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"African" is the new race term for Afrocentrists. You guys are unbelievable. You are like a virus that jumps from host to host; in your case the host are the terms you use to steal racial legacy and history.
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quote:Originally posted by .Charlie Bass.: I'm not saying you didn't raise any valid points but it is most certainly not true that "Afrocentrists" believe Africans look only one way, in fact on my board and in my own posts I have argued against that. I have always argued that Africans are Africans and there are many different variants of Africans and that none of them have a more privileged position phenotypically over the other.
If can just PM me his email.
It sounds like you are confusing me with Jaime. I never argued that Afrocentrists think Africans have only one look.
The email should be in your PM box now.
quote:Originally posted by Gigantic: "African" is the new race term for Afrocentrists. You guys are unbelievable. You are like a virus that jumps from host to host; in your case the host are the terms you use to steal racial legacy and history.
African is not a racial term. Africans simply have a wide degree of variability as scholars like Keita have proven. You have a problem with this because it threatens your racist perceptions of Africans.
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quote:Originally posted by viola75: What is a caucasian???
Are masai caucasians??
are dravidians caucasians??
if they are, what does that tell us about them?
Apparently to the Horseass, a caucasian is any group of people who have created advanced culture which is something Europeans have done for the past century. This is why if you look at old Western writings, they claim everyone from the builders of Great Zimbabwe in Southern Africa to Harappan culture in India, to Polynesian towns were created by "caucasians". They are not satisfied with their own European culture so they have to claim every advanced culture outside of Europe as "caucasian", perhaps due to low self esteem (?)
We know black Africans like the Egyptians have done this, which is why she expands "caucasian" to include people who look like this.
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: why dont you get a video debate with David Duke and some other guy you like. That would be more interesting to see... if Duke gets destroyed or the other one (or none if both manage to stand their ground well). [/QB]
I think that the Rushton-Graves debate will be more interesting. Bare in mind that Duke is not a scientist. He is only repeating arguments that scientists he supports are making. Rushton is the real brain behind racialism.
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: why dont you get a video debate with David Duke and some other guy you like. That would be more interesting to see... if Duke gets destroyed or the other one (or none if both manage to stand their ground well).
I think that the Rushton-Graves debate will be more interesting. Bare in mind that Duke is not a scientist. He is only repeating arguments that scientists he supports are making. Rushton is the real brain behind racialism. [/QB]
What David Duke proposes is that Humans have certain bilogical differences between races(Which can be explained by climate adaption), Im not sure if he believes these races are sub-species or adaptions....I.E does he believe in Multi-reg.(Sub species) or OOA(Adaptions)....Im sure he upholds the former.
One thing about Duke is at least he tells the Truth about the Zionist powers, and he sticks up for his people, which I have no problems with. Other than his past I don't have a problem with David Duke, Black people have Khalid Muhammed.. All I wonder is his belief on Adaptions v.s Sub species..which is a highly debated topic in biology as it is.
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quote:Originally posted by viola75: What is a caucasian???
obviously there are a few groups of different people on the planet. I dont care how you call them. white-black-asian-... what do you suggest we use?
Tropical, Cold and Arid Adapted..Try Racializing the Egyptians now..
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: What David Duke proposes is that Humans have certain bilogical differences between races(Which can be explained by climate adaption), Im not sure if he believes these races are sub-species or adaptions....I.E does he believe in Multi-reg.(Sub species) or OOA(Adaptions)....Im sure he upholds the former.
One thing about Duke is at least he tells the Truth about the Zionist powers, and he sticks up for his people, which I have no problems with. Other than his past I don't have a problem with David Duke, Black people have Khalid Muhammed.. All I wonder is his belief on Adaptions v.s Sub species..which is a highly debated topic in biology as it is.
Dukes's primary source for his racialist views as you can see in the video is J Philippe Rushton.
Rushton prescribes to the Out of Africa model of human migration. He believes that humans evolved into different races (Sub-Species) as they migrated and adapted to different climates and that they developed different reproductive strategies to deal with the demands of unique environments.
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: why dont you get a video debate with David Duke and some other guy you like. That would be more interesting to see... if Duke gets destroyed or the other one (or none if both manage to stand their ground well).
I think that the Rushton-Graves debate will be more interesting. Bare in mind that Duke is not a scientist. He is only repeating arguments that scientists he supports are making. Rushton is the real brain behind racialism.
What David Duke proposes is that Humans have certain bilogical differences between races(Which can be explained by climate adaption), Im not sure if he believes these races are sub-species or adaptions....I.E does he believe in Multi-reg.(Sub species) or OOA(Adaptions)....Im sure he upholds the former.
One thing about Duke is at least he tells the Truth about the Zionist powers, and he sticks up for his people, which I have no problems with. Other than his past I don't have a problem with David Duke, Black people have Khalid Muhammed.. All I wonder is his belief on Adaptions v.s Sub species..which is a highly debated topic in biology as it is. [/QB]
If David Duke had enough power he would separate America into racially separated areas and if you didn't like the plan you would be deported or killed.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: What David Duke proposes is that Humans have certain bilogical differences between races(Which can be explained by climate adaption), Im not sure if he believes these races are sub-species or adaptions....I.E does he believe in Multi-reg.(Sub species) or OOA(Adaptions)....Im sure he upholds the former.
One thing about Duke is at least he tells the Truth about the Zionist powers, and he sticks up for his people, which I have no problems with. Other than his past I don't have a problem with David Duke, Black people have Khalid Muhammed.. All I wonder is his belief on Adaptions v.s Sub species..which is a highly debated topic in biology as it is.
Dukes's primary source for his racialist views as you can see in the video is J Philippe Rushton.
Rushton prescribes to the Out of Africa model of human migration. He believes that humans evolved into different races (Sub-Species) as they migrated and adapted to different climates and that they developed different reproductive strategies to deal with the demands of unique environments.
Oh, I get it a best of both world scenario. Well from what I can tell a simple understanding of time makes humans becoming Sub-Species via adaption impossible..
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quote:Originally posted by .Charlie Bass.: No, you were certainly far from objective in your questions Jaime. I took the task of emailing Keita to clarify seome things but I haven't gotten a reply, maybe I was given the wrong email address perhaps.
I can give you the email address I used to contact him. He stopped replying to me after a few exchanges though. I'm surprised that he took the time to do a lengthy phone interview with Salsassin.
I'm not saying you didn't raise any valid points but it is most certainly not true that "Afrocentrists" believe Africans look only one way, in fact on my board and in my own posts I have argued against that. I have always argued that Africans are Africans and there are many different variants of Africans and that none of them have a more privileged position phenotypically over the other.
quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: David Duke has a nice video about this topic - yes I know everybody hates him - but what he says makes more sense than globalist funded science that wants to turn every human into the same grey consumer mass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU4cvmk44MQ
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: and Southern Europeans:
quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: David Duke has a nice video about this topic - yes I know everybody hates him - but what he says makes more sense than globalist funded science that wants to turn every human into the same grey consumer mass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU4cvmk44MQ
TheHorsenation is a troll created by a mod or some poster to keep discussions here alive.
Good work so I guess according to Lioness style Archeology Greece was a Mullatto civilzation..
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That was a decent interview, notwithstanding the suspiciously edited segments and leading questions. How in the world did Jamie land that interview anyhow? How did Keita not realize that this was a hidden agenda under the guise of a scientific interview? Why else would a 3 hour interview be stripped down into 30 minutes of Jamie's gripes about Ethnocentrists, and Keita's subsequent responses to them?
Not worth commenting on besides that, I'm just truly surprised that he wasted a potentially good interview. Jamie took advantage of Keita's ignorance. Salassin misrepresents the Afrocentric movement on the internet by focusing on dated true negro concepts and isolationist views, when arguments used by this community have grown so sophisticated and evolved so much, that he basically has Keita responding to ghosts. Note: Keita asks why Afrocentrists haven't used the data showing ancestral linkages between Greeks and Africans, assuming they are ignorant of such data (explicitly stating so). That argument, it turns out has been beaten to death by said "afrocentrists" yet Keita obviously had no idea. This was simply 30 minutes of carefully edited straw grasping. He took advantage of an out of touch, hard-nosed scientist; that's all that went on here.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: That was a decent interview, notwithstanding the suspiciously edited segments and leading questions. How in the world did Jamie land that interview anyhow? How did Keita not realize that this was a hidden agenda under the guise of a scientific interview? Why else would a 3 hour interview be stripped down into 30 minutes of Jamie's gripes about Ethnocentrists, and Keita's subsequent responses to them?
Not worth commenting on besides that, I'm just truly surprised that he wasted a potentially good interview. Jamie took advantage of Keita's ignorance. Salassin misrepresents the Afrocentric movement on the internet by focusing on dated true negro concepts and isolationist views, when arguments used by this community have grown so sophisticated and evolved so much, that he basically has Keita responding to ghosts. Note: Keita asks why Afrocentrists haven't used the data showing ancestral linkages between Greeks and Africans, assuming they are ignorant of such data (explicitly stating so). That argument, it turns out has been beaten to death by said "afrocentrists" yet Keita obviously had no idea. This was simply 30 minutes of carefully edited straw grasping. He took advantage of an out of touch, hard-nosed scientist; that's all that went on here.
My exact sentiments also, but I'm making plans to start a blog challenging every study and opinion that anyone has to say about Africans as well as presenting new data, the only to combat ignorance is to consistently challenge it head on.
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I asked Salsassin myself how he got the interview. He says he emailed Keita and it was Keita himself who suggested talking on the phone. Salsassin probably came up with the idea to record the phone conversation and post it on Youtube, no doubt without Keita's knowledge.
I've been debating Salsassin back and fourth on this video series and he clearly has a negative opinion of Egyptsearh. He generalizes the veterans as Afrocentrists with an ethno-racial agenda. He claims that Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt and see themselves as more connected to the civilization than Egypt's own African neighbors.
Anyone who has spent time here knows that this isn't true.
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quote:Originally posted by Morpheus: I asked Salsassin myself how he got the interview. He says he emailed Keita and it was Keita himself who suggested talking on the phone. Salsassin probably came up with the idea to record the phone conversation and post it on Youtube, no doubt without Keita's knowledge.
I've been debating Salsassin back and fourth on this video series and he clearly has a negative opinion of Egyptsearh. He generalizes the veterans as Afrocentrists with an ethno-racial agenda. He claims that Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt and see themselves as more connected to the civilization than Egypt's own African neighbors.
Anyone who has spent time here knows that this isn't true.
most Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: most Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt [/QB]
Most Egyptsearch posters insist that the scientific evidence proved that the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans. But who on here claims that all Black people have a greater connection to Egypt than Egypt's African neighbors?
Salsassin actually stated his belief that if we did a poll the majority of Egyptsearch posters would say that they have a greater connection to Egypt than Berbers.
He seems to miss the point of these discussions entirely. It's not about claiming that certain people have a greater connection to Egypt but to establish that their bio-cultural origins lie within Africa and that they were primarily dark-skinned which Keita himself contends.
Obviously this historical fact has many implications such as refuting the idea that Black Africans have not created advanced civilizations. For most of us it has nothing to do with claiming Egypt to be more our heritage than that of modern Egyptians or other groups in the area.
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quote:Originally posted by Morpheus: I asked Salsassin myself how he got the interview. He says he emailed Keita and it was Keita himself who suggested talking on the phone. Salsassin probably came up with the idea to record the phone conversation and post it on Youtube, no doubt without Keita's knowledge.
I've been debating Salsassin back and fourth on this video series and he clearly has a negative opinion of Egyptsearh. He generalizes the veterans as Afrocentrists with an ethno-racial agenda. He claims that Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt and see themselves as more connected to the civilization than Egypt's own African neighbors.
Anyone who has spent time here knows that this isn't true.
most Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt
You're full of it, when people say "black Egypt" what they really mean is that culturally and biologically ancient Egyptians never ceased being Africans, idiots like to project the image that AEs had nothing to do with other Africans except as enslavers and more to do with the Near East because they have this view that all of sub-Saharan Africa and North Africa and two different places without any interconnections. Salsassin already knew this was Keita's position so instead he makes atrawman arguments about Afrocentrists.
As for Keita, for a person that claims to know nothing about whats said of him on message boards and on the net, its funny that he should tell "Afrocentrists" about the PN2 clade when we've been saying that here at egyptsearch for years, Salsassin smartly never brought that up, lest he has nothing to argue against so called "Afrocentrists."
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Funny thing is that Afrocentrists are so proud of Africa, but most of you weren't born there and certainly would refuse to even live there.
Ah, wait, I forgot you claim the whole world was black, and all cultures are black creations, so I guess the whites should just kill themselves all and let the black greatness of civilization re-emerge on the whole planet.
What we're dealing here isn't re-discovering black history, it's paranoia paired with self-deception.
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: Funny thing is that Afrocentrists are so proud of Africa, but most of you weren't born there and certainly would refuse to even live there.
Ah, wait, I forgot you claim the whole world was black, and all cultures are black creations, so I guess the whites should just kill themselves all and let the black greatness of civilization re-emerge on the whole planet.
Racists are such strange people. You hate on people who haven't done anything to you and go to such great lengths to justify looking down on them.
Don't you realize how transparent you are? You have low self-esteem so you make yourself feel better by looking down on others. How else do you explain the obsession with trying to deny other people their place in history?
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: What we're dealing here isn't re-discovering black history, it's paranoia paired with self-deception.
How is providing evidence that the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans paranoia paired with self-deception?
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: That was a decent interview, notwithstanding the suspiciously edited segments and leading questions. How in the world did Jamie land that interview anyhow? How did Keita not realize that this was a hidden agenda under the guise of a scientific interview? Why else would a 3 hour interview be stripped down into 30 minutes of Jamie's gripes about Ethnocentrists, and Keita's subsequent responses to them?
Not worth commenting on besides that, I'm just truly surprised that he wasted a potentially good interview. Jamie took advantage of Keita's ignorance. Salassin misrepresents the Afrocentric movement on the internet by focusing on dated true negro concepts and isolationist views, when arguments used by this community have grown so sophisticated and evolved so much, that he basically has Keita responding to ghosts. Note: Keita asks why Afrocentrists haven't used the data showing ancestral linkages between Greeks and Africans, assuming they are ignorant of such data (explicitly stating so). That argument, it turns out has been beaten to death by said "afrocentrists" yet Keita obviously had no idea. This was simply 30 minutes of carefully edited straw grasping. He took advantage of an out of touch, hard-nosed scientist; that's all that went on here.
I emailed Keita, he did not know what Salsassin was all about. Also, he did not know that Salsassin had made the interview into three video's.
In his email response Keita was very guarded. I believe he was guarded because he may have felt I would use any comments he made to make it appear he was Afrocentric since I am well known for being an Afrocentrist.
This suggest that Jaime probably made up some lie to interview Keita. It is clear from the interview that Keita thought he was talking to a practicing attorney.
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: That was a decent interview, notwithstanding the suspiciously edited segments and leading questions. How in the world did Jamie land that interview anyhow? How did Keita not realize that this was a hidden agenda under the guise of a scientific interview? Why else would a 3 hour interview be stripped down into 30 minutes of Jamie's gripes about Ethnocentrists, and Keita's subsequent responses to them?
Not worth commenting on besides that, I'm just truly surprised that he wasted a potentially good interview. Jamie took advantage of Keita's ignorance. Salassin misrepresents the Afrocentric movement on the internet by focusing on dated true negro concepts and isolationist views, when arguments used by this community have grown so sophisticated and evolved so much, that he basically has Keita responding to ghosts. Note: Keita asks why Afrocentrists haven't used the data showing ancestral linkages between Greeks and Africans, assuming they are ignorant of such data (explicitly stating so). That argument, it turns out has been beaten to death by said "afrocentrists" yet Keita obviously had no idea. This was simply 30 minutes of carefully edited straw grasping. He took advantage of an out of touch, hard-nosed scientist; that's all that went on here.
My exact sentiments also, but I'm making plans to start a blog challenging every study and opinion that anyone has to say about Africans as well as presenting new data, the only to combat ignorance is to consistently challenge it head on.
A Blog will not change anybodies mind about the confusing articles on African genetics. Explorer already has a Blog doing just that.
What we really need are more scientific articles challeging the status quo. Right now only Keita and I, are publishing research in this area. But I will admit that paying as much as $2500 in publication cost for each article accepted for publication makes it hard to support this reseach. ( I have personally withdrew articles after I discovered the publication cost I was expected to pay.)
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I would like to see more video debates between scholars on these subjects as well as lectures like the Black Athena debate that is on Youtube and Keita's presentation at Cambridge.
I think the public will pay far closer attention to that than scientific articles though ofcourse those are also important to publish.
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: What we're dealing here isn't re-discovering black history, it's paranoia paired with self-deception.
How is providing evidence that the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans paranoia paired with self-deception?
because you ignore that Egyptians were white people too. I think both were present - whites and Nubians.
Also, Afrocentrism doesn't end in Egypt. When I check the frontpage of http://realhistoryww.com and read peoples comments here, it basically say ALL of the worlds cultures were started by blacks. The madness is endless - from black Hawaiians, to black Chinese, to black american Indians, but not a single word about proven african culture on that page.
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: because you ignore that Egyptians were white people too. I think both were present - whites and Nubians.
Also, Afrocentrism doesn't end in Egypt. When I check the frontpage of http://realhistoryww.com and read peoples comments here, it basically say ALL of the worlds cultures were started by blacks. The madness is endless - from black Hawaiians, to black Chinese, to black american Indians, but not a single word about proven african culture on that page.
And what do you make of White-history.com and other Eurocentric websites with their Nordic Egyptian Empire, Aryan Invasion of India theory, White Chinese, White Samurai, White Native Americans, White Great Zimbabwe etc. etc.?
You shouldn't make generalizations like that. The veterans of this website simply maintain that the bio-cultural origins of Egypt lie in Africa and that the people were primarily dark-skinned ("Black"). Many on this website are actually quite critical of the claim that Black Africans influenced all these other ancient civilizations around the world.
Now as for Whites being present in Ancient Egypt to what degree are you suggesting? And why do you say Whites and Nubians? Are you saying that the only Black people in Egypt were Nubians?
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quote:Originally posted by Morpheus: I asked Salsassin myself how he got the interview. He says he emailed Keita and it was Keita himself who suggested talking on the phone. Salsassin probably came up with the idea to record the phone conversation and post it on Youtube, no doubt without Keita's knowledge.
I've been debating Salsassin back and fourth on this video series and he clearly has a negative opinion of Egyptsearh. He generalizes the veterans as Afrocentrists with an ethno-racial agenda. He claims that Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt and see themselves as more connected to the civilization than Egypt's own African neighbors.
Anyone who has spent time here knows that this isn't true.
most Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt
like you insist on an all white greece?
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: What we're dealing here isn't re-discovering black history, it's paranoia paired with self-deception.
How is providing evidence that the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans paranoia paired with self-deception?
because you ignore that Egyptians were white people too. I think both were present - whites and Nubians.
Also, Afrocentrism doesn't end in Egypt. When I check the frontpage of http://realhistoryww.com and read peoples comments here, it basically say ALL of the worlds cultures were started by blacks. The madness is endless - from black Hawaiians, to black Chinese, to black american Indians, but not a single word about proven african culture on that page.
Kid you have no idea if you think we uphold Mike's Web Site as Scholarly..
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quote:Originally posted by Morpheus: I asked Salsassin myself how he got the interview. He says he emailed Keita and it was Keita himself who suggested talking on the phone. Salsassin probably came up with the idea to record the phone conversation and post it on Youtube, no doubt without Keita's knowledge.
I've been debating Salsassin back and fourth on this video series and he clearly has a negative opinion of Egyptsearh. He generalizes the veterans as Afrocentrists with an ethno-racial agenda. He claims that Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt and see themselves as more connected to the civilization than Egypt's own African neighbors.
Anyone who has spent time here knows that this isn't true.
I went back and forth with Salsassin too, he was talking about how people at E.S deny Berbers as African. I told him what most here uphold and honestly he seems to be clearly mistaken.
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quote:Originally posted by Morpheus: And why do you say Whites and Nubians? Are you saying that the only Black people in Egypt were Nubians?
Nubians were captured as slaves, some managed to reach high positions after proving themselves worthy it seems afaik, some of Pharaoh's wife were Nubians too probably, and I say Whites, because I dont really care if they were Icelanders or Indians or native whites from northern Africa, or survivors of Noah's flood or the Gilgamesh epos (which of course could be white, black or mixed).
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^What a silly conversation. A bunch of nine year olds wondering how they got here. You came from the cabbage patch - leave it at that and go play.
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Is it safe to say Keita did not cosign any of your afromadness ? (LOL) Post up the email exchange and let us see what he said, if you don't mind.
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: I emailed Keita, he did not know what Salsassin was all about. Also, he did not know that Salsassin had made the interview into three video's.
In his email response Keita was very guarded. I believe he was guarded because he may have felt I would use any comments he made to make it appear he was Afrocentric since I am well known for being an Afrocentrist.
This suggest that Jaime probably made up some lie to interview Keita. It is clear from the interview that Keita thought he was talking to a practicing attorney.
quote:Originally posted by Morpheus: I asked Salsassin myself how he got the interview. He says he emailed Keita and it was Keita himself who suggested talking on the phone. Salsassin probably came up with the idea to record the phone conversation and post it on Youtube, no doubt without Keita's knowledge.
I've been debating Salsassin back and fourth on this video series and he clearly has a negative opinion of Egyptsearh. He generalizes the veterans as Afrocentrists with an ethno-racial agenda. He claims that Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt and see themselves as more connected to the civilization than Egypt's own African neighbors.
His assessment is on the mark.
quote:Anyone who has spent time here knows that this isn't true.
Please tell me you are kiddin! please! Are you on drugs? ES oozes with Afrocentric fanaticism, bordering insanity. I mean, for Pete's sake! you have got people like Egmond who promotes outrageous claims like Renaissance European Whites are really light skinned Negroes. And he does this with impunity on the board. No one, except non Afrocentrists challenge him on this. Heck! Some of you even encourage his lunacy.
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quote:Originally posted by Morpheus: I would like to see more video debates between scholars on these subjects as well as lectures like the Black Athena debate that is on Youtube and Keita's presentation at Cambridge.
I think the public will pay far closer attention to that than scientific articles though ofcourse those are also important to publish.
Unless you can get a special on Discovery or History channel the public will not know too much about what we're talking about. Very few African people view youtube.
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: That was a decent interview, notwithstanding the suspiciously edited segments and leading questions. How in the world did Jamie land that interview anyhow? How did Keita not realize that this was a hidden agenda under the guise of a scientific interview? Why else would a 3 hour interview be stripped down into 30 minutes of Jamie's gripes about Ethnocentrists, and Keita's subsequent responses to them?
Not worth commenting on besides that, I'm just truly surprised that he wasted a potentially good interview. Jamie took advantage of Keita's ignorance. Salassin misrepresents the Afrocentric movement on the internet by focusing on dated true negro concepts and isolationist views, when arguments used by this community have grown so sophisticated and evolved so much, that he basically has Keita responding to ghosts. Note: Keita asks why Afrocentrists haven't used the data showing ancestral linkages between Greeks and Africans, assuming they are ignorant of such data (explicitly stating so). That argument, it turns out has been beaten to death by said "afrocentrists" yet Keita obviously had no idea. This was simply 30 minutes of carefully edited straw grasping. He took advantage of an out of touch, hard-nosed scientist; that's all that went on here.
My exact sentiments also, but I'm making plans to start a blog challenging every study and opinion that anyone has to say about Africans as well as presenting new data, the only to combat ignorance is to consistently challenge it head on.
A Blog will not change anybodies mind about the confusing articles on African genetics. Explorer already has a Blog doing just that.
What we really need are more scientific articles challeging the status quo. Right now only Keita and I, are publishing research in this area. But I will admit that paying as much as $2500 in publication cost for each article accepted for publication makes it hard to support this reseach. ( I have personally withdrew articles after I discovered the publication cost I was expected to pay.)
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Ok Clyde, how about you, me and the rest of the vets get together and publish a paper outlining the problems in studying Africa and put ofrth new approaches? We have tons of data here and ESR/ES will be the first messageboard collective to publish a paper. You have clout in this respect so lets do it. Better yet, lets start our own journal forget about paying mainstream journals 2500 dollars when all the do is post distorted history on Africans anyways.
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: Nubians were captured as slaves, some managed to reach high positions after proving themselves worthy it seems afaik, some of Pharaoh's wife were Nubians too probably, and I say Whites, because I dont really care if they were Icelanders or Indians or native whites from northern Africa, or survivors of Noah's flood or the Gilgamesh epos (which of course could be white, black or mixed).
So basically you don't believe in a Multiracial Egypt you believe in a White Egypt with a Black minority who consisted of Nubians slaves that occasionally rose in station. Basically the same garbage that they teach White Nationalists on White-history.com.
This view is perfectly fine to you because you think it's the truth yet when people here show you anthropological, archeological, linguistic, cultural, genetic and artistic evidence that the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans they're just exercising paranoia and self-deception. Unless paranoia and self-deception are new words for stating facts and backing them up with credible sources I'd say that you don't come out on the winning end of this argument.
quote:Originally posted by Gigantic: Please tell me you are kiddin! please! Are you on drugs? ES oozes with Afrocentric fanaticism, bordering insanity. I mean, for Pete's sake! you have got people like Egmond who promotes outrageous claims like Renaissance European Whites are really light skinned Negroes. And he does this with impunity on the board. No one, except non Afrocentrists challenge him on this. Heck! Some of you even encourage his lunacy.
I'm not even familiar with Egmond. You may not notice this but I don't post on Egyptsearch much anymore. My statements are based on familiarity with the veterans who most often cite Keita's work. Salsassin is accusing them of advocating an ethnocentric agenda and only hearing what they want to hear when reading Keita's literature or listening to his videos which is simply not true.
Some of us have actually emailed Keita ourselves to ask him specific questions about his views on Ancient Egypt.
Posts: 647 | From: Atlanta | Registered: Jan 2009
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quote:Originally posted by .Charlie Bass.: Better yet, lets start our own journal forget about paying mainstream journals 2500 dollars when all the do is post distorted history on Africans anyways.
The problem is that if we do that, people won't take our journal seriously, instead dismissing it as fringe. No, we need to infiltrate the mainstream if we are to have any effect.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Unless you can get a special on Discovery or History channel the public will not know too much about what we're talking about. Very few African people view youtube.
Alot more Black people view Youtube than they do scientific articles.
Plus we can always put recent scholarly articles on the subject in the description for the videos.
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LOL Why dont you publish it in your ancestors homeland Egypt? I guess they'd burn down the distributor.
Posts: 223 | From: Germania | Registered: Sep 2010
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quote:Originally posted by .Charlie Bass.: Better yet, lets start our own journal forget about paying mainstream journals 2500 dollars when all the do is post distorted history on Africans anyways.
The problem is that if we do that, people won't take our journal seriously, instead dismissing it as fringe. No, we need to infiltrate the mainstream if we are to have any effect.
It dosen't matter what other people think of your journal--what you want to do is publish the truth. Granted, you are still an undergraduate so you may want to be circumspect in what you publish because you hope to have a career in the anthropology field; and you don't want anyone to use what you have written against you.
I see great potential in you. I hope you will study physical anthropology and do graduate work at the University of Chicago.
Here they have one of the most famous archaeologist who is working in Africa excavating prehistoric animals and ancient cultures. Physical anthropology would be a good field for you because your interest lie in prehistory and is focused on Africa
Your artistic skills are a plus because you will be able to record what you find, and while you are still an undergraduate you may want to volunteer at archaeological sites to get the experience and later put on your applications for Graduate School.
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Unless you can get a special on Discovery or History channel the public will not know too much about what we're talking about. Very few African people view youtube.
Alot more Black people view Youtube than they do scientific articles.
Plus we can always put recent scholarly articles on the subject in the description for the videos.
True. But most African Americans support other African Americans whose work is legitimized by Europeans. Europeans know this so they ignore the work of Black researchers whose work they can not fault.
As a result, when you get work published by Europeans--even if they disagree with your work--Black people believe you have something to say--since it was recognized by the "man".
Posts: 13012 | From: Chicago | Registered: Jan 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Morpheus: I asked Salsassin myself how he got the interview. He says he emailed Keita and it was Keita himself who suggested talking on the phone. Salsassin probably came up with the idea to record the phone conversation and post it on Youtube, no doubt without Keita's knowledge.
I've been debating Salsassin back and fourth on this video series and he clearly has a negative opinion of Egyptsearh. He generalizes the veterans as Afrocentrists with an ethno-racial agenda. He claims that Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt and see themselves as more connected to the civilization than Egypt's own African neighbors.
Anyone who has spent time here knows that this isn't true.
most Egyptsearch posters are absolutists who insist on an all Black Egypt
You're full of it, when people say "black Egypt" what they really mean is that culturally and biologically ancient Egyptians never ceased being Africans
That's like saying African Americans never ceased being American. Also the term "Africa" as a separate region from Asia that encompassed what we now called the African continent had no equivalent in ancient Egypt.
quote:Originally posted by .Charlie Bass: idiots like to project the image that AEs had nothing to do with other Africans except as enslavers and more to do with the Near East because they have this view that all of sub-Saharan Africa and North Africa and two different places without any interconnections.
The Egyptian Empire at it's height extended from part of Sudan to Syria. Egyptians did not settle in other regions of Africa and had little influence in those areas even though lasting for over 3000 years. The fact is you do not see their technology spreading into other areas of Africa except in the Sudan region.
quote:Originally posted by .Charlie Bass: when people say "black Egypt" what they really mean is that culturally and biologically ancient Egyptians never ceased being Africans
what they really mean is that ancient Egyptians had dark skin and no ancestry from the Levant
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: there's evidence for European (north Mediterranean) immigrants to littoral N Africa in prehistoric times
I hope somebody sent Keita the link to Salsassin's video and channel so he is aware of the context of it. Unfortunately he may be ignoring some peoples latest emails due to smelling a counter political agenda.
Obsession with Egypt is a way of ignoring our West African ancestors by applying "civilization" superiority concepts. At least Clyde does not spend 90% of his time on Egypt.
Posts: 42922 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: That was a decent interview, notwithstanding the suspiciously edited segments and leading questions. How in the world did Jamie land that interview anyhow? How did Keita not realize that this was a hidden agenda under the guise of a scientific interview? Why else would a 3 hour interview be stripped down into 30 minutes of Jamie's gripes about Ethnocentrists, and Keita's subsequent responses to them?
Not worth commenting on besides that, I'm just truly surprised that he wasted a potentially good interview. Jamie took advantage of Keita's ignorance. Salassin misrepresents the Afrocentric movement on the internet by focusing on dated true negro concepts and isolationist views, when arguments used by this community have grown so sophisticated and evolved so much, that he basically has Keita responding to ghosts. Note: Keita asks why Afrocentrists haven't used the data showing ancestral linkages between Greeks and Africans, assuming they are ignorant of such data (explicitly stating so). That argument, it turns out has been beaten to death by said "afrocentrists" yet Keita obviously had no idea. This was simply 30 minutes of carefully edited straw grasping. He took advantage of an out of touch, hard-nosed scientist; that's all that went on here.
My exact sentiments also, but I'm making plans to start a blog challenging every study and opinion that anyone has to say about Africans as well as presenting new data, the only to combat ignorance is to consistently challenge it head on.
A Blog will not change anybodies mind about the confusing articles on African genetics. Explorer already has a Blog doing just that.
What we really need are more scientific articles challeging the status quo. Right now only Keita and I, are publishing research in this area. But I will admit that paying as much as $2500 in publication cost for each article accepted for publication makes it hard to support this reseach. ( I have personally withdrew articles after I discovered the publication cost I was expected to pay.)
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Ok Clyde, how about you, me and the rest of the vets get together and publish a paper outlining the problems in studying Africa and put ofrth new approaches? We have tons of data here and ESR/ES will be the first messageboard collective to publish a paper. You have clout in this respect so lets do it. Better yet, lets start our own journal forget about paying mainstream journals 2500 dollars when all the do is post distorted history on Africans anyways.
This seems like a good idea. I will investigate the matter in the future when I have more time. Right now I'm teaching a new class which is taking up a lot of prep time.
If I see anyway to produce a journal I will announce it here and request articles for possible publication. It will probably be like the early issues of the Journal of African Civilization.
I do believe that the Vets here could do a book relating to their most important themes and publish it. Charlie you may want to organize the effort.
If you do decide to self publish a book go to , I think it is Authors Press. This company does good advertizement for their products and would give your book good exposure to the press and public. Those authors contributing papers to the book should agree to pay part of the cost for publishing the book.
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