quote:Originally posted by Whatbox: So is Europe really as raped up the butthole by Jews as so many of you (Easterners, Conservatives) like to complain?
If so then what's the point in complaigning? It's over, done deal.
huh? jeeves, i'm still not getting you.
How did Germany not start WWII? Even if not, Third Reich Philosophy & aggressor behavior (in invading Poland, etc) were certainly cause enough that they needed to be stopped, wouldn't you say?
And why would someone from the U.K. such as yourself even be a German sympathizer, and what's your point in listing Jewish admirers of Hitler?
Many Europeans (especially Eastern ones, and conservative ones) claim that with the destruction of Nazi Germany (whom they say was under a Nationalsocialist) according to their perception came the loss of European nationalism with the introduction of modern multiculturalism.
Obviously Europe is still doing well ecomonically at a global level, and today some are even suspicious that Germany may try to gain clout again only economically in taking advantage of the Greece situation (alleviating it). But Euros say the sense of pride and native/ethnic national identity seems to be gone (mainly the Eastern [not South Eastern] nationals speaking of wealthier more modern and more "Western" Westward areas).
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^^Osiron, your emptiness is boundless!
The only scientific definition of race is common ancestry. Most whites have a common ancestor within the last 15K years. But Black common ancestry with each other may be separated by 90K years.
Many Blacks are actually closer to Europeans than to other Africans. Bantu is likely closer to Greek than to Khosian.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^^Osiron, your emptiness is boundless!
The only scientific definition of race is common ancestry. Most whites have a common ancestor within the last 15K years. But Black common ancestry with each other may be separated by 90K years.
Many Blacks are actually closer to Europeans than to other Africans. Bantu is likely closer to Greek than to Khosian.
Race is defined as distinct populations identified by heritable morphological and phenotypic traits, they are also genetically divergent. So race is a biological reality.
Everyone knows a Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid are not the same.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^^Osiron, your emptiness is boundless!
The only scientific definition of race is common ancestry. Most whites have a common ancestor within the last 15K years. But Black common ancestry with each other may be separated by 90K years.
Many Blacks are actually closer to Europeans than to other Africans. Bantu is likely closer to Greek than to Khosian.
Race is defined as distinct populations identified by heritable morphological and phenotypic traits, they are also genetically divergent. So race is a biological reality.
Everyone knows a Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid are not the same.
How long have you been here and you still shoving that Shat down your throat?
Its real simple - Convergent evolution!
Convergent evolution describes the acquisition of the same biological trait in unrelated lineages.
^ now read the above carefully. What this means is that you can have the same gene expressive traits and NOT BE RELATED!
Are you trying to say that race is simply looking similar even though you are not related? That is not what people mean by race at all.
Race is having a common lineage. All other interpretations have been debunked.
There are only clines and no real races other than lineages. Your idea of race is a social construct to divide people up based on adaptive traits and class. This social construct can change based on politics. This is why if you go to different locations in the world the idea of Black changes. For example, in modern day Egypt the concept of Black is actually far more open than it is in America depending on the class making the observation.
Like I said before - Black is a political definition of people. It is effectively a class based on identifiable biological features that do not necessarily imply race.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: What does that have to do with what I am saying? From what I can tell, the Black Africans basically run a busines of extorting money from Western nations similar to the way North Korea does but on a different level.
You wondered why blacks are not racially conscious, and i explained its because blacks don't want to preserve their race since they have no pride in their heritage or phenotypic features.
Whites in contrast want to preserve their race.
This is why you will find white seperatist or white nationalist websites all over the net. Stormfront has hundreds of thousands of members.
Blacks however do not advocate black seperatism as they are obsessed with mixing with whites, they crave to pollute our genepool because they hate their own race. [/QB]
You are confusing politics and sex. Racism is a type of politics and sex is something completely different. Sexual selection will always be an average games when the environment is not the main player. The prefered features are an average of features available in a population. This is why Whites tan themselves and curl their hair. It is simply a scientific fact that populations seek a genetic equilibrium in terms of sexual selection when there is no environmental reason to do other wise. There is also cultural ideals such was ideas of what is feminine verses masculine.
For example: White men seem to have a preference for Oriental women which competely debunks your idea of phenotype preservation. White women do not prefer Oriental men but rather Black men. This all fits with cultural and innate ideas of masculine and feminine. Light skin will always be a preference of Men of any society when it comes to women. Anywhere in the world you go there is a cultural expression of feminine being light skinned. Egypt, India, China, South America, West Africa, etc. Same world over - light skinned Women are preferred over dark. That is likely innate in the same sense that men prefer shorter women over tall, younger over older, shapely over plain, healthy over obese. Probably lighter skin appeals to a subconscious idea of virginity, innocence, and submission. And of course what I am saying is generalized since we know when it comes to sex that are a lot of fetishes and deviance.
White men's preference for orientals is also likely due to Oriental women having a more feminine cultural expression. Certainly nothing to do with preserving so called White phenotype since Orieantals are on the average more Negroid in appearance than East African Blacks and many West African central Blacks. There are a lot of African Americans that appear more White than Orientals in terms of facial features.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Convergent evolution describes the acquisition of the same biological trait in unrelated lineages.
Convergent evolution is rare. The fact is most phenotypic traits in races are distinct. Negroids share very few traits in common with Caucasoids or Mongoloids.
quote:Race is having a common lineage. All other interpretations have been debunked.
And through that common linage you aquire distinct morphological and phenotypic characteristics, as well as differences in behaviour and mentalism. No races think the same, they have different IQ's etc. The diversity of culture around the world is a product of race.
quote:There are only clines and no real races other than lineages. Your idea of race is a social construct to divide people up based on adaptive traits and class. This social construct can change based on politics. This is why if you go to different locations in the world the idea of Black changes. For example, in modern day Egypt the concept of Black is actually far more open than it is in America depending on the class making the observation.
Race is a biological fact not a social invention. Different races have different mental attributes and behaviour. We know also know that certian races can only take certain drugs or medicine.
On the reality of race, especially the genetic difference read below -
The only people who deny race exists are the minority who have a political agenda (multiracialists, communists, far-left etc).
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Answer this simple question and think it through carefully. Can children be born of the same parents and be of different races under your definition? If yes then your definition has been debunked.
As for Convergent evolution, it is very common in discussions of people around the world.
Melanesian, Veddoid, and the Bantu Black Africans.
Europeans and the Ainu.
There are many genetically distinct groups of humans that have the same adaptive traits due to living in similar conditions.
It is not rare at all because you are talking about superficial adaptations. Now there are adaptations that are not superficial which makes these distinct groups very much different.
You are from the organic culture school I see and probably believe very much in regional evolution.
Obviously there's a connection between evolution and culture. Entirely more complex than simply organic culture though.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Answer this simple question and think it through carefully. Can children be born of the same parents and be of different races under your definition? If yes then your definition has been debunked.
The answer is clearly no. Children inherit their parents phenotypic features, they are the same race.
quote:As for Convergent evolution, it is very common in discussions of people around the world.
Convergent evolution is rare. I'll give you two examples - Australoids and Caucasoids have heavy growth of hair, while Capoids and Mongoloids (East Asians) have epicanthic folds. All these races however are not closely related.
quote:Melanesian, Veddoid, and the Bantu Black Africans.
All are different races. Bantu black africans look nothing like Veddoids.
quote:Europeans and the Ainu.
The origins of the Ainu are debated, but they are probably a Caucasoid-Australoid mix.
quote:There are many genetically distinct groups of humans that have the same adaptive traits due to living in similar conditions.
They still have major differences. No races are identical to each other despite convergent evolution.
5 races -
Negroid Australoid Mongoloid Capoid Caucasoid
The Afronuts however only have 2 races -
Black White
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^ I just assume you are being stubborn here and pretending that you have not heard of White couples having Black babies and vice versa. As for Veddoid not looking like Bantu, again you are more interested in debating than an intellectual discussion.
Discrete racial concepts are very boring to me being a computer scientist because I am quite aware of the clinal nature of adaptive traits as well as simulation done on human evolution.
Another question for you - where does Caucasoid stop and Negroid begin?
How about Veddoid and Negroid. Where does it stop? Is it the hair? Does it even matter when race only becomes a factor in politics which defines race totally different than oids?
I can go on with this line of argument but I think you have been down this road.
Fact is rather plain obvious. There are many unrelated peoples in this world that appear to belong to a particular race BUT ARE NOT RELATED TO OTHERS OF THAT RACE AT ALL.
You missed an interesting discussion on the Melanesians:
Convergent evolution?
As for the Ainu - no genetic evidence of any Indo-European genes but rather something far more interesting. The Ainu are related to the Negrito people and are essentially Melanesians that have adapted to colder weather.
You know this to be true because GENETICS says so and you have been told about this.
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The offspring of West African soldiers and Fanco_German women joined the Nationalist Socialist Party in Germany. They were allowed low level posts and judged by the degree of Whiteness/Germanness they posessed. When the war was over they were punished under the Nurembeurg Laws. They were the Black Nazis.
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How are German people gentically racist?? What a dullard you are..
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
German people are genetically racist and have to go through a lot of social engineering not to act out on there inherit condition; however, the question remains if Hitler was even German. My only argument is that Hitler may have known his own roots. Other than that, Black Nazis are like House slaves that would die for the master. Obviously a lot of mental illness.
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I've heard, from folks of Euro descet even, that the culture their is more of a closed culture leading to views on stuff that can be very cartesian.
I've heard though addressing the specific topic of racism from random blacks that they've met folks who were the most non-racist folks they've met happening to be German.
quote:Originally posted by Whatbox: [QB] I've heard, from folks of Euro descet even, that the culture their is more of a closed culture leading to views on stuff that can be very cartesian.
The whole of Europe has a mass immigration problem however Germany has a problem in particular with Turkey.
There are millions of Turkish immigrants in Germany and there are now 'no go' areas for the indigenous Germans. Basically their country is being taken over hence quite rightly some have come to hold right wing views in trying to preserve their culture and race.
ARTICLE:
The Ethnic Cleansing of Europe: “We Are the Last 3 German Children in Our School.”
There are now only three German children left in the Jens-Nydahl-Grundschule in Kreuzberg, Berlin—a shocking demonstration of how Europe is being ethnically cleansed by Third World immigration.
A story in the latest Bild magazine on the development was headlined:
“We are the last 3 German children in our German school. The rest are Muslims.”
Kreuzberg in Berlin has long been a destination for Turkish immigration into the German capital, and now the inevitable point has been reached where Germans have been ethnically cleansed from that part of the city.
In the playground Talina (11), Svenja (11) and Jason (9) can’t understand a word. Because, here, their classmates only speak Turkish and Arabic, the Bild article continued.
Here 99 percent of the 313 pupils have an immigrant (Muslim) background. For 285 of those, the parents receive financial support from the state.
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Even the mainstream now recognizes that Black volunteered for Hitler.
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But wait. If we are not yet ready to confront the black Africans' sacrifice for us, do we dare – like the Franco-Ivorian journalist Serge Bilé in his new book Sombres Bourreaux ("Dark Executioners") – investigate the lives of those black soldiers who chose to fight for Hitler? For yes, incredibly, the Nazis let a few serve in the Légion des Volontaires Français. One was Norbert Désirée, a Guadeloupe docker who wanted to fight Bolshevism in opposition to his communist fellow countrymen who were demanding independence for their island. Then there was Louis-Joachim Eugène, also from Guadeloupe, who found German racism less painful than that of his fellow Frenchmen.
And the Cameroonian Werner Egiomue who loved Hitler but whose black skin created a scandal in the German High Command. Ahmed Fall from Senegal was used as a propagandist by the German army. How could these men – old enough to be our grandfathers – have collaborated with Vichy or the Nazis, asks Malika Groga-Bada, a journalist for Jeune Afrique, originally from the Ivory Coast. "Patriotism? A desire to be recognised?" Unforgivable, of course. But history is cruel and there is plenty of rusting barbed wire beneath the snow. http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-frances-shamefully-forgotten-allies-6283364.html Whatever their motives the fact of Black Nazis,as I've been trying to point out is indisputable.This forces a complete reexamination of Hitler,the Nazis and the causes of the World war2. At the very least I hope it ends once and for all the holohoax fairy tales.
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quote:Whatever their motives the fact of Black Nazis,as I've been trying to point out is indisputable.This forces a complete reexamination of Hitler,the Nazis and the causes of the World war2. At the very least I hope it ends once and for all the holohoax fairy tales.
The Nazis also had attatched Waffen SS units composed of Bosnian Muslims, Indian Sikhs, Jews etc. This doesn't mean they regarded those peoples as Aryan or considered them equals.
Blacks in Nazi Germany were considered untermensch (sub-human) and inferior.
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