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i notice some people claim Phoenicians were black but is there any anthropology to back up this claim?
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quote: The Phoenician civilization flourished along the eastern coastlines of the Mediterranean Sea (the present-day coasts of Syria, Lebanon, and northern Israel) from approximately 2000 BC to 500 BC
"The Phoenicians likely referred to themselves as Canaanites."
The ancient Greeks were the originators of the term “Phoenicia,” which derives from an ancient Greek word (phoinikes) for the color purple.
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Ish Gebor is there any negroid skulls dating from 2000 BC to 500 BC from present day lebanon?
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"Phoenician" is a generalized term WE use to identify the ORIGINAL people of the EASTERN Mediterranean coastal area, AFTER they were forced into the northern part of same, by new migrants like the Hebrews. They called themselves by their CITY name, just like the Greeks.
There are seven pages (with artifacts) in the "Canaan" section here:
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this can be only confirmed if you can show me negroid skulls in Lebanon that date to 2000 bce to 500 bce
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: this can be only confirmed if you can show me negroid skulls in Lebanon that date to 2000 bce to 500 bce
You are obviously a pink assed little high schooler with a delusional sense of self. Nobody needs to prove anything to you little boy. If you want information, ask for it, humbly and respectfully. As to skulls, where is YOUR White skulls?
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To those actually interested in the answer to the question:
The Phoenician's are a group that All albinos fear to loose, because it causes their bogus histories to unravel.
The Albinos and Mulattoes of Syria and Lebanon claim their heritage. As do the Khazar Turks in Israel, so they allow next to nothing in the way of modern research to escape to the rest of the world, (similar to what the mulatto Turks of Egypt do).
That is also why questioner was so confident that skulls could not be produced.
However, work was done before the Khazar Turks shut it off to the world.
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: [QB] i already know about carthage and Hannibal being black this can be proven
what's the proof of that?
Carthage was founded by Phoenicians, yet you are looking for evidence of black Phoenicians
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: i already know about carthage and Hannibal being black this can be proven
but what about Phoenicia do you have any skull remains from lebanon that are negroid dating back to 2000 bce to 500 bce
this is a honest question i don't mean to offend
quote:the Khazar Turks in Israel, allow next to nothing in the way of modern research to escape to the rest of the world, (similar to what the mulatto Turks of Egypt do).
Which part of the above didn't you understand?
Anyway, I can't figure a way to make it any simpler: Oh I know, ask lioness. Yes, she will simply lie, but it will be a very simple lie.
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this is a honest question i don't mean to offend [/qb][/QUOTE]
quote:the Khazar Turks in Israel, allow next to nothing in the way of modern research to escape to the rest of the world, (similar to what the mulatto Turks of Egypt do).
do you have proof of this?
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Carthage was NOT “founded” by Phoenicians. It is a BS story made up by Europeans. Carthagians were built by indigenous Africans. These people of the ancient Levant, Carthage, Sardinia nad Estuscia aer from the same genetic and cultural stock. So they “appear’ similar. As Sergi, Coon and others pointed out through Anthropology, The original peoples of North Africa, Levant and areas of Southern Europe all came from the same “stock” start about 5000BC. All originating in Great Lakes Africa.
The genetic evidence emerging is now confirming these Anthroplogist were correct. Why? As Eva Fernanadez et al point out through aDNA. The vast majority current population of the Levant are NOT indigenous to the area.
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: [QB] i already know about carthage and Hannibal being black this can be proven
what's the proof of that?
Carthage was founded by Phoenicians, yet you are looking for evidence of black Phoenicians [/QUOTE]
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do you know any skull remains from lebanon that are negroid dating back to 2000 bce to 500 bce
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: this is a honest question i don't mean to offend
quote:the Khazar Turks in Israel, allow next to nothing in the way of modern research to escape to the rest of the world, (similar to what the mulatto Turks of Egypt do). do you have proof of this?
This is your last question, you are definitely getting on my nerves with your inane questions. Which I answer, only because there might really be people that dumb.
If the rest of the scientific community is busy trying to catalog the genetic and artifactual history of their countries, and the Khazar Turks who call themselves Jews produce nothing of the kind. Then it is safe to conclude that they do not want to divulge what they have discovered.Posts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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I am not joining because the question is infantile and a red herring as Mike pointed out. I am talking to the Lioness and his BS.
TP is a resident expert of skull types. take the lead from her/him. Tp can share inormation about the Natuffuians and such.
As for aDNA/DNA the original people of the Levant are best represented by the Bedoiuns. That is why they are included in ALL genetic studies of the area.
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Negroids are found all over the world. From Australia,, Melenesia, India and even some American Tribes etc. But are they African?
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I am not joining because the question is infantile and a red herring as Mike pointed out. I am talking to the Lioness and his BS.
TP is a resident expert of skull types. take the lead from her/him. Tp can share inormation about the Natuffuians and such.
As for aDNA/DNA the original people of the Levant are best represented by the Bedoiuns. That is why they are included in ALL genetic studies of the area.
xyyman - It seems extreme to make such blanket statements about North African history.
I personally prefer more nuanced history like this:
From RH: "As Carthaginian power grew, its impact on the indigenous population increased dramatically. Berber civilization was already at a stage in which agriculture, manufacturing, trade, and political organization supported several states. Trade links between Carthage and the Berbers in the interior grew, but territorial expansion also resulted in the enslavement or military recruitment of some Berbers and in the extraction of tribute from others. By the early fourth century B.C., Berbers formed the single largest element of the Carthaginian army. In the Revolt of the Mercenaries, Berber soldiers rebelled from 241 to 238 B.C. after being unpaid following the defeat of Carthage in the First Punic War. They succeeded in obtaining control of much of Carthage's North African territory, and they minted coins bearing the name Libyan, used in Greek to describe natives of North Africa. The Carthaginian state declined because of successive defeats by the Romans in the Punic Wars."
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The questions reminded me about a discussion I had(on ESR) with a poster on Ronaldo the Portuguese soccer player. This poster was hot and heavy about Ronaldo being white. At the time I was doing a piece on the Berbers of North Africa and their characteristic “features”. I have an idea, now, what a Berber look like. So I stated that Ronaldo looked like he has some Berber feature. I was ignorant on Ronaldo’s background at the time. Of course the poster thought I was nutzz. With A few google search I was proven right as usual. I wasn’t aware at the time he was labeled Nigz by some Europeans. That idiot poster could have done the same. Dogma!!!! Anyway, that is why I only debate my equals all others I teach. A few days ago while channel surfing I saw a piece on Ronaldo’s mother. She was a pale as any white European woman but carried the unmistakable trait of what I recognize as Berber. So the question is ..is she black, Negroid, African, European or all of the above. I saw what Sergi saw in these people.
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@ Mike. I exam the physical evidence first like, archeology, anthroplogy, genetics etc . I don't rely on books written by liars. I can''t read or translate the original text. So, where does that leave me? Believe a Liar? Not if I have other evidence.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: "Phoenician" is a generalized term WE use to identify the ORIGINAL people of the EASTERN Mediterranean coastal area, AFTER they were forced into the northern part of same, by new migrants like the Hebrews. They called themselves by their CITY name, just like the Greeks.
There are seven pages (with artifacts) in the "Canaan" section here:
Mike is 100% correct here. To be honest, from what I've read this seems to have been known for well over 100 years now. If anybody is trying to say otherwise they are history quacks with an agenda.
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BTW – Ronaldo mother is an indigene of the African Azores. She probably carries mtDNA L3.
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Does anyone here know if there is any negroid skulls dating from 2000 BC to 500 BC from present day lebanon?
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[Looks like indigene Africans having a dispute about territory. Ala AE and “Nubians”? There is no genetic evidence that “Phoenicians” occupied Africa unless they are one and the same people. They left no genetic trait. Same for the “Greeks”. There is no genetic evidence of Greeks dominating Africa unless the Greeks had an African substrate. Ala Africans fighting amongst themselves.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: :
From RH: "As Carthaginian power grew, its impact on the indigenous population increased dramatically. Berber civilization was already at a stage in which agriculture, manufacturing, trade, and political organization supported several states. Trade links between Carthage and the Berbers in the interior grew, but territorial expansion also resulted in the enslavement or military recruitment of some Berbers and in the extraction of tribute from others. By the early fourth century B.C., Berbers formed the single largest element of the Carthaginian army. In the Revolt of the Mercenaries, Berber soldiers rebelled from 241 to 238 B.C. after being unpaid following the defeat of Carthage in the First Punic War. They succeeded in obtaining control of much of Carthage's North African territory, and they minted coins bearing the name Libyan, used in Greek to describe natives of North Africa. The Carthaginian state declined because of successive defeats by the Romans in the Punic Wars."
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Looks like indigene Africans having a dispute about territory. Ala AE and “Nubians”? There is no genetic evidence that “Phoenicians” occupied Africa unless they are one and the same people. They left no genetic trait. Same for the “Greeks”. There is no genetic evidence of Greeks dominating Africa unless the Greeks had an African substrate. Ala Africans fighting amongst themselves.
There is no doubt of that, and I do not argue anything to the contrary.
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: Does anyone here know if there is any negroid skulls dating from 2000 BC to 500 BC from present day lebanon?
You're purposely being stupid aren't you? You can't use a poorly constructed classification of a group of people to determine that it surely defines them as a whole. Do ALL blacks have "negroe" skulls? Are all blacks "negroes"? To be black does one need "negroe" features? This is completely moronic scientific construction when you look at it for what it is. You ask for skulls, but what can that proove by itself? You guys always ask for this ambigious mess but you run from artifacts like paintings and documentation of descriptions.
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^It's best to ignore this fool. This is obviously a moronic version of the child's question: "Are We There Yet?".
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quote: The Phoenician civilization flourished along the eastern coastlines of the Mediterranean Sea (the present-day coasts of Syria, Lebanon, and northern Israel) from approximately 2000 BC to 500 BC
"The Phoenicians likely referred to themselves as Canaanites."
The ancient Greeks were the originators of the term “Phoenicia,” which derives from an ancient Greek word (phoinikes) for the color purple.
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: Mrs lioness bertholon and chantre both mentioned negroid skulls in carthage so you cant deny the negro presence in Carthage
the coin mike showed depicts Hannibal himself who is clearly a negro [/QB]
The Phoencians of what is now Lebanon founded Carthage. There they encountered North Africans.
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the coin mike showed depicts Hannibal
Why are you saying the coin Mike showed depicts Hannibal ?
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It'll always amaze me how Lebanon, Palestine/Israel, Gaza, and Sinai are on the African Plate yet not in Africa.
Negro is an obnoxious term. Genetics confirm Central/west African-like autosomes in biblical era Levant as discussed here on ES a year or so ago. Moorjani2011 Price2009
Lachish provides a snapshot of a very narrow time and site skull set (see Risdon and Keita).
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: That doesn't mean its not Hannibal either
you asked me why and i gave you the answer
unless you can prove that's not hannibal then i dont want to hear it
If threre is a coin depicting an unknown person or god why are you asking me to try to prove that it is not a particular person ?
That's like if you found and old chest and it was locked and you say to me "there's gold coins in that chest" and I say "how do you know that?" -and you say "prove that there's not gold coins in the chest" So if I can't prove that there's no gold coins in the chest you say that's proof that there are
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if "trasimene" was "X mark the spot" on a treasure map and if a treasure map said there was "gold" near "x mark the spot" then i will assume that there is "gold" in the treasure chest by the "x mark the spot"
you cant prove me wrong unless you open the treasure chest (proof)
Anyways Hannibals last elephant was an indian elephant named surus which is depicted on this coin
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be careful, the questioner. Afrocentrists paint with a broad brush when using the term "Black." It is a backdoor or "trojan horse" method to lay hold on history and legacies of Non-Africans; "culture-vultures."
Afrocentrists define race solely on a superficial trait, ie, black skin. They equate racially and indirectly an Asian with dark skin and a Black person (African) based on how they use the word "black." In order to effect this, ACs identify dark skin of Asians as "black." Thus they draw a link between dark skin people and Africans, racially. It's what I call, 'Afro-tricknowledgy.'
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quote:Originally posted by Real tawk: be careful, the questioner. Afrocentrists paint with a broad brush when using the term "Black." It is a backdoor or "trojan horse" method to lay hold on history and legacies of Non-Africans; "culture-vultures."
Afrocentrists define race solely on a superficial trait, ie, black skin. They equate racially and indirectly an Asian with dark skin and a Black person (African) based on how they use the word "black." In order to effect this, ACs identify dark skin of Asians as "black." Thus they draw a link between dark skin people and Africans, racially. It's what I call, 'Afro-tricknowledgy.'
Yes and albino's don't do the same **** with ancient civilizations, such as saying the Ancient Babylonians and Sumerians and Mesopotamians and Indus valley people were Nordic aliens or ancient lost whites, right you lying albino degenerate scumback?
I call that sheer albino stupidity and buffoonery!
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quote:Originally posted by Real tawk: be careful, the questioner. Afrocentrists paint with a broad brush when using the term "Black." It is a backdoor or "trojan horse" method to lay hold on history and legacies of Non-Africans; "culture-vultures."
Afrocentrists define race solely on a superficial trait, ie, black skin. They equate racially and indirectly an Asian with dark skin and a Black person (African) based on how they use the word "black." In order to effect this, ACs identify dark skin of Asians as "black." Thus they draw a link between dark skin people and Africans, racially. It's what I call, 'Afro-tricknowledgy.'
Yes and albino's don't do the same **** with ancient civilizations, such as saying the Ancient Babylonians and Sumerians and Mesopotamians and Indus valley people were Nordic aliens or ancient lost whites, right you lying albino degenerate scumback?
I call that sheer albino stupidity and buffoonery!
Present any current widely accepted scholarly work that purports Babylonians, Sumerians and Mesopotamians and Indus Valley people are racially Nordic.
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i dont disagree with everything an afrocentric says and i dont disagree with everything an eurocentrc says you can find truth in both of them as well as false hood
im not here to make friends or enemies im here to learn and find the truth
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quote:Originally posted by Real tawk: be careful, the questioner. Afrocentrists paint with a broad brush when using the term "Black." It is a backdoor or "trojan horse" method to lay hold on history and legacies of Non-Africans; "culture-vultures."
Afrocentrists define race solely on a superficial trait, ie, black skin. They equate racially and indirectly an Asian with dark skin and a Black person (African) based on how they use the word "black." In order to effect this, ACs identify dark skin of Asians as "black." Thus they draw a link between dark skin people and Africans, racially. It's what I call, 'Afro-tricknowledgy.'
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All you really need to know, is that even though some of those people use skin lightener, they all invariably call you: "WHITE DEVIL!"
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quote:Originally posted by Real tawk: be careful, the questioner. Afrocentrists paint with a broad brush when using the term "Black." It is a backdoor or "trojan horse" method to lay hold on history and legacies of Non-Africans; "culture-vultures."
Afrocentrists define race solely on a superficial trait, ie, black skin. They equate racially and indirectly an Asian with dark skin and a Black person (African) based on how they use the word "black." In order to effect this, ACs identify dark skin of Asians as "black." Thus they draw a link between dark skin people and Africans, racially. It's what I call, 'Afro-tricknowledgy.'
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All you really need to know, is that even though some of those people use skin lightener, they all invariably call you: "WHITE DEVIL!"
And you'd be amazed at the plethora of derogatory names they have for your ilk, Mikey.
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The point is tawk, you, like most Albinos, delusionally thought that Indians, Mongols, Turk mulattoes (aka Arabs), etc, identified with YOU, Wanted to be like YOU.
Haven't you noticed how often they try to destroy YOU, and everything associated with YOU?
As to the issue of Blackness:
Please note how these people were before you fuched with their minds:
The travels of Marco Polo ("The description of the world) translated by A.C. Moule & Paul Pelliot" (1938)
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