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In 1300's many Malians sailed to the Americas. Although, most Malians settled in Brazil, Mexico and built the mounds along the Mississippi River, some Malians settled in Florida.
Some of the Malians were Muslims. The best evidence of Muslims in North America were the Jamassee/Yamassee. In the picture below we see many Muurs wearing Turbans and Kufic hats fighting the British.
The Mongoloid Indians adopted many Muurish traditions such as wearing Turbans and using the Mande/Vai writing system to write their language. Here is a picture of Sequoyah to show this reality.
It is ironic. The Cherokee learned to farm , write and other elements of their culture from the Black Native Americans, yet today they claim, the only Black Indians, were their African slaves.
People will do anything to steal the history of Afro-American and Black people. Especially the history of the Muurs....
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: In 1300's many Malians sailed to the Americas. Although, most Malians settled in Brazil, Mexico and built the mounds along the Mississippi River, some Malians settled in Florida.
Some of the Malians were Muslims.
Any Malians who sailed to the Americas in the 1300s are not native Americans, they are foreign colonists. Native Americans go back for thousands of years
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The Mongoloid Indians adopted many Muurish traditions such as wearing Turbans and using the Mande/Vai writing system to write their language. Here is a picture of Sequoyah to show this reality.
It is ironic. The Cherokee learned to farm , write and other elements of their culture from the Black Native Americans, yet today they claim, the only Black Indians, were their African slaves.
People will do anything to steal the history of Afro-American and Black people. Especially the history of the Muurs....
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Clyde why are you lying and trying to steal from the Native Americans? Turbans related to the Islamic moors of North Africa are not Native American and the Moors did not introduce farming to the Native Americans, that is complete foolishness
The Cherokee Turban came to be from the fact that, in the 1600's, a group of Englishmen took a small group of Cherokee chiefs and warriors to England to meet the king. Just before they were to enter the throne room, the Englishmen decided that the Cherokee warriors were not dressed properly to be presented to the king. So, in looking around for something more appropriate to dress the Cherokee in, they found some old linen shirts from the time, and some turbans that were left over from some officials from India. They dressed the Cherokee in this attire to meet the king. They were allowed to keep these items when they were brought back to their village. Since then, other Cherokee, Choctaw, Shawnee, Seminole, and Chickasaw began wearing this type of head gear for ceremonies and Special functions. Since east of the Mississippi was a vast forest, it was not practical for the feathered war bonnets like the plains tribes had to be worn in this area. The turban was close to the head and light to wear. It also helps keep the head warm in Winter!
Seems That the Persons who infiltrate the people(remember these persons can influence the people easily to turn against each other) Can psychosis(Mental attack) them and make them change against each other.
Truth America was always Red, Black and Yellow, Then Out of mixing Browns came, The Vikings who were White(Some Even think some Vikings were Darker skinned but Majority were White)) were the 1st to come to America from Europe, You Never Heard of them fighting or that there was violence. They Did not seem to of Had a PROBLEM! They Chilled. There was no violence.
The Vikings were Fighting in Europe though. So The Persons were coming and they were probably heated cause of that.
Look at the Pharisees and Saducees how they were heating up people against the Apostles when they were trying to Save the People. Read this
quote:Acts 4:14 The People of the City were Divided some sided with the Jews, Others with the Apostles.
quote: Acts 14:1 In Iconium, Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the synagogue of the Jews. There they spoke so effectively that a Great number of Jews and Greeks Believed
quote:Acts 14:2 But the Jews who refused to Believe stirred up the Other Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the Brothers
quote: Acts 14:19 then some Jews came from antioch and iconium and won the crowd over. They stoned Paul and dragged him outside the city, thinking he was dead.
quote:Acts 14:20 But After the Disicples gathered around him, He Got Up and went back . The Next day he and Barnanbas Left for Derbe
quote:Acts 14:21 They Preached the Gospel in that City, and won a Large number of Disiciples. Then they returned to Lystra, iconium, and antioch
quote: Acts 14:22 strengthening the disicples and encouraging them, to remain true to the Faith.....More to read on the verse.
quote:Acts 14:23 Paul and Barnabas appointed Elders for them in each Church and, with Prayer and Fasting , Commited them to the Lord, in Whom they had Put there Trust
quote:Acts 14:24 After going through Pisdia, they came into Pamphylia
quote: Acts 14:25 and when they had preached in Perga, they went down to Attalia
quote:Acts 14:26 From attalia, they sailed back to antioch, where they had been commited to the grace of God for the work they had now completed
quote: Acts 14: 27 On arriving there, they Gathered the Church together, and reported all that God had done through them, and How he had opened a door of Faith for the Gentiles
quote: Acts 14:28 And they stayed there a Long time with Disicples
[Please, no more Xian proselytism, thank you]
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "Muur" is a dutch word meaning wall
Muur also an Arabic pronunciation for Moor. But I don't expect you to know this, with that little understanding of yours.
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The Mongoloid Indians adopted many Muurish traditions such as wearing Turbans and using the Mande/Vai writing system to write their language. Here is a picture of Sequoyah to show this reality.
It is ironic. The Cherokee learned to farm , write and other elements of their culture from the Black Native Americans, yet today they claim, the only Black Indians, were their African slaves.
People will do anything to steal the history of Afro-American and Black people. Especially the history of the Muurs....
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Clyde why are you lying and trying to steal from the Native Americans? Turbans related to the Islamic moors of North Africa are not Native American and the Moors did not introduce farming to the Native Americans, that is complete foolishness
The Cherokee Turban came to be from the fact that, in the 1600's, a group of Englishmen took a small group of Cherokee chiefs and warriors to England to meet the king. Just before they were to enter the throne room, the Englishmen decided that the Cherokee warriors were not dressed properly to be presented to the king. So, in looking around for something more appropriate to dress the Cherokee in, they found some old linen shirts from the time, and some turbans that were left over from some officials from India. They dressed the Cherokee in this attire to meet the king. They were allowed to keep these items when they were brought back to their village. Since then, other Cherokee, Choctaw, Shawnee, Seminole, and Chickasaw began wearing this type of head gear for ceremonies and Special functions. Since east of the Mississippi was a vast forest, it was not practical for the feathered war bonnets like the plains tribes had to be worn in this area. The turban was close to the head and light to wear. It also helps keep the head warm in Winter!
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LOL @ the defense mechanisms.
The Black Trumpeter at Henry VIII's Tournament
This image, an extract from the 60ft-long Westminster Tournament Roll, shows six trumpeters, one of whom is Black and is almost certainly John Blanke. All the trumpeters are wearing yellow and grey, with blue purses at their waists. John Blanke is the only one wearing a brown turban latticed with yellow. He is mounted on a grey horse with a black harness.
Westminster Tournament Roll (1511) By permission of The College of Arms, London
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "Muur" is a dutch word meaning wall
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These be the Muurs. Not negritos, but Muurs. Read on:
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Negritos share some common physical features with African pygmy populations, including short stature, natural afro-hair texture, and dark skin; however, their origin and the route of their migration to Asia is still a matter of great speculation. They are the most genetically distant human population from Africans at most loci studied thus far (except for MC1R, which codes for dark skin).
They have also been shown to have separated early from Asians, suggesting that they are either surviving descendants of settlers from an early migration out of Africa, or that they are descendants of one of the founder populations of modern humans. ___________________________________ See:
Kashyap VK, Sitalaximi T, Sarkar BN, Trivedi R 2003.
Molecular relatedness of the aboriginal groups of Andaman and Nicobar Islands with similar ethnic populations.
The International Journal of Human Genetics ____________________________________
A number of features would seem to suggest a common origin for the Negritos and African pygmies, especially in the Andamanese Islanders who have been isolated from incoming waves of Asiatic and Indo-Aryan peoples. No other living human population has experienced such long-lasting isolation from contact with other groups [
These features include short stature, very dark skin, woolly hair, scant body hair and occasional steatopygia. The claim that Andamanese pygmoids more closely resemble Africans than Asians in their cranial morphology in a 1973 study added some weight to this theory before genetic studies pointed to a closer relationship with Asians.
Other more recent studies have shown closer craniometric affinities to Egyptians and Europeans than to Sub Saharan populations such as that of African Pygmies. Walter Neves' study of the Lagoa Santa people had the incidental correlation of showing Andamanese as classifying closer to Egyptians and Europeans than any Sub Saharan population.
Multiple studies also show that Negritos from Southeast Asia to New Guinea share a closer cranial affinity with Australo-Melanesians. Further evidence for Asian ancestry is in craniometric markers such as sundadonty, shared by Asian and Negrito populations.
Genetic testing places all the Onge and all but two of the Great Andamanese in the mtDNA Haplogroup M, found in East Africa, East Asia, and South Asia, suggesting that the Negritos are at least partly descended from a migration originating in eastern Africa as much as 60,000 years ago. This migration is hypothesized to have followed a coastal route through India and into Southeast Asia, which is sometimes referred to as the Great Coastal Migration.
Analysis of mtDNA coding sites indicated that these Andamanese fall into a subgroup of M not previously identified in human populations in Africa and Asia. These findings suggest an early split from the population of African migrants whose descendants would eventually populate the entire habitable world. Haplogroup C and haplogroup D is believed to represent Y-DNA in the migration _________________________________________
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: In 1300's many Malians sailed to the Americas. Although, most Malians settled in Brazil, Mexico and built the mounds along the Mississippi River, some Malians settled in Florida.
Some of the Malians were Muslims. The best evidence of Muslims in North America were the Jamassee/Yamassee. In the picture below we see many Muurs wearing Turbans and Kufic hats fighting the British.
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Another great topic by Dr. Clyde Winters. thanks for keeping this place interesting still.
The Florida Muurs – Black Indians of the State of Florida
The young, powerful man in dark brown lacquered pearwood, the associated border on a tray tortoiseshell presents casual and supple Colombian Emerald level, is not a person in Africa, but an Indian.
Although facial features and skin color are those of a black African, but the body tattoos ethnological exactly shown have him as well as a Native Florida from, as well as the precious necklaces and bracelets, breast ornaments, the feather crown, the loincloth and footwear, in accordance with an engraving Dinglinger workshop were created...
At the behest of Elector August should this “natural wonders” in “Chur-Princely bull and tribal, to eternal Gedächtnüß” be preserved. Balthasar Permoser created for since 1723 in the development conceived Treasury Museum really original presentation of all possible means, the sculpture of a “Moor”.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "Muur" is a dutch word meaning wall
Muur also an Arabic pronunciation for Moor. But I don't expect you to know this, with that little understanding of yours.
show me any academic text the refers to the Moors as "Muurs"
show me any text where the pronunciation of a word replaces it's proper spelling
show me any text which describes the Arab pronunciation of the word "Moor" as "muur"
The word Muur comes from Muuritania, not Mauritania.
It is only the Europeans who spell it as Mauritania, or Moors, or Maur-(ice), or Muir, or Mohrs, etc.
Ask your people to make up their mind on the spelling of Muurs of Muuritania. It is not really our problem.
quote: Moor (n.) Medieval Latin Morus, Latin Maurus "inhabitant of Mauritania" (northwest Africa, a region now corresponding to northern Algeria and Morocco), Greek Mauros, mauros "black" (but this adjective only appears in late Greek and may as well be from the people's name as the reverse).
Being a dark people in relation to Europeans, their name in the Middle Ages was a synonym for "Negro;" later used indiscriminately of black Muslims (Persians, Arabs, etc.) but especially those in India.
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Muur relates to the word Mer (sea) because they were the first and only sea farers until the European pirates destroyed their entreprises.
Muur relates to the pilot or the navigator of a ship (to Moor a ship).
Muur relates to a navigator, a seeker, a faithful and a devotee.
That is why they were/are known as the Noble Muurs.
Muris of Senegal:
^^ The Mouride/Muri brotherhood (yoonu murit in Wolof, الطريقة المريدية, Aṭ-Ṭarīqat al-Murīdiyya or simply مريدية, Murīdiyya in Arabic) is a large Islamic Sufi order most prominent in Senegal and the Gambia, with headquarters in the holy city of Touba, Senegal. The followers are called Mourides, from the Arabic word murīd (literally "one who desires"), a term used generally in Sufism to designate a disciple of a spiritual guide.
The Mouride make up around 40 percent of the total population in Senegal. Their influence over everyday life can be seen throughout Senegal.
The Great Black Kings of Hawaii: President Obama proclaims King Kamehameha Day
HONOLULU — President Barack Obama is urging the nation to celebrate Kamehameha (kah-MAY-hah-may-hah) Day along with Hawaii.
Obama who is the first black as well as the first Hawaii-born president of the United States signed a statement Thursday proclaiming June 11, 2010, Kamehameha Day in honor of “King Kamehameha the Great,” the great black King of the Black Hawaiians before its conquest by American sponsored aggression.
King Kamehameha unified the Hawaiian Islands under one government. See his picture posted. View the video the Black Kings and Queens of Hawaii, posted on Rasta Livewire.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
The Black Trumpeter at Henry VIII's Tournament
This image, an extract from the 60ft-long Westminster Tournament Roll, shows six trumpeters, one of whom is Black and is almost certainly John Blanke. All the trumpeters are wearing yellow and grey, with blue purses at their waists. John Blanke is the only one wearing a brown turban latticed with yellow. He is mounted on a grey horse with a black harness.
Westminster Tournament Roll (1511) By permission of The College of Arms, London
stop spamming Clyde's thread, this is about Native Americans not Europeans, try to focus. So you know anything about Sequoyah? No zero, go look it up instead of wasting bandwidth
John Blanke ived in 16th century England, so what I have already put up John Blanke in other threads as well as at least 4 books on black in Europe, so stop wasting everybody's time by going off topic.
Try dealing with Clyde's claims, do something of value instead of hanging on my every word and putting up smiley faces
When I say anything you try to debate it automatically
but when other people put up bizare absurd theories you don't question it, you let it ride over and over again. That is why this forum is so thick with nonsense
Again read the first post, John Blanke has zero to do with it
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Oh Lionese, there are Muurs everywhere!!
Muurish Kings of Hawaii:
The Great Black Kings of Hawaii: President Obama proclaims King Kamehameha Day
HONOLULU — President Barack Obama is urging the nation to celebrate Kamehameha (kah-MAY-hah-may-hah) Day along with Hawaii.
Obama who is the first black as well as the first Hawaii-born president of the United States signed a statement Thursday proclaiming June 11, 2010, Kamehameha Day in honor of “King Kamehameha the Great,” the great black King of the Black Hawaiians before its conquest by American sponsored aggression.
King Kamehameha unified the Hawaiian Islands under one government. See his picture posted. View the video the Black Kings and Queens of Hawaii, posted on Rasta Livewire.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Oh Lionese, there are Muurs everywhere!!
Muurish Kings of Hawaii:
The Great Black Kings of Hawaii: President Obama proclaims King Kamehameha Day
HONOLULU — President Barack Obama is urging the nation to celebrate Kamehameha (kah-MAY-hah-may-hah) Day along with Hawaii.
Obama who is the first black as well as the first Hawaii-born president of the United States signed a statement Thursday proclaiming June 11, 2010, Kamehameha Day in honor of “King Kamehameha the Great,” the great black King of the Black Hawaiians before its conquest by American sponsored aggression.
King Kamehameha unified the Hawaiian Islands under one government. See his picture posted. View the video the Black Kings and Queens of Hawaii, posted on Rasta Livewire.
quote: Today the Garifuna live primarily in Central America. They live along the Caribbean Coast in Belize, Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Honduras including the mainland, and on the island of Roatán. There are also diaspora communities of Garifuna in the United States, particularly in Los Angeles, Miami, New York, and other major cities....
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The Mongoloid Indians adopted many Muurish traditions such as wearing Turbans and using the Mande/Vai writing system to write their language. Here is a picture of Sequoyah to show this reality.
It is ironic. The Cherokee learned to farm , write and other elements of their culture from the Black Native Americans, yet today they claim, the only Black Indians, were their African slaves.
People will do anything to steal the history of Afro-American and Black people. Especially the history of the Muurs....
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Clyde why are you lying and trying to steal from the Native Americans? Turbans related to the Islamic moors of North Africa are not Native American and the Moors did not introduce farming to the Native Americans, that is complete foolishness
The Cherokee Turban came to be from the fact that, in the 1600's, a group of Englishmen took a small group of Cherokee chiefs and warriors to England to meet the king. Just before they were to enter the throne room, the Englishmen decided that the Cherokee warriors were not dressed properly to be presented to the king. So, in looking around for something more appropriate to dress the Cherokee in, they found some old linen shirts from the time, and some turbans that were left over from some officials from India. They dressed the Cherokee in this attire to meet the king. They were allowed to keep these items when they were brought back to their village. Since then, other Cherokee, Choctaw, Shawnee, Seminole, and Chickasaw began wearing this type of head gear for ceremonies and Special functions. Since east of the Mississippi was a vast forest, it was not practical for the feathered war bonnets like the plains tribes had to be worn in this area. The turban was close to the head and light to wear. It also helps keep the head warm in Winter!
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This is bs. Carolina Indians who were not Muslim inspired wore feathers,as did Africans in Africa. The Yamassee were not taken to visit the English crown. They were mainly at war with the Europeans so they did not adapt this custom from the English.
You expect soembody to believe that the Yamassee and other Black tribes adopted this from the British, when they did not recognize the English culture as superior to their own.
You are the one lying. Islam was already here as proven by the Yamassee fighting the British. This Muurs, did not respect the British.
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: In 1300's many Malians sailed to the Americas. Although, most Malians settled in Brazil, Mexico and built the mounds along the Mississippi River, some Malians settled in Florida.
Some of the Malians were Muslims.
Any Malians who sailed to the Americas in the 1300s are not native Americans, they are foreign colonists. Native Americans go back for thousands of years
Mongoloid Native Americans are recent immigrants as well. The mongoloid Native Americans came from Siberia. The original settlers the Paleoamericans were Negroid people, phenotypically African or Australian.
As a result, the Black Native Americans are just as Native to America as the mongoloid people. .
Studio portrait from a daguerreotype of Chief Kiyo-Kaga or Keokuk or Watchful Fox or One Who Moves About Alert, wearing turban-like headband with fur or hair roach, multiple earrings, a cotton print shirt, multiple necklaces, a peace medal, bear claw necklace, and holds a staff, 1847
Saint Louis; Saint Louis City; Missouri; USA
Sauk people ___________________
Otoe man - 1896 Otoe or Oto are a Midwestern Native American tribe. The Otoe language, Chiwere, is part of the Siouan family and closely related to that of the related Iowa and Missouri tribes.
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Tsahizn Tseh, Apache 1906
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has nothing to do with Moors
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Studio portrait from a daguerreotype of Chief Kiyo-Kaga or Keokuk or Watchful Fox or One Who Moves About Alert, wearing turban-like headband with fur or hair roach, multiple earrings, a cotton print shirt, multiple necklaces, a peace medal, bear claw necklace, and holds a staff, 1847
Saint Louis; Saint Louis City; Missouri; USA
Sauk people ___________________
Otoe man - 1896 Otoe or Oto are a Midwestern Native American tribe. The Otoe language, Chiwere, is part of the Siouan family and closely related to that of the related Iowa and Missouri tribes.
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Tsahizn Tseh, Apache 1906
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has nothing to do with Moors
Long before this time you had Muurs in England, and ("expelled") deported to the Americas. You weirdo.
There plenty of evidence for this.ome of this was already shown.
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The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to native Americans
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to native Americans
Yes, it is an insult, you've been supporting when it comes to Africa/ Africans.
John Trumbull's 1780 painting George Washington also depicts William Lee
A French engraving, circa 1780, showing General Washington holding the Declaration of Independence. The black man with the horse, though not identified, may represent Lee.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to native Americans
Yes, it is an insult, you've been supporting when it comes to Africa/ Africans.
The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to Native Americans
and is an insult to Native Americans which I have NOT been supporting. fool Read it again
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to native Americans
Yes, it is an insult, you've been supporting when it comes to Africa/ Africans.
The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to Native Americans
and is an insult to Native Americans which I have NOT been supporting. fool Read it again
Yes, it is an insult, you've been supporting when it comes to Africa/ Africans. Read it again.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: [qb]
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to native Americans
Yes, it is an insult, you've been supporting when it comes to Africa/ Africans.
The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to Native Americans
and is an insult to Native Americans which I have NOT been supporting. fool Read it again
Yes, it is an insult, you've been supporting when it comes to Africa/ Africans. Read it again.
The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to Native Americans
and is an insult to Native Americans and that idea I have NOT been supporting. fool Read it again
As for Africans, it does not support Africans to make up false stories of how moors introduced civilization to the "Mongoloids"
That is racist colonial thinking
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The Washitaw Nation, or Washitaw de Dugdahmoundyah, is a group of Black Americans that claim to be a sovereign Native American nation within the boundaries of the United States.[1] Their name is taken from that of the Ouachita tribe,[2] who are also eponymous of the Washita River and of Washita, Oklahoma. The group was headed by Verdiacee Hampton Goston (a.k.a. Verdiacee Turner, a.k.a. Empress Verdiacee Tiari Washitaw Turner Goston El-Bey, ca. 1927–2014[3]). She was mayor of Richwood, Louisiana twice, in 1975–76 and 1980–84.[citation needed] She is the author of the self-published book Return of the Ancient Ones (1993). Goston asserts that the United Nations "registers the Washitaw as indigenous people No. 215".[2] In 1999, the Southern Poverty Law Center estimated the group had about 200 hard-core members, noting its popularity among followers of Moorish Science, an older black nationalist movement. The asserted legal basis for the establishment of the Washitaw Nation is a theory that individuals and groups may declare "sovereignty" and separate from state and federal governments, a concept earlier used by the Posse Comitatus. The argument is also made that Napoleon only sold "the streets of New Orleans and a military barracks" and that the rest of Louisiana was stolen from the Washitaw.[2] Various United States courts have held that the Washitaw Nation is fictional and that it is not recognized as a sovereign nation.[4] The Washitaw Nation is the accrediting agent for a diploma mill, the City University of Los Angeles
Dwight York (born June 26, 1935, also reported as 1945[1]), also known as Malachi Z. York, Issa Al Haadi Al Mahdi, Dr. York, et alii, is an American musician, writer, and leader of the Georgia-based Nuwaubian movement,[2] currently imprisoned on a 135-year sentence on child molestation charges and violations of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.
The Tama-Re complex in Eatonton, Georgia became the movement's new headquarters in 1993. The Nuwaubians now presented a narrative borrowed from that of the Washitaw Nation (a Louisiana Black separatist group led by an eccentric 'empress'), according to which they were Yamasee (a historical confederation of Native American nations in the Georgia area) as well as "Moors", based on a claim of prehistoric migration to America "before the continents drifted apart". At this point, the group called itself "Yamassee Native American Moors of the Creek Nation".[16] During the early 2000s (decade), York presided Tama-Re styled as "Our Own Pharoah NETER A'aferti Atum-Re," leader and chief mystagogue of "The Ancient Egiptian Order."[17]
In 2003, York entered into a plea bargain that was later dismissed by the judge, and then was convicted by a jury on January 23, 2004 – the judge having rejected his desire to be returned for trial to his own tribe:
"Your Honor, with all due respects to your government, your nation, and your court, we the indigenous people of this land have our own rights, accepted sovereign, our own governments. We are a sovereign people, Yamassee, Native American Creeks, Seminole, Washitaw Mound Builders. And all I'm asking is that the Court recognize that I am an indigenous person. Your court does not have jurisdiction over me. I should be transferred to the Moors Cherokee Council Court in which I will get a trial by juries of my peers. I cannot get a fair trial, Your Honor, if I'm being tried by the settlers or the confederates. I have to be tried by Native Americans as a Native American. That's my inalienable rights, and it's on record. Posts: 42920 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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Don't let the Passive Aggressive subliminal from lioness etc, Divide you Brothers and Sisters, whole reason she on the forum.
Just Remember Black, White, Red, Yellow, Brown has been 1 basically from the Jump.
Menes
ThutmosisIII
AmenhotepIII
Read About Abrahams Children
quote:Genesis 25:5-6 Now Abraham Gave All He had to Isaac But while He was Still Living He gave Gifts to the sons of his concubine and sent them away From his Son isaac
So Never be Divided. One Blood For Real.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: [qb]
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to native Americans
Yes, it is an insult, you've been supporting when it comes to Africa/ Africans.
The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to Native Americans
and is an insult to Native Americans which I have NOT been supporting. fool Read it again
Yes, it is an insult, you've been supporting when it comes to Africa/ Africans. Read it again.
The idea that Moors taught the American Indians how to farm and write is stupid and an insult to Native Americans
and is an insult to Native Americans and that idea I have NOT been supporting. fool Read it again
As for Africans, it does not support Africans to make up false stories of how moors introduced civilization to the "Mongoloids"
That is racist colonial thinking
How is this racist thinking. Mongoloid Native Americans in the United States were nomads. The only mongoloid Native Americans who farmed always lived in villages near Black Native Americans.
They became sedentary because they learned how to farm and raise animals like the Black Native Americans.
Washitaw Nation was not the first Black Native Americans to reclaim their Muslim heritage. Nobel Drew Ali, founder of the Moorish Scientist was also part Black Native American.
I grew up on 47th Street.On 47th Cottage Grove the Moorish Scientists had a Temple. It was here that I learned the Arabic language from these brothers.
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Clyde this is ridiculous nonsense. Not because I don't agree that there were black natives in America, but because of your insistence on calling them "Muurs". What the hell is a "Muur" other than some made up word by Iron Lion? Do you mean "Moor"? What the hell is a Moor in this context? No African Muslim calls themselves "Moors". Go to Africa and find me some. The word was a European name for black Africans, first from the Roman Province of Mauretania, then later black African and other black Muslims in Europe and finally any black in Europe, Muslim or Otherwise. So what does that have to do with America? If there were any Migrants from Africa in America in the 1300s they would have been a minority.
Beyond that people around the world have been wearing head wraps and turbans since before there was an Islam. So why is that something you think is special and unique to African Muslims?
Mansa Musa did not call himself a damn Moor and neither did the people of the Mali Empire. So where on earth are you getting this from? And how do you go from them wearing head wraps to all of a sudden the people themselves were Moors? Seriously? Black people in the Americas were descendents of black aboriginal migrants from Asia, many looking similar to Indians from India and dark tibetans. They were not "Moors".
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Clyde this is ridiculous nonsense. Not because I don't agree that there were black natives in America, but because of your insistence on calling them "Muurs". What the hell is a "Muur" other than some made up word by Iron Lion? Do you mean "Moor"? What the hell is a Moor in this context? No African Muslim calls themselves "Moors". Go to Africa and find me some. The word was a European name for black Africans, first from the Roman Province of Mauretania, then later black African and other black Muslims in Europe and finally any black in Europe, Muslim or Otherwise. So what does that have to do with America? If there were any Migrants from Africa in America in the 1300s they would have been a minority.
Beyond that people around the world have been wearing head wraps and turbans since before there was an Islam. So why is that something you think is special and unique to African Muslims?
Mansa Musa did not call himself a damn Moor and neither did the people of the Mali Empire. So where on earth are you getting this from? And how do you go from them wearing head wraps to all of a sudden the people themselves were Moors? Seriously? Black people in the Americas were descendents of black aboriginal migrants from Asia, many looking similar to Indians from India and dark tibetans. They were not "Moors".
You can't think. The term Muur or Moor, was used by Europeans to refer to African Muslims. Given this definition some of the people with Abubakari were Muslims.
Look at the evidence. You don't see any Indians wearing Turbans except among the Five Civilized Tribes. The Cherokee had a writing system that was based on the Mande and Vai writing systems.The Yamassee had soldiers wearing Turbans and kufi hats in addition to some Choctaw and Cherokee. The only people in the world at that time who wore kufi hats and Turbans were Muslims. The logical inference is that they were Muslims.
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Stop claiming the mongoloid Native Americans look like Mongolians. They have flat faces, but they do not resemble Mongolians in any other features
The Mongolians do not look like dark skinned mongoloid Native Americans.
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Stop saying the mongoloid Native Americans look like the Paleoamericans. Here are pictures of Naia and Luzia. Look at the faces they are not as round or flat as the mongoloid Native Americans.
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Obviously these mongoloid Native Americans have dark skin. They have the dark skin common Negroes because their ancestors mixed with Africans and Black paleoamericans.
Hrdlika (1-2) advanced the idea that the Paleoamericans were homogenous, a people that originated in East Asia or Melanesia. Other researchers were not so sure. Dixon , Imbelloni , and Rivet , did not see the first Americans as a unitary population from East Asia, they felt that this population was more diverse. Although there was controversy about the origins of the first Americans Hrdlika’s ideas prevailed and researchers accepted the idea East Asia was the homeland of the first.
using W.W. Howell’s measurements these researchers determined the PaleoIndians were of African, Australian or Melanesian origin. Melanesians and Africans have the same measurements. Howells using multivariate analyses, determined that the Easter Island population was characterized as Australo-Melanesian, while other skeletons from South America were found to be related to Africans and Australians . The African-Australo-Melanesian morphology was widespread in North and South America. The remains of the Black Variety have been found in Brazil , Columbian Highlands , Mexico , Florida , and even Southern Patazonia .
The Black Native Americans came here mainly by boat. The Melanesians settled the West coast, while Africans from West Africa settled along the East coast of the Americas.This would include SSA Muslims, or Muurs. Other Blacks crossed the Bearing Straits.
It appears to me that Sub-Saharan Africans and the Khoisan were the major Black populations in North America. In South America, the pgymies had the greatest influence. That’s why we see two different types of mongoloid Native Americans a smallest group in south America and a taller SSA type population in North America and Mexico.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Clyde this is ridiculous nonsense. Not because I don't agree that there were black natives in America, but because of your insistence on calling them "Muurs". What the hell is a "Muur" other than some made up word by Iron Lion? Do you mean "Moor"? What the hell is a Moor in this context? No African Muslim calls themselves "Moors". Go to Africa and find me some. The word was a European name for black Africans, first from the Roman Province of Mauretania, then later black African and other black Muslims in Europe and finally any black in Europe, Muslim or Otherwise. So what does that have to do with America? If there were any Migrants from Africa in America in the 1300s they would have been a minority.
Beyond that people around the world have been wearing head wraps and turbans since before there was an Islam. So why is that something you think is special and unique to African Muslims?
Mansa Musa did not call himself a damn Moor and neither did the people of the Mali Empire. So where on earth are you getting this from? And how do you go from them wearing head wraps to all of a sudden the people themselves were Moors? Seriously? Black people in the Americas were descendents of black aboriginal migrants from Asia, many looking similar to Indians from India and dark tibetans. They were not "Moors".
You can't think. The term Muur or Moor, was used by Europeans to refer to African Muslims. Given this definition some of the people with Abubakari were Muslims.
Look at the evidence. You don't see any Indians wearing Turbans except among the Five Civilized Tribes. The Cherokee had a writing system that was based on the Mande and Vai writing systems.The Yamassee had soldiers wearing Turbans and kufi hats in addition to some Choctaw and Cherokee. The only people in the world at that time who wore kufi hats and Turbans were Muslims. The logical inference is that they were Muslims.
Clyde, black populations were in the Americas prior to any black muslim migrations you are referring to. And why use the word Moor when Mansa Musa and his Mali Empire did not use it? Why not just say Malian muslims or just black Africans? Moor is not a term that Africans use for themselves. It is a European term not an African term, but you are using it here as if it is a Native Black African term. And it is not. To this day the black African Muslims in West Africa do not call themselves Moors. And turbans don't prove anything about contact with African Muslims prior to Columbus. If there was such widespread contact then where were those black African populations in America with black African names?
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Stop claiming the mongoloid Native Americans look like Mongolians. They have flat faces, but they do not resemble Mongolians in any other features
The Mongolians do not look like dark skinned mongoloid Native Americans.
MONGOLIANS
Where did you hear me say that the black native Americans were dark mongolians? I said aboriginal Asians similar to Indians from India and Tibet.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Stop claiming the mongoloid Native Americans look like Mongolians. They have flat faces, but they do not resemble Mongolians in any other features
The Mongolians do not look like dark skinned mongoloid Native Americans.
Where did you hear me say that the black native Americans were dark mongolians? I said aboriginal Asians similar to Indians from India and Tibet.
They don't look like South Indians either.
Note the facial features. This includes the roundness of the face.
Mongoloid Native Americans are not Black Native Americans. They are dark skinned mongoloid people whoes ancestors mixed with the paleoamericans, and later African groups that made their way to North America.
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Some of the Amazonians were probably Muurs. Pedro Hernandez, noted that within Peru
quote: "Beyond the Indians and the women are very considerable nations of blacks....The story these Indians told me is that these blacks have long beards like the Moors...They knew they were black because their fathers had met them" .
See: Harold T. Wilkens, Secret Cities of Old South America, pg. 213.
As you can as noted by IronLion, there were Muurs in South America.
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In A.D. 1312, Emperor Abubakari Muhammad , of Mali gave his throne to Mansa Musa and embarked with his fleet into the Atlantic Ocean in search of the continent opposite Africa. Archaeological and epigraphic evidence indicates that Abubakari, and or members of his expedition settled in pre-Columbian Brazil.
The Indians have a tradition that Mansar Akban was the leader of another tribe which discovered the Cunan people.This Mansar Akban, may be a reference to Mansa Abubakari, who led the Malian voyagers to the Americas.
The Manding lived in mounds along the Niger rivers. The mound cultures of ancient America were built by Africans primarily Manding. The people of the Niger Delta formed river riverine communities which were partly vegetation with some aquatic animals were eaten.
The ancient Manding built several types of homes. In ancient times they built masonry houses and cliff dwellings identical to those found in the American Southwest. In Medieval times they lived on mounds in the most watery areas in their circular huts made a stone and wood on the top and their fields in front of the mounds tilled each day.
The Malian people introduced their technology to the Americas. The Manding built dwellings depending on the topography . Near rivers they lived on mounds. In semi-arid regions they lived in cliff houses, like those found in the Southwest. Today the Dogon who trace their descent to the Mande live in identical dwellings as those found in Colorado ,where Manding inscriptions dating to the A.D. 1000 's have been found related to the Pueblo culture.
According to Cadamosto the Mali marines wore white caps on their heads and a white tunic. On the side of the skull-caps worn by the Malian martines, a white wing decoration was emblaxoned, and a feather was stuck in the middle of the skull cap.
On board each naval vessel stood a marine with a round leather shield on the arm and a short sword. Other marines were armed with bows and arrows .
Murphy reported that the Malian military wore a uniform consisting of sandles, loose fitting cotton breeches reaching down to the knees, a sleeveless tunic, and a white headdress of either cotton or leather, decorated with one or more feathers .
The major weapons of the Malian soldier included iron-pointed spears, daggers and short swords, wooden battle-clubs and the bow and arrow .
The Malians left many inscriptions in Brazil and elsewhere after they arrived in the Americas. These inscriptions are of two kinds. One group of inscriptions were meant to warn the Manding expeditionary force not to camp in certain areas.
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. Inscriptions in this category are found at Piraicaba, Brazil. Another group of inscriptions were left in areas suitable for settlement.
Once a safe place was found for settlement, the Manding colonists built stone cities or mound habitations. One of these lost cities was found in A.D. 1753, by banderistas (bandits). .
. Wilkins, reported that these inscriptions were found in the State of Bahia,Brazil by Padre Tellesde Menezes, in Marajo near the Para-oacu and Una rivers engraved over a mausolea. They tell us that the personage buried in the Tomb was named Pe.
The most startling evidence of Malians in Brazil , is the "Brazil Tablet", discovered by Col. P.H. Fawcett in an unexplored region near the Culuene river. The interesting thing about this Tablet, was the fact it had "African pigment" and features.
The most startling evidence of Malians in Brazil , is the "Brazil Tablet", discovered by Col. P.H. Fawcett in an unexplored region near the Culuene river. The interesting thing about this Tablet, was the fact it had "African pigment" and features (printed above) .
The personage in this Tablet was an elite of Malian colony in Brazil. Evidence suggesting a Manding origin for the Brazil Tablet are 1) THE CROWN worn by the personage on the tablet; 2) the Manding inscriptions inscribed across the chest and feet of the figure on the Fawcett Tablet; and 3) the evidence of breeches similar to the Manding style military uniform worn by the personage depicted on the Fawcett Tablet.
The decipherment of these inscriptions detail the burial place, and cause of death of a Mansa or Mande King. it appears that the Mansa on the Brazil Tablet" was named Be. It tells us that Be, was buried in a hemisphere tomb (i.e.,mound) .
The Malians in South America also built their homes on top of mounds. There major centers of habitation appear to have been Panama and Venezuela in addition to Brazil. In Brazil there are many megalithic structures that seem to have there prototype in Africa. For example, in Alagoas we find many stone monuments similar to those found in West Africa, such as stone circles formed by rocks placed vertically on the ground.
The habitation mounds in Brazil are called sambuquis. Some of the sambuquis, have radio-carbon dates going back into pre-history, while many of the mounds where artifacts have been found are related to the cultures of Venezuela, and have dates contemporaneous with the Malian voyages.
In conclusion the ancient tombs and Brazil tablet indicate that Malians probably landed in Brazil. This is a significant artifact because the elite on the Brazil Tablet, wears a uniform associated with Malian marines. The discovery of a Brazil tomb dedicated to Pe, may in fact be the tomb of Be, who is depicted on the Brazil Tablet.
References: G. R. Crone, The Voyage of Cadamosto, (London,1937) pp.57-59.
E. Murphy, History of African Civilization, (New York,1972) p.111.
Harold T. Wilkins, Mysteries of Ancient South America, (Secacus, New Jersey:Citadel Press, 1974), pp.40-45; and Branco, p.146.
Winters, C.A. (1977). The influence of the Mnade scripts on American ancient writing systems. Bulletin de l'IFAN, t.39, Ser.B ,Number 2, 405-431.
Winters, C.A.(1979). Manding writing in the New World--Part 1, Journal of African Civilization, 1 (1), 81-97.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Stop claiming the mongoloid Native Americans look like Mongolians. They have flat faces, but they do not resemble Mongolians in any other features
The Mongolians do not look like dark skinned mongoloid Native Americans.
Where did you hear me say that the black native Americans were dark mongolians? I said aboriginal Asians similar to Indians from India and Tibet.
They don't look like South Indians either.
Note the facial features. This includes the roundness of the face.
Mongoloid Native Americans are not Black Native Americans. They are dark skinned mongoloid people whoes ancestors mixed with the paleoamericans, and later African groups that made their way to North America.
Mr Winters please stop. You are missing the point. These people were from Asia and represented a type of Aboriginal population that is SIMILAR to those in places like India, Nepal, Tibet and other parts of Asia including the Pacific. These black Indians were not Africans. I know you say some things that are questionable but this takes the cake. All you had to say was there were black Native Americans here before Columbus and they may have had contact with Africans prior to Columbus as well which is simple and straight forward. The only thing you need is PROOF of African contact. Fine. But you jumped off the deep end as usual and went way beyond what is even necessary for any rational logical study.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Stop claiming the mongoloid Native Americans look like Mongolians. They have flat faces, but they do not resemble Mongolians in any other features
The Mongolians do not look like dark skinned mongoloid Native Americans.
Where did you hear me say that the black native Americans were dark mongolians? I said aboriginal Asians similar to Indians from India and Tibet.
They don't look like South Indians either.
Note the facial features. This includes the roundness of the face.
Mongoloid Native Americans are not Black Native Americans. They are dark skinned mongoloid people whoes ancestors mixed with the paleoamericans, and later African groups that made their way to North America.
Mr Winters please stop. You are missing the point. These people were from Asia and represented a type of Aboriginal population that is SIMILAR to those in places like India, Nepal, Tibet and other parts of Asia including the Pacific. These black Indians were not Africans.
No you are missing the point. The mongoloid Native Americans do not look like South Indians or Mongolian. Yes they have negroid features on a mongoloid flat round face but they are not Black Native Americans.
The visual information is in front of your face. The mongoloid Native Americans do not look like South and East Asians. They also do not look like Pacific Black Islanders.
Stop making up lies. The visual evidence does not support your conclusions.
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The Muurs of Brazil and the American Carolinas also wore similar headgear in addition to Turbans.
Here we see the Malian ruler compared to the leader of the Yamassee soldiers fighting the British. Both indivuduals wear the headgear associated with Malian marines.
This can not be a coincidence. It is further proof of the Muurs in Brazil and the United States.
The picture of Nobel Drew Ali, founder of the Moorish Scientists continued the tradition of wearing Muurish military garb going back to the Colonial period of the United States.
Dravidians or South Indians whose ancestors traded with the Portuguese
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Stop claiming the mongoloid Native Americans look like Mongolians. They have flat faces, but they do not resemble Mongolians in any other features
The Mongolians do not look like dark skinned mongoloid Native Americans.
Where did you hear me say that the black native Americans were dark mongolians? I said aboriginal Asians similar to Indians from India and Tibet.
They don't look like South Indians either.
Note the facial features. This includes the roundness of the face.
Mongoloid Native Americans are not Black Native Americans. They are dark skinned mongoloid people whoes ancestors mixed with the paleoamericans, and later African groups that made their way to North America.
Mr Winters please stop. You are missing the point. These people were from Asia and represented a type of Aboriginal population that is SIMILAR to those in places like India, Nepal, Tibet and other parts of Asia including the Pacific. These black Indians were not Africans.
No you are missing the point. The mongoloid Native Americans do not look like South Indians or Mongolian. Yes they have negroid features on a mongoloid flat round face but they are not Black Native Americans.
The visual information is in front of your face. The mongoloid Native Americans do not look like South and East Asians. They also do not look like Pacific Black Islanders.
Stop making up lies. The visual evidence does not support your conclusions.
Mr Winters you know what you said doesn't even make sense. Blacks are not limited to Africa. You know that right? I mean this is silly.
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