosomes may be relics of an ancient back migration from Asia to Africa, which may have been a southern branch of an Upper Paleolithic westward expansion of this clade. The antiquity of the M173 backflow is implied by the total lack in sub-Saharan Africa of downstream mutations R1a1-M17 and R1b1b2-M269, associated with the post–Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) reinhabitation of Eurasia.[28]

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Before going over the deep edge, it might be a good idea to define who or what is a Hittite.

Hint; there were no such people as Hittites. Modern White historians took certain liberties from the king James Bible.

In which case, who were the people misidentified as Hittites, and what was their relationship to Egyptians.

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Before going over the deep edge, it might be a good idea to define who or what is a Hittite.

Hint; there were no such people as Hittites. Modern White historians took certain liberties from the king James Bible.

In which case, who were the people misidentified as Hittites, and what was their relationship to Egyptians.

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Some of the 'hypothesis' presented on this site, should not be taken as more than a source of pure entertainment, am I the only that laughs at half the *bleep* I read here before trying to respond with a straight face.

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BTW - Think anyone will come back with who it was that was misidentified as the Hittites?

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Hmm, I dunno, lets get some popcorn and wait and see.

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To them the Egyptians are Indian, Tri Lankan, Europeans, Mixed, Mediteranian, Red Headed, Aryan...anything but African.

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Before going over the deep edge, it might be a good idea to define who or what is a Hittite.

Hint; there were no such people as Hittites. Modern White historians took certain liberties from the king James Bible.

In which case, who were the people misidentified as Hittites, and what was their relationship to Egyptians.

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The only evidence of a Hittite alliance in the 18th Dynasty,was after the death of King Tut,when Ankhesenamen pleaded to the Hittite King Suppiliuma to be prince of Egypt,and he was killed by Horemheb sometime later, before even taking the throne, but before that incident,Egyptians were at war with Asiatics (Hittites,Hyksos,Assyrians etc)if King Tut had any Asian blood in him (which I doubt)it would have been through an Asiatic women who was one of Pharaoh's concubine, but since there is no real evidence of King Tut being R1b,then I stick to the fact that King Tut was of African descent and came from an African mother and African Father with no Hittite admixture what so ever,let's stick to the facts of hitory first before making assumptions.

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Before going over the deep edge, it might be a good idea to define who or what is a Hittite.

Hint; there were no such people as Hittites. Modern White historians took certain liberties from the king James Bible.

In which case, who were the people misidentified as Hittites, and what was their relationship to Egyptians.

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For that matter there aren't any Egyptians or Nubians - all names given to these people by Europeans. So stop playing stupid games.

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My interest are not that trivial;

Whether known as Egypt or Kemet, there is still a real civilization involved.

Whether known as Nubia or Meroe, there is still a real civilization involved.

However there never was a Hittite Empire;
In the researchers words; They speculate that the so-called Hittite empire, is really a confusion with that of the Hattians, Phrygians, Chaldeans, Babylonians, or some other ancient Empire. And that this is why, neither ancient Greek, or any other ancient historians, ever mentioned it.


That speaks to the veracity of White historians.

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Why would they do it?



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Kind of the same thing that you are trying to do, isn't it osirion?

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REAL ANATOLIAN'S!!

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The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional Corridors of Human Migrations
J. R. Luis,1,2,* D. J. Rowold,1,* M. Regueiro,2 B. Caeiro,2 C. Cinnioğlu,3 C. Roseman,3 P. A. Underhill,3 L. L. Cavalli-Sforza,3 and R. J. Herrera1

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Paleoanthropological evidence indicates that both the Levantine corridor and the Horn of Africa served, repeatedly, as migratory corridors between Africa and Eurasia. We have begun investigating the roles of these passageways in bidirectional migrations of anatomically modern humans, by analyzing 45 informative biallelic markers as well as 10 microsatellite loci on the nonrecombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) in 121 and 147 extant males from Oman and northern Egypt, respectively. The present study uncovers three important points concerning these demic movements: (1) The E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 lineages, as well as the R1*-M173 lineages, mark gene flow between Egypt and the Levant during the Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic. (2) In contrast, the Horn of Africa appears to be of minor importance in the human migratory movements between Africa and Eurasia represented by these chromosomes, an observation based on the frequency distributions of E3b*-M35 (no known downstream mutations) and M173. (3) The areal diffusion patterns of G-M201, J-12f2, the derivative M173 haplogroups, and M2 suggest more recent genetic associations between the Middle East and Africa, involving the Levantine corridor and/or Arab slave routes. Affinities to African groups were also evaluated by determining the NRY haplogroup composition in 434 samples from seven sub-Saharan African populations. Oman and Egypt’s NRY frequency distributions appear to be much more similar to those of the Middle East than to any sub-Saharan African population, suggesting a much larger Eurasian genetic component. Finally, the overall phylogeographic profile reveals several clinal patterns and genetic partitions that may indicate source, direction, and relative timing of different waves of dispersals and expansions involving these nine populations.

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European Journal of Human Genetics (2005) 13, 856–866. doi:10.1038/sj.ejhg.5201390 Published online 9 March 2005
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High frequencies of Y chromosome lineages characterized by E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12 in Somali males
Juan J Sanchez1, Charlotte Hallenberg1, Claus Børsting1, Alexis Hernandez2 and Niels Morling1

1Department of Forensic Genetics, Institute of Forensic Medicine, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
2Departamento de Canarias, Instituto Nacional de Toxicología, La Laguna, Tenerife, Spain
Correspondence: Dr JJ Sanchez, Department of Forensic Genetics, Institute of Forensic Medicine, University of Copenhagen, 11 Frederik V's Vej, DK-2100 Copenhagen, Denmark. Tel: +45 35 32 62 87; Fax: +45 35 32 61 20; E-mail: juan.sanchez@forensic.ku.dk

Received 2 September 2004; Revised 12 January 2005; Accepted 21 January 2005; Published online 9 March 2005.

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We genotyped 45 biallelic markers and 11 STR systems on the Y chromosome in 201 male Somalis. In addition, 65 sub-Saharan Western Africans, 59 Turks and 64 Iraqis were typed for the biallelic Y chromosome markers. In Somalis, 14 Y chromosome haplogroups were identified including E3b1 (77.6%) and K2 (10.4%). The haplogroup E3b1 with the rare DYS19-11 allele (also called the E3b1 cluster ) was found in 75.1% of male Somalis, and 70.6% of Somali Y chromosomes were E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12, DYS437-14, DYS438-11 and DYS393-13. The haplotype diversity of eight Y-STRs ('minimal haplotype') was 0.9575 compared to an average of 0.9974 and 0.9996 in European and Asian populations. In sub-Saharan Western Africans, only four haplogroups were identified. The West African clade E3a was found in 89.2% of the samples and the haplogroup E3b1 was not observed. In Turks, 12 haplogroups were found including J2*(xJ2f2) (27.1%), R1b3*(xR1b3d, R1b3f) (20.3%), E3b3 and R1a1*(xR1a1b) (both 11.9%). In Iraqis, 12 haplogroups were identified including J2*(xJ2f2) (29.7%) and J*(xJ2) (26.6%). The data suggest that the male Somali population is a branch of the East African population – closely related to the Oromos in Ethiopia and North Kenya – with predominant E3b1 cluster lineages that were introduced into the Somali population 4000–5000 years ago, and that the Somali male population has approximately 15% Y chromosomes from Eurasia and approximately 5% from sub-Saharan Africa.


samples came from a larger, homogenous population of Somalis.

The haplogroup K2 was found in 10.4% of Somali males. Haplogroup K2 was suggested to have arisen in Eurasia.4, 9 K2 has a patchy distribution in Cameroon (18.0%), Egypt (8.2%), Ethiopia (4.8%), Tanzania (3.8%) and Morocco (3.6%), probably due to back migration.3, 7, 8, 9 Luis et al9 estimated an expansion time of 13.7–17.5 ky for the K2 lineages in Egypt. The BATWING expansion time estimated for K2 in our Somali population (3.3 ky) is consistent with an African southward dissemination of the K2 haplogroup. The observation of two Somali males with the M17 mutation (haplogroup R1a1*(xR1a1b)) may indicate a recent gene flow by migration from Eurasia.47, 48 A possible explanation is offered by the fact that from the 7th century onward, immigrant Muslim Arabs and Persians established trading posts along the Somali cost51, although also British, French and Italian people were present in Somalia in the region in the 19th and 20th century.

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Bunch of religious Afro-Nuts reacting to what they see as heresy.

As I said, if Tut was R1b then the Amarna letters have more credence than what they have been given. You guys have not even dealt with that at all but instead just played the Negro.

Yo Mama that and you mamma this. Childish.

As for Tut's facial features, there are many people of Sri Lanka - not Tri Lanka; Negro, that have those features.

In fact, people of Sri Lanka in many ways look not much different than the Sudanese people.

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Err. Sri Lankans look like Eastern Arabians. Go to the Eastern Provinces, the Gulf, and that's rather obvious. These populations nicely resemble their neighbors too, other South Asians.

No one, I mean, no one would mix up Sudanese populations with those peoples. I could understand right across the Red Sea in the Arabian Peninsula. That makes sense, and is actually the case.

You even see these Sudanese types amongst ELITE Saudi post-graduate students, within less-than-marginal-cities. There are some Sudanese who look "Arab" or "Indian-ish", and I'm at times considered that. The irony is that we're whitening up populations that'd be called niggers in most settings.

Saying that, these populations are represented within African diversity as well, and are more likely, in my opinion (i.e. observation), to appear amongst the Taureg populations. Due to limited population studies, especially of South/ West Asiatic populations, vs those designed to push the Black Caucasoids of Sweden. Besides that, do you have evidence suggesting that these collected traits cannot develop in Africa?

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In the ancient literature the Proto Dravidians are called Kushites. Using boats the Kushites moved down ancient waterways many now dried up, to establish new towns in Asia and Europe after 3500 BC. The Kushites remained supreme around the world until 1400 1200 BC. During this period the Hua (Chinese) and Indo European (I E) speakers began to conquer the Kushites whose cities and economies were destroyed as a result of natural catastrophes which took place on the planet between 1400 1200 BC. Later, after 500 AD, Turkish speaking people began to settle parts of Central Asia. This is the reason behind the presence of the K s h element in many place names in Asia e.g., Kashgar, HinduKush, and Kosh. The HinduKush in Harappan times had lapis lazuli deposits.

Proto Saharans/Kushites expanded into Inner Asia from two primary points of dispersal : Iran and Anatolia. In Anatolia the Kushites were called Hattians and Kaska. In the 2nd millennium BC, the north and east of Anatolia was inhabited by non I E speakers.

Anatolia was divided into two lands “the land of Kanis” and the “land of Hatti”. The Hatti were related to the Kaska people who lived in the Pontic mountains.

Hattians lived in Anatolia. They worshipped Kasku and Kusuh. They were especially prominent in the Pontic mountains. Their sister nation in the Halys Basin were the Kaska tribes. The Kaska and Hattians share the same names for gods, along with personal and place names (1). The Kaska had a strong empire which was never defeated by the Hittites.

Singer (1981) has suggested that the Kaska, are remnants of the indigenous Hattian population which was forced northward by the Hittites. But at least as late as 1800 BC, Anatolia was basically settled by Hattians (2)

Anatolia was occupied by many Kushite groups,including the Kashkas and or Hatti. The Hatti , like the Dravidian speaking people were probably related . The Hatti were probably members of the Tehenu tribes.

The Tehenu was composed of various ethnic groups. One of the Tehenu tribes was identified by the Egyptians as the Hatiu or Haltiu.

During the Fifth Dynasty of Egypt (2563-2423), namely during the reign of Sahure there is mention of the Tehenu people. Sahure referred to the Tehenu leader “Hati Tehenu” .(3) These Hatiu, may correspond to the Hatti speaking people of Anatolia. The Hatti people often referred to themselves as Kashkas or Kaskas.

The Hatti controlled the city state of Kussara. Kussara was situated in southern Anatolia.

The earliest known ruler of Kussara was Pitkhanas. It was his son Anitta (c. 1790-1750 BC) who expanded the Kussara empire through much of Anatolia.

Many researchers get the Hittites (Nesa) mixed up with the original settlers of Anatolia called Hatti according to Steiner “.[T]his discrepancy is either totally neglected and more or less skillfully veiled, or it is explained by the assumption that the Hittites when conquering the country of Hatti adjusted themselves to the Hattians adopting their personal names and worshipping their gods, out of reverence for a higher culture” .(4)

Neshili, was probably spoken by the Hatti, not the IE Hittite. Yet, this language is classified as an IE langauge. Researchers maintain that the Hatti spoke 'Hattili' or Khattili “language of the Hatti”, and the IE Hittites spoke "Neshumnili"/ Neshili .(5) Researchers maintain that only 10% of the terms in Neshumnili is IE. This supports the view that Nesumnili may have been a lingua franca.

It is clear that the Anatolians spoke many languages including:Palaic, Hatti, Luwian and Hurrian, but the people as you know mainly wrote their writings in Neshumnili. The first people to use this system as the language of the royal chancery were Hatti Itamar Singer makes it clear that the Hittites adopted the language of the Hatti .(6) Steiner wrote that, " In the complex linguistic situation of Central Anatolia, in the 2nd Millennium B.C. with at least three, but probably more different languages being spoken within the same area there must have been the need for a language of communication or lingua franca [i.e., Neshumnili), whenever commercial transactions or political enterprises were undertaken on a larger scale" .(7)

• The Hatti language which provided the Hittites with many of the terms Indo-Aryan nationalists use to claim and Aryan origin for the Indus civilization is closely related to African languages including Egyptians. For example:
  Big, mighty, powerful protect, help upper
  Hattic ur $uh tufa
  Egyptian wr swh tp
  Malinke fara solo dya, tu ‘raising’
  Head stretch (out) prosper to pour
  Hattic tu put falfalat duq
  
  Egyptian tup pd
  Malinke tu ‘strike head’ pe, bemba fin’ya du
  Eye hand Place King, term of respect
  
  The Malinke-Bambara and Hatti language share other cognates and grammatical features. For example,in both languages the pronoun can be prefixed to nouns, e.g., Hatti le ‘his’, le fil ‘his house’; Malinke-Bambara a ‘his’, a falu ‘his father’s house’. Other Hatti and Malinke- Bambara cognates include:
  Hattic b’la ka -ka Kaati
  Malinke n’ye teke -ka ka, kuntigi ‘headman’
  
  Good hypothesis generation suggest that given the fact that the Malinke-Bambara and Hatti languages share cognate terms, Sumerian terms may also relate to Hatti terms since they were also Kushites. Below we compare a few Hatti, Sumerian and Malinke Bambara terms:
  
  Mother father lord,ruler build, to set up
  Hattic na-a ša tex
  Malinke na baba sa te
  Sumerian na ‘she’ aba tu ‘to create’
  To pour child,son up, to raise strength,powerful land
  Hatti dug pin,pinu tufa ur -ka
  Malinke du den dya, tu fara -ka
  Sumerian dub peš dul usu ki

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The term has an Abhramic origin. We, surely as hell, do not know much about this population. It is said that the peoples spoke an Indo-European, but we don't know how they look like.

I would assume their "European", just to give Eurocentrist a bare bone. However, Indo-European languages are widely spoken amongst Black peoples within South Asia. It would be great if remains of the Hittites can be found, and see cranial, skeletal and melanin characteristics studied. I wish someone on this forum could develop strength in either of the two areas, and be employed in such anti-Eurocentric operations.

It's also worth mentioning that most, especially Osirion, doesn't seem to realize that much traits we see in living populations are due to soft tissues. Those collected traits we see may as well be due to heightened sexual section. We just really don't know, and the Anatolians may have looked like Black "Indo-Arabians" (for the lack of a better term), but their cranio-facial indices ( being measured here, with one's naked eye) would most likely resemble East African populations.

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• Dravidian Hurrian
  a a
  -kku -ikka
  imbu impu
  
  There are analogous Dravidian and Hurrian terms:
  
  English Hurrian Dravidian
  mountain paba parampu
  lady,woman aallay ali
  King Sarr,zarr Ca, cira
  god en en
  give tan tara
  to rule irn ire
  father attai attan
  wife,woman asti atti

• Hurrian Sanskrit
  Mi-it-va Mitra
  Aru-na Varuna
  In-da-ra Indra
  Na-sa-at-tiya Nasatya
  
  There are other Hurrian and Sanskrit terms that appear to show a relationship:
  
  English Hurrian Sanskrit Tamil
  One aika eka okka ‘together’
  Three tera tri
  Five panza panca añcu
  Seven satta sapta
  Nine na nava onpatu
  
  Other Hurrian terms relate to Indo-Aryan:
  
  English Hurrian I-A Tamil
  Brown babru babhru pukar
  Grey parita palita paraitu ‘old’
  Reddish pinkara pingala puuval
  
  English Mitanni
  
  Vedic Tamil
  Warrior marya marya makan, maravan

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• Anthropological analysis of the osteological material from an ancient tomb (Early Bronze Age) from the middle Euphrates valley, Terqa (Syria)
  International Journal of Osteoarchaeology
  Early View
  J. Tomczyk, K. J drychowska-Da ska, T. P oszaj, H. W. Witas

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Evidently very little thought was given to this "proposal"
before it was posted. But then, considering the source, ... .

1. No UEP from Tut means no known haplogroup period.

2. Tut's common 16 STR haplotype is unpublished. Only
unsubstantiated guesswork is currently available.

3. The son of the Hittite king was assasinated en route to
Egypt. There was no infusion of Hittite maless into Ae's
royalty. It was AE royal males who concubined Hittites.

4. Even had the marriage been consumated there's no
way Tut's widow could effect the dead man's Y chromosome.

5. R1b1a is older than R1b1b (the non-African variety).
Without jumping through hoops, R1b in AE would be the
homegrown African variety rather than some imported
EurAsian variety.

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If King Tut was R1b then I would speculate that it was due to Hittites.

From the Amarna letters we have Ankhesenamon who apparently wrote a letter to Suppilulumia informing him that she had no sons of her own and asked him to send to her one of his sons whom she would marry and make Pharaoh. Now why would an Egyptian want to have a Hittite as a Pharaoh? Perhaps there's more to this than we had previously known.

Lets keep in mind that this is a period by which alliances were formed by such marriages. So if King Tut did have R1b the question would be was it due to an ancient alliance between Asiatics and Africans?

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Impressive research!

OT: Is this the same Clyde Winters that conducted the research on the Nubian artifacts at the Oriental Institute? I remember I would use your findings to debate with people several years ago!


How to stop the "whitewash of Ancient Egypt" archives:
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/000614-2.html

I'm impressed that you are a member of this site, this is what we need here, more academia, seriously!

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Evidently very little thought was given to this "proposal"
before it was posted. But then, considering the source, ... .

1. No UEP from Tut means no known haplogroup period.

2. Tut's common 16 STR haplotype is unpublished. Only
unsubstantiated guesswork is currently available.

3. The son of the Hittite king was assasinated en route to
Egypt. There was no infusion of Hittite maless into Ae's
royalty. It was AE royal males who concubined Hittites.

4. Even had the marriage been consumated there's no
way Tut's widow could effect the dead man's Y chromosome.

5. R1b1a is older than R1b1b (the non-African variety).
Without jumping through hoops, R1b in AE would be the
homegrown African variety rather than some imported
EurAsian variety.

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If King Tut was R1b then I would speculate that it was due to Hittites.

From the Amarna letters we have Ankhesenamon who apparently wrote a letter to Suppilulumia informing him that she had no sons of her own and asked him to send to her one of his sons whom she would marry and make Pharaoh. Now why would an Egyptian want to have a Hittite as a Pharaoh? Perhaps there's more to this than we had previously known.

Lets keep in mind that this is a period by which alliances were formed by such marriages. So if King Tut did have R1b the question would be was it due to an ancient alliance between Asiatics and Africans?

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Thanks for your support. You can find out more about these Black nations of Asia in my book:

You can order it here.

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YW, Glad to show my support, though I have no interest in Black nations outside of Africa.

However, I will definitely order a few of these as it correlates with my current line of work. I will also request that the title be added to our 'reference guides' for the entire school district.

I have the fortune of being on the Social Studies curriculum team.

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Originally posted by homeylu:
I will also request that the title be added to our 'reference guides' for the entire school district.

I have the fortune of being on the Social Studies curriculum team.

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Afro-idiot - I thought you said that you were Black. Therefore you should be happy to see accurate history taught in schools, instead of the lies and distortions taught by White people. I mean the data is already there and conclusive; Whites have been lying, why do you have a problem with it?

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You are right. It is all over. Tuts father was an Irish man.

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Jari, Jesus Christ could come down here in person and try to educate you on AE and you would still spin. You guys are dine...finished. Not that you ever had a position to start with.
Willie Nelson wrote a song 'Turn out the lights, the party is over.'

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Clyde - I can't buy the scenario that all Anatolian's were Kushite - later in the south, perhaps.

The problem is that your scenario completely discounts the Grimaldi faction.

The original Black southern European and Mediterranean civilizations do not show great affinity with Egypt or Mesopotamia. (Even though the building of Mycenae was supposedly a joint Cretan/Egyptian enterprise). Neither do the original Eastern European civilizations.

And how do you explain Anatolia having the trappings of a beginning civilization BEFORE Egypt or Sumer?

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Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Is there no god damn oversight at your school district?!?!?! This is why Black students are behind their non-black counterparts. What school district do you teach in sir? I would like to write the superintendent.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
You are right. It is all over. Tuts father was an Irish man.

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Jari, Jesus Christ could come down here in person and try to educate you on AE and you would still spin. You guys are dine...finished. Not that you ever had a position to start with.
Willie Nelson wrote a song 'Turn out the lights, the party is over.'

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But I would review the contents myself, as we

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