Its no coincidence that the only afrocentric nutbags who claim blacks are indigenous europeans just so happen to be black IMMIGRANTS living in white european countries e.g. egmond codfied living in Holland amongst millions of white dutch so out of insecurity he concocts this fantasy/lie that blacks were there first to justify why he can live among the whites.
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quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: But you with your theory of blue blood say no. I believe.....
As long as you overstand the difference between FACT and THEORY...as they are not one and the same....smh
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I believe that has a lot to be discovered. I believe we should go that way It has been shown several images of black kings of Europe in the modern era. I know this is still under study. I do not believe blindly. I want proof, of course.
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Thank you. I'm taking my conclusions. But of course depend on you go showing your findings.
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quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: I believe that has a lot to be discovered. I believe we should go that way It has been shown several images of black kings of Europe in the modern era. I know this is still under study. I do not believe blindly. I want proof, of course.
A fact is Truth....
A theory is just a theory until it's proven to be Truth...THEN it becomes fact....and not until....
inside the word belief is a likkle lie...
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Black people are not hated but feared. We are feared because long ago people who wanted to rule the world knew that the only way this could be achieved is if they thwart the power and status attained by black people.
When foreigners set their eyes upon us they were marveled at our greatness. We were the mysterious, righteous people held in such awe and blessed for the position we had gained for ourselves. They said to themselves that if they were to ever rule the earth they can never allow these people to rise again. So while they went about on their quest, eventually the systematic destruction against African people was on.
They went about exploiting our minds, destroying our knowledge and replacing our story and stealing out history. Even the children of these people support the marginalization and injustice of our people working on keeping our population in check for as long as they can. Never have any other group of people fallen so far, been so torn apart, pressured and starved yet possess the spirit to rise and never give up despite being in the worse possible circumstances.
Many black people are confused about their situation. Many do not understand why a crusade of negative propaganda is constantly launched toward us as a people. Some say "they hate me because im black" and many other reasons which are absurd. Its not because you are just "black" but what our identity represents in terms of our origins, peoples and cultures. Our resourceful continent, our culture, our flat nose, kinky hair, full lips, evertd mouth and tropical body type means we bear an identity of a people who come from greatness.
I would never believe its possible for such greatness to result in treating a group with disdain, fear and rejection over the course of time. I would never believe its possible for such greatness in a moment of a peoples time to bring about such suffering and chaos. So as i mentioned before hatred is not the cause of their doctrine against us but fear. Fear for if we were to recognize how great we once were in a moment of our time we will escape the unfortunate status they've laid for us and return to that greatness.
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I used to believe blacks were so disliked by whites, as well as other cultures such as Chinese, Japanese, Indians, etc. because these cultures were simply afraid of blacks due to various reasons. Then I took a hard look at black people in an objective way, trying to put myself in the position of a person of another culture and what they might see in looking at blacks, their culture, history, potential, circumstance, etc.
Now, rather than hate, i see something else. I see them viewing a people who basically lead in every aspect of human existence that has significance in measuring human potential, such as; Physical attribute, Sexual potency, Music, art, literature, science, politics, sports, religion, and every other area of life that dictate shaping of mainstream thought.
Other cultures must see all this potential and wonder; Then why the hell are they such underachievers in the one area that all other cultures perform naturally, taking care of their own? The truth is, In the end, it matters little if you have been gifted and blessed with all this potential if you fail to do the fundamental basics for group survival, and that is to be responsible and control of for your own group. So, with this new insight, I have to reevaluate if it's really hate that these other groups feel, or just extreme envy mixed with disgust that a group can be so great, yet be self defeating, and destructively weak as a group which ultimately leads to our negative condition. After all, if this basic element were not missing, no one would be capable of exploiting, enslaving, or containing us.
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I feel any political reality in the world must have a cause. The acrimonious nature of racism against Blacks suggest a confrontation, recently.
The law of cause and effect forces us to find a true reason instead of endless, baseless, ineffectual speculations.
Doing so we find that the Black European Kings, the revisionism, the invention of the human races and scientific racism against Blacks are all interconnected.
If we want to change anything we need a vision which really makes a difference, like telling Blacks they are not destined to be slaves, but were kings, who once dominated whites.
According to Jane Austen (1775-1817)in Emma (1816), Blacks lost power because they mixed their pure blood with whites, and they elevated them to their high civilisation, making them believe they were equal to their Black masters. She lived when these changes were actually happening: the French Revolution, the invention of Races, the revisionism of history, the degredation of Blacks to the position of Apes, the restoration of the monarchies.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Another decent work on the subject of the slave trade is
The Slave Trade is a massive (900-page) book that attempts to document the entire history of the Atlantic slave trade, a sordid business that somehow prospered for more than four centuries. As the sheer heft of the book might indicate, the story is complicated. Much of the extensive research conducted by Hugh Thomas relates to rivalries both in Europe and Africa. Those who wonder how slavery could have existed in the United States may find revelatory the moral ambiguity of how the business of transporting slaves was conducted. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/178472.The_Slave_Trade
It details the cost and who made what. and for those who think that Africans were simply trading for trinkets think again.
quote:The king Tegbesu of Dahomey,who made # 250,000 a year from selling Africans in about 1750: far more than any English duke's annual income
From my own research, after the etnicity of the Surinam slave masters and governors, and from reading Mansfield Park by Jane Austen I know that it was the European Black elite who enslaved Africans. Perhaps the debate among these European Blacks was of these African Blacks were their brothers or just an alien specie. Perhaps Jane Austen tried to make the point that Blacks lowered their own prestige by enslaving their own relatives, the African Blacks. In Mansfield Park fanny Price is casted in the roll of a favourite house slave. The house slaves were in fact relatives of their masters: children, half-brothers/ sisters, which explains their preferential treatment. The problem with books like these, even if they are written by a Black scholar, are ideological racist in their definition of Blacks. Eurocentrist, eurocentrist universities insist that Blacks are those with a certain biometry and have slave ancestors, to be legally identified as Black. Because of this insistence we will never get to the truth if we do not break away from this academical servitude. To do so we will need to break some eggs...This is the colonisation of the mind, that needs to change.
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quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: I understand. I read that the saint maurice was actually Celtic. I do not think this woman is a servant and you?
St Maurice figures in my research because I have to understand that his, at this time of 1120 AD, was the first depiction of a classical African in Europe. We need to consider the symbolic meaning of the image. Whether he was a Celt is of less importance. So I asked what has changed that from hence a African person would be shown as an African. The same with the Queen of Sheba, who became depicted as Black, and the Black King, Blathazar at the birth of Jesus, the Christian god. All this coincided with the emergence of the European nobility, which claimed blue blood, after blue men: as how European Blacks 500-1500, were called. Blacks took over and expressed their pride by showing Blacks at the birth of christianity, which is the true European identity. Blacks were not only muslims or pagans, enemies of Europe: but good christians as well.
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quote:Originally posted by Gigantic: ^Whites gainsay Blacks because of the relative ease by which they were able to enslave them - it is borne of contempt.
Are you saying white people hate black people because they put black people in bondage? That sounds rather silly and senseless no? If anything whites gainsay blacks because of indoctrinated religion born from the tendency and act of conquest toward black people, not hatred.
If whites hated Blacks because of slavery it would be like a farmer daily going into his barn to beat the milkcows who provide his income. In surinam history I find little verbal, racist abuse of Blacks because they are Blacks.
The reason might be that the slave masters from Europe were not whites, fair perhaps, but not whites. And they mingled with their female slaves, having little mulattoes all over the place, which they sometimes recognized as their own litter, and had them educated.
Racial abuse is from after 1848.
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quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: I used to believe blacks were so disliked by whites, as well as other cultures such as Chinese, Japanese, Indians, etc. because these cultures were simply afraid of blacks due to various reasons. Then I took a hard look at black people in an objective way, trying to put myself in the position of a person of another culture and what they might see in looking at blacks, their culture, history, potential, circumstance, etc.
Now, rather than hate, i see something else. I see them viewing a people who basically lead in every aspect of human existence that has significance in measuring human potential, such as; Physical attribute, Sexual potency, Music, art, literature, science, politics, sports, religion, and every other area of life that dictate shaping of mainstream thought.
Other cultures must see all this potential and wonder; Then why the hell are they such underachievers in the one area that all other cultures perform naturally, taking care of their own? The truth is, In the end, it matters little if you have been gifted and blessed with all this potential if you fail to do the fundamental basics for group survival, and that is to be responsible and control of for your own group. So, with this new insight, I have to reevaluate if it's really hate that these other groups feel, or just extreme envy mixed with disgust that a group can be so great, yet be self defeating, and destructively weak as a group which ultimately leads to our negative condition. After all, if this basic element were not missing, no one would be capable of exploiting, enslaving, or containing us.
Cause and effect. At a certain point in time the victim of racial discrimination, or sexism has to assume responsibility for his own situation. But I'm very aware of all the hindrances put in place by eurocentrism to prevent blacks from finding their own voice. In Surinam our own media and institutions are bought by the Dutch with euros’ while the newspaper, radio and TV stations are overrun by Dutch 'stagiares.'(trainees)
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Maybe you're right. They do gainsay blacks unlike any other colour groups, ethnicities, or nations in exactly the manner and matter that you point out.
More than hatred their attitude is one of contempt.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: After all these years I have to conclude that whites do not want a rational conduct of research and discussion. Any discourse is war to them, and they need to descredit any Black argument.
... and never answer a rational argument or look into the evidence or rationally discuss a reasoning offered by a Black identified research.
My research follows out of the need to know how it started, and how the hatred is conveyed to young whites, and why whites in America, Holland, England or Belgium sound so much alike when they abuse afrocentrism?
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quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: I understand. I know there are cave paintings indicate that blacks are native to Europe. I've seen thousands of images of blacks of Europe. I thought black people had lost power in the late Middle Ages. But you with your theory of blue blood say no. I believe. I've seen many pictures of black kings and maurice. I'm just wanting to understand more. I know that the Eurocentric twist history by putting all the blacks from Africa to Europe and not as natives. I read that the saint maurice was actually Celtic. I do not think this woman is a servant and you?
Interesting Blacks on this forum will accept Blacks in diasporah turning up like Olmecs, but Blacks in the European Disaporah, while Africa is on Europe's doorstep, is to strange to them. But this again is also highly unacceptable for whites, which shows that many blacks on this forum are housenigger trash. They hate Blacks.
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quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: After all these years I have to conclude that whites do not want a rational conduct of research and discussion. Any discourse is war to them, and they need to descredit any Black argument. So I think that in order to be white, to feel white; they are taught to hate Blacks, and never answer a rational argument or look into the evidence or rationally discuss a reasoning offered by a Black identified research.
Then I also feel that there is some bullying here towards people who know one another; not to cross the race-line. This is not what I would expect from a free people like the Americans. There is no freedom of research on this web, when people are not free to explore different viewpoints or give support to alternative views.
I believe this analysis ignores the WHYs, which is the most important part.
If we go back to the root of the problem, it starts around the 700s/800s. This is when the Moors (Black Africans) controlled Europe. I am going to assume that centuries of rule by Africans and enslavement of their countrymen (in the millions) into Africa couldn't have sat well with them (Europeans). Once they were able to throw the yoke of the Moor off, I believe they became hateful toward the black man.
It was a little after they threw the yoke off that they started to study the ancient sciences. However, everywhere they went they see their hated foe the African, giving rise to these civilizations while they played no part. In many instances they also see they were enslaved. For example, the white Asiatic is introduced into Egypt around the 4 dynasty via slavery. Then in the 18th dynasty enslavement of many Semitics really picks up.
This would also explain the utter hatred they displayed toward statuary in Egypt, knocking off noses and defacing monuments. This also explains the absolute vigor they show in their old writings, disparaging black people. I mean, to go to the lengths they have gone, to hide truth and deceiving not only black people but the world shows real effort, and that effort I would assume is driven by either fear, hate or some combination of the two.
This has to be a hard pill to swallow for them. 1. to know you contributed nothing to foundations of civilization. 2. the group of people you hate the most did the most in-terms of science and civilizing the word and enslaving whites. Again, has to be a hard pill to swallow.
So that initial group of Europeans prior to the recapture of Europe from the Moors were most likely racist and angry. They then pass this down to their offspring who perpetuate this hate to this very day. The difference today is, I don't believe most whites (outside of academia) understand WHY they think and act they way they do. It's sort of like religion. Most people view to be some mystical, magical thing, but when you go to the root of it and get passed the symbolism you are dealing with science. My point is, meanings get lost over the centuries. The African (this includes the diaspora) shouldn't worry themselves with why whites are the way they are. Relearn your history, apply to your life and teach your babies. If that keeps up, after a few generations Africans will become strong nation builders again. But to do this, we need a renaissance and I believe we should use Nile valley civilization as the foundation for such a renaissance the same way Europeans use Greece and Rome.
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I assume brada anansie in disguise is telling us here his hypothesis, never being clear what research he has done to arrive at these sweeping assesments. It's funny, I have been studying European Blacks who became a noble elite since 2005, but seem to be so stupid, being a Black?,that any trash from the gutter knows better. Blacks are not supposed to research whites, or what whites have falsely presented as whites, because whites are superior beings, and must study slavery, and people they have defined as Blacks, 19th century descendents of slaves. Also living in Holland, being dutch, having the right to vote, I have to accept second class status and not fend my opinions, about how the country is run: I'm slapped with a travel ban. I believe I have been hitting home with my research about them preparing a holocaust, and that their Kings were brown and black complexioned. The travelban makes sense as i cannot spent time in Surinam where my Blacks take notice of what a Surinam Black says. Houseniggers are total sell-outs, corrupt and evil. When as a Black researcher you come out sounding like eurocentric trash, when you are in agreement with their attacks and ways of not acknowledging proof, you might want to check yourself. I you as a Black notice yourself waging war on a Black researcher, you need to check your dedication to Blacks and their deliverance from white supremacy.
There was this method of lacing people with car tires, I feel this might become necessery again.
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Err Egmond what sweeping assesment what are you talking about..
Egmond
quote:I assume brada anansie in disguise is telling us here his hypothesis, never being clear what research he has done to arrive at these sweeping assesments.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: [qb] After all these years I have to conclude that whites do not want a rational conduct of research and discussion. Any discourse is war to them, and they need to descredit any Black argument. So I think that in order to be white, to feel white; they are taught to hate Blacks, and never answer a rational argument or look into the evidence or rationally discuss a reasoning offered by a Black identified research.
Then I also feel that there is some bullying here towards people who know one another; not to cross the race-line. This is not what I would expect from a free people like the Americans. There is no freedom of research on this web, when people are not free to explore different viewpoints or give support to alternative views.
I believe this analysis ignores the WHYs, which is the most important part.
If we go back to the root of the problem, it starts around the 700s/800s. This is when the Moors (Black Africans) controlled Europe. I am going to assume that centuries of rule by Africans and enslavement of their countrymen (in the millions) into Africa couldn't have sat well with them (Europeans). Once they were able to throw the yoke of the Moor off, I believe they became hateful toward the black man.
So that initial group of Europeans prior to the recapture of Europe from the Moors were most likely racist and angry.
so you are saying white racism is reverse racism against the original racist Moors who enslaved them?
This similar to Egmond's argument that the original racists were the black nobles who skinned whites to use their hides for leather products. The ensuing counter racism of whites is merely a reaction to the original racist black slave masters
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The Black nobles who became an elite considered themselves the true (edel) = adel (Dutch for nobility) Europeans. They felt they belonged. They were civilised. Perhaps they noticed the intermarriage between Blacks and whites and realised Blacks would dissapear from Europe, what eventually happened beginning in the 19th century. Jane austen warned about this annihilation of Blacks. She wrote distinctively about Blacks so her text could not be misunderstood. Now people are trying to convice Blacks that 'brown and black' in Austen works meant white. I'm not a researcher eager to make moral judgements, I try to reconstruct the past. They brought civilisation put condemned people to live flaying. I did not flay or oppress anybody, nor do I wear human leather on my feet. I do not think anybody should be punished for mistakes of the past.
In general your presence in my threads disgust me.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Err Egmond what sweeping assesment what are you talking about..
Egmond
quote:I assume brada anansie in disguise is telling us here his hypothesis, never being clear what research he has done to arrive at these sweeping assesments.
Are you typezeiss? You are covering in your hypothesis many centuries: this I regard as a sweeping statement. You sound like Mike111, who uses an image to represent ages of history. Quite primitive.
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quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: The Black nobles who became an elite considered themselves the true (edel) = adel (Dutch for nobility) Europeans. They felt they belonged. They were civilised. I'm not a researcher eager to make moral judgements, I try to reconstruct the past. They brought civilisation put condemned people to live flaying. I did not flay or oppress anybody, nor do I waer human leather on my feet. I do not think anybody should be punished for mistakes in the past. In general your presence in my threads disgust me.
some would say skinning people alive is uncivilized
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Strange people are using my research, making strange connections: Isabelle de Charriere is supposed to have changed her name from Belle in Isabelle! Her true name is Isabelle, and outside the Netherlands she is only known as Isabelle de Charriere. And she might be Black because her family owned property in Surinam. Stupid! Yes she had a relative of her other grandmother in Suriname, but that does not explains her blackness as a member of the old, high nobility. There is a slight change that De Charriere and I share bloodlines, with her relation finding a child with a former slave, who married Cordua. If the Cordua/Neumann slaves are children of their Cordua masters, as I suspect, there might be a connection. Which off course has nothing to do with muy truly important finding: blue blood is black blood. But at least my studies are brought to an wider audience some person at Berkely might want to look for himself, what I'm saying, and discard the stupid distortions by stupid people.
to safe you searching and scrolling:
[Maria Jacoba van Goor, Isabelle de Charriere's regent class granny. Her other granny was a noble lady.]
quote:Hilde Neus (Paramaribo, College of Education)
From Zuylen to Stein, Building Modern Literature
Egmond Codfried saw a portrait of Belle van Zuylen’s grandmother and proposed she was black. He finds his opinion supported in ‘Portrait de Zelide’ a self description of Belle in which she states: ‘Elle n’a pas la main blanche…’. The idea in itself is not totally without grounds, since Van Tuyl van Serooskerken, Belle’s family, used to own property in the Dutch colony of Suriname in South America. After marrying the Swiss count De Charričre, Belle changed her name to Isabelle and moved to Switzerland. Her she doted her time to writing novels, epistolary manuscripts and philosophical treaties. Together with Pierre-Alexandre Du Peyrou she published work by Rousseau and defended his wife against malicious gossip. After the French Revolution she wrote an interesting novel, ‘Trois Femmes’ (1798). The main character is Constance, who lives with two other women of different social class in a little village. It turns out that her fortunes are of dubious background. In a supplement, ‘Histoire de Constance’ (that was never published or translated), the author explains about the origins of Constance, a creole woman originating from Martinique. Her uncle had a disastrous love affair with a black slave girl; their mulatto daughter was raised by Constance for some time. The story is a trope for the relations between (French) Europe and the colonies. Du Peyrou and relatives had played a major role in the eighteenth century politics in Suriname and owned important plantations. We could say that his fortune was one derived from the blood and sweat of the slaves who worked his plantations. It seems almost impossible that Isabelle de Charriere never talked about the (Dutch –not French!) colonies with her dear friend Du Peyrou. In describing the situation on Martinique she might have been writing about the situation in Suriname. According to Vega, ‘Trois Femmes’ would fit perfectly within Said’s theory of Culture and Imperialism, especially since Belle wrote in a literary oppositional fashion against colonialism. Gertrude Stein wrote Three Lives (1909) in Paris, where she had lived as a child, and returned to in 1903. In this modernistic psychological novel she describes in detail the portraits of three very different women (like in ‘Trois Femmes’). One of these women is black; Melanctha is all about her sexual searching and tragic love affair. According to Wilson Stein was one of the first to write with an approach totally free of race consciousness. ‘Behind the clear, mostly monotone simplicity of Gertrude Stein’s syntax we see more and more how she controls the contradictory and undividable organisms that human characters are made of’. In the ‘Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas’ we learn about Steins attitude toward language. There is no undeniable proof that Belle van Zuylen was of influence to Gertrude Stein, but in close reading both ‘Trois Femmes’ and ‘Three Lives’ we see a number of similarities in topic and theme. Both women were trend setters of their times. Stein so much that Picasso painted one of his first cubist painting ‘Trois Femmes’, inspired by her book. In this paper I would like to go into the possibilities of Belle van Zuylen having been of influence and inspiration to Gertrude Stein.
Hilde Neus – van der Putten was born in 1960 in the Netherlands. She taught for six year at a primary International School in Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania and is currently living in Suriname, since 1991. Attended Advanced Teacher Training College (IOL) in Paramaribo and majored in Dutch Language and Culture at the University of Amsterdam in 2003. She has been teaching in High School the subjects Dutch language and Arts and culture from 2000 – 2005. Since 2000 she is working as Educational Officer for the Suriname Museum Foundation where she makes children’s programs and builds exhibitions. She is also program coordinator at the College for Education in Paramaribo. She is currently writing a Ph.D. in the Dept. of History at the Erasmus University Rotterdam about the topic “Free Women in Suriname in the 18th century.” Neus writes regular book reviews for the daily newspaper De Ware Tijd and articles on the museum in Museumstof. Since January 2010 she teaches at the Advanced Teacher Training College (IOL) in the subjects Colonial and Modern Literature and is now head of the Dutch language department. She published ‘Susanna du Plessis. Portret van een slavenmeesteres’, a study on a cruel slave mistress. (KIT 2003). In 2007 she edited ‘Diversity is Power’, an Anthology of Poetry, Short Stories, Columns and works of Art to commemorate the 5th International Literature Festival Suriname. Recently she co-authored ‘Gerrit Schouten. Met meesterhand vervaardigd’ (Libri Musei Surinamensis 4, 2008) with Laddy van Putten.
Hilde Neus is the second person who research Maria Susanna Du Plessis (1739-1795), and I was the first. So I did study slavery but found an independence movement (1742-1753). This research prepared me for looking for the origins of the governors and slave masters.
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Again, a researcher is not to mix moral judgements with his research, or put people on pedestals. They made europe as we know it today, on the backs of the white and black Europeans. Everything shown to us as white achievement was done by blacks. And they left so many marks of their presence and how they identified as blacks. Interesting how even today a coloured South African filmmaker is denounced as a coloured, not fit to critizise whites. I was ready to consider him white, but they see him as not-white.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: w even today a coloured South African filmmaker is denounced as a coloured, not fit to critizise whites. I was ready to consider him white, but they see him as not-white.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: [qb] After all these years I have to conclude that whites do not want a rational conduct of research and discussion. Any discourse is war to them, and they need to descredit any Black argument. So I think that in order to be white, to feel white; they are taught to hate Blacks, and never answer a rational argument or look into the evidence or rationally discuss a reasoning offered by a Black identified research.
Then I also feel that there is some bullying here towards people who know one another; not to cross the race-line. This is not what I would expect from a free people like the Americans. There is no freedom of research on this web, when people are not free to explore different viewpoints or give support to alternative views.
I believe this analysis ignores the WHYs, which is the most important part.
If we go back to the root of the problem, it starts around the 700s/800s. This is when the Moors (Black Africans) controlled Europe. I am going to assume that centuries of rule by Africans and enslavement of their countrymen (in the millions) into Africa couldn't have sat well with them (Europeans). Once they were able to throw the yoke of the Moor off, I believe they became hateful toward the black man.
So that initial group of Europeans prior to the recapture of Europe from the Moors were most likely racist and angry.
so you are saying white racism is reverse racism against the original racist Moors who enslaved them?
This similar to Egmond's argument that the original racists were the black nobles who skinned whites to use their hides for leather products. The ensuing counter racism of whites is merely a reaction to the original racist black slave masters
Well the ancient egyptians seemed to be racist against semites at least, not sure about other groups. I know people say they hated "nubians" but considering there was no such thing as "nubians" during the time of the of the kemetic kingdom, thats is impossible. as for the moors, I don't believed they were racist, I just think they ruled over whites at one point and enslaved them. This enslavement then brought about hatred, I believe.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Err Egmond what sweeping assesment what are you talking about..
Egmond
quote:I assume brada anansie in disguise is telling us here his hypothesis, never being clear what research he has done to arrive at these sweeping assesments.
Are you typezeiss? You are covering in your hypothesis many centuries: this I regard as a sweeping statement. You sound like Mike111, who uses an image to represent ages of history. Quite primitive.
errr what?!
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quote:Are you typezeiss? You are covering in your hypothesis many centuries: this I regard as a sweeping statement. You sound like Mike111, who uses an image to represent ages of history. Quite primitive.
Off course I am not TypeZeiss I don't do multiple avatars nor I am in the habit of having a conversation with myself as I am not lonely,drunk or crazy!! Oh I forgot yesterday was 420 in your neck of the woods so you probably had a great smoke out but you shouldn't post when you are high or on the rag
And I still don't know what the heck you are on about. Btw please kiss N make up with Mike keep the team tight.
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quote:Are you typezeiss? You are covering in your hypothesis many centuries: this I regard as a sweeping statement. You sound like Mike111, who uses an image to represent ages of history. Quite primitive.
Off course I am not TypeZeiss I don't do multiple avatars nor I am in the habit of having a conversation with myself as I am not lonely,drunk or crazy!! Oh I forgot yesterday was 420 in your neck of the woods so you probably had a great smoke out but you shouldn't post when you are high or on the rag
And I still don't know what the heck you are on about. Btw please kiss N make up with Mike keep the team tight.
I do not team up with house niggers and gay-bashers: I'm sorry. I rather see them runover by a train. I have no fight with Mike111, he just hit the loony bin and this needed to be pointed out as he is f ucking up the all important blue blood research. We have broken up and I have taken Malibudusul to my bosom. These are the simple facts of life. I'm quite boring, seldom going out, no alcohol, no drugs, taking care of my meagre garden, cooking and much reading. Now I'm waiting till the Dutch secret service will run me over with a car for saying that Beatrix comes from Blacks.
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: This enslavement then brought about hatred, I believe.
Is enslaving people a form of hatred against them?
It can be. Egyptians seemed to hate Semitics a lot, and they did enslave them. When you read correspondence between Egyptian kings and semitic rulers the discourse doesn't seem to be pleasant. So one could argue that in that case, slavery was based on some hatred. Especially since Egyptians didn't use slaves to build much, and I am not sure what role slaves played in agriculture, seeing as how the slaves were in the north for the most part.
Other african groups seemed to do it based on economics. So I guess an argument could be made for both situations i.e. hate based slavery, versus economic.
We also see enslavement of the descendants of Axumite rulers in Arabia after that empire fell and that was definitely hate based.
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Racism against Blacks by whites is a liberation ideology. They do not want to be ruled by Blacks ever again. Even today some do not know they were ruled by Black Kings and Nobles, but whiteness is somehow conveyed to them, in a way so they will hate and fear any Black. Afterall you will not help your enemy to positions of power and authority. The Sinterklaas festival in Holland is a blatant Racist Initiation. Hatred against Blacks is so powerful, that even blacks suucumb to this idea. Especially the half-blacks who are not sufficiently raised by the Black parents, and grow up thinking they are white. So Racism can be reconstructed, it's not some mysterious evil. Cause and effect. Black Slavery did not start with whites, but with the Black European elite. They saw themselves as christian and civilized and set out to civilize the Blacks. By keeping them as slaves they would learn to be human and christians. All this we know already, put do not understand it within the right context. Cause and effect. We know many half truths. We know the elite painted up white, but do not ask why, if they were whites, would they ugly themselves with white paint and blush, and bleach their skin. The Prince on a white horse, is a Black Prince on a white horse, witch symbolised his elevated position over whites. All this nonsense about the nobility not tanning, points to strange ideas about colour and race, after they defeated Black Superiority. The Blacks kept on sunning themselves, to heighten their colour: till 1848.
A mulatto
Another mulatto
Mulatto types
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The past is only relevant when it defines the future.
Be a mental farmer.
Plant a psychic seed, fertilize it, and watch it grow.
Brada, a TEAM is only as strong as it's weakest member. Remember that and make your selections accordingly.
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I was aware of him, but never saw him in action. a chapter labeled website, proofed to contain a whole scene with him in the lead. Now I understand why he is a star: such enthousiasm is seldom seen.
Like me he has his own lemma at wikipedia, presented as bi-racial and a 'vocal bottom.'
Lately I became much aware of mulattoes, looking at them at a recent African Festival in The Hague. Some scare me, especially if they are grown up and seem to have a position. What are they, politically speaking?
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[This woman cannot possibly be 38 years of age. No way. She must be older. With her income she can shower with Night Repair by Estee Lauder. They might give her it for free. She is not a mulatto, but a mulatto type. Black and coloured husbands, no? Obama is a mulatto, identifies as Black.]
[quote] 5.53 PM Thursday, 12 July 2012
Vanessa Williams reveals racist death threats By AP Published Monday, January 31, 2011 Actress Vanessa Williams has revealed she was bombarded with death threats from racists after she became the first black woman to be crowned Miss America.
The actress has been delving into her ancestral past as part of the US version of British genealogy show Who Do You Think You Are?, and has discovered two of her great-great-grandfathers battled to have slavery abolished.
On the show she breaks down as she finds out about her relatives' fight for equality, and remembers how her own father warned her she would have to work harder than anyone else because of her skin colour.
And following the revelation of her forefathers' campaign against racism, she opens up about her own experiences at the hands of bigots when she was crowned the first black Miss America when she was 20-years-old.
"There were race-hate messages and even death threats to me and my family," she says.
"The cruelest things were said. There was a very angry minority who felt that, simply by being black, I had tarnished the Miss America crown. It rocked me to my core."
quote:Are you typezeiss? You are covering in your hypothesis many centuries: this I regard as a sweeping statement. You sound like Mike111, who uses an image to represent ages of history. Quite primitive.
Off course I am not TypeZeiss I don't do multiple avatars nor I am in the habit of having a conversation with myself as I am not lonely,drunk or crazy!! Oh I forgot yesterday was 420 in your neck of the woods so you probably had a great smoke out but you shouldn't post when you are high or on the rag
And I still don't know what the heck you are on about. Btw please kiss N make up with Mike keep the team tight.
Egmond is quite boring.
He uses the Homo angle to bring the illusion of excitement to his otherwise boring life.
His minor research, How Europe Was Black, is a plea for acceptance to his fellow Albino Europeans. He wants respect while he is ass raised. Boring and trivial stuff. I see absolutely no worth in a sad case like him. As anyone can see, his knowledge base and agenda are very narrow, self-serving and limited in scope. Why waste your time with this loser.
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I hope somebody bumps you off very soon. What you say is what you are. You are telling us who and what you are. No need to go into my threads, they are clearly marked as by Egmond Codfried: if you do not like my research. You do not control the world, and all the world understands you are a sicko. What is your contribution to the world? You have a little power by the ability to post trash and you abuse this. I see no sign of any merit, or any signs of greatness, or you doing anything worthwhile. You are anonymous trash, a grey little mouse asking to be crushed. You try to be somebody by bringing down a somebody who has a name. You will not succeed because you do not matter. You do not have it to be somebody, just endless repeating things others have created. You do not do research, you have not invented anything, you are pushing the Blacks as victim model. You are pushing mental slavery. I have a museum, it might not be much, but it's a statement. Blacks have progressed to having a blue blood museum, not presenting Blacks as slaves and victims, but as Kings. If I wanted to cosy up to whites, this research, and this museum would be the last thing to do, knowing how they freak out at the very idea of Black Kings ruling whites. You are so stupid and worthless s hit: but hey, this you have figured out already. You cannot stop me, there are important persons who better understand what I'm about because they have succeeded at what they are doing. You are a failure, and you prove this everyday.
Hard to tell a mulatto from a light skinned Black, who are mulatto types, but technically not mulattoes. A mulattotype is raised in a black environment; a mulatto can be raised by whites. If they marry a white, I consider them white identified.
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Hard to tell a mulatto from a light skinned Black, who are mulatto types, but technically not mulattoes. A mulattotype is raised in a black environment; a mulatto can be raised by whites. If they marry a white, I consider them white identified.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: I hope somebody bumps you off very soon. You are pushing mental slavery. I have a museum, it might not be much, but it's a statement. Blacks have progressed to having a blue blood museum, not presenting Blacks as slaves and victims, but as Kings.
Be a MAN, fag! You can bet your torn splinter, If there is any "bumping off" being done, I'm the one that's doing it. That is, what MEN do, while fags are in the closet trying on scarves and shoes. People like you are dispensable and easily replaceable. You have very little value in the areas needed for blacks to overcome our enemies.
Mental slavery? By definition, that is when you are stuck doing abnormal behaviors, and embracing unnatural things by compulsion. Where you have no control and respond to psychic suggestion. Ring a bell in that twisted head of yours?
Fool, you don't have a museum. No body believes your lies. You are worst than Lionese. Every Black Baptist church in America tells their zombie black audience that they were King/Queens in Africa. This is BS. Not everyone were Kings/Queens. Like you, they have no real qualifications. It's just "feel-good" BS with no real merit.
Yeah, you want nothing more than to be "cozy" with Albinos. You idolize them, and support them in anyway you can. That's what fags do.
Why did you start this thread? Are you equating white hate with their rejecting you sexually? Likely. Perhaps you are confusing HATE with DISGUST.
Whites don't HATE black people. They FEAR us. Hate is just a side effect to FEAR. Of course, no one FEARS fags. They are non-threatening and easily distracted by pretty trinkets, and ruffly clothing. Posts: 4693 | From: Saturn | Registered: Apr 2012
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This is so strange, a perfect stranger taking all this personal interest in me. What do you care what I do? You are pushing the Blacks-as-slaves-line, which have been succesful for some Blacks. But detrimental to all Blacks. They are ex-slaves and need to be compensated: so they sit and wait, wailing. You do not understand scientific research, you do not understand synthesising information: you only understand what the whites tell you to believe, what a Black person should be, what a man should be. Look at the Wodaabe: are they less men because they paint up? o fu cking narrowminded. Hysterical about fashions, while Blacks invented fashion, whites still copy Blacks. I have a museum, very small scale, but it can grow, and a museum is more an idea than just a place. The name of the museum alone will teach people about another way of looking at things. I do not expect to have an impact with whites, they are preparing a holocaust anyway. But there is hope for Blacks and mainly my Surinam. If you care for Blacks why do you foment infighting, why are you bothering me. Do I prevent you from posting your trash? Instead of waiting for others to give me a posuition, I created my own. Why would you preach hostility against me? You seem to have turned lesbians: is this all you are good for?
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^ By sure, my interest in you is anything but personal. Your type is an epidemic. Like a virus or parasite that needs to be eradicated for the general health of the body. Here in America, black churches are breeding worthless fags like maggots, and we all see the results. We can't afford your lifestyle, or your infecting other young black men with your disease. To accept your lifestyle is to play exactly into the hands of the enemy. They know that homos are no threat, so they promote this lifestyle to cripple young black men. You have fallen for white tricks. I do not.
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Why are you trying to tell me what to do? Where does the need comes from to control me? How do you feel you as a perfect stranger, not providing me with anything can even think of controlling my actions. The society which owns the house I rent have given me their consent. They are the only ones who could mess up my plans, they have the means and the power, but they did not. So what is your problem? You have no fucking say in the goddam matter, so you are a sicko to believe you have. Abusing me will never stop me: I have heard all the abuse there is in the world. You can abuse, but there is no purpose, as you have no effect on me. You are like a dogturd at the bottom of my shoe. You are worthless, demented ****. At least I have a growing folowing on the web, my stuff is at The Shomburg, people mention me on the Berkeley University site. Who follows you? Who talks about you on the web?
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