quote:Originally posted by KoKaKoLa: you forget to indicate that the Purple color=Cushitic. Clown.
This chart is not the end all in determining this particular individual's ancestry. Many Beja claim Arab lineage. Above the purple indicates African ancestry and the blue indicates non-African ancestry.
Tishkoff:
Beja Banuamir
Cushitic 51.4% European 31.7% Chadic 4.3% Niger-Congo 4.5% Nilo-Saharan 1.7% Indian 3.0% East Asian 1.0% Sandawe 0.9% Fulani 0.4% W. Pygmy 0.3% Hadza 0.3% American 0.2% Khoisan 0.2% Oceania 0.1%
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how is it possible for him to have significant non-African ancestry when he is heavily pigmented and has tropically adapted limbs like other Africans?
And lack other affinities such as body hair?
All of this makes it even more mysterious, knowing they've lived isolated for a long time at that location. Separate from each other as Beja sub-groups. Have strong family and tribal bonds and awareness of cultural heritage. And have lived in hot dry land, with high mountains for thousands of years, mostly uneasy to excess for outsiders?
Therefore certain questions start to arise?
However, it's funny every time we find a group to relate to AE, or anyother civilization, all of a sudden they have heavily Eurasian or even European input?
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quote:Originally posted by KoKaKoLa: you forget to indicate that the Purple color=Cushitic. Clown.
This chart is not the end all in determining this particular individual's ancestry. Many Beja claim Arab lineage. Above the purple indicates African ancestry and the blue indicates non-African ancestry.
Tishkoff:
Beja Banuamir
Cushitic 51.4% European 31.7% Chadic 4.3% Niger-Congo 4.5% Nilo-Saharan 1.7% Indian 3.0% East Asian 1.0% Sandawe 0.9% Fulani 0.4% W. Pygmy 0.3% Hadza 0.3% American 0.2% Khoisan 0.2% Oceania 0.1%
1). What is the name of this particular study, where can this summation be found?
2). What is meant by European? (while other Africans are split up, as usually. lol)
3). How did these Europeans ended up in the hot dry dessert and slopes of that region, which is hard to excess, for foreigners?
4). Where is the Arabic cluster group? And if so, which Arabs are we speaking of here?
5). How did Indians and Oceanias windup in the overall composition of the Beja who always have lived in the same region for the last 25.000 years. In a large terrain which is not easy to excess for outsiders. And the territory they always defended. (from, common sub groups in the region).
5). What method was used to come to these conclusions? If truly so? lol
Throwing in a few numbers here and there is not going to so it, this is not how population-genetics works, we have to go to the very bottom of this. You know the nitty gritty.
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1). From where did these Arab tribes come, who were these Arabs?
2). What is their history and what did and do they look like?
3). How large was the Arabic group when they arrived in the slopes and dessert of the Beja territory. Which they always have defended.
My analogy,
There is indeed a history of Southern darkskinned Arabic tribes intermarriage with people from the Horn, going back around 1.500 years, however from what is told they were the same people, similar in looks and cultural patterns. We know about the history of the Southern Arabic populations. This is common and well known history, not just oral tradition. This part includes some of the Beja members too. And this is what makes your theory problematic, and almost a false testimony.
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
The Arab tribes among the Beja in Northern Sudan were in part and in full mainly the descendants of bedouin tribes of Sulaym, Hilal, Ghatafan and Rabi’a of the Qays Ailan who began emigrating from Central Arabia and the northern Hejaz or western Arabia into Egypt as early as the 9th c. A.D. and continued their immigration as late as a few centuries ago. These clans of the Qays were all related and also notoriously “black” and near black in color in writings of Syrians, Iraqis and other Arab influenced people. They are well-known for possessing Greco-Roman concubines in Arabia before entering Africa. Leaving Arabia they conquered Egypt and North Africa and also moved southward into Sudan, Chad and Eritrea. (This was long before the influx of later Syrians, Turks, Bosnians and others into Egypt later in the Islamic period.)
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The Bejas were probably slaves. You know the akin.lol
Even though the limb portions have remained the same gradually, as the ancients did. The hair texture has remained the same as the ancients did... And many other affinities... etc...
However, the body hair trait of Eurasians and Europeans remains unexplained and a mystery. This one is very problematic.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: how is it possible for him to have significant non-African ancestry when he is heavily pigmented and has tropically adapted limbs like other Africans?
And lack other affinities such as body hair?
Desert nomadic descent Arabians do not have much body hair. Only northern Middle Easterners like Georgians, Turks, and Iranians do.
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The Arab tribes among the Beja in Northern Sudan were in part and in full mainly the descendants of bedouin tribes of Sulaym, Hilal, Ghatafan and Rabi’a of the Qays Ailan who began emigrating from Central Arabia and the northern Hejaz or western Arabia into Egypt as early as the 9th c. A.D. and continued their immigration as late as a few centuries ago. These clans of the Qays were all related and also notoriously “black” and near black in color in writings of Syrians, Iraqis and other Arab influenced people. They are well-known for possessing Greco-Roman concubines in Arabia >before entering Africa. Leaving Arabia they conquered Egypt and North Africa and also moved southward into Sudan, Chad and Eritrea. (This was long before the influx of later Syrians, Turks, Bosnians and others into Egypt later in the Islamic period.)
yes, some Beja get their hair type from Arabia and Greece thank you
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: how is it possible for him to have significant non-African ancestry when he is heavily pigmented and has tropically adapted limbs like other Africans?
And lack other affinities such as body hair?
Desert nomadic descent Arabians do not have much body hair. Only northern Middle Easterners like Georgians, Turks, and Iranians do.
Had you payed attention to what I wrote, you would have known what I have stated before.
Early populations in the Middle East either came from the South or from the North. Northern populations are only recently in the Levant. Meseoletic and Neoletic populations from the Levant came out of the Sahara and Sahel (Chad and even Congo-region). I believe lot of Arabs nowadays are intermediate.
During those days Northern populations were certainly hairy and have remained this trait. Its not some secret.
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The Arab tribes among the Beja in Northern Sudan were in part and in full mainly the descendants of bedouin tribes of Sulaym, Hilal, Ghatafan and Rabi’a of the Qays Ailan who began emigrating from Central Arabia and the northern Hejaz or western Arabia into Egypt as early as the 9th c. A.D. and continued their immigration as late as a few centuries ago. These clans of the Qays were all related and also notoriously “black” and near black in color in writings of Syrians, Iraqis and other Arab influenced people. They are well-known for possessing Greco-Roman concubines in Arabia >before entering Africa. Leaving Arabia they conquered Egypt and North Africa and also moved southward into Sudan, Chad and Eritrea. (This was long before the influx of later Syrians, Turks, Bosnians and others into Egypt later in the Islamic period.)
yes, some Beja get their hair type from Arabia and Greece thank you
Mathilda,
Perhaps your senile brain is doing you again. Because nowhere is it stated or being proven that their hair is from foreigner input.
However, what is being proven is that the Beja intermarried a people from the Arabian Pinusulla who were similair to them in looks. "This doesn't mean that Beja didn't already posses this hair trait."
Certainly considering the fact that these traits go back to Neoletic times.
Let me recap, for your slow mind. As ussual the eurocentric trash doesn't feel like elaborating or answering any questions. But mere rant on. This behavior is typical within eurocetrics. They don't want to be questioned, they want all just to follow their rubbish without reasoning. This is what Mathilda is good at.
1). What is the name of this particular study, where can this summation be found?
2). What is meant by European? (while other Africans are split up, as usually. lol)
3). How did these Europeans ended up in the hot dry dessert and slopes of that region, which is hard to access, for foreigners?
4). Where is the Arabic cluster group? And if so, which Arabs are we speaking of here?
5). How did Indians and Oceanias or even your Europeans windup in the overall composition of the Beja who always have lived in the same region for the last 25.000 years. In a large terrain which is not easy to access for outsiders. And the territory they always defended. (from, common sub groups in the region).
6). What method was used to come to these conclusions? If truly so? lol
Throwing in a few numbers here and there is not going to so it, this is not how population-genetics works, we have to go to the very bottom of this.
7). From where did these Arab tribes come, who were these Arabs?
8). What is their history and what did and do they look like?
9). How large was the Arabic group when they arrived in the slopes and dessert of the Beja territory. Which they always have defended.
My analogy,
There is indeed a history of Southern darkskinned Arabic tribes intermarriage with people from the Horn, going back around 1.500 years, however from what is told they were the same people, similar in looks and cultural patterns. We know about the history of the Southern Arabic populations. This is common and well known history, not just oral tradition. This part includes some of the Beja members too. And this is what makes your theory problematic, and almost a false testimony.
I wonder, do you understand any of the above?
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quote:Originally posted by the lyinass: ^^Troll Patty you gonna take that?
You dont even know who you're quoting.. A dumb bitch for sure!
of course I do I quoted Troll Patty who quoted dana
you ignorant dirtbag
Mathilda,
What Kokakola means it the chart you've quoted. It was quoted by your nazi friend the "castrated one". This is who she was referring to.
And of course you've quoted me out of context. This is a very typical way of being, within you. Misquoting people even lying and not responding to questions addressed. This is the psychoanalysis on you Mathilda.
One can only wonder why you didn't respond to any of the questions I proposed.
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quote:Originally posted by the lyinass: ^^Troll Patty you gonna take that?
You dont even know who you're quoting.. A dumb bitch for sure!
of course I do I quoted Troll Patty who quoted dana
you ignorant dirtbag
Mathilda,
What Kokakola means it the chart you've quoted. It was quoted by your nazi friend the "castrated one". This is who she was referring to.
And of course you've quoted me out of context. This is a very typical way of being, within you. Misquoting people even lying and not responding to questions addressed. This is the psychoanalysis on you Mathilda.
One can only wonder why you didn't respond to any of the questions I proposed.
The Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans
Sarah A. Tishkoff1,2,*, Floyd A. Reed1,†‡, Françoise R. Friedlaender3,‡, Christopher Ehret4, Alessia Ranciaro1,2,5,§, Alain Froment6,§, Jibril B. Hirbo1,2, Agnes A. Awomoyi1,||, Jean-Marie Bodo7, Ogobara Doumbo8, Muntaser Ibrahim9, Abdalla T. Juma9, Maritha J. Kotze10, Godfrey Lema11, Jason H. Moore12, Holly Mortensen1,¶, Thomas B. Nyambo11, Sabah A. Omar13, Kweli Powell1,#, Gideon S. Pretorius14, Michael W. Smith15, Mahamadou A. Thera8, Charles Wambebe16, James L. Weber17 and Scott M. Williams18 ______________________________________________
This is the largest study to date of African genetic diversity in the nuclear genome," is respected and discussed at length in numerous threads on Egyptsearch
You must be new here
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how is it possible for him to have significant non-African ancestry when he is heavily pigmented and has tropically adapted limbs like other Africans?
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It just shows you how black they originally were.
“It is necessary also to distinguish between the medieval Hadareb (the Bellou) and their modern counterparts so unflatteringly described by 19th century visitors to the Sudan, mainly Arteiga, Ashraf and others, who by then were predominantly Beja by blood, but including also large numbers of half-caste Beja, the result of intermarriage with Turks, Egyptians, Circassians, Bosnians, etc... “ Book History of the Arab tribes of Sudan p. 64 A. Paul 1953.
Kush or Kushi didn't come to be a synonym for "black man" for nothing. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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The Arab tribes among the Beja in Northern Sudan were in part and in full mainly the descendants of bedouin tribes of Sulaym, Hilal, Ghatafan and Rabi’a of the Qays Ailan who began emigrating from Central Arabia and the northern Hejaz or western Arabia into Egypt as early as the 9th c. A.D. and continued their immigration as late as a few centuries ago. These clans of the Qays were all related and also notoriously “black” and near black in color in writings of Syrians, Iraqis and other Arab influenced people. They are well-known for possessing Greco-Roman concubines in Arabia >before entering Africa. Leaving Arabia they conquered Egypt and North Africa and also moved southward into Sudan, Chad and Eritrea. (This was long before the influx of later Syrians, Turks, Bosnians and others into Egypt later in the Islamic period.)
yes, some Beja get their hair type from Arabia and Greece thank you
You can probably throw in the Circassians and take out the Arabians since all early medieval Kushites i.e. fuzzywuzzies - Beriberi, Arabians and Beja - apparently looked alike. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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*Sigh* Of course I noticed lyinass b|tch addresses this thread to me. Again she makes lyinass conjecture and posts that autosome map which we discussed (debunked) before. So I'll just sit back and relax while she ends up destroyed like so many of her other threads. Posts: 26243 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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I love how you Morons keep posting this study as if it represents all Beja. Do you even know how many Beja tribes there are and how much land the Beja occupy.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by KoKaKoLa: you forget to indicate that the Purple color=Cushitic. Clown.
This chart is not the end all in determining this particular individual's ancestry. Many Beja claim Arab lineage. Above the purple indicates African ancestry and the blue indicates non-African ancestry.
Tishkoff:
Beja Banuamir
Cushitic 51.4% European 31.7% Chadic 4.3% Niger-Congo 4.5% Nilo-Saharan 1.7% Indian 3.0% East Asian 1.0% Sandawe 0.9% Fulani 0.4% W. Pygmy 0.3% Hadza 0.3% American 0.2% Khoisan 0.2% Oceania 0.1%
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I have seen that study and I did copy that list the the google search machine, conclusion was its only found in 4 threads. Where it was propelled by parahu, the castrated one and you. Repeating the same you are doing here, without any explanation, however I have question to the summed up list and so do others. So can you respond to the following. So we can figure out what is what's and what's not.
1). Where can this summation be found?
2). What is meant by European? (while other Africans are split up, as usually. lol)
3). How did these Europeans ended up in the hot dry dessert and slopes of that region, which is hard to access, for foreigners? What is the history of these europeans and for where did they come (originally).
4). Where is the Arabic cluster group? And if so, which Arabs are we speaking of here?
5). How did Indians and Oceanias or even your Europeans windup in the overall composition of the Beja who always have lived in the same region for the last 25.000 years. In a large terrain which is not easy to access for outsiders. And the territory they always defended. (from, common sub groups in the region).
6). What method was used to come to these conclusions? If truly so? lol
Throwing in a few numbers here and there is not going to so it, this is not how population-genetics works, we have to go to the very bottom of this.
7). From where did these Arab tribes come, who were these Arabs?
8). What is their history and what did and do they look like?
9). How large was the Arabic group when they arrived in the slopes and dessert of the Beja territory. Which they always have defended.
My analogy,
There is indeed a history of Southern darkskinned Arabic tribes intermarriage with people from the Horn, going back around 1.500 years, however from what is told they were the same people, similar in looks and cultural patterns. We know about the history of the Southern Arabic populations. This is common and well known history, not just oral tradition. This part includes some of the Beja members too. And this is what makes your theory problematic, and almost a false testimony.
I wonder, do you understand any of the above?
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] I love how you Morons keep posting this study as if it represents all Beja. Do you even know how many Beja tribes there are and how much land the Beja occupy.
The boy pictured above is Bisharin clan of Beja. I doubt you knew this or otherwise you would have mentioned it. (lioness productions) There are five main Beja tribal groups - the Hadendowa, the Bisharin, the Amar'ar, the Bani-Amir and the 'Ababda. The are primarily hamitic but have some admixture with Arabs. Each group is subdivided into tribes and clans within the tribe.The Bisharin emerged as a distinct tribal group sometime between 1000 and 1400 AD claiming an Arab ancestor called Bishar ibn-Marwan ibn-Ishaq ibn-Rabi'a. They have the largest territory of all Beja groups, stretching north of the Atbara-Port-Sudan railway line into Egypt. Most are still camel breeders, but some have settled as farmers near the Atbara River. Under the Fatimids in the 10th and 11th centuries there was increased trade between Egypt and the prosperous Christian Nubian kingdoms. As a result of the blocking of Sinai during the crusades, all Muslim pilgrims from North Africa had to pass through Beja territory on their way to Mecca. The Beja profited by selling them dairy products, honey and water and collecting tolls on the desert caravans and on the difficult sea crossing to Jeddah.Over the centuries, they had contact and some influence from Greeks, Romans, Arabs and Turks. A few Beja became Christians in the sixth century. The southern Beja were part of the Christian Kingdom of Axum centered in what is now southern Eritrea and northern Ethiopia. Although never completely conquered by a foreign power, the Beja in the 15th century were absorbed into Islam by marriages and trading contacts with nearby Arab tribes.
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As I said there are many Beja clans inhibiting a land from Upper Egypt all the way to Eritrea. Your Op has test results of Beja from one locality, so please sit down clown.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: I have seen that study and I did copy that list the the google search machine, conclusion was its only found in 4 threads. Where it was propelled by parahu, the castrated one and you. Repeating the same you are doing here, without any explanation, however I have question to the summed up list and so do others. So can you respond to the following. So we can figure out what is what's and what's not.
1). Where can this summation be found?
2). What is meant by European? (while other Africans are split up, as usually. lol)
3). How did these Europeans ended up in the hot dry dessert and slopes of that region, which is hard to access, for foreigners? What is the history of these europeans and for where did they come (originally).
4). Where is the Arabic cluster group? And if so, which Arabs are we speaking of here?
5). How did Indians and Oceanias or even your Europeans windup in the overall composition of the Beja who always have lived in the same region for the last 25.000 years. In a large terrain which is not easy to access for outsiders. And the territory they always defended. (from, common sub groups in the region).
6). What method was used to come to these conclusions? If truly so? lol
Throwing in a few numbers here and there is not going to so it, this is not how population-genetics works, we have to go to the very bottom of this.
7). From where did these Arab tribes come, who were these Arabs?
8). What is their history and what did and do they look like?
9). How large was the Arabic group when they arrived in the slopes and dessert of the Beja territory. Which they always have defended.
My analogy,
There is indeed a history of Southern darkskinned Arabic tribes intermarriage with people from the Horn, going back around 1.500 years, however from what is told they were the same people, similar in looks and cultural patterns. We know about the history of the Southern Arabic populations. This is common and well known history, not just oral tradition. This part includes some of the Beja members too. And this is what makes your theory problematic, and almost a false testimony.
I wonder, do you understand any of the above?
lol..
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quote:Originally ripped-off by the lionass: The boy pictured above is Bisharin clan of Beja. I doubt you knew this or otherwise you would have mentioned it. (lioness productions) There are five main Beja tribal groups - the Hadendowa, the Bisharin, the Amar'ar, the Bani-Amir and the 'Ababda. The are primarily hamitic but have some admixture with Arabs. Each group is subdivided into tribes and clans within the tribe.The Bisharin emerged as a distinct tribal group sometime between 1000 and 1400 AD claiming an Arab ancestor called Bishar ibn-Marwan ibn-Ishaq ibn-Rabi'a. They have the largest territory of all Beja groups, stretching north of the Atbara-Port-Sudan railway line into Egypt. Most are still camel breeders, but some have settled as farmers near the Atbara River. Under the Fatimids in the 10th and 11th centuries there was increased trade between Egypt and the prosperous Christian Nubian kingdoms. As a result of the blocking of Sinai during the crusades, all Muslim pilgrims from North Africa had to pass through Beja territory on their way to Mecca. The Beja profited by selling them dairy products, honey and water and collecting tolls on the desert caravans and on the difficult sea crossing to Jeddah.Over the centuries, they had contact and some influence from Greeks, Romans, Arabs and Turks. A few Beja became Christians in the sixth century. The southern Beja were part of the Christian Kingdom of Axum centered in what is now southern Eritrea and northern Ethiopia. Although never completely conquered by a foreign power, the Beja in the 15th century were absorbed into Islam by marriages and trading contacts with nearby Arab tribes.
The lyinass productions above has violated copyright infringement laws. Instead of plagiarizing, via copying and pasting info without citing its source, how about answering the valid questions Troll Patrol has listed?!
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: I love how you Morons keep posting this study as if it represents all Beja. Do you even know how many Beja tribes there are and how much land the Beja occupy.
Arab blood is widespread among the Beja!
They all have Arab blood, every single one of them.
Deal with it.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: I love how you Morons keep posting this study as if it represents all Beja. Do you even know how many Beja tribes there are and how much land the Beja occupy.
Arab blood is widespread among the Beja!
They all have Arab blood, every single one of them.
Deal with it.
Don't you think that your response is very simplistic?
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: Don't you think that your response is very simplistic?
Global Cluster analysis by Tishkoff et al. 2009 -- see Supporting Online Material (PDF)
Beja Hadandawa Cushitic 49.2% European 33.5% Chadic 5.8% Niger-Congo 4.0% Nilo-Saharan 2.2% Indian 2.1% East Asian 0.8% Sandawe 0.6% Fulani 0.6% W. Pygmy 0.4% Hadza 0.3% American 0.2% Khoisan 0.1% Oceania 0.1%
Beja Banuamir Cushitic 51.4% European 31.7% Chadic 4.3% Niger-Congo 4.5% Nilo-Saharan 1.7% Indian 3.0% East Asian 1.0% Sandawe 0.9% Fulani 0.4% W. Pygmy 0.3% Hadza 0.3% American 0.2% Khoisan 0.2% Oceania 0.1%
One thing that people should know about the Beja, is that they live with the Rashida arabs in the sudan.
To claim all Beja are mixed with Arabs sounds real farfetched. Can you post an study that states majority of Beja are mixed?
Peace [/QB]
I don't understand the logic of this statement. You say that claiming all Beja are mixed is far fetched right after making the statement Beja live with Rashida Arabs.
As per the Beja boy of the Bisharin clan, many Beja have soem Arab ancestry.
The point is that no one here has any genetic information on this particular boy. Therefore a true statement it's not unlikely he may have significant Arabian ancestry.
Therfore one cannot post a picture like this (or many others people love to post) and suggest that a person like this who appears to have some sort of straight hair does not have any significant amount of Arab ancestry. The Arabian peninsula being as place which has people with a much higher proportion of straight haired people than Africa. There is a long history of various foreign migrations form Eurasia into North Africa, Naturally there is going to be evidence of this
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quote:Originally posted by Perahu: Global Cluster analysis by Tishkoff et al. 2009 -- see Supporting Online Material (PDF)
Beja Hadandawa Cushitic 49.2% European 33.5% Chadic 5.8% Niger-Congo 4.0% Nilo-Saharan 2.2% Indian 2.1% East Asian 0.8% Sandawe 0.6% Fulani 0.6% W. Pygmy 0.4% Hadza 0.3% American 0.2% Khoisan 0.1% Oceania 0.1%
Beja Banuamir Cushitic 51.4% European 31.7% Chadic 4.3% Niger-Congo 4.5% Nilo-Saharan 1.7% Indian 3.0% East Asian 1.0% Sandawe 0.9% Fulani 0.4% W. Pygmy 0.3% Hadza 0.3% American 0.2% Khoisan 0.2% Oceania 0.1%
Conclusion: The Beja are heavily West Eurasian admixed.
You do realize that Northeast African J1 phylogeny [e.g. Egypt] was found to be more diverse than the Arabian plate counterparts?
And I get the impression that you are not correctly using that Tishkoff et al. supplementary data.
Notice any discordance between your Y-DNA figures and that of your Tishkoff et al. citation?
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The point is that no one here has any genetic information on this particular boy. Therefore a true statement it's not unlikely he may have significant Arabian ancestry.
Therfore one cannot post a picture like this (or many others people love to post) and suggest that a person like this who appears to have some sort of straight hair does not have any significant amount of Arab ancestry.
And hence, why you cannot also say otherwise either, i.e. he has significant amount of Arab ancestry.
quote: The Arabian peninsula being as place which has people with a much higher proportion of straight haired people than Africa.
Faulty logic; you cannot compare the Arabian peninsula--a small landmass--to the entire African continent. It is ludicrous. It should be common knowledge by now, that Africa has by far the greatest diversity anywhere.
Hair seen on that boy (OP I take it) is not an uncommon sight in eastern Africa, just so you know. Posts: 7516 | From: Somewhere on Earth | Registered: Jan 2008
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The point is that no one here has any genetic information on this particular boy. Therefore a true statement it's not unlikely he may have significant Arabian ancestry.
Therfore one cannot post a picture like this (or many others people love to post) and suggest that a person like this who appears to have some sort of straight hair does not have any significant amount of Arab ancestry.
And hence, why you cannot also say otherwise either, i.e. he has significant amount of Arab ancestry.
yes, I don't say he has, just that he might have. Therefore a photo of him does not prove anything
quote: The Arabian peninsula being as place which has people with a much higher proportion of straight haired people than Africa.
quote:Originally posted by The Explorer:
Faulty logic; you cannot compare the Arabian peninsula--a small landmass--to the entire African continent. It is ludicrous. It should be common knowledge by now, that Africa has by far the greatest diversity anywhere.
Hair seen on that boy (OP I take it) is not an uncommon sight in eastern Africa, just so you know. [/qb]
a fair point about the size of the Arabian peninsula perhaps however you say straight hair is not an uncommon sight in eastern Africa. Then why is it less common in West Central and South Africa and what is the reason people have this type of hair? The places you see it the most, the Horn and North Africa are the exact places that have had the most historical settlements of various foreigners
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: yes, I don't say he has, just that he might have. Therefore a photo of him does not prove anything
But your objection was not objectively framed, as you simply used it to bolster your disapproval towards only those whom you say use the photo to deduce the genealogy of the boy in question and claim that the boy has no significant amount of "Arab" ancestry. The objective and impartial truth, is that you couldn't tell either way, without a DNA testing specifically from said boy.
quote:a fair point about the size of the Arabian peninsula perhaps however you say straight hair is not an uncommon sight in eastern Africa. Then why is it less common in West Central and South Africa and what is the reason people have this type of hair?
Your follow up makes no sense. It's like saying why the KhoiSan-type peppercorn hair is less common in other parts of Africa vs. southern Africa. There are plenty of people with hair like that on that boy, who reside in western Africa as well. FACT: The hair on that boy is not aberrational to eastern Africa. The onus is on you to show otherwise.
lioness, I cannot stress this enough: it is so, because Africa is the most diverse place of the planet. Period.
quote: The places you see it the most, the Horn and North Africa are the exact places that have had the most historical settlements of various foreigners
If you know anything about African history, you'd know that foreigners have settled in pretty much the entire span of Africa. They have come in the form of settler resource-stealing and mass-killing colonists (like Europeans and Arabs), business men (like the Lebanese or Chinese for instance), and settler ex-slaves and refugees or people vacating their homelands for better livelihood opportunities (like east Indians, and recently, fleeing Europeans).
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lioness, I cannot stress this enough: it is so, because Africa is the most diverse place of the planet. Period.
The question was not "which is the most diverse continent on Earth?" The question is what is causing the diversity of hair in Africa.
quote:Originally posted by The lioness:
The places you see it the most, the Horn and North Africa are the exact places that have had the most historical settlements of various foreigners
quote:Originally posted by The Explorer:
If you know anything about African history, you'd know that foreigners have settled in pretty much the entire span of Africa. The have come in the form of settler resource-stealing and mass-killing colonists (like Europeans and Arabs), business men (like the Lebanese or Chinese for instance), and settler ex-slaves and refugees or people vacating their homelands for better livelihood opportunities (like east Indians, and recently, fleeing Europeans). [/QB]
Foreigners may have have settled in many parts of Africa but those that intermarried with native Africans have a much greater proportion in certain countries much moreso than others.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: Don't you think that your response is very simplistic?
Global Cluster analysis by Tishkoff et al. 2009 -- see Supporting Online Material (PDF)
Beja Hadandawa Cushitic 49.2% European 33.5% Chadic 5.8% Niger-Congo 4.0% Nilo-Saharan 2.2% Indian 2.1% East Asian 0.8% Sandawe 0.6% Fulani 0.6% W. Pygmy 0.4% Hadza 0.3% American 0.2% Khoisan 0.1% Oceania 0.1%
Beja Banuamir Cushitic 51.4% European 31.7% Chadic 4.3% Niger-Congo 4.5% Nilo-Saharan 1.7% Indian 3.0% East Asian 1.0% Sandawe 0.9% Fulani 0.4% W. Pygmy 0.3% Hadza 0.3% American 0.2% Khoisan 0.2% Oceania 0.1%
Conclusion: The Beja are heavily West Eurasian admixed.
Your "conclusions" are very simplistic.
1). Who are these West Eurasians and did these West Eurasians ended up in the hot dry dessert and slopes of that region, which is hard to access, for foreigners? What is the history of these West Eurasians?
2). What is meant by European? (while other Africans are split up, as usually. lol)
3). How did these Europeans ended up in the hot dry dessert and slopes of that region, which is hard to access, for foreigners? What is the history of these europeans and for where did they come (originally).
4). How did Indians and Oceanias, Europeans or even "your West Eurasians windup in the overall composition of the Beja who always have lived in the same region for the last 25.000 years. In a large terrain which is not easy to access for outsiders. And the territory they always defended. (from, common sub groups in the region).
5). What method was used to come to these conclusions? If truly so? lol
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lioness, I cannot stress this enough: it is so, because Africa is the most diverse place of the planet. Period.
The question was not "which is the most diverse continent on Earth?" The question is what is causing the diversity of hair in Africa.
quote:Originally posted by The lioness:
The places you see it the most, the Horn and North Africa are the exact places that have had the most historical settlements of various foreigners
quote:Originally posted by The Explorer:
If you know anything about African history, you'd know that foreigners have settled in pretty much the entire span of Africa. The have come in the form of settler resource-stealing and mass-killing colonists (like Europeans and Arabs), business men (like the Lebanese or Chinese for instance), and settler ex-slaves and refugees or people vacating their homelands for better livelihood opportunities (like east Indians, and recently, fleeing Europeans).
Foreigners may have have settled in many parts of Africa but those that intermarried with native Africans have a much greater proportion in certain countries much moreso than others. [/QB]
What is causing diversity in hair texture was already explained. I have explained the terrain and climate in which they live.
But on your part you choose to ignore it.
When you was asked: have you been to any of these locations, you started to twist and turn around the question. Simply put, you don't have firsthand knowledge or experience so you simply will not understand.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: The question was not "which is the most diverse continent on Earth?" The question is what is causing the diversity of hair in Africa.
Mutations and environmental factors. Mutations don't always have a conscious or rational explanation of why they occur. But your "question" is a sideshow smokes and mirrors, since you are running away from the need to prove your "gut feeling" claim that the hair on that boy is due to "foreign admixture".
quote: Foreigners may have have settled in many parts of Africa but those that intermarried with native Africans have a much greater proportion in certain countries much moreso than others.
Can you give me examples of these localities where foreigners "intermarried with native Africans have a much greater proportion" vs others, and why that is relevant to what you are being pressed to prove?
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We already spoke of the Arabian Peninsula, I addressed it, and so did Dana. Did you not read the posts prior to this?
quote:Originally posted by Perahu: Are you people retarded? The Beja live stone's throws away from Saudi Arabia.
I don't have to explain anything, it's extremely obvious, idiots.
So since all others are idiots, and you're not. Why don't you teach us and eleborate.
Recap,
1). Who are these West Eurasians and did these West Eurasians ended up in the hot dry dessert and slopes of that region, which is hard to access, for foreigners? What is the history of these West Eurasians?
2). What is meant by European? (while other Africans are split up, as usually. lol)
3). How did these Europeans ended up in the hot dry dessert and slopes of that region, which is hard to access, for foreigners? What is the history of these europeans and for where did they come (originally).
4). How did Indians and Oceanias, Europeans or even "your precious West Eurasians" windup in the overall composition of the Beja who always have lived in the same region for the last 25.000 years. In a large terrain which is not easy to access for outsiders. And the territory they always defended. (from, common sub groups in the region).
5). What method was used to come to these conclusions? If truly so? lol
My analogy,
There is indeed a history of Southern darkskinned Arabic tribes intermarriage with people from the Horn, going back around 1.500 years and perhaps before that time due to the Axum empire, however from what is told they were the same people, similar in looks and cultural patterns. We know about the history of the Southern Arabic populations. This is common and well known history, not just oral tradition. This part includes some of the Beja members too. And this is what makes your theory problematic, and almost a false testimony.
I wonder, do you understand any of the above?
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quote:Originally posted by Perahu: I don't have to explain anything, it's extremely obvious, idiots.
Unwarranted emotional outbursts such as this, is indicative of a need to compensate for a weak self-sense of security. Petty talk all aside, yes, you have some explaining to do, like the one I pointed out to you.
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Fool, The Beja occupy a land from Upper Egypt to Eritrea. No study has been done(As far as I know) of all the Beja tribes, so don't B.S me. The Beja are still majority African even in your Tishkoff studies so go jump off a bridge.
Your trying to steal African culture is pathetic. Its sad, Be proud of your Arab history.
quote:Originally posted by Perahu:
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: I love how you Morons keep posting this study as if it represents all Beja. Do you even know how many Beja tribes there are and how much land the Beja occupy.
Arab blood is widespread among the Beja!
They all have Arab blood, every single one of them.
Deal with it.
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In that study the Cushitic out numbers the European and the Niger-Congo(AKA BANTU) Outnumbers the Indian admixture. You Arabs are not even listed..lol
Go sit down clown.
quote:Originally posted by Perahu: Tishkoff et al. 2009[/URL] -- see Supporting Online Material (PDF)
Beja Hadandawa Cushitic 49.2% European 33.5% Chadic 5.8% Niger-Congo 4.0% Nilo-Saharan 2.2% Indian 2.1% East Asian 0.8% Sandawe 0.6% Fulani 0.6% W. Pygmy 0.4% Hadza 0.3% American 0.2% Khoisan 0.1% Oceania 0.1%
Beja Banuamir Cushitic 51.4% European 31.7% Chadic 4.3% Niger-Congo 4.5% Nilo-Saharan 1.7% Indian 3.0% East Asian 1.0% Sandawe 0.9% Fulani 0.4% W. Pygmy 0.3% Hadza 0.3% American 0.2% Khoisan 0.2% Oceania 0.1%
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Euronuts are dishonest. They come here talking about admixture of the Beja but are selective in the results of the Tishkoff study..(Posting 1/4 of the full clusters map)
Africans with the most Eurasian clusters(More than the Beja, Mozabites and Colords)
So why were you being dishonest Perahu??
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^^ Idiot, The Dogon are pure Negroids, they are not mixed. I do not claim racially pure Negroids to be mixed. The Dogon samples in Tishkoff et al. 2009 had many issues.
''It should be noted that the DNA for the Dogon population extracted from blood spots appeared to be of lower quality and microsatellite markers did not amplify as well as other samples obtained from whole blood (43% of markers had missing data). http://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5930/1035.abstract
However, a recent study found the Dogon to be 100% Negroid:
''The Dogon and Bambara from Mali show high similarity to the HapMap YRI from Nigeria''
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The fact of the matter is the Study reported the Dogon as being heavily mixed with Eurasians. If there was a problem with the testing why would they post the results.
Instead of posting a dead-end link, post the full study, what do you have to hide??
quote:Originally posted by Perahu: ^^ Idiot, The Dogon are pure Negroids, they are not mixed. I do not claim racially pure Negroids to be mixed. The Dogon samples in Tishkoff et al. 2009 had many issues. /pii/S0888754310001552
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