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^ Oh noo! To the anguished one, the Holocaust and any millions or so Jews whatever the exact number never happened and was all a lie concocted by the 'Elders of Zion'. LMAO Oh and Israel is an apartheid state. Posts: 26318 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: No facts, no evidence.
Your dismissed. <snap>
Folks, obviously my posting of hard facts has left the creature above mentally anquished.
LOOOOOOOOOOL! : )
this must apply to you you put up a pdf link that has no hard data, no numbers, no records so stop the bullshyt
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Asian American studies will show that there has been a long and varied Asian American history that is imperative to understanding how the US views Asians now. We will start at the very beginning of the Asian American studies in order to help you understand the Asian American history we are discussing. The first Asian Americans were in Manilla, a village that was taken over by the USA. The first Asian Americans were also in Mexico rather than the US. It was not until the 1750's that the Asian American truly began on US soil. During the 1750's Filipino sailors began to come from their native land and stop in the Louisiana territory. Then in the 1840's there was a need for more slaves. Since Africa wasn't offering as many slaves as they did at the beginning, many began to bring over Asians to fill the gap. Thus the start of the Asian American studies and therefore Asian American history shows that slavery was a key part to their past on US soil.
The surprisingly-optimistic findings derived from the recent research regarding Caribbean plantation slavery, however, have found their corollary in the new findings regarding labour migration from Asia during the nineteenth century.
Indians were first brought to the Caribbean from the mid-1840s to work on white-owned sugar plantations as indentured labour to replace newly freed African slaves. The majority of immigrants were young men; later disturbances on the plantations forced the authorities to try and correct the imbalance.
Etc...
Indians first came to Suriname after the abolition of slavery in 1863. The Dutch had established control over the coastal areas in the years after 1667 and attempted to establish a plantation economy by the importation of African slaves. The Africans suffered greatly under slavery and many fled into the jungles of the interior. After slavery was abolished there was an agreement between the UK and the Netherlands for the importation of sub-continental Indians as contract labourers; 34,300 came in the years between 1873 and 1916.
In any case many former slaves refused to work on the estates which had been the site of their servitude, and it was obvious that a more reliable source of labour was needed. From 1845 onwards, hundreds of thousands of indentured immigrants from India arrived at the request of the planters in the British colonies - Trinidad, Jamaica, Grenada, Guyana and St. Vincent.
When Britain decided to emancipate the slaves, they did so in a round about way. They wanted to assure the planters of labor, after emancipation, so they created an apprenticeship system, where slaves older than six years of age were "‘entitled to be registered as apprenticed labourers and to acquire thereby all rights and privileges of freedom.’ In return for food, clothing and lodging, but without wages, they were to work for their former owners three-fourths of the day…" This apprenticeship was a quasi-slavery system designed to keep the slaves on the plantation, but give them their "freedom". Over 7,000 East Indians immigrated to the West Indies before 1841. In 1850 Chinese immigration occurred, mainly in Guyana, but some went to both Jamaica and Trinidad. Indentured labor did not resolve the problems of the plantations and the local governments in the Caribbean during the nineteenth century, but it enabled the sugar plantations to weather the difficulties of the transition from slave labor.
After the abolition of slavery, East Indians were brought under a new form of slavery called the “indenture system” to rescue the sugar industry. The fact that the sugar industry is still a highly successful and viable industry in Guyana to this day, and the major foreign exchange earner in the country, is a testimony to how well they attained that goal.
for every 9000 slaves transported to America one was an Arab from North Africa
As I said, it could have been that so every now and then someone non African slipped in. That doesn't make it a slave trade amongst such population.
And even "those Arabs they speak of, may have been black".
Odd is that there aren't any traces of what that source claims.
But we do know that a lot of people were taken from Senegal And Nigeria for example. Both have large Muslim populations...so there are many.....
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PS. People, isn't it astonishing how hard up this character is for slaves to be his fantasy "sub-saharan blacks whom "he" deems as negroes"? It's like his psychological well being depends on it.
What is your ethnicity Ish Gebor?
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^ And what would an inbred Scottish degenerate want to know about African slave phenotype?? Why is one so obsessed with African Americans in the first place?? Posts: 26318 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ And what would an inbred Scottish degenerate want to know about African slave phenotype?? Why is one so obsessed with African Americans in the first place??
If it's good enough for a Filipino to be obsessed with Africa and "blackness" why can't a Scotsman?
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Ish Gebor, you're done.
You're beatdown.
You're thrashed.
I've proven my case.
PS. People, isn't it astonishing how hard up this character is for slaves to be his fantasy "sub-saharan black who "he" deems as negro"? It's like his psychological well being depends on it.
What is your ethnicity Ish Gebor?
In case you don't understand, but the opposite happened!
I have shown multiple sources, stating that other groups came after the Trans Atlanic Slave Trade was abolished. You are the one who can't and refuses to see this. You rather go by fantasies and a hoax!
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Your arguments have been destroyed with historical facts and now you want to scream like a child saying "It ain't so!!!", "It ain't so!!!". Keep living in your childish fantasy dreamworld.
Folks, the intellectual thrashing and scholarly beatdown in this thread have been brought to you by Argyle.
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Do you believe like Ish Gebor, that there was a phenotype for slaves?
no, if you look at slavery throughout the history of the world it covers a great many phenotypes
I don't think anybody here would disagree with that
I was under the assumption we were talking about the trans Atlantic slave trade. I already posted info on slavery amongst Europeans. So I have never claimed that Africans solely have been enslaved. But the trans Atlantic slave trade was just that. All other attempts as we see here are just false and a hoax.
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Your arguments have been destroyed with historical facts and now you want to scream like a child saying "It ain't so!!!", "It ain't so!!!". Keep living in your childish fantasy dreamworld.
Folks, the intellectual thrashing and scholarly beatdown in this thread have been brought to you by Argyle.
You have not shown historical facts. I have shown historical facts. But you ignore them and run from them, this is typical for you to do.
What you have shown is a hoax, without prove...merely assumptions!
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: LOOOOOOOL!!!!
Folks, the boy is now backtracking in defeat.
First of all I would like for you to respond to the link I have provided. As they speak of actual history of the Trans Atlantic Slave trade.
Second, let's say hypothetically that East Indians were enslaved during this time and brought over to the Americas. Than is still was around 95% Africans. Nowhere in the Caribbean and Latin American documents there is spoken of East Indians as slaves during the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. All the document refer to them as coming afterwards, after the abolishment. Why is that?
I did look up the online-DB and it speaks slaves and servants in several Acts.
Terms being used refering to slaves are Negro, Mulatto or Indian. Nowhere did I see East Indian.
The search engine goes from 1736- to 1776. And I did find a few persons, but it was not know whether they were a slave or a servant. As the law made a distinction between the two. No act speaks of East Indian. Only of Negro, Mulatto or Indian as in Native America. I assume. Mulattos were offspring of raped African women, by European men. So genealogy was known, from what I know and what these acts confirm they were considered servants or slaves as well. What is said about them is that they were house slaves.
Virginia Gazette (Parks), Williamsburg , September 15 to September 22, 1738.
RAN away on the 12th of this Instant, from the Plantation of the Hon. Philip Lightfoot, Esq; on Queen's Creek, near Williamsburg, a large, well made Mulatto slave, aged about 32, with long, bushy Hair, like an East-Indian's; speaks tolerable good English; but on a Surprize, stammers a little. Had on an old Felt Hat, a Canvas Shirt, a Cotton Jacket, and a Pair of Crocus Breeches. Whoever takes up said Slave, and brings him to the Plantation aforesaid, or gives Notice of him, so as he may be had again, shall be rewarded in Proportion to his Trouble, by Philip Lightfoot.
Reprint: Windley, vol. 1, p. 7, source, name, subscriber only.
Virginia Gazette (Parks), Williamsburg , From April 15 to April 27, 1737.
RAN away from Col. John Lewis's, in Gloucester County, on the 17th Inst. a square, strong made, [illeg.] jaw'd Mulatto Fellow, named George. He had on a brown Cotton jacket, and went away on a light Bay Horse, belonging to his Master, branded with a Heart. The Horse has a Black Mane and Tail. RAN away in Company with the above-mentioned, an East-Indian, belonging to Mr. Heylin, Merchant, in Gloucester : He is a well-made, small young Fellow, wore his own Hair (which he may have cut off in order to disguise himself:) He is supposed to have on an Olive-colour'd German Serge Coat, with Brass Buttons. He went away on a strong well-made Grey Stallion, branded with a Dott, belonging to his Master. They went from Col. Lewis's to Gloucester Town, where they robb'd a House, and took a Pair of Pistols, a Horse Whip, and 'tis supposed some other Things. They were seen on Monday going up King and Queen County. Whoever secures either of the fore-mentioned Servants, shall receive as a Reward, Two Pistoles ; for both of them, Four Pistoles, and for the Grey Stallion Two Pistoles; to be paid by John Lewis, and John Heylyn.
Reprint: not in Windley
Virginia Gazette (Parks), Williamsburg , From April 15 to April 27, 1737.
Williamsburg, April 22, 1737.
On Monday last about Two o'clock in the Morning, Mr. Heylin's House in Gloucester Town, was robb'd by an Indian servant of his, and a Mulatto Fellow belonging to Col. Lewis. They took away a Pair of Pistols, a Horse-Whip and broke open a Trunk, out of which they stole some Clothes. They were seen the same Day about Eleven o'clock, going up King and Queen. The Indian rode a Grey Stallion which he took belonging to his Master, and the Mulatto a Bay Horse, which belongs to Col. Lewis. They are supposed to be gone towards the Mountains, and from thence, either to New-York or North-Carolina. It is to be hoped that any Gentleman who meets with them will have them secured in order to their being brought to Justice, that others, by their Punishment, may be deterr'd from the like daring Insolence.
Reprint: not in Windley; repr. in Virginia Historical Register, vol. 6 (1853), pp. 94-95.
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Your arguments have been destroyed with historical facts and now you want to scream like a child saying "It ain't so!!!", "It ain't so!!!". Keep living in your childish fantasy dreamworld.
Folks, the intellectual thrashing and scholarly beatdown in this thread have been brought to you by Argyle.
Literature and narratives, such as a European traveler's account of Senegambia, an area of West Africa from which many slaves were taken, give another perspective and insite to slavery in the 18th and early 19th century
Early laws distinguished between slaves and servants as well as whites and blacks and included acts dealing with running away. Control of all laborers was the goal, but the trend was toward stricter control of African slaves, while the legal condition of servants slowly improved.
In the beginning these laws traced the differences between slave laborers and indentured servants, gradually distinguishing race as the most prominent feature.
Constitution counts slaves as only 3/5th persons The Constitution is adopted on September 17, 1787. Article 1 of the Constitution specifies that both the number of members of the House of Representatives from each state and the amount of direct taxes will depend on the number of citizens in each state. Members of the military were included in the count, but since slavery was still legal and common, at least in the South, and the issue was very much a dividing line among the framers, the framers agreed that slaves were not to be counted as full citizens. Known as the 3/5th compromise, Clause 3 of Article I, Section 2 counted slaves as 3/5 of a citizen for state representation. This discriminatory and inhumane provision was changed following the Civil War with the passage of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments that abolished slavery, guaranteed equal protection for all citizens against state actions and created voting rights. Since then, as specified by the Fourteenth Amendment, Section 2, all citizens, regardless of race, are fully included in the count.
Following the end of the fighting, on February 1, 1865, Congress passed the Thirteenth Amendment and forwarded it to the states. It was ratified on December 18, 1865. The Thirteenth Amendment was the first of three Reconstruction Era amendments (the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth) that eliminated slavery, guaranteed due process, equal protection and voting rights to all Americans.
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: LOOOOOOOL!!!!
Folks, the boy is now backtracking in defeat.
Why does the text not speak of Arabs. Turks, or East Indians, for that matter?
March 1660/1-ACT XXII. English running away with negroes.
BEE itt enacted That in case any English servant shall run away in company with any negroes who are incapable of makeing satisfaction by addition of time, Bee it enacted that the English so running away in company with them shall serve for the time of the said negroes absence as they are to do for their owne by a former act.
Bibliographic Information
Source: Hening, ed., The Statutes at Large, vol. 2,
...and in case any English servant shall run away in company of any negroes who are incapable of making satisfaction by addition of a time, it is enacted that the English soe running away in the company with them shall at the time of service to their owne masters expired, serve the masters of the said negroes for their absence soe ...and if the negroes be lost or dye in such time of their being run away, the christian servants in company with them shall by proportion among them, either pay fower thousand five hundred pounds of tobacco and caske or fower yeares service for every negroe soe lost or dead.
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: LOOOOOOOL!!!!
Folks, the boy is now backtracking in defeat.
Why was this Act implemented for AA and abolished for AA? Why doesn't it speak of East Indians etc...
COLUMBIA COMMEMORATES THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF BROWN V. BOARD OF EDUCATION
By James Vescovi and Rebecca Thomas
In 1950, the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated segregation in state law schools with the ruling in Sweatt v. Painter. While many U.S. law schools, including Columbia, had allowed black student enrollment decades earlier, state-imposed racial segregation in public and secondary schools was a fact of life in much of the nation.
That same year, the NAACP's Legal Defense and Educational Fund took on five seminal cases that would come to be known as the School Segregation cases and all of which have become known as Brown vs. Board of Education. This year marks the 50th anniversary of the 1954 decision that declared the doctrine of "separate but equal" unconstitutional, led to an expansion in educational, economic, and political opportunities for African-Americans, and altered the expectations of how the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution could change American social structure.
This special section highlights this landmark Supreme Court case, its historical connection to Columbia Law School, and describes a series of Law School events that commemorated the case, studied its effects, and addressed the future of race in America.
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: LOOOOOOOL!!!!
Folks, the boy is now backtracking in defeat.
Where were those groups you triumph with.....why did they not suffer under this Act?
Syllabus
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
347 U.S. 483
Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka
APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF KANSAS
No. 1. Argued: Argued December 9, 1952Reargued December 8, 1953 --- Decided: Decided May 17, 1954 Segregation of white and Negro children in the public schools of a State solely on the basis of race, pursuant to state laws permitting or requiring such segregation, denies to Negro children the equal protection of the laws guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment -- even though the physical facilities and other "tangible" factors of white and Negro schools may be equal. Pp. 486-496.(a) The history of the Fourteenth Amendment is inconclusive as to its intended effect on public education. Pp. 489-490.(b) The question presented in these cases must be determined not on the basis of conditions existing when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, but in the light of the full development of public education and its present place in American life throughout the Nation. Pp. 492-493.(c) Where a State has undertaken to provide an opportunity for an education in its public schools, such an opportunity is a right which must be made available to all on equal terms. P. 493.(d) Segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race deprives children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities, even though the physical facilities and other "tangible" factors may be equal. Pp. 493-494.(e) The "separate but equal" doctrine adopted in Plessy v. Ferguson, 163 U.S. 537, has no place in the field of public education. P. 495.(f) The cases are restored to the docket for further argument on specified questions relating to the forms of the decrees. Pp. 495-496.
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In other words, Arrogantly. Your little theory holds no water.
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Argyle = Angus; Scottish bull, has no horns ____________ in other words a witless cow
Angus has never got this much undeserved play his whole six years at ES than he has these past two weeks.
So why catapult a relatively ignored troller into the limelight by taking him so seriously?
Trust me, Angus has no readership here despite the way he uses "folks" and "people" to address this forum he has absolutely no fan base here.
Remember, after a while when an intelligent person continuously debates with a fool the distinction begins to blur as to who is who.
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The problem with Ish Gebor is he posts other peoples opinions and racial dogmas to support his own anti-certain Africans racial dogma and ideology.
I on the other hand have defeated him resoundly with undisputable historical facts.
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quote: Does the Jim Crow law also speak of Arabs, Turks and especially East Indians,....etc...? Maybe you can provide that info, since I am not aware this.
quote: Does the Jim Crow law also speak of Arabs, Turks and especially East Indians,....etc...? Maybe you can provide that info, since I am not aware this.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Oh noo! To the anguished one, the Holocaust and any millions or so Jews whatever the exact number never happened and was all a lie concocted by the 'Elders of Zion'. LMAO Oh and Israel is an apartheid state.
Bring one evidence of a gassed Jew.
The debate is always open Mary. You can have a try at it Mary. Maybe you'll be better at it than Ausarianstein. Posts: 4254 | From: dasein | Registered: Jun 2009
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Okay let's refrain from holocaust talk. This is a subject that has no purpose on Egyptsearch. This thread is also not intended for such talk so I ask every part involved to please stop.
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No purpose on Egyptsearch? But asking why "Sub-Sahara Africa never have a civilization" does? Come Ausar this is what we are talking about.
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You are correct but the holocaust discussion seems to bring out the worst in the posters here. I have nothing against discussing it but all civility spirals out of control and people cannot debate in a civil manner.
I am just trying to make sure everything is run smoothly.
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Ish Gebor wrote:
quote: Does the Jim Crow law also speak of Arabs, Turks and especially East Indians,....etc...? Maybe you can provide that info, since I am not aware this.
I didn't say anything about Jim Crow. My posts have simply proved to you that
1. There was no phenotype for slaves
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2. Slaves came from other places other than his fantasy "west" Africa (which he is afraid to define).
Your little flimsy Jim Crow website does not negate the historically documented facts I have posted.
Retard, I have shown that the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade was for African based solely. And that in the North of Amrica the JimCrow law and Brown vs the Board were an extension of slavery.
You have nothing but a small assumsion.
Plus there is a study indicating that those prints, indicating them as false, they do not hold the original sign of the East Indian Company. They were made by a small company at a later time. Other than that you have nothing to backup your claims.
Plus this "so called little website" is actually:
A new educator's site also sponsored by New York Life is now online. THE HISTORY OF THE SUPREME COURT site can be found at www.historyofsupremecourt.org. Created by a collaboration of classroom teachers, historians, and legal scholars, the site presents the history of America's highest court within a series of broad themes drawn from the social studies curriculum. Examples include 'The Court and Gender', 'The Court and Young People', and 'The Court Today', which tracks the present changing Court in real time and focuses on the issues now under consideration.
The series will air during the 2006-2007 broadcast season.
Encyclopedia: Structured around the thematic Historical Overview in the History section, teachers and students can find more information on terms, people, and events mentioned in the main text. This encyclopedia will continue to grow as more content is added.
National Park Service Online Teaching Resources: The National Park service offers many educational materials for teachers on the topic of Jim Crow. Our teachers have combed the NPS web site and have organized the Jim Crow related historic sites, lessons, and materials for easy access.
National Archives and Records Administration: The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) is an independent federal agency responsible for preserving and making available the permanently valuable records of the Federal government. The agency's 33 facilities hold about 21.5 million cubic feet of original textual materials--that's more than 5 billion pieces of paper from the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the federal government. The National Archives multimedia collections include nearly 300,000 reels of motion picture film, more than 15 million maps, charts, architectural drawings and aerial photographs, more than 200,000 sound and video recordings, nearly 14 million still pictures and posters, and over 100,000 electronic records files. Many of these records relate to the history of Jim Crow.
I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has noticed this, so I will ask on everyone's behalf.
Do you get a hard-on off the thought of "Negro" suffering? It certainly seems as such.
You are brave to write shiit behind your lil' computer.
Plus, you have shown people that you are close to retarded.
This is why you haven't backed up any of your claims, other than assumptions and false claims....it all simply doesn't exist, that's why!
And all of your claims have been whipped away. By valid sources.
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