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The Dogon are pure Negroids. I don't have time for this silliness.
quote:Originally posted by Perahu: ^^ Idiot, The Dogon are pure Negroids, they are not mixed. I do not claim racially pure Negroids to be mixed. The Dogon samples in Tishkoff et al. 2009 had many issues.
''It should be noted that the DNA for the Dogon population extracted from blood spots appeared to be of lower quality and microsatellite markers did not amplify as well as other samples obtained from whole blood (43% of markers had missing data). http://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5930/1035.abstract
However, a recent study found the Dogon to be 100% Negroid:
''The Dogon and Bambara from Mali show high similarity to the HapMap YRI from Nigeria''
Africans with the most Eurasian clusters(More than the Beja, Mozabites and Colords)
Perahu uses Tishkoff 2009 to prove his agenda.
Now suddenly he reports problems with Tishkoff 2009..
lol
Euronuts are dishonest..
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Speaking of Tishkoff 2009, did they corroborate your "Mixed" Tutsi theory...
Im sure these folks are heavily Eurasian as well...
Euroclowns and their Arabclown slaves are dishonest.
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quote:Originally posted by Perahu: ^^ Idiot, The Dogon are pure Negroids, they are not mixed. I do not claim racially pure Negroids to be mixed. The Dogon samples in Tishkoff et al. 2009 had many issues.
''It should be noted that the DNA for the Dogon population extracted from blood spots appeared to be of lower quality and microsatellite markers did not amplify as well as other samples obtained from whole blood (43% of markers had missing data). http://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5930/1035.abstract
However, a recent study found the Dogon to be 100% Negroid:
''The Dogon and Bambara from Mali show high similarity to the HapMap YRI from Nigeria''
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^^^^ LOL, the Dude is dishonest man. Yet you have lioness and Cassite running around parroting him like the dude is Tishkoff herself..
LMFAO, God Damn these Euroclowns are something else man.
I knew The Dude was being a snake when he posted dead end links instead of the full study..
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quote:Originally posted by Perahu: ^^ Idiot, The Dogon are pure Negroids, they are not mixed. I do not claim racially pure Negroids to be mixed. The Dogon samples in Tishkoff et al. 2009 had many issues.
''It should be noted that the DNA for the Dogon population extracted from blood spots appeared to be of lower quality and microsatellite markers did not amplify as well as other samples obtained from whole blood (43% of markers had missing data). http://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5930/1035.abstract
However, a recent study found the Dogon to be 100% Negroid:
''The Dogon and Bambara from Mali show high similarity to the HapMap YRI from Nigeria''
Oh, so now a recent study found out that the Dogon are "pure" Negroid.lol
However, for this same reason I question the studies done on the Beja, Horners and other Northeast African populations. They show historal and biological flaunts too.
Others and I have listed a number of questions. Which none of you guys can answer, for obvious reasons.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] Tishkoff 2009, the study Perahu uses to claim the Beja are Eurasians reported the Dogon as the Africans with most Eurasian Clusters...
Despite dishonesty, the sample problems of Tishkoff 2009 on Dogon have been corrected by Xing, 2010 As everyone expected the Dogon who don't look Eurasian are not Eurasian. But the rest of Tishkoff Genetic Structure of Africans is the most comprehensive DNA analysis to date on Africans. (until and if a future study updates some region) Now with the exclusion of Dogon, Mozabite show the highest blue Eurasian component as we would expect because many of them do look mixed. (
(Keep in mind many but certainly not all regions in Africa were sampled in this study, most noticebly to this forum Egypt) Some of the Beja are showing 30% Eurasian. Not a surprise because some of them have straight-ish hair, have a history of interaction with Arabs and they themselves claim Arab lineage.
Also look at Ottoni 2009 on Libyan Tuaregs (not Western Tuaregs )
Ann Hum Genet. 2009 Jul;73(Pt 4):438-48. Epub 2009 May 20.
First genetic insight into Libyan Tuaregs: a maternal perspective.
Ottoni C, Martínez-Labarga C, Loogväli EL, Pennarun E, Achilli A, De Angelis F, Trucchi E, Contini I, Biondi G, Rickards O. Source Department of Biology, University of Rome Tor Vergata, Via della Ricerca Scientifica 1, Rome, Italy. Abstract The Tuaregs are a semi-nomadic pastoralist people of northwest Africa. Their origins are still a matter of debate due to the scarcity of genetic and historical data. Here we report the first data on the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) genetic characterization of a Tuareg sample from Fezzan (Libyan Sahara). A total of 129 individuals from two villages in the Acacus region were genetically analysed. Both the hypervariable regions and the coding region of mtDNA were investigated. Phylogeographic investigation was carried out in order to reconstruct human migratory shifts in central Sahara, and to shed light on the origin of the Libyan Tuaregs. Our results clearly show low genetic diversity in the sample, possibly due to genetic drift and founder effect associated with the separation of Libyan Tuaregs from an ancestral population. Furthermore, the maternal genetic pool of the Libyan Tuaregs is characterized by a major "European" component shared with the Berbers that could be traced to the Iberian Peninsula, as well as a minor 'south Saharan' contribution possibly linked to both Eastern African and Near Eastern populations.
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] Tishkoff 2009, the study Perahu uses to claim the Beja are Eurasians reported the Dogon as the Africans with most Eurasian Clusters...
Despite dishonesty, the sample problems of Tishkoff 2009 on Dogon have been corrected by Xing, 2010 As everyone expected the Dogon who don't look Eurasian are not Eurasian. But the rest of Tishkoff Genetic Structure of Africans is the most comprehensive DNA analysis to date on Africans. (until and if a future study updates some region) Now with the exclusion of Dogon, Mozabite show the highest blue Eurasian component as we would expect because many of them do look mixed. (
(Keep in mind many but certainly not all regions in Africa were sampled in this study, most noticebly to this forum Egypt) Some of the Beja are showing 30% Eurasian. Not a surprise because some of them have straight-ish hair, have a history of interaction with Arabs and they themselves claim Arab lineage.
Also look at Ottoni 2009 on Libyan Tuaregs (not Western Tuaregs )
Ann Hum Genet. 2009 Jul;73(Pt 4):438-48. Epub 2009 May 20.
First genetic insight into Libyan Tuaregs: a maternal perspective.
Ottoni C, Martínez-Labarga C, Loogväli EL, Pennarun E, Achilli A, De Angelis F, Trucchi E, Contini I, Biondi G, Rickards O. Source Department of Biology, University of Rome Tor Vergata, Via della Ricerca Scientifica 1, Rome, Italy. Abstract The Tuaregs are a semi-nomadic pastoralist people of northwest Africa. Their origins are still a matter of debate due to the scarcity of genetic and historical data. Here we report the first data on the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) genetic characterization of a Tuareg sample from Fezzan (Libyan Sahara). A total of 129 individuals from two villages in the Acacus region were genetically analysed. Both the hypervariable regions and the coding region of mtDNA were investigated. Phylogeographic investigation was carried out in order to reconstruct human migratory shifts in central Sahara, and to shed light on the origin of the Libyan Tuaregs. Our results clearly show low genetic diversity in the sample, possibly due to genetic drift and founder effect associated with the separation of Libyan Tuaregs from an ancestral population. Furthermore, the maternal genetic pool of the Libyan Tuaregs is characterized by a major "European" component shared with the Berbers that could be traced to the Iberian Peninsula, as well as a minor 'south Saharan' contribution possibly linked to both Eastern African and Near Eastern populations.
You and your "buddies" haven't finished answering the complexities of the Beja. Now you run to the Taureg. While this has been taunted already. You mere quote and tuote. And think we all blindly will follow, that nonsense.
Let's stick to the program and deal with the "subject" one at a time.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: You and your "buddies" haven't finished answering the complexities of the Beja. Now you run to the Taureg. While this has been taunted already. You mere quote and tuote. And think we all blindly will follow, that nonsense.
Let's stick to the program and deal with the "subject" one at a time. [/QB]
I don't have any buddies here, you had closed the topic with this:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patty There is indeed a history of Southern dark skinned Arabic tribes intermarriage with people from the Horn, going back around 1.500 years, however from what is told they were the same people, similar in looks and cultural patterns.
If such intermarriages were going on then one could say a Beja who has stright-ish hair may have such hair due to intermarriages with people not from Africa.
How those people in Arabia looked or did not look is a separate issue from the fact that they were not African.
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Tralalala....I am still waiting for answers to the questions I have propossed. Why does it take so long?
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: You and your "buddies" haven't finished answering the complexities of the Beja. Now you run to the Taureg. While this has been taunted already. You mere quote and tuote. And think we all blindly will follow, that nonsense.
Let's stick to the program and deal with the "subject" one at a time.
I don't have any buddies here, you had closed the topic with this:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patty There is indeed a history of Southern dark skinned Arabic tribes intermarriage with people from the Horn, going back around 1.500 years, however from what is told they were the same people, similar in looks and cultural patterns.
If such intermarriages were going on then one could say a Beja who has stright-ish hair may have such hair due to intermarriages with people not from Africa.
How those people in Arabia looked or did not look is a separate issue from the fact that they were not African. [/QB]
1). The topic isn't closet. Since a lot, if not all of the questions are unanswered. The Explorer has some, I have some...
2). I go by fact not fiction.
3). Why isn't there any Arab influence listed on the summarization "you've" quoted, without further explanation.
When I say they were the same people, I mean the same. But on another plateau. Your friend mentioned the other plateau is a stone trow away.
Meaning # similair development stages.
4). The desert can get extremely cold during the nightly hours. Did you know that? Certainly when compared to daily hours the difference is extreme. During it's winters it can go below (far) 0. Do you think such extreme temperature change can effect the facial bone structures and hair texture?
The very typical phenotype you see is indigenous to the region and terrain they live and have lived in for tens and thousands of years.
How are you going to debate this, when you've never left your block? While I speak from experience!
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The results of the Dogon to me do not make sense. However it is interesting that the Beja who have a lot relatively recent well-documented Turkish (Bosnian) admixture (as do the Arabs in Sudan) show as much as 30 % Eurasian ancestry. That sounds about right to me considered what many of them look like and what. It is acknowledged by specialists that many Beja do have significant Eurasian admixture. A. Paul speaks of the , “… large numbers of half-caste Beja, the result of intermarriage with Turks, Egyptians, Circassians, Bosnians, etc... “ Book History of the Arab tribes of Sudan p. 64 A. Paul 1953.
There has been very little admixture of Beja with recent occupants of the Arabian peninsula.
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quote:Originally posted by Perahu: ^^ Idiot, The Dogon are pure Negroids, they are not mixed. I do not claim racially pure Negroids to be mixed. The Dogon samples in Tishkoff et al. 2009 had many issues.
''It should be noted that the DNA for the Dogon population extracted from blood spots appeared to be of lower quality and microsatellite markers did not amplify as well as other samples obtained from whole blood (43% of markers had missing data). http://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5930/1035.abstract
However, a recent study found the Dogon to be 100% Negroid:
''The Dogon and Bambara from Mali show high similarity to the HapMap YRI from Nigeria''
I would be surprised if Irula (Dravidians) did not show very strong East African relationship considering how many of them look like East Africans with some Eurasian admixture. I guess that's what they are.
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