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This is posted at Realhistoryww.com: it is a letter received by the administrator there from a person purporting to be a Kurd.
Usually people writing in about their ethnic history are ignorant as hell, and simply spew the nonsense they were taught. The admin felt this one was well considered and worthy of discussion.
Hello,
I've read your account of history up to the first page or so of Ancient Elam/Persia. I am a Kurd and I take issue with your description of us.
To begin with let me say that there were never any "Persians". It is a category made up by Western imperialists/colonialists/orienalists (mostly the British I think) to describe people ruled by the Turkish speaking rulers of "Pars" (Persia) like the Qajar kings. The Persian language (locally called Farsi or Parsi) was only a court language. Most people identified according to their tribe or place of birth. People started identifying as Persian in the Pahlavi Era (1921-1979), because the king (an illiterate Turkish soldier) institutionalized the Orientalist, European made-up bullshit Persian history (basically everything you debunk on your website) as state ideology.
He renamed the former Persian Empire as "Iran" as homage to the Aryan ancestors he claimed he was descended from. The first people to adopt the Pahlavi king's Aryan myth were the social elite, Seljuk Turks that were formerly connected to the Qajar dynasty (which preceded Pahlavi) as well as various white (and non-white) merchants and clergy. So when you say "persians" in your history you are unfortunately actually referring to the white people that oppressed and continue to oppress the descendants of the black ancestors you identify as having living in the area that later became the Persian Empire.
What happened to our black ancestors? Many of them were enslaved by the envading white turks. Contrary to the orientalist paintings you use to say that white women were enslaved and kept in the harem, the slave trade was almost exclusively in black (or "black") people. it is true they were enslaving men and women from the caucasus, but these people were usually rural farmers who had become dark from working in the sun. (btw, the uv rays in the caucasus are pretty strong, especially because the mountains are closer to the sun. if your skin burns you're not going to survive being exposed to the sun). they were referred to as "white slaves" because they were lighter skinned, but they didn't look like what people would think of as white.
ANYWAYS, on to explaining the origin of the Kurda (kurda = plural for kurd). With every invasion of white people, the indigenous non-white population were massacred, enslaved, or they escaped to the zagros mountains on the current border of iraq and iran, where they would re-group and try to rebuild their lives. eventually they might be integrated into the new state established by the whites if they chose to return, which many did because life in the mountains was unimaginably difficult. most of those that fled perished during the long, extreme winters but they drew and wrote their memories along the walls of the caves they took shelter in and we've kept these preserved to this day. some managed to build new homes and fortified cities, but few survived the winter months.
the ones that returned or stayed were enslaved by whites, first the greeks, then the turks. eventually we learned how to prepare ourselves and survive in the winter climate of the zagros, and little by little groups of slaves escaped to the mountains and were able to stay there. we got stronger and eventually took back a significant amount of territory from the whites and have been fighting that same damn armed struggle to this day. they defeat us, we rebuild, heal, try to patch things up so that everyone can live peacefully, but they attack us and force us to defend ourselves, and if us defending ourselves involves any conceived loss on their part they go all out and defeat us again.
all of the peoples currently living in the mountains are descended from blacks and we continue to honor the memory of our ancestors. we look white because of mass genocides and rapes in the 20th century, mostly perpetrated by germans, russians, and british (and also partially because of mixing with run away caucasus-sourced slaves). if you look at our language and culture our blackness is obvious. if you are interested i can e-mail you more detail. we are not necessarily related to colchians, sumerians, or whatever. the peoples living in the mountains that call themselves assyrians (asuri) are not the same as ancient assyrians…they are only different from kurda because they are mostly christian instead of muslim and because of geo-politically motivated rivalries, and historical inter-tribal conflicts.
however we are the same people in the sense of having shared a truffle against the whites. the only ethnic group that has a higher rate of east african y-dna than us mountain peoples (i.e. kurda, lure, assuri, baluch) are the afro-iranians of hormozgan and baluchistan who are descended from african migrants that came later on. it is unfortunate that so many of us no longer look black. our elders always complain that "the russian and british changed our race" but i think that is a terrible way of thinking about it. we look different but it wasn't consensual and we are still the same people! if someone disfigured you would you stop being who you were before being disfigured?
the worst part is that many of our people have sided with the whites. the aryan myth is such seductive origin story, especially for a ppl who are subjects of a state that denies their humanity and keeps them in the dark about their history. for this reason i am glad for your website. please include this information so people do not continue to make up stories about our origins. thnk you.
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The Kurdish people, are an ethnic group in Western Asia, mostly inhabiting a region known as Kurdistan, which includes adjacent parts of Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey.
They are an Iranian people and speak the Kurdish languages, which are members of the Iranian branch of Indo-European languages. The Kurds number about 30 million, the majority living in West Asia, with significant Kurdish diaspora communities in the cities of western Turkey, in Armenia, Georgia, Israel, Azerbaijan, Russia, Lebanon and, in recent decades, some European countries and the United States.
The Kurds have had partial autonomy in Iraqi Kurdistan since 1991. Nationalist movements in the other Kurdish-populated countries (Turkey, Syria, Iran) push for Kurdish regional autonomy or the creation of a sovereign state.
The exact origins of the name "Kurd" are unclear.[26] Though it is believed that the term precedes the formation of the ethnic group by centuries or even millennia.
G.S. Reynolds believes that the term Kurd is most likely related to the ancient term Qardu. The common root of Kurd and Qardu is first mentioned in a Sumerian tablet from the third millennium BC as the "land of Kar-da."[27] Similarly, Hennerbichler believes the term Kurd and similar ethnic labels to have been derived from the Sumerian word stem “kur”, meaning mountain.[28]
The term Qardu however, appears in Assyrian sources, where it refers to the contemporary Mount Judi, and which derived its name from the people inhabiting the region, the Carduchi,[29] mentioned by Xenophon as the tribe who opposed the retreat of the Ten Thousand through the mountains north of Mesopotamia in the 4th century BC. However, according to G. Asatrian, the most reasonable explanation of the ethnonym is its possible connections with the Cyrtii (Cyrtaei).[30]
The word Kurd was first written in sources in the form of Kurt(kwrt-) in the Middle Persian treatise (Karnamak Ardashir Papakan and the Matadakan i Hazar Dastan), used to describe a social group or tribes that existed before the development of the modern ethnic nation.[31] The term was adopted by Arabic writers of the early Islamic era and gradually became associated with an amalgamation of Iranian and Iranicized nomadic tribes and groups in the region[32][33][34] Sherefxan Bidlisi states that there are four division of Kurds: Kurmanj, Lur, Kalhor and Guran, each of which speak a different dialect or language variation. Of these, according to Ludwig Paul, only Kurmanji and possibly the Kalhuri correspond to the Kurdish language, while Luri and Gurani are linguistically distinct. Nonetheless, Ludwig writes that linguistics does not provide a definition for when a language becomes a dialect, and thus, non-linguistic factors contribute to the ethnic unity of some of the said groups, namely the Kurmanj, Kalhur, and Guran.
The number of Kurds living in Southwest Asia is estimated at 26-34 million, with another one or two million living in diaspora. Kurds are the fourth largest ethnicity in Western Asia after the Arabs, Persians, and Turks.
Kurds comprise anywhere from 18% to 25% of the population in Turkey,[3][42] 15-20% in Iraq, 9% in Syria,[43][44] 7% in Iran and 1.3% in Armenia. In all of these countries except Iran, Kurds form the second largest ethnic group. Roughly 55% of the world's Kurds live in Turkey, about 18% each in Iran and Iraq, and a bit over 5% in Syria.[45]
McDowall has estimated that in 1991 the Kurds comprised 19% of the population in Turkey, 23% in Iraq, 10% in Iran, and 8% in Syria. The total number of Kurds in 1991 was in this estimate placed at 22.5 million, with 48% of this number living in Turkey, 18% in Iraq, 24% in Iran, and 4% in Syria.
ORIGINS
The Kurds as an ethnic group appear in the medieval period. The Kurdish people are believed to be of heterogenous origins combining a number of earlier tribal or ethnic groups including Median, Lullubi, Guti, Cyrtians, Carduchi. They have also absorbed some elements from Semitic, Turkic and Armenian people. (This is merely a list of everyone who has ever lived it those mountains).
According to Minorsky there is an "ethno-geographical identification" of present day Kurds as descendent of ancient Medes, an idea based on his "historical, linguistic, and philological" arguments.[67] This was further advanced by I. Gershevitch who provided first "a piece of linguistic confirmation" of Minorsky's identification and then another "sociolinguistic" argument. Those works of Minorsky were the base of yet another and different approach by Mackenzie. He argued that in contrast to Minorsky (and precisely Gershevitch's advancement) the evolution of the present day Kurdish language as a North Western Iranian language was to "lean more toward Persian" and in turn "marked off from Median".[67] These disagreements of scholars caused bitter reactions.[67] Dandamaev considers Carduchi (who were from the upper Tigris near the Assyrian and Median borders) less likely than Cyrtians as ancestors of modern Kurds.[68] However according to McDowall, the term Cyrtii was first applied to Seleucid or Parthian mercenary slingers from Zagros, and it is not clear if it denoted a coherent linguistic or ethnic group.[69] Gershevitch and Fisher consider the independent Kardouchoi or Carduchi as the ancestors of the Kurds, or at least the original nucleus of the Iranian-speaking people in what is now Kurdistan.
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Naram-Sin (2291 2254 B.C.), Son of Manishtushu became king. He defeated a rebel coalition in Sumer and re- established Akkadian power. Naram-Sin pushed the boundaries of the Empire to the Zagros mountains. He re-conquered Syria, the area now called Lebanon and the Taurus mountains, destroying Aleppo and Mari in the process. The Oman area revolted, and Naram-Sin had to invade and defeat their King Mandannu. He also invaded Anatolia as far as Dierbakir. He called himself the "King of the Four Quarters" and the "God of Agade", thus making himself the first Mesopotamian king to declare himself divine.
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Rock reliefs of King Anubanini of the Lullubi: There are four heavily damaged reliefs showing Lullubian kings as conquerors can be found on the northeastern edge of modern Sar-e Pol-e Zahab, about twenty kilometer east of the border between Iraq and Iran.
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Mike I doubt a Kurd (Kurds are NOT White) sent that to you you White people hating lying deceptive snake Black racist pos, everyone knows that that website is YOURS stop playing like its not & making up e-mails from fake people to make it look as if you are being supported by other than other White people hating Black racist pos's like yourself.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Mike I doubt a Kurd (Kurds are NOT White) sent that to you you White people hating lying deceptive snake Black racist pos, everyone knows that that website is YOURS stop playing like its not & making up e-mails from fake people to make it look as if you are being supported by other than other White people hating Black racist pos's like yourself.
lol....
But anyways...People like you seem to think white people=Only European people.
Kurds:
Looks white to me.
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The Gutians were a tribe from northern and central ranges of Zagros mountains that overran southern Mesopotamia when the Akkadian empire collapsed in approximately 2154 BC.
Sumerian sources portray the Gutians as a barbarous, ravenous people from Gutium or Qutium in the mountains, presumably the central Zagros east of Babylon and north of Elam. Gutium is also mentioned based in modern-day Kurdistan The Sumerian king list represents them as ruling over Sumer for a short time after the fall of the Akkadian Empire, and paints a picture of chaos within the Gutian administration.
Next to nothing is known about their origins, as no "Gutian" artifacts have surfaced from that time; little information is gleaned from the contemporary sources. Nothing is known of their language either, apart from those Sumerian king names, and that it was distinct from other known languages of the region (such as Sumerian, Akkadian, Hurrian, Hittite and Elamite).
The Sumerians didn't think too much of the Gutians: here's what they had to say about them.
"They are not classed among people, not reckoned as part of the land Gutian people who know no inhibitions, With human intelligence but canine instinct and monkey's features"
Physical appearance - Wiki;
According to the historian Henry Hoyle Howorth (1901), Assyriologist Theophilus Pinches (1908), renowned archaeologist Leonard Woolley (1929) and Assyriologist Ignace Gelb (1944) the Gutians were pale skinned and blonde haired. This identification of the Gutians as fair haired first came to light when Julius Oppert (1877) published a set of tablets he had discovered which described Gutian (and Subarian) slaves as namrum or namrûtum, meaning "light colored" or "fair-skinned". This racial character of the Gutians as blondes or being light skinned was also taken up by Georges Vacher de Lapouge in 1899 and later by historian Sidney Smith in his Early history of Assyria (1928). Ephraim Avigdor Speiser however criticised the translation of "namrum" as "light colored". An article was published by Speiser in the Journal of the American Oriental Society attacking Gelb's translation. Gelb in response accused Speiser of circular reasoning. In response Speiser claimed the scholarship regarding the translation of "namrum" or "namrûtum" is unresolved.
Modern connection theories
The historical Guti have been regarded by some as among the ancestors of the Kurds. However, the term Guti had by late antiquity become a "catch all" term to describe all tribal peoples in the Zagros region, and according to J.P. Mallory, the original Gutians precede the arrival of Indo-Iranian peoples (of which the Kurds are one) by some 1500 years.
Clyde claims that these are Gutians;
The art is way too crude to be Sumerian, so maybe he's right.
Statuettes of two worshipers, from the Square Temple at Eshnunna (modern Tell Asmar), Iraq, ca. 2700 BCE. Gypsum inlaid with shell and black limestone, tallest figure approx. 2’ 6” high. Iraq Museum, Baghdad.
The Medes were an ancient Iranian people who lived in an area known as Media and who spoke a northwestern Iranian language referred to as the Median language. Their arrival to the region is associated with the first wave of Iranian tribes in the late 2nd millennium BCE (the Bronze Age collapse) through the beginning of the 1st millennium BCE.
From the 10th to late 7th centuries BCE, the Iranian Medes and Persians fell under the domination of the Neo-Assyrian Empire based in Mesopotamia.
After the fall of the Assyrian Empire, between 616 BCE and 605 BCE, a unified Median state was formed, which, together with Babylonia, Lydia, and Egypt became one of the four major powers of the ancient Near East. An alliance with the Babylonians and the Scythians helped the Medes to capture Nineveh in 612 BCE which resulted in the collapse of the Neo-Assyrian Empire. The Medes were subsequently able to establish their Median kingdom (with Ecbatana as their royal centre) beyond their original homeland (central-western Iran) and had eventually a territory stretching roughly from northeastern Iran to the Halys River in Anatolia.
The Median kingdom was conquered in 550 BCE by Cyrus the Great, who established the next Iranian dynasty—the Persian Achaemenid Empire.
Persian and Medes soldiers (Persepolis)
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Son Of Ra, of course you would support Mike after all you are a White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist like him. Yes White people = Non Jewish, Non Arab, Non Roma, Non Kurd, Non Turkish people of wholly European descent. Jews, Turks, Kurds, Roma, Arabs are NOT part of my people and NEVER will be.
Ohhh Mike look at the curly hair on that Gutian man, he can't be White, remember White people only have straight hair, ohhh and look at those big lips, White people don't have big lips remember LOL ROTFLMBO. You simply like to claim they were White simply because the Sumerians degraded them & to claim that Whites are not human & are inferior having no value.
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The name Armenian may be the result of Persian or Greek confusion of them with the Aramaeans of the Aram kingdom. Though most think the Ancient Armenians (not the current Turkish people), to have been from the Indus Valley, there is the possibility that they may in fact have been ethnically Amorite's (Aramaeans). Another very real possibility is that they were Colchian refuges, who because of the many invasions that land suffered, may have decided to move to safer lands in the south, where there was as yet no Whites.
Subjects of the Persian Empire, as shown by relief's at Apanada, the Palace of Darius the great at the capital of Persepolis.
Tigranes II (The Great)
An attempt to end the division of Armenia was made at about 165 B.C, when an Artaxiad ruler sought to suppress his rival, the attempt failed however, and it was left to his descendant Tigranes II (95 B.C.) to establish, by his conquest of Sophene, a unity that was to last almost 500 years.
Under Tigranes, Armenia ascended to a pinnacle of power unique in its history and became, albeit briefly, the strongest state in the Roman east. Extensive territories were taken from the kingdom of Parthia in Iran, which was compelled to sign a treaty of alliance. Iberia (Georgia), Albania, and Atropatene had already accepted Tigranes' suzerainty when the Aramaeans, tired of anarchy, offered him their crown (83 B.C.). And with that, Tigranes penetrated as far south as Canaan.
Armenian culture at the time of Tigranes was Persian, as it had been, and as it was fundamentally to remain for many centuries. The Armenian empire lasted until Tigranes became involved in a struggle between his father-in-law, Mithradates VI of Pontus and Rome.
The Roman general Lucius captured Tigranocerta, Tigranes' new capital in 69 B.C, but He failed to reach Artashat. But in 66 B.C, the legions of Pompey, aided by one of Tigranes' sons, succeeded in reaching Artashat. Tigrane was compelled to give up Syria and other conquests in the south, and to become an ally of Rome. Armenia thus became a buffer state, and often a battlefield between Rome and Parthia. Maneuvering between these two larger neighbors, the Armenians gained a reputation for deviousness. The Roman historian Tacitus called them an ambigua gens (“ambiguous people”).
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Son Of Ra, of course you would support Mike after all you are a White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist like him. Yes White people = Non Jewish, Non Arab, Non Roma, Non Kurd, Non Turkish people of wholly European descent. Jews, Turks, Kurds, Roma, Arabs are NOT part of my people and NEVER will be.
Ohhh Mike look at the curly hair on that Gutian man, he can't be White, remember White people only have straight hair, ohhh and look at those big lips, White people don't have big lips remember LOL ROTFLMBO. You simply like to claim they were White simply because the Sumerians degraded them & to claim that Whites are not human & are inferior having no value.
Doxie dear, Clyde is the one who says they're Gutians, I'm just saying that he could be right.
But yes, those statues certainly do depict mulattoes. But if you look at the map, that is easily explained.
As you know, or should know, your people are Central Asians: an area corresponding to modern Kazakhstan, see how close your people were to the areas in question?
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Doxie dear, ever since you got here I have encouraged you to forget the "Tea Party" nonsense of "Proud Ignorance" and research your REAL history as an Albino derived person, instead of falsely and stupidly claiming Black history. Are you beginning to see how much you have been missing?
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Mike you are an idiot, a White people hating, Kill Whitey, Black racist, Black supremacist idiot. We Whites did NOT come from no fricking Central Asia and we most certainly did NOT come from no Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan. We also are NOT derived from Albinos you stupid ass Black racist asshole. Where is the proof Mike, I want to see the genetic proof, the linguistics proof, the cultural proof, show me the artifacts Mike. You are the one who is falsely claiming White history. I have not been missing anything, please enlighten me on exactly what you think I'm missing out on Mike you stupid mealy mouthed, White people hating, heartless, lying, history stealing, Black racist son of satan.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Son Of Ra, of course you would support Mike after all you are a White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist like him. Yes White people = Non Jewish, Non Arab, Non Roma, Non Kurd, Non Turkish people of wholly European descent. Jews, Turks, Kurds, Roma, Arabs are NOT part of my people and NEVER will be.
Ohhh Mike look at the curly hair on that Gutian man, he can't be White, remember White people only have straight hair, ohhh and look at those big lips, White people don't have big lips remember LOL ROTFLMBO. You simply like to claim they were White simply because the Sumerians degraded them & to claim that Whites are not human & are inferior having no value.
Clearly you have terrible reading comprehension.
Or you're just not that bright. -__-
That 'lol' was just me agreeing with YOU. No sane person takes what Mike posted seriously. I only tackled one of your points since you thought 'white people' are limited to Europe when thats not true, just like 'black people' are not limited to Africa.
Now do you get where my post was about or do I have to spell it out for you. A 10 year old would clearly know my post was not about racism towards white people but correcting one of your flawed logic.
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: That 'lol' was just me agreeing with YOU. No sane person takes what Mike posted seriously. I only tackled one of your points since you thought 'white people' are limited to Europe when thats not true, just like 'black people' are not limited to Africa.
Now do you get where my post was about or do I have to spell it out for you. A 10 year old would clearly know my post was not about racism towards white people but correcting one of your flawed logic.
Translation: I'm not European, but I wanna be considered White too.
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: No sane person takes what Mike posted seriously.
Little Wannabe boy:
I have a body of work that many people do indeed take seriously. Whereas, as far as I can see from your posts: you are a little boy who still reads comic books, and knows nothing about everything else. May I ask under what auspice you make the above claim?
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Thesaurus and spell checker, I am impressed. Maybe they can read in West Virginia?
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Mike you are an idiot, a White people hating, Kill Whitey, Black racist, Black supremacist idiot. We Whites did NOT come from no fricking Central Asia and we most certainly did NOT come from no Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan. We also are NOT derived from Albinos you stupid ass Black racist asshole. Where is the proof Mike, I want to see the genetic proof, the linguistics proof, the cultural proof, show me the artifacts Mike. You are the one who is falsely claiming White history. I have not been missing anything, please enlighten me on exactly what you think I'm missing out on Mike you stupid mealy mouthed, White people hating, heartless, lying, history stealing, Black racist son of satan.
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Xyyman, Dude you had it right the first time LOL, I'm from KY NOT WV even though I have lived in WV (moved there from KY then to OH then back to KY LOL). Sorry White people hating Black racist BOY, I did not use spell checker (it constantly misspells words) nor do I own a thesaurus. No dumb racist boy we can't read here in KY, don't you know we don't even have schools here in hill billy land hehehehehe.
Mike the only one who takes your work seriously is other White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacists like Xyyman, Clyde, Kikuyu, Troll Patrol, Mena7, Nontruthhitman, Ironcocksucker, Marc, Claus, Djeuhti to name a few. No Mike we don't have indoor toilets we use outhouses LOL ROTFLMBO, dude I was being a smart ass. BTW, where's the proof i asked for & I'm still waiting for you to enlighten me on what exactly I'm missing.
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Mike the only one who takes your work seriously is other White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacists like Xyyman, Clyde, Kikuyu, Troll Patrol, Mena7, Nontruthhitman, Ironcocksucker, Marc, Claus, Djeuhti to name a few. No Mike we don't have indoor toilets we use outhouses LOL ROTFLMBO, dude I was being a smart ass. BTW, where's the proof i asked for & I'm still waiting for you to enlighten me on what exactly I'm missing.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Mike the only one who takes your work seriously is other White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacists like Xyyman, Clyde, Kikuyu, Troll Patrol, Mena7, Nontruthhitman, Ironcocksucker, Marc, Claus, Djeuhti to name a few. No Mike we don't have indoor toilets we use outhouses LOL ROTFLMBO, dude I was being a smart ass. BTW, where's the proof i asked for & I'm still waiting for you to enlighten me on what exactly I'm missing.
It's funny seeing this rubbish coming from a white supremacists.
As usually you type crap. Since you have nothing scientific to contribute. And when you do you are being exposed as a dumbass.
quote: ".. it appears that Europeans are about two-thirds Asians and one-third African."
--Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza (2001). Genes, peoples and languages. FARRAR STRAUS AND GIROUX Publishers
quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: That 'lol' was just me agreeing with YOU. No sane person takes what Mike posted seriously. I only tackled one of your points since you thought 'white people' are limited to Europe when thats not true, just like 'black people' are not limited to Africa.
Now do you get where my post was about or do I have to spell it out for you. A 10 year old would clearly know my post was not about racism towards white people but correcting one of your flawed logic.
Translation: I'm not European, but I wanna be considered White too.
HOLY SH1T!
TED CRUZ - Is that you???
I now go to our local arbiter of all things Albino - er, I mean White.
Doxie, is Ted acceptable?
I mean, Can he, will he, "Pass"?
Him and his daddy sure are crazy enough to be White.
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Troll Patrol I said nothing that is not true. BTW, a White person defending/claiming their history, their heritage, their identity, their homeland is NOT being a White supremacist you dumbass. Also a White person saying that Non-Whites are NOT White is also NOT being a White supremacist. You simply believe it so because you hate White people & wish to see White people eradicated from the face of the planet. I have never said that Blacks were inferior or anything of that like, like you and your ilk have about Whites.
Well Mike looking at him & his father I suspect he's a crypto Jew so no he wouldn't be White. Now where the heck is my proof I asked for & I'm still waiting for you to enlighten me on what I'm missing.
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Mike what the heck is a greaser? Only people I've heard termed as greasers are the guys from the 50's who used lots of grease to style their hair (IE the movie Grease) LOL. NVM I looked it up seems its also a derogatory term for a Mexican, new one to me LOL. Sorry but I don't use racist epithets such as the N word, or Ch***, or Ki**, or Be****, or Sand N word, or G***. I do use cracka & honky though. Besides why the heck would I use a derogatory term for Mexicans, I dated a dark skinned Mexican (Amerindian) LOL.
If Son Of Ra says he is Black then I believe he is Black until proven otherwise.
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If Son Of Ra says he is Black then I believe he is Black until proven otherwise.
He actually said before that I was an African now that I am something else.
See this is why I said no one takes him seriously. DHDoxies your problem is that you overestimate Mike111 too much when you could just be ignoring him like everyone else. Instead of limiting yourself to the Ancient Egypt section, why don't you try to engage some of the more sane members on the Egyptology section? Try to contribute to this website for a change. Make a thread...Educate us on European history. There somethings on European history that I dont know about and also somethings that interest me. Poster Truthcentric is WELL received on this site and he is white just like YOU. He made some good threads on here like these. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=007612 http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=008513
Why dont YOU prove your worth like he did. Contribute...Add more to this site. Become a more respected member and people will like you. Everyone knows Mike's nonsense is pseudo history. Ignore him and contribute to this site. Enter discussions and add your two cents.
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If Son Of Ra says he is Black then I believe he is Black until proven otherwise.
He actually said before that I was an African now that I am something else.
See this is why I said no one takes him seriously. DHDoxies your problem is that you overestimate Mike111 too much when you could just be ignoring him like everyone else. Instead of limiting yourself to the Ancient Egypt section, why don't you try to engage some of the more sane members on the Egyptology section? Try to contribute to this website for a change. Make a thread...Educate us on European history. There somethings on European history that I dont know about and also somethings that interest me. Poster Truthcentric is WELL received on this site and he is white just like YOU. He made some good threads on here like these.
Why dont YOU prove your worth like he did. Contribute...Add more to this site. Become a more respected member and people will like you. Everyone knows Mike's nonsense is pseudo history. Ignore him and contribute to this site. Enter discussions and add your two cents.
Actually I ASKED you if you were African.
But to the point: What have YOU contributed?
Answer (0) Zero!
It amazes me that a little nothing like you would have the nerve to try reverse logic on me. The reason that Truthcentric doesn't post here is because he has no answer for my false Albino history debunking posts, just like you don't.
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Son Of Ra, Truthcentric was only embraced because he was a self hating, race mixing, Black booty kissing, WINO with no pride.
Mike, maybe YOU ought to keep your mouth shut then if you don't like little know nothing turds popping off LOL, make that a White people hating, Kill Whitey, White people genocidist, lying, history stealing, know nothing, Black racist turd LOL ROTFLMBO. I for one don't like White people hating Black racists trying to erase my people from history like we don't/didn't exist.
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Yes Mike it means White In Name Only, in other words they would be what Blacks refer to as Uncle Toms.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Yes Mike it means White In Name Only, in other words they would be what Blacks refer to as Uncle Toms.
Ancient DNA Reveals Prehistoric Gene-Flow from Siberia in the Complex Human Population History of North East Europe
quote: Abstract
North East Europe harbors a high diversity of cultures and languages, suggesting a complex genetic history. Archaeological, anthropological, and genetic research has revealed a series of influences from Western and Eastern Eurasia in the past. While genetic data from modern-day populations is commonly used to make inferences about their origins and past migrations, ancient DNA provides a powerful test of such hypotheses by giving a snapshot of the past genetic diversity. In order to better understand the dynamics that have shaped the gene pool of North East Europeans, we generated and analyzed 34 mitochondrial genotypes from the skeletal remains of three archaeological sites in northwest Russia. These sites were dated to the Mesolithic and the Early Metal Age (7,500 and 3,500 uncalibrated years Before Present). We applied a suite of population genetic analyses (principal component analysis, genetic distance mapping, haplotype sharing analyses) and compared past demographic models through coalescent simulations using Bayesian Serial SimCoal and Approximate Bayesian Computation. Comparisons of genetic data from ancient and modern-day populations revealed significant changes in the mitochondrial makeup of North East Europeans through time. Mesolithic foragers showed high frequencies and diversity of haplogroups U (U2e, U4, U5a), a pattern observed previously in European hunter-gatherers from Iberia to Scandinavia. In contrast, the presence of mitochondrial DNA haplogroups C, D, and Z in Early Metal Age individuals suggested discontinuity with Mesolithic hunter-gatherers and genetic influx from central/eastern Siberia. We identified remarkable genetic dissimilarities between prehistoric and modern-day North East Europeans/Saami, which suggests an important role of post-Mesolithic migrations from Western Europe and subsequent population replacement/extinctions. This work demonstrates how ancient DNA can improve our understanding of human population movements across Eurasia. It contributes to the description of the spatio-temporal distribution of mitochondrial diversity and will be of significance for future reconstructions of the history of Europeans.
Author Summary
The history of human populations can be retraced by studying the archaeological and anthropological record, but also by examining the current distribution of genetic markers, such as the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA. Ancient DNA research allows the retrieval of DNA from ancient skeletal remains and contributes to the reconstruction of the human population history through the comparison of ancient and present-day genetic data. Here, we analysed the mitochondrial DNA of prehistoric remains from archaeological sites dated to 7,500 and 3,500 years Before Present. These sites are located in North East Europe, a region that displays a significant cultural and linguistic diversity today but for which no ancient human DNA was available before. We show that prehistoric hunter-gatherers of North East Europe were genetically similar to other European foragers. We also detected a prehistoric genetic input from Siberia, followed by migrations from Western Europe into North East Europe. Our research contributes to the understanding of the origins and past dynamics of human population in Europe.
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Coalescent simulations
In coalescent simulation analyses we considered the ancient populations of aUzPo, aBOO, Central/East/Scandinavian European hunter-gatherers (aHG [12], [14], aPWC [13]), and the modern populations of NEE, CE, and Saami (saa). Population statistics (haplotype diversity and fixation indexes, FST) for the ancient and extant populations were calculated in Arlequin version 3.11 (Table 2, [91]).
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol aka Ish Gebor: We show that prehistoric hunter-gatherers of North East Europe were genetically similar to other European foragers. We also detected a prehistoric genetic input from Siberia, followed by migrations from Western Europe into North East Europe. Our research contributes to the understanding of the origins and past dynamics of human population in Europe.
They are not telling you WHO those ancient Siberians were.
The Paleolithic art of Europe and Asia, falls into two broad categories: mural art and portable art. Mural art is concentrated in southwest France, Spain, and northern Italy. The tradition of portable art, predominantly carvings in ivory and antler, spans the distance across western Europe into North and Central Asia. It is suggested that the broad territory in which the tradition of carving and imagery is shared, is evidence of cultural contact and common religious beliefs. Some of the most well known examples are the so-called Venus figurines. One such figurine, illustrated here, is from the site of Mal'ta and dates to around 22,000 B.C. It is carved from the ivory of a mammoth, an extinct type of elephant highly prized in hunting that migrated in herds across the Ice Age tundra of Europe and Asia. Like most Paleolithic figurine carving, the image is carved in the round in a highly stylized manner. Typically, there are exaggerated characteristics such as breasts and (steatopygia) buttocks, which may have been symbols of fertility.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol aka Ish Gebor: We show that prehistoric hunter-gatherers of North East Europe were genetically similar to other European foragers. We also detected a prehistoric genetic input from Siberia, followed by migrations from Western Europe into North East Europe. Our research contributes to the understanding of the origins and past dynamics of human population in Europe.
They are not telling you WHO those ancient Siberians were.
The Paleolithic art of Europe and Asia, falls into two broad categories: mural art and portable art. Mural art is concentrated in southwest France, Spain, and northern Italy. The tradition of portable art, predominantly carvings in ivory and antler, spans the distance across western Europe into North and Central Asia. It is suggested that the broad territory in which the tradition of carving and imagery is shared, is evidence of cultural contact and common religious beliefs. Some of the most well known examples are the so-called Venus figurines. One such figurine, illustrated here, is from the site of Mal'ta and dates to around 22,000 B.C. It is carved from the ivory of a mammoth, an extinct type of elephant highly prized in hunting that migrated in herds across the Ice Age tundra of Europe and Asia. Like most Paleolithic figurine carving, the image is carved in the round in a highly stylized manner. Typically, there are exaggerated characteristics such as breasts and (steatopygia) buttocks, which may have been symbols of fertility.
That's true, but the time focusing frame is another one. Even their goal.
Our research contributes to the understanding of the origins and past dynamics of human population in Europe.
quote: Here, we analysed the mitochondrial DNA of prehistoric remains from archaeological sites dated to 7,500 and 3,500 years Before Present. These sites are located in North East Europe, a region that displays a significant cultural and linguistic diversity today but for which no ancient human DNA was available before.
We show that prehistoric hunter-gatherers of North East Europe were genetically similar to other European foragers. We also detected a prehistoric genetic input from Siberia, followed by migrations from Western Europe into North East Europe. Our research contributes to the understanding of the origins and past dynamics of human population in Europe.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Son Of Ra, Truthcentric was only embraced because he was a self hating, race mixing, Black booty kissing, WINO with no pride.
Mike, maybe YOU ought to keep your mouth shut then if you don't like little know nothing turds popping off LOL, make that a White people hating, Kill Whitey, White people genocidist, lying, history stealing, know nothing, Black racist turd LOL ROTFLMBO. I for one don't like White people hating Black racists trying to erase my people from history like we don't/didn't exist.
Then why the heck do you even come on this site??? Its clear that you are not well informed on most of the topics here and you really don't contribute to much. Why stay? Why stay with people who you say are black racist(not saying that there are none on this site...)? What is your purpose on this site? If you're proud of being white then why not join a white nationalist site??? Egyptsearch is not the place where we care about white pride...Or any type of pride. Egyptsearch was never even meant for that.
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It used to be renewed because it was making money. As was pointed out in another thread, this site only now gets 700 hits a day and is dropping. It doesn't make money anymore. It will be deleted since the owner (Sammy) will be making a loss if he continues to pay for the domain.
Regardless if traffic picks up, the site has become completely irrelevant since it has become a troll-haven with Mike111's "albino" BS, and then the spam threads from Abaza/White Nubian and his countless socks.
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It used to be renewed because it was making money. As was pointed out in another thread, this site only now gets 700 hits a day and is dropping. It doesn't make money anymore. It will be deleted since the owner (Sammy) will be making a loss if he continues to pay for the domain.
Regardless if traffic picks up, the site has become completely irrelevant since it has become a troll-haven with Mike111's "albino" BS, and then the spam threads from Abaza/White Nubian and his countless socks.
you may or may not be right that 7000 = sammy shut down
also question, did you make a post in this thread?
quote:Originally posted by Amur: The site has become completely irrelevant since it has become a troll-haven with Mike111's "albino" BS, and then the spam threads from Abaza/White Nubian and his countless socks.
If you can provide a better explanation for White skinned humans, please do so.
Of course you now have my notice, so please say something intelligent.
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Mainly Son Of Ra, I come here to defend White European history from the likes of Mike & his ilk, that they will not be able to attempt to steal it without it going unchallenged. As far as joining a White nationalist forum, I am a member of Stromfront but rarely post as I have been placed on permanent moderation for calling another member a racist. I admit I'm not very up to date on genetics. I never post in AE threads even though I read them to learn more about them. Besides the majority of the forum are Black and I'm sure they have no interest in White European history.
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Mike you dumbassed White people hating Black racist moron, I was NOT addressing you so sit down & shut your trap. BTW, White people have a history going further back than that you dumbassed Black racist jackass.
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