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You two are having your thing going on Mike and Zarahan - but I see where both of you guys are actually coming from - yet the only thing is .... in 1928 civil rights movement were outlawed.
It doesn't do anything for our people so the MLK peace movement and the Malcolm by any means necessary movement didn't render any results.
They allow our people to do it because they know we don't know the laws - thus making us look more stupid in a since. Here we are 40 + years later after the Malcolm X movement and MLK and things have actually gotten worse. AA employment, equality, police brutality, and much more ...
These movements were illusion based on lies that they wanted up to believe in yet again in 1928 it was deemed illegal to have civil rights movements - thus what they implemented they were going to implement regardless.
Noble Drew Ali - once said, there is going to be a day when white women will be breaking down your doors to get to black men (paraphrased). It wasn't because he was physic or prophetic in that since ... its because Noble Drew Ali knew the laws - he knew what they were setting up - just like any one who knows the laws and pay attention to the patterns will know what coming next.
Integration was in the working when the so-called freed the slaves - because they knew that the prison system was going to be a money maker if AA's with a certain amount of freedom would take revenge against the banking systems (robbery) beating down white people (assault), and the CIA distribution of drugs to black communities. This was already pre-ordained if you will. Integration would spark investments of the black dollar - they wouldn't invest in themselves, because everything they will see through media will be pictures of white faces and white beauty so they will invest in everything that is ours. Through integration they will even deny themselves and by hair from India, skin bleach, etc ..
Integration was not an accomplishment of MLK and it wasn't gained through civil rights movements - it was actually pre-ordained and it was through that movement that they were able to implement it without a serious backlash from the white folks... They knew that the white folks who didn't want it - would turn their anger toward us because they were under the assumption that a black man aka MLK did this so now this helps to create more tension - more prison money, etc ... its called fueling the economy .... because we are all products.
I will so here ... lol.
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MIKE111 The benefits of the "long Hot summers" were not realized by those communities who actually rioted. The realization that Blacks were willing to use violence, spurred concessions everywhere else, to AVOID violence.
No you are a weak pontificator that relies mostly on rhetoric, not clear analysis and evidence. Now you try to wriggle away from your earlier statement. You claimed:
But actually violence is EXACTLY what brought about REAL social change.
WHen questioned on this, now you switch to saying that the benefits "were not realized by those communities who actually rioted."
Well now, if this is the case, what was the "real" social change brought about for the people of the ghetto? You earlier pontificated about all this "social change" that was happenin.. SO now you say the "social change" did not apply to the ghetto people who rioted? Good. You have been forced to qualify your thinking.
LEt's continue. You say:
"The realization that Blacks were willing to use violence, spurred concessions everywhere else, to AVOID violence."
OK, so now that I forced you to qualify your claim, you say it was EVERYBODY ELSE but the ghetto poor who benefitted from ghetto riots. Fine, but your revised claim is still weak on 2 counts. I want you to clarify your thinking in this lesson:
1) You still have not shown any "REAL" social change re your claim. Black employment, education, voting participation access to more government services, dismantling of JIm Crow barriers, black pride and assertiveness etc were all already on the UPSWING BEFORE the ghetto riots and the aforementioned "concessions." To what extent were these concessions "REAL" social change, and not just minor activity that supplemented already long-standing trends?
2) Earlier you pontificated that "the Albinos" only allowed the illusion of change while maintaining control. Thus they allow the blacks to embellish KIng, when the real heroes were others like Stokely. In thread after thread you harp on "albino" trickery and deception and how they use "Uncle TOms." FIne. SO how then are the concessions made by such duplicitous "albinos" "REAL" social change? Give some examples to back up you claim. If "albinos" deal in tricky illusions, and only pump up King, why do you now say their concessions are so substantial or "real"? How can the masters of deception be allowing "real" change? You are contradicting your own argument.
Men Kheper Ra says: MLK - has a history that is foreign to a lot of people who have not truly researched his true politics ... all you have to do is read the old book called 'Nigga with a gun' which MLK gave the forwards ... he was pro-whoop ass until he bought into the lie the Jews told him. They told him that they will give him his time to talk what he truly wanted to talk - and that's when he caught that bullet trying to do what he wanted to do in the first place.
^^OK, so essentially you are claiming that the "Jewish manipulators" only allowed MLK limited scope before killing him off. This goes back to my earlier point. How could such masters of manipulations be making "REAL" social change with a few post riot concessions?
They allow our people to do it because they know we don't know the laws - thus making us look more stupid in a since. Here we are 40 + years later after the Malcolm X movement and MLK and things have actually gotten worse. AA employment, equality, police brutality, and much more ... These movements were illusion based on lies that they wanted up to believe in yet again in 1928 it was deemed illegal to have civil rights movements - thus what they implemented they were going to implement regardless.
Your example backs up what I say. How could these hidden controllers, masters of illusion, permit "real" social change because of some ghetto riots? How are "concessions" such as token hiring, or youth summer leagues REAL social change, if things have gootten worse as you say?
That's what I am tryng to get at. The notion of "revolutionary" social change happenin due to ghetto riots is itself an illusion. Keep in mind that there was ALREADY an ongoing locomotive of change underway by the time ghetto riots arrived.
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It doesn't do anything for our people so the MLK peace movement and the Malcolm by any means necessary movement didn't render any results.
WRONG!
The MLK "peaceful" civil rights movement yielded huge results. The problem is, those results were for the benefit of Jews, White women, and whites posing as Native Americans (Indian reparations bill passed). For the Negroes who participated, they received the ILLUSION of progress similar to the election of the nation's 1st black President. The ILLUSION of progress.
The Black Panther and Nation Of Islam projects both yielded different and more useful results then the passive Christian movements. Where the MLK Christian movement had Negroes bow their heads to the ground and BEG Albinos for civil rights and the chance to assimilate, the Black Panther and Nation Of Islam movements instilled the opposite. They released the basic instinctual survival mechanisms normal humans should feel towards those who would harm or kill them. They said, pick up your weapons and shoot the Albino dead if they assault or threaten you. Their position was not one of assimilation, but one of independence and isolation from the Psychopathic mindset of the Albinism affected mainstream.
Look at the severe contrast in personalities between heavyweight champion Joe Louis and Mohammad Ali. One, Joe Louis is indoctrinated in the Black Baptist tradition; Timid, docile, meek, and ignorant. Joe Louis tried so hard to assimilate, he actually volunteered for the Army and donated all the proceeds from his Army exhibition matches to the US Army War fund. This amounted to millions of dollars. Years later, these same donations would be used against Joe Louis by the federal government who hit poor stupid Joe with no having paid taxes of these donated funds. For the rest of his life, Louis owed the IRS and died broke.
When Ali came through, most African Americans displayed the Joe Louis mindset of step and fetchin' to Albinos. Typical symptoms of Stockhom syndrome.
Ali reversed that crap by displaying his aggressive, out-spoken, independent black man persona to the black community. Like Malcolm X, Ali showed African Americans that they had no need to walk around meek with bowed heads. They blacks were not only superior in body, but that they had no need to serve Albinos in destroying other non-white cultures. Ali was one of the most visible characters who proclaimed, "I'm not going to go kill for you Albinos. Them Asians never did anything to me and never called me nigger. They aren't my enemies, albinos are." Albinos responded as expected and attempted to throw Ali in jail. Whereas MLK NEVER refused an Albino Jew bribe, Ali refused millions.
You can thank Malcolm and Ali for helping blacks to break free (somewhat) from the effects of Stockholm Syndrome that most Africans displayed Pre-Ali/NOI era.
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Men Kheper Ra - Civil rights legislation was not an end unto itself, it was a means to an end. Those laws merely mandated how Blacks were to be "Officially" and legally treated.
They allowed Blacks a path and way to battle for what they wanted - nothing more.
While those "Blackcentric" approaches may work in Africa, they have no place anywhere else. In integrated environments, once the standard of equality has been established (whether real or just perceived), you can no longer think in terms of mass racial movements, the result would be the collapse of the society.
Anyone wishing to help the Black underprivileged in America, might do well to teach them how to compete successfully in a technological world.
But make no mistake about it, modern capitalist societies will always create an underclass - it's the nature of the beast. The trick is not to be one of them. In modern U.S. there are far more Albino poor than Black poor. It's just that the poor make up a much greater percentage of the Black population.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [QB] Men Kheper Ra - Civil rights legislation was not an end unto itself, it was a means to an end. Those laws merely mandated how Blacks were to be "Officially" and legally treated.
They allowed Blacks a path and way to battle for what they wanted - nothing more.
While those "Blackcentric" approaches may work in Africa, they have no place anywhere else. In integrated environments, once the standard of equality has been established (whether real or just perceived), you can no longer think in terms of mass racial movements, the result would be the collapse of the society.
Exactly right, the Nation of Islam's rhetoric for racial separatism in America will never happen. It would only have a chance in Africa or the Carribean. The problem is bow ties are inappropriate for Africa
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^ Actually fool, the NOI have always been and always will be as separated and insulated from mainstream America as Jews are.
As I stated above, you don't see NOI members shopping at Giant, A&P, or Pigly Wigley, cause, they have their own 5000 acre farms where they raise their own food. In a court room full of 100 Negro Christians paying traffic tickets, you won't observe any NOI members there either. Only Negro Christians allow themselves to be caught up in the Albino feeding frenzy. You won't observe any NOI members on TV shooting a commercial to sell Albino goods and services either, and you won't see them in the position you now see Jesse Jackson, Jr. is in now, having to fake mental illness because he has been compromised (taking bribes) from Jews who wish to influence his district. You won't observe NOI members eating the crap that Albinos put in front of you at McDonalds, Churches, or Wendys. You won't observe them in the long line of Negro Christians lined up at the Jew Plasma or Sperm donation centers trying to sell their bloodily fluids.
Not to mention, an organization that does not accept White Albinos is inappropriate for Africa. The NAACP (Jew controlled) structure fits better into the present African landscape. Plus, Jews are allergic to bow ties.
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^People in the Caribbean, with little in the way of resources - other than beauty, have no interest in racial separation. They need the goodwill of all.
Mainland non-Albinos likewise have no interest in such. Their complaint is Albino domination.
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The Jews had the government try to shut down these NOI enterprises, refusing to give them "religious based" tax status. Denying the tax status, they then attempted to get the NOI for back taxes (the usual nigger trap), but NOI lawyers prevailed and all are still open for business and have the appropriate tax exemptions.
The NOI Farms:
In Michigan...1000 acres utililized mostly in corn because of its highly nutritient value. The complex maintains 2 great silos and a storage bin to house our crop, they hold 100,000 bushels each.
This feed is utilized in feeding our Michigan chickens in the 2 house egg factory containing 40,000 chickens.
The farm also has a 50 acre apple orchard which yielded 10 trailer loads of apples with the last harvest.
The complex contains a dairy herd of 100 head Holstein Cows which gives an average of 35 lbs. of milk per day per cow. Schools in the area use our dairy as training grounds.
The NOI Georgia Farm:
The Georgia Farms represents 5,000 acres of fine farm land. The main crops are vegetables, soy beans, corn, hay and a beef herd of 800 head. We have an ultra-modern dairy with the capacity of milking 200 head per milking, it's one of the finest in Georgia.
Our Georgia complex contains a cannery which has shipped into the Chicago area: string beans, apple sauce, whole apples for institutions, corn, tomatoes, and okra to serve our restaurants, bakeries and other businesses.
In Georgia, we have 16 chicken houses. Some are now producing broilers sold in Chicago. The complex contains a grain mill for making feed for our 1,500 head of livestock and 100,000 chickens.
The NOI Shabazz Eatery with produce from NOI farms
The NOI schools:
40+ schools across the country with auditoriums, gymnasiums, cafeterias, libraries, classrooms and lockers in the hallways. I speak of black controlled schools with school buses (plural). These schools employ the services of teachers, guidance counselors, nurses, librarians, cooks, janitors, principals and school bus drivers. Providing employment for our people and offering balanced education to black children unlike the eurocentric education embraced by Negro Christians.
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In December 1994, we were able to purchase, with contributions from the Three Year Economic Saving Program, some farmland located in Bronwood, Georgia. This land is located in the northeast corner of Terrell county, which is in the southwest part of Georgia, not far from the Florida border. The farm consists of 1556 acres of land that stretches 1.45 miles east and west and 2 miles north and south. The farm, which is called Muhammad Farms, was once part of a 4500-acre farm owned by the Nation of Islam until the 1970s. If it is Allah's (God) will, with your continued support and prayers we plan to repurchase the remaining acreage in the near future.
In our first year of farming we purchased three tractors, a new diesel farm truck, a new three bed-room double wide trailer (which is used as an office/living quarters), a large array of farm equipment, a refrigerated trailer for on-site vegetable storage and an irrigation system. In 1995, we planted and harvested 76.3 acres of land, including watermelons, cantaloupes, sweet corn, snap beans, okra, yellow squash, zucchini, butternut squash, peas and greens.
The produce, excluding the greens and peas, was distributed to most of the Eastern, Mid-Atlantic, Central, Southern and Southwest regions of the Nation;
Business and consumerism is the reality of the day - whether right or wrong, good or bad. Competing successfully in this reality is the order of the day. That's my message to the Black underclass.
The NOI is a throwback to earlier times, it really has no place in modern society - except as a refuge for those who can't adjust.
Middle class Blacks admire their organization and ability to act in unison. But they also see it as alien and somewhat sinister.
It's dogma's make it's wide acceptance impossible; like everyone else in the west - and maybe especially sub-Saharan Africans; Blacks cherish personal freedoms, and don't like being told what they can and can't do.
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In 1995, as indicated above, we celebrated the acquisition of five (5) Peterbuilt trucks which ship our produce and products (books, bean pies, personal care products, CD's, DVD's, and audio or video cassettes) to cities across the nation. Our fleet of trucks now numbers ten, unless the number has increased since the last time I was in Chicago.
In 1995, we also celebrated the Grand opening of the Salaam Restaurant and Bakery Complex, which contained a bakery, a banquet hall, a fine dining section and the Blue Seas family restaurant. The Salaam Restaurant at its peak employed 200 Black Chicagoans, a group which was inclusive of NOI members and non-NOI members.
The Sales and Office Building was designed by Mr. Leroy Hilliard, a prominent Black architect under the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and it was built by the E. Bush Construction Company, one of Chicago's leading Black Builders at that time. At the cost of 2.1 million dollars, it was one of the largest construction contracts secured by any Black firm in 1973.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^MK - My point is that he is NOT Albino.
Business and consumerism is the reality of the day - whether right or wrong, good or bad. Competing successfully in this reality is the order of the day. That's my message to the Black underclass.
The NOI is a throwback to earlier times, it really has no place in modern society - except as a refuge for those who can't adjust.
Middle class Blacks admire their organization and ability to act in unison. But they also see it as alien and somewhat sinister.
It's dogma's make it's wide acceptance impossible; like everyone else in the west - and maybe especially sub-Saharan Africans; Blacks cherish personal freedoms, and don't like being told what they can and can't do.
Mike, "wide acceptance" is NOT the goal. No organization yet invented will be universally accepted by Negroes. ORGANIZATION never goes out of fashion or style.
What other alternative black organization has proven as effective and well organized as the NOI; the pathetic Greek Q's, the Zetas, the Puta Deltas, the Free & Accepted Masons, the gay filled Southern Baptist Leadership Consul?
The NOI is by far, not perfect. However, they are much more effective than any other Negro Christian organization in America. Where are the T.D. Jakes farms? Where are the Pro-black ventures started by the thousands of assimilated NFL/NBA millionaires? Please list them cause the way I see it, the NOI has accomplished much more than Oprah, Jay-Z, Bill Cosby, The man In the Dress, Tyler Perry, Micheal Jordan, the NAACP, and the Baptist churches COMBINED.
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The NOI Shabazz, Good Meals On Wheels; The famous NOI Bean Pie What US black person has never tasted one. A marketing SUCCESS! One of the most successful black products in US history. Posts: 4693 | From: Saturn | Registered: Apr 2012
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ Actually fool, the NOI have always been and always will be as separated and insulated from mainstream America as Jews are.
As I stated above, you don't see NOI members shopping at Giant, A&P, or Pigly Wigley, cause, they have their own 5000 acre farms where they raise their own food.
n December 1994, we were able to purchase, with contributions from the Three Year Economic Saving Program, some farmland located in Bronwood, Georgia. This land is located in the northeast corner of Terrell county, which is in the southwest part of Georgia, not far from the Florida border. The farm consists of 1556 acres of land that stretches 1.45 miles east and west and 2 miles north and south. The farm, which is called Muhammad Farms, was once part of a 4500-acre farm owned by the Nation of Islam until the 1970s. If it is Allah's (God) will, with your continued support and prayers we plan to repurchase the remaining acreage in the near future."
^^^^ NOI website. The size of the largest Georgia farm has reduced from 5000 acres to 1556 acres. They don't mention crop yeilds. What percentage of food does the average NOI member get from these farms? Minister farrakhan lives in a 16% white neighborhood How does The Nation of Islam compare to the Jehovah's Witnesses in terms of cleaning people up and business enterprises?
Also if the NOI is so great why are you not a member?
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He,he,he: As the old timers say, be careful what you wish for, you might get it!
I might remind you that the battles were for "Equality". In reality that means being fodder for the capitalist machine - or Sheep - just like the worker Albinos.
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Also if the NOI is so great why are you not a member?
I love the organizational skills and commitment the NOI displays and I support them in their endeavors.
The NOI has several farms in various states.
Farrakhan's neighborhood has 16% Whites; What's your point?
The Jehovah Witnesses are NOT a black organization. Will you being making comparison with the Mormons or Buddhists next.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: I see the NOI has taken a page out of the White Evangelicals playbook. It almost brought a tear to my eyes too - NOT. He,he; I know bullsh1t when I read it.
The point is that this is merely a "Feel good" show, that will certainly get the NOI some badly needed recruits, but solves nothing.
The fundamental problem is that in areas like Chicago, you are dealing with the descendants of Slaves from the south who went north looking for work, and never developed socially.
They have no idea of how to organize themselves to be self-sustaining. Therefore whatever they get is from the outside. And in bad times like these, they only know how to turn on each other to support themselves.
Combine that with the simple-mindedness of these communities, where they are never introduced (in a real life way) to logical thinking and the concept of an ordered society - and the benefits thereof. Thus the stupid is reinforced and the sensible discarded. Is it any wonder then that these communities disintegrate?
Short of somehow injecting sensible thinking into those people, the only solution is to reverse what caused the problem in the first place:
Disperse them into manageable units by resettling them into stable communities elsewhere.
Please consider this: The July employment figures for the U.S. came in yesterday.
If you added the one million plus, prime employment aged, Blacks currently incarcerated:
You would have what - perhaps a 20% Black unemployment rate?
These people will likely never understand how to make business, and do business among themselves - buying from each other and working for each other - thereby being self sustaining.
And clearly feel good shows and fine words won't solve this problem.
Mike111,sometimes I think you're either brutally honest or slightly misanthropic-which is which? Those are some harsh dismissals;basically you're saying urban blacks can barely wipe their own asses!
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I was in D.C. when the NOI cleaned out the crack dealer infested projects. How the place was transformed into a different place after the NOI ran the drug dealers out. There was nothing "feel good" about that. I was also there when the Jews protested against the NOI activity to the FEDs, and how the FEDS asked the FOI to leave the projects, and as soon as they did, the drug dealers took the place right back. Score ONE for the Jews. I remember asking about FARRAKHAN on a thread. This info would indicate he's on the level,a true black leader but more data is required. Narm,do you have more evidence of how the gov't sabotaged similar interventions and more background on the Gaddafi loan matter? Btw,don't despair-certain counter factual researchers have him still alive and well in Zimbabwe;things aren't always as they seem.
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any nutritionist will tell you deep fried foods are unhealthy .
Nation of Islam Bean Pie ingredients:
2 cups navy beans
1 stick butter
2 tablespoons flour
4 eggs
1 teaspoon nutmeg
2 cups sugar
1 14oz. can evaporated milk
1 teaspoon cinnamon
2 tablespoons vanilla
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Beans are perfectly good cooked with onions and garlic.
However the above recipe turns them into a desert by unecessarily adding a stick of fatty butter and 4 eggs. The crust, not mentioned here is also very high in fat
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kikuyu22 - LOL, I don't believe 1/100th of the crap printed in Jewish newspapers. I don't believe half of the people the US says it has killed are in fact dead. Actually I believe many of these people are government agents as Bin laden and Manuel Noriega were/are.
According to long-time NOI observer and black pastor Dr. Jerry Buckner, while the traditional black church is about 60 percent female, the NOI’s membership is about 80 percent male. Young American blacks are in a crisis today (30 percent will be imprisoned or under court supervision by age 29), and the NOI offers economic and religious solutions.
From the Very Jewish New York Times, so please read between the lines.
As Farrakhan Groups Land Jobs From Government, Debate Grows
Also if the NOI is so great why are you not a member?
I love the organizational skills and commitment the NOI displays and I support them in their endeavors.
very suspicious
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
The Jehovah Witnesses are NOT a black organization. Will you being making comparison with the Mormons or Buddhists next.
The Jehovah Witnesses like the NOI they are a religious organization. Like many religious groups they make you stop partying and start selling their newspapers on the street
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: any nutritionist will tell you deep fried foods are unhealthy .
Nation of Islam Bean Pie ingredients:
2 cups navy beans
1 stick butter
2 tablespoons flour
4 eggs
1 teaspoon nutmeg
2 cups sugar
1 14oz. can evaporated milk
1 teaspoon cinnamon
2 tablespoons vanilla
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Beans are perfectly good cooked with onions and garlic.
However the above recipe turns them into a desert by unecessarily adding a stick of fatty butter and 4 eggs. The crust, not mentioned here is also very high in fat
How many times have you eaten at a NOI restaurant? Have you had the pleasure of eating one of their fish subs?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: any nutritionist will tell you deep fried foods are unhealthy.
Then WHY do YOU continue to consume fried foods, and don't lie that you don't.
The quality of fried foods depends on;
1. The cook 2. The Oil (Vegetable (worst), Peanut, Avocado, etc.) 3. The raw material (food)
The deep frying of foods adds a large amount of unecessary calories from fat despite the type of fat used. The frying process also forms a carcinogenic compound called Acrylamide.
Elijah Muhammad said clearly in Eat to Live not to eat peanuts or soybeans. So peanut oil is out. Advocado oil is very expensive, restaurants don't use it. Peanut and Soybean oil are types of vegetable oil. The Shabazz Good foods truck sells fried chicken wings, undoubtedly cooked in some type of vegetable oil probably soybean or corn oil (bothe gneteically modified crops) $5 for 10 wings, and they sell French Fries (don't believe me call them, I have peoples in Crenshaw) A single fried chicken wing has about 10 grams of fat
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: How many times have you eaten at a NOI restaurant? Have you had the pleasure of eating one of their fish subs? [/QB]
The Shabazz truck says it has a deep fried "red snapper" sandwich. Most red snapper comes from Mexico. But I would be surprised if a food truck that has fired fish would be selling real red snapper becasue it is relatively expensive. Some of what gets sold as "red snapper" is really rock cod from California that is more polluted. The retailer might not even know if they purchase fillets. Often Whiting, a cheap small fish, is used for fish sandwiches
Some other pacific caught fish, like bluefin tuna are starting to show slight radiation levels from Fukishima debris which has been drifting.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: How many times have you eaten at a NOI restaurant? Have you had the pleasure of eating one of their fish subs?
The Shabazz truck says it has a deep fried "red snapper" sandwich. Most red snapper comes from Mexico. But I would be surprised if a food truck that has fired fish would be selling real red snapper becasue it is relatively expensive. Some of what gets sold as "red snapper" is really rock cod from California that is more polluted. The retailer might not even know if they purchase fillets. Often Whiting, a cheap small fish, is used for fish sandwiches
Some other pacific caught fish, like bluefin tuna are starting to show slight radiation levels from Fukishima debris which has been drifting. [/QB]
You can READ Fool, and you know very well how you avoided the question.
Also, FYI there are many oils used for frying that contain good fats unlike those found in vegetable oil. One should not overdue eating fried foods, but eating them once or twice a week will not have a drastic effect on your health if you prepare them correctly and follow a regular exercise program.
I can see that you are not much of a cook are you.
quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22: Mike111,sometimes I think you're either brutally honest or slightly misanthropic-which is which? Those are some harsh dismissals;basically you're saying urban blacks can barely wipe their own asses!
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I was in D.C. when the NOI cleaned out the crack dealer infested projects. How the place was transformed into a different place after the NOI ran the drug dealers out. There was nothing "feel good" about that. I was also there when the Jews protested against the NOI activity to the FEDs, and how the FEDS asked the FOI to leave the projects, and as soon as they did, the drug dealers took the place right back. Score ONE for the Jews. I remember asking about FARRAKHAN on a thread. This info would indicate he's on the level,a true black leader but more data is required. Narm,do you have more evidence of how the gov't sabotaged similar interventions and more background on the Gaddafi loan matter? Btw,don't despair-certain counter factual researchers have him still alive and well in Zimbabwe;things aren't always as they seem.
kikuyu22 - I don't recall if you are American or not, so you may not understand this.
Because of historical pressures on all Blacks, American Blacks were never able to establish a proper "Ordered" society: Frankly that means a "Class" based society.
With no real Class structure, and separation by same, everyone was more or less on their own, with little in the way of role models, or ways to emulate what role models there were.
In all successful societies, each Class has it's advantages and it's responsibilities. The upper classes are the few and the isolated, fed by the middle class. But in order to maintain the feeding, the upper class must enable the middle class certain benefits. Because actually money by itself, is of no value. It's value is in what it can get, and what people are willing to do to get it. And since the wealthy have long ago forgotten how to fend for themselves, this relationship is very important.
(BTW - Great wealth is a sucker play: in return for more homes than one can use, more cars than one can drive, more food than one can eat, etc, etc. True freedom is completely lost, peace of mind is non-existent, even the ability to intercourse with other people and move about freely is gone).
Because there will never be enough positions in the middle for everyone, the excess is relegated to The lower classes and the poor, who are suppose to be the workers and exploited of the middle class. They get little materially, but they are supposed to have a certain level of care, just to keep them going. Upward mobility is supposed to be through education, service to the middle class, and military service. But most importantly, they are supposed to be strictly Policed.
And therein lays the rub.
As you noted yourself, as soon as the NOI was forced to leave, things went back to what they were. That is normal, the underclasses are the underclasses for a reason! Whether it is lack of opportunity, or unwillingness to do what is necessary for upward mobility, they are what they are.
In a normal society, these people would be strictly policed by their own kind. But because of Americas racist nature, that is not possible. So that when these people are policed, there is no telling if it is legitimate policing effort, or a racist incidence. And the Black middle class reacts with with this confused state in mind. Thus the two are forever intertwined, instead of separated as is normal.
Needless to say, the NOI efforts are a good show, but nothing more. Without employment and a means to sustain themselves, nothing can change for those people. Since the Black middle class has no way to help them, by providing work, all that is left is what they do.
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^ Mike, Read above. The NOI is and has always been self sustaining. That is one reason they started out selling newspapers, The Final Call. Whereas other news outlets targeting blacks are local, the Final Call is national, as well as, International. I don't doubt that the NOI sells many more Final Calls newspapers than the African-American newspaper in Baltimore sold. So, if you consider the Baltimore African-American newspaper as a viable, self-sustaining business, then you have to extend the same treatment to the NOI.
The NOI restaurants also bring in some serious coin. Everyone that eats there are return customers. In the 70s, the NOI restaurants were all over the nation. They shut many of them down when the government began to fuk with them. When the one around the corner from my home shutdown, I missed them terribly.
With everything being relative, what black org that you are aware of offers better sustainability than the NOI model?
Also, the only time you need an economic CLASS based system is when you are following the Albino tradition. The problem with class based systems are that they are ; 1. Unsustainable 2. Inefficient in their general membership distribution which is not based on any form of logic, merit, or reason. They are always entitlement based systems based on color, "Race", family, etc.
A real civilized economic system needs to reflect effective utilization of resources, where humans are that resource.
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^ I know where they got it. Albinos have never invented squat. However, they have modified the system to what it never was. Theirs is a devolved system built on privilege and waste. They are like Locust or the Space invaders they like to write about in their SciFi.
As I said, the NOI is far from perfect, but what would be there for blacks if the NOI did not exist? The NOI is so much a threat to Jews, they work full time to discredit them. How many other black orgs frighten the Jews so? The Black Egyptology Association, or whatever umbrella erected to contain Black Egyptologists? Hardly. As my Grandfather used to tell me; Shoot for the Stars, and get the Moon.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: [QB] ^ I know where they got it. Albinos have never invented squat.
what about the telephone, electronic computer, camera, sewing machine, cotton gin, heart transplants, airplanes, cars, automated factories, washing machine, factories,steam engine, light bulb, penacillin shots, liquid fuel rocket, television, integrated circuits, lasers, central heating?
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: As I said, the NOI is far from perfect, but what would be there for blacks if the NOI did not exist?
isn't the NOI a religious cult?
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: The NOI is so much a threat to Jews, they work full time to discredit them. How many other black orgs frighten the Jews so? The Black Egyptology Association, or whatever umbrella erected to contain Black Egyptologists? Hardly.
Naturally Minister Farrakhan talks trash about the Jews, the Jews in turn talk about him.
You act surprised that Jews would be concerned about a high profile America based Muslim group that speaks out against Jews. They share the same views as white supremacist groups and have common interest.
DUNEDIN — One Friday afternoon in December, leaders of a tax-funded elementary school called Life Force Arts and Technology Academy shepherded students into a Scientology church in Tampa's Ybor Square.
The children were fed candy and pizza, given Scientology books and DVDs, and shown a performance of a play written by Scientology's late founder, L. Ron Hubbard. Some posed for photos with Santa Claus in front of a silver Scientology cross.
It was, as Life Force leaders had promised, a Christmas party, the school's first since a small Clearwater company called Art of Management had been hired to reorganize the school as it filed for bankruptcy.
Though company president Hanan Islam was also executive director of the World Literacy Crusade, a California organization that promotes Scientology study methods, she had reassured parents then that her group would "not push any religion" at the school.
But as Life Force parents stood in one of Scientology's newest churches, dedicated last year by Scientology's worldwide leader, David Miscavige, some felt their trust had been betrayed.
Some parents and former teachers at Life Force, which receives about $800,000 a year in public funding, say the Pinellas County charter school has become a Scientology recruiting post targeting children.
Opened to serve a low-income Clearwater neighborhood and advertising classes in computers and modern dance, Life Force had begun pushing Hubbard's "study technology," which critics call a Trojan horse Scientology uses to infiltrate public classrooms.
And while Life Force students and teachers worked in poorly stocked classrooms and teachers went unpaid, the bankrupt school funneled tens of thousands of dollars more to Islam's business interests than she told the bankruptcy court she would charge.
"There can be no accountability when this kind of stuff goes on," said teacher Tim Roach, who said he was fired from Life Force last month after criticizing the school. "It's the students who are going to suffer."
Though mixing public education with religious doctrine is not allowed by the Pinellas County School District, which oversees charter schools, the district has been stymied in attempts to close Life Force because it is under bankruptcy protection.
In response to questions from the Tampa Bay Times submitted over the last two months, Islam and Louis Muhammad, who chairs the school's board of directors, responded with brief email statements calling the Life Force reorganization an unquestionable success.
"This is the real story and needs to be told," Muhammad wrote. "We are making a charter school work."
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Islam told the Times in July that she wanted to "save the school" using the World Literacy Crusade's experience in setting up "programs in churches and schools" worldwide. "There are no intentions of taking over," she said.
But as the 2011-2012 school year began for about 95 students in August, Islam and other Life Force administrators began insisting on the use of Hubbard's "study tech" in the classroom, former teachers said.
Every teacher was given Learning How to Learn, an illustrated children's book and starter's guide to study tech that includes a biography of Hubbard. Teachers also were trained in Smart Way, a phonics program designed by Scientologists.
One teacher took photos of white boxes stacked in the principal's office labeled "L. Ron Hubbard Books."
Teachers were required to attend training sessions at Scientology's flagship resort in downtown Clearwater, the Fort Harrison Hotel.
Islam posted pictures online with a caption saying teachers were "trained on the barriers to study," a Hubbard study tech fundamental. Teachers were taught extensively about one study tech solution, "word clearing," in which fatigued or frustrated students must trace back their problem to a "misunderstood word."
Though teachers believed their students' struggles often stemmed from broken homes or social problems in their neighborhood, they were taught to point troubled students to a dictionary.
"The only reason a person gives up a study or becomes confused," Learning How to Learn states, "is because he has gone past a word that was not understood."
Teachers who questioned study tech were told they had no choice but to implement it. Fifth-grade teacher Jason Lowe, who was fired in January, said Life Force director of operations Vikki Williams told him, " 'We are a study tech school,' and that if any of us had a problem with it, we had to get over it."
Three teachers said they were terminated last month without explanation. Lowe said he was fired because school leaders suspected he spoke with the Times. Several parents and teachers who talked with the Times were reluctant to be quoted because they feared retribution.
Study tech combines common educational concepts like hands-on learning and word comprehension with what Hubbard defined as "barriers of study" and their manifested responses. "The real things or the objects that you study about are called mass," explains Learning How to Learn. Studying something without having the "mass" of it could make a student "feel squashed" or "sort of spinny," the book states. To get past that barrier, the student might be instructed to craft the idea with clay.
Supporters of study tech say the methodology is effective with struggling students. Academic critics say, however, that it hasn't withstood enough peer review.
Representatives from Applied Scholastics, a nonprofit founded by Scientologists to promote study tech, defend the methodology as secular and appropriate for public education. According to online writings, their interest is not in Hubbard as Scientology's founder but as "one of the most prolific and successful wordsmiths of all time."
But study tech's controversial links to Scientology have generally kept the program out of public schools. The Florida Department of Education has approved Applied Scholastics as a supplemental educational services provider, but schools and school districts in Georgia; San Antonio, Texas; St. Louis; Nevada and Toronto have backed away from study tech after complaints from teachers and parents.
Greg Blunt, whose 11-year-old daughter, Ta'Shannia, was one of Life Force's first students in 2009, removed her from the school last month because of what he called Scientology's "takeover" of the school — something the church denies.
School administrators, Blunt said, have long lied to parents about the church's involvement. When Ta'Shannia returned home from the Ybor Christmas party with The Carnival of Death, one of Hubbard's pulp-fiction books, he burned it.
"Everyone knows the easiest way is through a child," said Blunt, who has some convictions for nonviolent crimes. "Here, little girl, have some candy. Here, little boy, have some books to read. … Kids are kids. They're impressionable. If you can get through to the kids, trust me, you can rule the world."
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Opened in 2009 in Clearwater, Life Force was slated to offer art-heavy classes to the predominately black and low-income children of that city's North Greenwood neighborhood. Like other charter schools, it would be run by its own board of directors but funded by tax dollars.
Yet by summer 2011, audits show, Life Force was in a state of "financial emergency," with more than $400,000 in debts. The school's first principal was fired, charged with stealing from a family trust.
Seeking a savior, the Life Force board signed a contract with Islam's Art of Management company. In a court declaration, Islam boasted of being a "dynamic leader" who was skilled at winning government contracts and had tripled the World Literacy Crusade's annual income.
Calling herself "Dr. Hanan," Islam also said she was a naturopathic physician with two doctorates and a master's degree from Rochville University and the Eden Institute. Rochville is an online school the Washington Post called "a diploma mill." No university named "Eden Institute" could be found by the Times.
Though she touted her successes as executive director of the World Literacy Crusade beginning in 1998, the organization has had its troubles. Tax records show the Crusade's 2007 revenues of more than $270,000 had been cut in half by 2010.
And in 2008, the Los Angeles Times reported, 100 protesters marched outside the Crusade's Compton, Calif., headquarters, claiming the group had sold free government-issued Section 8 housing vouchers for $1,500 each — vouchers that turned out to be phony.
After she was hired by Life Force, Islam helped appoint new members to the school's board of directors, said former Life Force board chairman Maurice Mickens. Tapped as board chairman was Louis Muhammad, a Nation of Islam student minister who is called "Brother Louis."
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Islam and Muhammad were joined in leading Life Force by the founder of the World Literacy Crusade, the Rev. Alfreddie Johnson. He flew in from California in October to give the keynote speech at a Life Force fundraiser at the Fort Harrison Hotel. That month, Life Force bankruptcy filings show, the school paid the Crusade more than $15,000.
Johnson is a regular speaker at Scientology events and a longtime proponent of Hubbard study tech. In 2006 he was the speaker for Scientology's Ebony Awakening Awards at the Fort Harrison Hotel, where he told the Times of a plan to train Nation of Islam members to administer study tech.
A black separatist movement, the Nation of Islam has promoted education and training initiatives aimed at black empowerment and self-improvement, but critics say the movement is a racist hate group. Louis Farrakhan, its outspoken leader, once proclaimed "Hitler was a very great man."
Johnson, who has called Farrakhan "God's man on the scene," was called "the liaison between the Church of Scientology and the Nation of Islam" last October by the Nation's official newspaper, The Final Call.
Johnson helped sell Farrakhan on Hubbard's ideas, and in recent years Farrakhan has pushed Nation of Islam followers to embrace Scientology. In April, The Final Call reported Johnson was helping Farrakhan "to deliver the technology of Scientology to the Nation."
The Final Call reported last year that 4,000 Nation of Islam members were involved in study or training courses based on Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Hubbard's seminal bestseller. Nearly 700 Nation members have been certified as Hubbard Dianetics auditors.
Johnson did not return messages left by the Times last week.
Scientology spokeswoman Pat Harney said the Church of Scientology's contributions to Life Force have been merely a way to support a school in need.
"Our only interest is as a member of the community," Harney said. "The Church of Scientology would like to see any organization that is helping children do well."
In an email, Islam defended the "many religions" involved in her work and said she does not discriminate based on religious beliefs.
"I make it my business to associate with anyone," Islam wrote, "actively working to benefit mankind."
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Even after the school filed for bankruptcy protection in July, Islam's work at the Life Force academy proved lucrative for her business interests.
Life Force paid the World Literacy Crusade more than $33,000 in September and October, bankruptcy court filings show, though they do not detail what that money bought. Islam's management company was paid more than $56,000 in the three months after the school's bankruptcy — nearly double the rate Islam told the courts she would charge the school.
While public education funds streamed out of the school, former teachers said the educational environment at Life Force declined.
The "arts and technology academy," which had promised parents their children would have access to Kindles and laptop computers, instead provided only a small lab with two working computers. Music, science and art classes were nearly nonexistent.
Teachers and parents began resorting to unorthodox means to keep the school afloat. When the school stopped paying for bus service, former teachers said, parents and teachers carpooled. After administrators denied requests for classroom materials like paper, pencils and textbooks, teachers wrote to parents asking for help with supplies.
Some teachers resorted to buying their own supplies, downloading free online curriculum sets, and copying whole workbooks and teachers' guides, former teachers said. Paid $85 a day before taxes, without benefits or sick days, some teachers waited months to receive their paychecks.
The desperate measures to keep the school funded took a bizarre and potentially dangerous turn just before Thanksgiving, when a Life Force parent went into two empty buildings beside the Dunedin school and ripped out copper wire, doors, sinks and air-conditioning units.
According to a Pinellas County sheriff's deputy's report, Islam told school leaders the owner of the closed Fenway Hotel, a historic structure next to the school building, had agreed to let the school sell scrap metal from the Fenway's old staff quarters and carriage house. Principal Lenor Johnson asked the parent to help.
But when deputies arrived, they learned Fenway owner George Rahdert, a lawyer who represents the Times, had never consented to the demolition. No one was arrested, but repairs were estimated to cost more than $15,000. An entire fire-sprinkler system had been dismantled.
"What kind of school," Rahdert asked, "is going to create a fire hazard right next to where little kids are playing?"
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One morning in November, a Pinellas County schools employee saw two young boys sitting in the Life Force lobby. Near them stood the school custodian, holding a wringer bucket and an industrial-sized mop.
The boys, the employee told school district officials, had gotten in trouble. For punishment they were to work alongside the school custodian. One boy would mop the floors; the other, scrub a bathroom.
Williams, Life Force's director of operations, told the school district this was ordinary practice at Life Force. Student discipline entailed forfeiting recess for "work detail."
Dot Clark, the school district's coordinator of partnership schools, told Life Force administrators that forcing young children to clean bathrooms was "inappropriate, unhealthy and a possible safety concern."
But Islam defended the practice. "We have found in many programs," Islam wrote to Clark, "having children contribute to the cleanliness of their environment (can) enhance their level of ownership and build their self-esteem."
Later that day, Life Force board chairman Muhammad said he talked to Islam about the work detail's "age-appropriateness." Principal Johnson then wrote to Clark that the discipline would "stop immediately."
The punishment mirrors the approach of the Church of Scientology's Rehabilitation Project Force, where staffers in the Sea Org, Scientology's religious order, are forced to perform menial labor to redeem themselves for what the church considers transgressions.
Life Force's academic performance also has been questioned. The school failed to achieve four of the six goals it reported to the Pinellas County School District in its last evaluation, including increasing scores on the SAT and reading FCAT, enrolling students in a book club, obtaining library cards, and distributing a parent survey. The school did meet two of its goals for FCAT math scores: About 60 percent of third- and fourth-grade students received a passing grade.
The Pinellas district, which is required by state law to monitor and evaluate charter schools, was making plans last summer to shut down Life Force but was prevented from doing so when the school filed for bankruptcy reorganization, Clark told the Times. The next hearing in bankruptcy court is scheduled for April.
Last month Life Force administrators asked the school district to drastically change the school's charter and rename it SMART Academy ("Science, Math, Arts, Reading and Technology"). Superintendent John Stewart will discuss that request at a School Board meeting next month.
The school continues to advertise. In December, fliers displaying the World Literacy Crusade's logo invited the public to Scientologists' yearly Winter Wonderland in downtown Clearwater and offered free gifts to newly enrolled Life Force students.
The school posted a promotional ad last month on YouTube from Gary Ravenscroft, a Scientologist documentarian whose film, The Truth About Drugs, was produced by an antidrug group funded by Scientology. And this month, the school was promoted under its unauthorized new name in automated phone calls voiced by Crusade founder Alfreddie Johnson.
On the phone he promised the school could secure for children a "bright future." Parents said they sought out Life Force because they wanted exactly that. Touted as an advanced and secular public school in a poor neighborhood with few opportunities, the school, parents had thought, could be the start of a better life for their children.
But after months of questionable lessons and evasions, some parents and former teachers were convinced their public school had become a vehicle for something other than education, with their children as unwitting recruits.
On the first day of school after the Scientology-hosted Christmas party, a soft-spoken fourth-grade girl raised in a Baptist household stopped her teacher, Tim Roach, during class. She had a question.
"Mr. Roach," she said, "what is Scientology?"
Times researcher Natal Natalie Watson contributed to this report. Contact Drew Harwell at (727) 445-4170 or dharwell@tampabay.com. Write letters to the editor at tampabay.com/letters.
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Mike111 you are a very smart and realist guy reading your comment on class and money . You stated The few upper class are fed by te middle class .There is no enough position in the middle claas thats why you have the poor class for the middle class to exploit.The middle class cant create job for the lower class .Money by itself is of no value its only what it can buy .Great wealth is a sucker play .Mike like Muata Ashby you should write ebook and sell them in your website . Mike can the lottery create social mobility . The NOI do great job NarmerT but unfortunately to go to the next level they have to copy the Khazar Jew and create their own Goldman Sack investment bank,EI Rothschild and their own busineess corporation and go international .With those $billion in profit they can influence politician and finance middle class business .
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ]Naturally Minister Farrakhan talks trash about the Jews, the Jews in turn talk about him.
You act surprised that Jews would be concerned about a high profile America based Muslim group that speaks out against Jews. They share the same views as white supremacist groups and have common interest.
See Liar This is how I am 98% positive that you are Albino. You are ignorant, and on top of that, you tell ignorant lies which you always get caught in.
You see no difference between the ADL and the NOI because you are an Albino who would like people to believe your ignorant BS.
You, like most Whites like to spread the misinterpretation of RACISM. You equate an organization that throws bombs into churches killing scores of women and children to an organization who verbally reacts to the above.
You would like to group the mostly passive NOI with violent and aggressive racist orgs like the KKK, The ADL, and the Nazis. Some ignorant people will fall for your weak ploy, but listen up fool.
While the Nazis, the Klan, and the ADL will pro-actively work to deny people their basic rights, even going so far as to physically assault, frame or imprison them, the NOI has never been found guilty of the same.
While the NOI reacts verbally to the aggressive attacks on them by the rabid ADL, the NOI has not responded in kind by denying them their rights or affecting their financial outlook or denying them financial loans/Federal grants/etc. Unfortunately, black people do not react that way. I really wish they did, but they don't.
So, once again, we see how you are compelled to LIE. You an Albino, for sure.
Lastly Liar. had you bothered to read any of the Scientology literature or Dianetics, you should have realized that Scientology is not a religion, but a lifestyle change. Your article is worthless crap promoting discredit of the Scientology culture which promotes THINKING and resolving deeply embedded psychological issues like, compulsive Lying. Dianetics, the book is a little difficult to get through. Mostly because it is very repetitive. It's probably written this way to continually re-enforce the message that deeply embedded psycho behavior is repetitive itself. Meaning, a compulsive liar will continue to tell lie, after lie, after lie, after lie. You really should read it.
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quote:Originally posted by mena7: Mike111 you are a very smart and realist guy reading your comment on class and money . You stated The few upper class are fed by te middle class .There is no enough position in the middle claas thats why you have the poor class for the middle class to exploit.The middle class cant create job for the lower class .Money by itself is of no value its only what it can buy .Great wealth is a sucker play .Mike like Muata Ashby you should write ebook and sell them in your website . Mike can the lottery create social mobility . The NOI do great job NarmerT but unfortunately to go to the next level they have to copy the Khazar Jew and create their own Goldman Sack investment bank,EI Rothschild and their own busineess corporation and go international .With those $billion in profit they can influence politician and finance middle class business .
Better yet, I believe the NOI should relocate to Mississippi, taking about 500,000 blacks with them. With these numbers, blacks would be the dominate majority in the state and would be able to take over the whole Mississippi political process.
They cannot do as the Jews have done unless they are willing to traffic in slaves, drugs, porn, gambling and other illegal activities. Jews have no problem with any of the above because they believe non-Jews aren't people anyway. The NOI don't do that. The NOI believes in people.
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What I'm saying is that the NOI and white supremacist groups share the same rhetoric when it comes to Jews
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Lastly Liar. had you bothered to read any of the Scientology literature or Dianetics, you should have realized that Scientology is not a religion, but a lifestyle change. Your article is worthless crap promoting discredit of the Scientology culture which promotes THINKING and resolving deeply embedded psychological issues like, compulsive Lying. Dianetics, the book is a little difficult to get through.
maybe if you are already in a cult you can't see another one
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^^^ No one knows what the NOI would do if they had the power to.
Liar, the NOI already has ample power (and ability) to take out a whole colony of Jews if that's what they wanted to do. Fact is, it's just not in the black nature to devalue life as Jews do.
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Lastly Liar. had you bothered to read any of the Scientology literature or Dianetics, you should have realized that Scientology is not a religion, but a lifestyle change. Your article is worthless crap promoting discredit of the Scientology culture which promotes THINKING and resolving deeply embedded psychological issues like, compulsive Lying. Dianetics, the book is a little difficult to get through.
maybe if you are already in a cult you can't see another one
I'll bet you a dollar to your donut that magazine is published by Jews who have twisted Hubbard's work to appear as a religion. Anyone who has read Dianetics would realize that it is not meant to be any kind of bible or vehicle for worship. LOL, you Jews have the ability to mess up a wet dream. It's been a while since I read Dianetics or looked into the Scientology group. Let me see where the Jews are involved in this and I'll post what I find.
This is the original title of Dianetics; Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health.
Not exactly a Gospel or a codec. Seeing that the Scientology group is a religion based group, they are not required to list their core members but it appears that a polish half Jew scoundrel, David Miscavige stole all of Hubbard's wealth and intellectual properties. Whereas Hubbard setup Scientology to mirror eastern monasteries to explore the spritual aspects of the mind, it was Miscavige who transformed into a church and religion. Posts: 4693 | From: Saturn | Registered: Apr 2012
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^^^ No one knows what the NOI would do if they had the power to.
Liar, the NOI already has ample power (and ability) to take out a whole colony of Jews if that's what they wanted to do. Fact is, it's just not in the black nature to devalue life as Jews do.
any fool has the power to kill some people, but I'm talking about the power to do it and get away with it. know what I'm saying? Stop the hogwash about black people are all sweet and innocent, look at Africa and Chicago
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: I'll bet you a dollar to your donut that magazine is published by Jews who have twisted Hubbard's work to appear as a religion. Anyone who has read Dianetics would realize that it is not meant to be any kind of bible or vehicle for worship. LOL, you Jews have the ability to mess up a wet dream. It's been a while since I read Dianetics or looked into the Scientology group. Let me see where the Jews are involved in this and I'll post what I find. [/QB]
this is why you are no different than a Nazi in intent. You conclude the Jews did it before you even look for evidence.
Why don't you look up "Scientolgy Cult" these head trip hustlers have been raping people of their savings since day one, now they bought off the NOI. Did you see that wacko Tom Cruise in interviews ( and he's the one in VIP )
I give credit to the army and NOI for teaching some people discipline
question: why is Minister Farakhan still iving and breathing?
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I'll bet you a dollar to your donut that magazine is published by Jews
The above screen capture is not a magazine it's the official Church of Scientolgy website, dimwit
-and why do you think they call it a "Church" ?
from Diantetics:
Narmertot, I've proven you to be a liar again where's my apology????????
Xenu ( /ˈziːnuː/ zee-noo),[1][2][3] also spelled Xemu, was, according to the founder of Scientology L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions[4][5] of his people to Earth in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the essences of these many people remained, and that they form around people in modern times, causing them spiritual harm.[1][6] These events are known within Scientology as "Incident II",[7] and the traumatic memories associated with them as The Wall of Fire or the R6 implant. The narrative of Xenu is part of Scientologist teachings about extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in earthly events, collectively described as space opera by Hubbard. Hubbard detailed the story in Operating Thetan level III (OT III) in 1967, warning that the R6 "implant" (past trauma)[8] was "calculated to kill (by pneumonia, etc.) anyone who attempts to solve it".[8][9][10] Within the Church of Scientology, the Xenu story is part of the church's secret "Advanced Technology",[7] considered a sacred and esoteric teaching,[11] which is normally only revealed to members who have contributed large amounts of money.[12] The church avoids mention of Xenu in public statements and has gone to considerable effort to maintain the story's confidentiality, including legal action on the grounds of copyright and trade secrecy.[13] Officials of the Church of Scientology widely deny or try to hide the Xenu story.[14][15] Despite this, much material on Xenu has leaked to the public via court documents, copies of Hubbard's notes, and the Internet.[14] In commentary on the impact of the Xenu text, academic scholars have discussed and analyzed the writings by Hubbard and their place within Scientology within the contexts of science fiction,[16] UFO religions,[17] gnosticism[18][19] and creation myth.[20]
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^^^ No one knows what the NOI would do if they had the power to.
Liar, the NOI already has ample power (and ability) to take out a whole colony of Jews if that's what they wanted to do. Fact is, it's just not in the black nature to devalue life as Jews do.
any fool has the power to kill some people, but I'm talking about the power to do it and get away with it. know what I'm saying? Stop the hogwash about black people are all sweet and innocent, look at Africa and Chicago
STFU! You r S.T.U.P.I.D. The FOI are trained in martial arts. It would be easy for a kid to kill Jews without getting caught. For the FOI, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Jews are as soft as slugs. I know it's hard for you Albinos to believe but, The NOI just doesn't think that way.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: this is why you are no different than a Nazi in intent. You conclude the Jews did it before you even look for evidence.
You refused to take the bet, and for good reason. You realize very well where huge sums of money is involved, you will find Jews. In this case, like many, many others, we have a Jew who stole the IP of another person to control that organization. This is the true talent of the Jews; To steal what is not their and wring every bit of profit from it. You say that Jews only comprise 2% of the US population. So why are there so many examples of so few stealing so much?
Liar, Jews (Zionists) ARE the NAZIS. See... Posts: 4693 | From: Saturn | Registered: Apr 2012
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: STFU! You r S.T.U.P.I.D. The FOI are trained in martial arts. It would be easy for a kid to kill Jews without getting caught. For the FOI, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Jews are as soft as slugs. I know it's hard for you Albinos to believe but, The NOI just doesn't think that way. [/QB]
You still don't get it. I mean do it out in the open and get away with it. The NOI could not kill large numbers of Jews in the U.S. and get away with it. Your impression that Jews are all wimps is a stereotype you've been indoctrinated with. It's part of the brainwashing. And you think if the Jews control so much that you say they control they could not handle some FOI who knew kung Fu?
Your Jew obssesion is a form of cowardice. Elijah Muhammad confronted the whole white population. But Imam, I mean Minister , Farrakhan said wait a minute the whole white majority in America is too big to deal with, let's just deal with the Jews, they are only 2% of the population. Let's just say they are behind everything, a lot of white people already believe that, makes the problem a whole lot smaller. A round of applause could be heard in the KKK and Arayan Nation's compounds. So instead of an organization confronting the whole system of racism in America, they settled for traditional Apple Pie anti-Semitism, cowards
and that is why Minister farakhan is still living and breathing
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: STFU! You r S.T.U.P.I.D. The FOI are trained in martial arts. It would be easy for a kid to kill Jews without getting caught. For the FOI, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Jews are as soft as slugs. I know it's hard for you Albinos to believe but, The NOI just doesn't think that way.
You still don't get it. I mean do it out in the open and get away with it. The NOI could not kill large numbers of Jews in the U.S. and get away with it. Your impression that Jews are all wimps is a stereotype you've been indoctrinated with. It's part of the brainwashing.
Your Jew obssesion is a form of cowardice. Elijah Muhammad confronted the whole white population. But Imam, I mean Minister , Farrakhan said wait a minute the whole white majority in America is too big to deal with, let's just deal with the Jews, they are only 2% of the population. Let's just say they are behind everything, a lot of white people already believe that, makes the problem a whole lot smaller. A round of applause could be heard in the KKK and Arayan Nation's compounds. So instead of an organization confronting the whole system of racism in America, they settled for traditional Apple Pie anti-Semitism, cowards
and that is why Minister farakhan is still living and breathing [/QB]
Jews ARE wimps. Even Israelis sneak attack the people they kill (MLK) or use M60s against people armed with stones.
Once I was minding my own business when I had 3 Jew boys attempt to jump me. It didn't take much effort to knock one out, break another's nose, and pimp slap the third without breaking a sweat. Since we were in a black neighborhood at a busy intersection, other brothers saw me whipping these 3 white boy's asses and stopped over to help. They were too late. All 3 were on the ground. The brothers, not to be denied decided to get a few stomps in on their own. I left the scene but looking over my shoulder, I see 4-5 brothers ending what I started. I'm sure those 3 Jews will never forget that life's lesson and won't be messing with another black man in their life. If the NOI wanted to kill a lot of Jews without getting implicated, they would hire someone like me.
Liar, where I grew up, there were two groups of people; Blacks & Jews. I used to sneak into the synagogue located on the corner of my block during passover and eat up all the fruit. Believe me, I know Jews very well.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: I used to sneak into the synagogue located on the corner of my block during passover and eat up all the fruit.
well, maybe that's why they tried to jump you, you're a thief, they were trying to clean up the neighborhood
Narmertot, I don't think the title of this thread follow the article. The NOI did not address Black Christians.
So far they came around and did some talking. Do you think they are really going to confront heavily armed gangs and get into shootouts with drug dealers? Kung Fu will not apply. What do they have to offer? Making chump change selling Final Call and telling people they can't roll up blunts?
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