White people is a racial classification specifier, used mostly and often exclusively for people of European descent; depending on context, nationality, and point of view.
The term has at times been expanded to encompass persons of Middle Eastern and North African descent (for example, in the US Census definition), persons who are often considered non-white in other contexts.
You are posting old stuff. We have addressed these topics years ago.
Summary of the Argument of The Invention of the White Race
By its author, Theodore W. Allen.
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Europeans who went to North Africa did so to go and enslave North Africans
How did they do it in North Africa?
What do you mean, "how did they do it in North Africa"?
How and when did Europeans get slaves from North Africa?
They went there by boat, got stuck and got conquered. From there they were brought to Morocco where they had to work (enslaved). Many of them were paid for by western nations and got back home. The number that was propped us is utter nonsense. They ran in the thousands, not hundreds of thousands, let alone millions.
It’s obvious this Gregws individual is prone to pseudo babbles. Nothing Gregws claimed was backed up by actual evidence.
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Europeans who went to North Africa did so to go and enslave North Africans
How did they do it in North Africa?
What do you mean, "how did they do it in North Africa"?
How and when did Europeans get slaves from North Africa?
They went there by boat, got stuck and got conquered. From there they were brought to Morocco where they had to work (enslaved). Many of them were paid for by western nations and got back home. The number that was propped us is utter nonsense. They ran in the thousands, not hundreds of thousands, let alone millions.
you said
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Europeans who went to North Africa did so to go and enslave North Africans, like they did with West- and Central Africans.
Do you have any references where Europeans went to North Africa to enslave North Africans?
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Europeans who went to North Africa did so to go and enslave North Africans
How did they do it in North Africa?
What do you mean, "how did they do it in North Africa"?
How and when did Europeans get slaves from North Africa?
They went there by boat, got stuck and got conquered. From there they were brought to Morocco where they had to work (enslaved). Many of them were paid for by western nations and got back home. The number that was propped us is utter nonsense. They ran in the thousands, not hundreds of thousands, let alone millions.
you said
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Europeans who went to North Africa did so to go and enslave North Africans, like they did with West- and Central Africans.
Do you have any references where Europeans went to North Africa to enslave North Africans?
Yes, I have, but I want you to respond and answer my questions first.
Now look at it this way, what were Europeans doing in North Africa during those days, anyway?
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quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Washington State and California Mortality Studies.
Washington and California (by coincidence in the same lumber region) have conducted occupational mortality investigations that include workers in the logging industry as one of the occupational groups studied (11,12).
The primary source of material for the California study was the state death file for the years 1959-1961. Over this 3-year period, about 407,000 deaths among California residents were recorded.
This study used the subfile of about 199,000 white male decedents more than or equal to 20 years of age.
Information was collected from death certificates on occupation, industry, and cause of death coded according to the seventh edition of the ICD (13). The basic occupational coding scheme used was the Bureau of the Census Classified Index of Occupations and Industries as it was used for the 1960 census of population (14).
These white men freely choose to do that job. And got paid for taking risk during that type of job.
quote: “He looks like a man of the woods, but works at The Nerdery, programming for a healthy salary and benefits,” wrote Gear Junkie.
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While safety precautions have dramatically increased since the rogue days of 1900s lumberjacks, a macho attitude still pervades the trade. “They think they know how to cut trees because grandpa taught them how to do it," says Hinkley, "and that good ol' boy attitude keeps them from training."
And nope, not all loggers were white as you pretended. Many were Black. And the fact that the railroads have been laid and forests had to be cleared tells the long history of Black loggers, even when they didn't get paid during slavery. While white males did get paid. After the abolishment slavery Black males were forced into the Black Codes, which is a continuation of slavery based on the 13th Amendment.
quote: From: Munsey's Magazine, September 1894, pp. 604-10
The introduction of the railroad in lumbering--an innovation of late years--has proved highly satisfactory in its results; the work is not only facilitated, but it is carried on the year round, for the lack of snow no longer constitutes a hindrance.
quote:The Myers and Fosbroke study found no significant difference in fatality relative risk by race (white and black), which was similar to results from this study. 7 They found that the majority of logging fatalities (65.5%) were to a group of treefallers, limbers, buckers, and chokers.7
quote: The railroads were the most important industry that blacks ever worked in. Blacks worked more – More blacks were railroaders than were steel workers, were coalminers, were loggers, you pick the industry that African-Americans participated in railroading, and in a wide sense, more than any other industry. So this is the—the—African-American industrial experience.
quote: A majority of the African American loggers were originally from Alabama, Georgia and North Florida.
The People Like shadows of history, black sawmill workers and loggers in the area that is now part of the Big Cypress National Preserve and its environs, made a way of life laboring in fearful and dangerous circumstances.
Most of the loggers were white and black, but the steel gang that was laying steel was all black. More blacks than it was whites here in Lee Tidewater.
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The community was purely southern in every aspect with the African American loggers coming from the Deep South states of Alabama, Georgia and North Florida. The woods and swamps were not foreign to most of them.
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There were instances of injuries to black loggers that were either not treated or treated with less professionalism purely on the basis of their color.
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Black workers helped deforest the Big Cypress region from Naples to Miami, built railroad lines and a highway across the swamp, provided the wood that supported WWII and international industries, and accomplished it all under conditions as physically challenging as any job in America at the time.
quote:Dozens of the new Maxville citizens were African-American. The community had the only segregated school in Oregon and the black residents lived across the railroad tracks from the white residents.
quote:Maxville was a railroad-logging town. Because trucks were not durable or large enough to profitability haul the large Ponderosa pine logs out of the forest, the felled trees were skidded, using steam engines, steam donkeys, and field horses. Workers also used elaborate timber chutes to move logs. Company jobs were typically segregated based on ethnic origin. Black workers felled the trees in teams, using cross-cut saws, and many had experience as log loaders, log cutters, railroad builders, tong hookers, and section foremen.
quote: But African American lumberjacks who worked in northeast Oregon in the 1920s had other ideas. They gave a distinctive "whoop and a holler," says researcher and videographer Gwen Trice, whose father and grandfather were among the loggers.
Maxville itself, though it once contained this rich nugget of almost-forgotten Oregon history, now holds little besides one building and an old railroad trestle.
You are numb about American history, because you are right-wing TRASH. lol
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quote:Originally posted by Gregws: White Slaves After Lincoln Freed the Slaves.
please read, and be informed of the white male slaves in 1700s up to 1940s
Breakers were a frightening workplace for young boys and were often referred as an appalling place to be in. The environment was dark, filled with dust, loud from the sound of the running machines, and those who had higher ranks worked behind the breaker boys with bullwhips
They weren't slaves. They choose that job, or their parents forced them to make extra earnings for the family. And during those days there was not something like children-rights to protect children form child-labor, so that explains the exploitation.
This is from your own source:
quote: The mines provided jobs to an extraordinary number of people, and young boys were amongst the individuals to find work in these mines (Rothert, Otto A.).
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The long work days resulted in night school being the only option for breaker boys to obtain education. Materials provided for the boys were cheap and lacked good quality, and the teachers were underpaid and overworked. The low quality night schools gave the boys hardships to be studious and the inability receive sufficient education (Spargo, John).
Black boys on the other hand were born into slavery (hence Chattel Slavery), and didn't get paid, let alone received education.
After slavery was abolished we there was the Black Codes and Convict Leasing.
quote: Exploiting black labor after the abolition of slavery
By the early 1900s, nearly every southern state had barred black citizens not only from voting but also from serving in public office, on juries and in the administration of the justice system.
Here’s how it worked. Black men – and sometimes women and children – were arrested and convicted for crimes enumerated in the Black Codes, state laws criminalizing petty offenses and aimed at keeping freed people tied to their former owners’ plantations and farms. The most sinister crime was vagrancy – the “crime” of being unemployed – which brought a large fine that few blacks could afford to pay.
Black convicts were leased to private companies, typically industries profiteering from the region’s untapped natural resources. As many as 200,000 black Americans were forced into back-breaking labor in coal mines, turpentine factories and lumber camps. They lived in squalid conditions, chained, starved, beaten, flogged and sexually violated. They died by the thousands from injury, disease and torture.
quote: Between 1870 and 1930, thousands of white people, African Americans, and European immigrants came to West Virginia to work in the coal mines. African Americans migrated to mines throughout the state, but most of them came to work in the smokeless coal fields of southern West Virginia. What they found was the opportunity to build a better life for themselves and their families. By 1909, African Americans made up over 26 percent of West Virginia mine workers.
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About 75 percent of all black miners became coal loaders. African Americans preferred coal loading because it allowed them to simply leave the mine when they had loaded enough coal for the day. Coal loading also offered less direct supervision. Black miners usually did not see a foreman more than once during an entire shift. This was an important consideration for African Americans who came to the mines to escape the constant scrutiny of white people in the Jim Crow South.1
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Picking and loading coal was hard, dangerous, back-breaking work; however, it provided the greatest opportunity for the miner to earn good money.
When you read thought the page, you'll notice that scalping was done to the captured enemies during wars.
As per your own source:
quote: White men and natives alike were massacring and mutilating innocent people for a fistful of cash—and the thin, delicate line between civilization and savagery slowly eroded away. [/QB]
And I wonder do you even read your own sources?
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Just thought I will try to educate you to truth.
It's true, but you try to change the narratives into subjects that have absolutely nothing to do with Reparations for Black Americans.
Showing free white men fighting each other and warmongering each other has nothing to do with Chattel Slavery. The Enslaved Africans were still mistreated 10-times worse. Their entire bodies have been scalped.
This is your favorite source, from where you posted most of what you cited:
quote:Originally posted by Gregws:
The Abbé Emmanuel H. D. Domenech referenced the decalvare of the ancient Germans and the capillos et cutem detrahere of the code of the Visigoths as examples of scalping in early medieval Europe,[7] though some more recent interpretations of these terms relate them to shaving off the hair of the head as a legal punishment rather than scalping.[8]
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: To Scalp a white man alive was invited by Egyptian Pharos.
$60 dollars or pounds was a hell of a lot of money back in them days....
And Black people received non, with the exception of "some" cases. But it wasn't the norm as it was for whites.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: During Queen Anne's War, by 1703, the Massachusetts Bay Colony was offering $60 for each native scalp. During Father Rale's War (1722–1725), on August 8, 1722, Massachusetts put a bounty on native families. Ranger John Lovewell is known to have conducted scalp-hunting expeditions, the most famous being the Battle of Pequawket in New Hampshire.
"Queen Anne's war" was a war with Native Americans, you dumbass. Basically these colonialist received payment over killing and scalping Native American people.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Ramesses III In Battle
He grabs his enemies by the hair, where is the scalping? smh
Ps. have you ever been evaluated on your mental health by professional/ certified psychiatrist?
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Think Roman Religion, Mary standing over a white male.
What has the above to do with the 400-500 years history of Black Americans in the USA.
The Bible wasn't even written when they had circumcise in ancient Egypt and other parts of Africa.
The Biblical reference is a spiritual reference of what the biblical reference does. It cleans and protects
Since you posted a Biblical reference, I'll post some too.
quote: The Slave Bible, as it would become known, is a missionary book. It was originally published in London in 1807 on behalf of the Society for the Conversion of Negro Slaves, an organization dedicated to improving the lives of enslaved Africans toiling in Britain’s lucrative Caribbean colonies. They used the Slave Bible to teach enslaved Africans how to read while at the same time introducing them to the Christian faith. Unlike other missionary Bibles, however, the Slave Bible contained only “select parts” of the biblical text. Its publishers deliberately removed portions of the biblical text, such as the exodus story, that could inspire hope for liberation. Instead, the publishers emphasized portions that justified and fortified the system of slavery that was so vital to the British Empire.
This unique artifact-in-focus exhibition, The Slave Bible: Let the Story Be Told, is presented by Museum of the Bible with the cooperation of Fisk University and the Center for the Study of African American Religious Life at the National Museum of African American History and Culture. Drawing upon new research into its origins and use among enslaved Africans in the Caribbean, this exhibition tells a story of how time and place shape the way people understand and use the Bible.
You will also have an opportunity to join the ongoing conversation about the Slave Bible in the exhibition’s response area. The exhibition grapples with this rare artifact’s implications for our understanding of the Bible’s role in slavery and the struggle for freedom.
The above describe an extreme form of cognitive dissonance of an uncircumcised heart. And the following tells you the prophecy.
quote: Acts 7:6 “God said Abraham's descendants would live for a while in a foreign land. There they would be slaves and would be mistreated 400 years.”
quote: Acts 7:7 “And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.”
quote: Deuteronomy 28:68 65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: 66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: 67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: White people cry as they are under paid for hard labor, and bad food and medicine.
Rockefeller calls in US Troops and they kill some of the slaves and burn down their tents and log cabins.
The Ludlow Massacre was a domestic massacre resulting from strike-breaking. The Colorado National Guard and Colorado Fuel and Iron Company guards attacked a tent colony of 1,200 striking coal miners and their families in Ludlow, Colorado, on April 20, 1914, with the National Guard using machine guns to fire into the colony. Approximately 21 people, including miners' wives and children, were killed. The chief owner of the mine, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., was widely excoriated for having orchestrated the massacre.[5][6]
quote:The massacre, the seminal event of the Colorado Coal Wars, resulted in the deaths of an estimated 21 people; accounts vary.[7][6] Ludlow was the deadliest single incident in the southern Colorado Coal Strike, which lasted from September 1913 to December 1914.
Congress responded to public outrage by directing the House Committee on Mines and Mining to investigate the events.[10] Its report, published in 1915, was influential in promoting child labor laws and an eight-hour work day.
In retaliation for the massacre at Ludlow, the miners armed themselves and attacked dozens of anti-union establishments over the next ten days, destroying property and engaging in several skirmishes with the Colorado National Guard along a 40-mile front from Trinidad to Walsenburg.[5]
Q: Do you think Black people had the right to go on strikes during the Jim Crow era, let alone go and attack these companies?
Btw, how did these coal-mining companies accumulate their wealth? I mean how was the startup funded?
quote: Ludlow Massacre, attack on striking coal miners and their families by the Colorado National Guard and Colorado Fuel and Iron Company guards at Ludlow, Colorado, on April 20, 1914, resulting in the deaths of 25 people, including 11 children.
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The striking miners were a polyglot of ethnicities, including a large number of Greeks and Italians.
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In retaliation for the massacre, miners attacked antiunion town officials, strikebreakers, and the mines, taking control of an area about 50 miles long and 5 miles wide. As many as 50 people died during the reaction to the Ludlow Massacre. Fearing a further escalation of violence, U.S. President Woodrow Wilson sent in federal troops to restore order. Unlike the National Guard, the federal troops were impartial and kept strikebreakers out of the coal mines. The strike ended on December 10, 1914.
While the workers got little in the way of tangible benefits from their strike, the UMWA gained 4,000 new members.
It's awful, but by far doesn't equate to the many massacres of the Black experiences during the whole course of American history, where all wealth was confiscated. No investigations, nobody was brought to justice and there was no tangible benefits aka Reparations. Things were taken from Black people they actually worked hard for. During it 1920s it became so horrible about 6 million Black Americans had to flee up North, there they became victims once more by white terrorists.
Now, when we go even deep into this we see:
quote: In 1918 a monument was erected to commemorate those who died during the strike. These individuals all died in the Ludlow Massacre, and are inscribed on the monument as follows:
Louis Tikas, age: 30 years James Fyler, age: 43 years John Bartolotti, age: 45 years Charlie Costa, age: 31 years Fedelina Costas, age: 27 years Onafrio Costa, age: 4 years Frank Rubino, age: 23 years Patria Valdez, age: 37 years Eulala Valdez, age: 8 years Mary Valdez, age: 7 years Elvira Valdez, age: 3 months Joe Petrucci, age: 4 ˝ years Lucy Petrucci, age: 2 ˝ years Frank Petrucci, age: 4 months William Snyder Jr, age: 11 years Rodgerlo Pedregone, age: 6 years Cloriva Pedregone, age: 4 year
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: I must of made a miss quoted on 5000 died from logging timber, in the last year. The 5000 was for all work place deaths in the US.
Yeah, logging is a dangerous job. One is free to choose to do so as we have seen. People get paid for doing this job. These are usually Red States. Red States are relatively cheap to live at, especially with the inhered Headright System and Homestead Act.
quote: “Many more soon realized that the G.I. Bill had been constructed in such a way that most of its benefits—including mortgage support, college tuition, and business loans—could be denied to them. Racial violence spiked.”
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: what were Europeans doing in North Africa during those days, anyway?
what century are you talking about when you say "in those days"
This thread is about Reparations and the crazy suggestion by Cory Booker’s baby bonds that he claims will nearly close the racial wealth gap for young adults. Not about how what century Europeans went to North Africa trying to enslave them, got caught and put in slavery themselves.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: what were Europeans doing in North Africa during those days, anyway?
what century are you talking about when you say "in those days"
This thread is about Reparations and the crazy suggestion by Cory Booker’s baby bonds that he claims will nearly close the racial wealth gap for young adults. Not about how what century Europeans went to North Africa trying to enslave them, got caught and put in slavery themselves.
Forty2Tribes brought up an Ann coulter remark about Reparations
but it was you that brought up
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Europeans who went to North Africa did so to go and enslave North Africans, like they did with West- and Central Africans.
and now you're saying Europeans went to North Africa trying to enslave them. What is your reference that Europeans went to North Africa to enslave them?
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: the crazy suggestion by Cory Booker’s baby bonds that he claims will nearly close the racial wealth gap for young adults.
True that seems like a big exaggeration in the headline of the Vox article
but that's not what's important
The important thing was that this was a candidate who had a specific economic plan for reducing the wealth gap. Unfortunately he has dropped out of the presidential race.
As far as reparations go, the subject was brought up to some presidential candidates a few months ago and the ADOS movement was stirring.
But I've been watching the debates and reparations is not being brought up and I'm not seeing the ADOS movement gaining popularity
Cory Booker's baby bonds was less controversial and may have been something that a candidate who became president might have been able to turn into policy. And it might have been able to reduce a little the racial income gap. Compare that to someone who would not reduce it at all or increase it
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: and now you're saying Europeans went to North Africa trying to enslave them. What is your reference that Europeans went to North Africa to enslave them?
Why are you still lying about this, when this thread is about Black Americans reparations for the damage that as done for centuries? Why are you concerned with North Africa and a few white males that were captured centuries ago in North Africa? smh
Reparations is the now a debt that is owed to Black America, over the tragedies that still effect the "native" Black community (#ADOS/ #FBA) in the USA.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: True that seems like a big exaggeration in the headline of the Vox article
but that's not what's important
The important thing was that this was a candidate who had a specific economic plan for reducing the wealth gap. Unfortunately he has dropped out of the presidential race.
He has dropped out because he's an idiot. No sane Black person was going to vote for him and his baby bond nonsense. His plan would not close the "RACIAL economic plan for reducing the wealth gap". Because it is not specific to the people who have been marginalized the most for centuries.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: As far as reparations go, the subject was brought up to some presidential candidates a few months ago and the ADOS movement was stirring.
Yes, but Marianne Williamson was halfwitted as well, that is what many people felt like when she started to speak. She was the only one who truly wanted to put this in action, while others still don't get it or have a very toxic past like Mike Bloomberg who helped to put Black males in jail with cannabis laws.
Andrew Yang wants to give "everybody" 1000 dollars extras if that will close the racial wealth gap, the wealth that was stolen from Black Americans.
The same with Bernie Sanders (who I favored last time), then we have Elizabeth Warren who also doesn't get it. She thinks that the LBTQ deserve reparations over Black Americans who fought and died for civil right laws. Joe Biden is the originator of the crime Bill who is the father of a large part the racial disparity
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Cory Booker's baby bonds was less controversial and may have been something that a candidate who became president might have been able to turn into policy. And it might have been able to reduce a little the racial income gap. Compare that to someone who would not reduce it at all or increase it
The Black Authority completely dismantled Cory Booger.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: and now you're saying Europeans went to North Africa trying to enslave them. What is your reference that Europeans went to North Africa to enslave them?
Why are you still lying about this, when this thread is about Black Americans reparations for the damage that as done for centuries? Why are you concerned with North Africa and a few white males that were captured centuries ago in North Africa? smh
I created this thread. It's about the specific Cory Booker baby bonds plan. Either the plan was good or it was bad. It could still be a good plan even if it does not close the racial income gap it could have reduced it.
I deal with realpolitik meaning the reality is Trump or someone else is going to to be the next U.S. president and anybody who is eligible to vote could have some influence on this.
I replied to Forty2Tribes posting that Ann Coulter saying she supported reparations and mentioning her along with Claude Anderson was a trick of Coulter's because Claude Anderson meant reparations for black people but she meant for white people and using a Thomas Sowell quote - and also pertaining to Europeans not as much their American descendants
And now you are telling lies about Europeans going into North Africa to enslave Africans when in reality it was Barbary pirates from North Africa, Ottomans and their African armies as well as Moroccans who took ships and raided European villages and ships to take thousands of Europeans as slaves which you call a few. So stop the nonsense, you are the liar here
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I created this thread. It's about the specific Cory Booker baby bonds plan. Either the plan was good or it was bad. It could still be a good plan even if it does not close the racial income gap it could have reduced it.
Explain how it's going to close the racial wealth gap of 1/16? And how will that boost economic development for Black people? The economic development that has been marginalized every time they tried to built their community
quote: I deal with realpolitik meaning the reality is Trump or someone else is going to to be the next U.S. president and anybody who is eligible to vote could have some influence on this.
Why has every president till now ignored the Black community, when it comes to economic development and empowerment for the Black community?
quote: I replied to Forty2Tribes posting that Ann Coulter saying she supported reparations and mentioning her along with Claude Anderson was a trick of Coulter's because Claude Anderson meant reparations for black people but she meant for white people and using a Thomas Sowell quote - and also pertaining to Europeans not as much their American descendants
I heard her interview, where she stated that Black people the descendants of slaves need to be compensated. So I don't know where you got hat from. Btw, white people have been compensated, so that with be a misnomer.
quote: And now you are telling lies about Europeans going into North Africa to enslave Africans when in reality it was Barbary pirates from North Africa, Ottomans and their African armies as well as Moroccans who took ships and raided European villages and ships to take thousands of Europeans as slaves which you call a few. So stop the nonsense, you are the liar here
Nope, I am not telling lies. Barbary pirates did exist, but that only a small part of the history. Many of the enslaved Europeans were males who were send to imprisonment in Morocco It was shown in a documentary about slavery, the Trans Atlantic Slavery.
You are worried more about this, than anything else here.
Don't worry, most of these people went back to their home country, because these government paid for them to come back. So basically in todays terms we can say they been held for ransom.
quote:Het buysschip de twee gebroeders Capteyn Gerrit met Zon van den Algerijns genomen de 24 juny 1814 in slaverij geweest 26 maanden
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Nope, I am not telling lies. Barbary pirates did exist, but that only a small part of the history. Many of the enslaved Europeans were males who were send to imprisonment in Morocco It was shown in a documentary about slavery, the Trans Atlantic Slavery.
______________ lie #1
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Europeans who went to North Africa did so to go and enslave North Africans, like they did with West- and Central Africans.
lie #2
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
a few white males that were captured...
Barbary pirates did exist, but that only a small part of the history.
tens of thousands not a few.
You try to minimize this, it's wrong and racially biased.
lie #3
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Don't worry, most of these people went back to their home country, because these government paid for them to come back. So basically in todays terms we can say they been held for ransom.
slave traders from Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli Europeans in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th (these numbers do not include the European people who were enslaved by Morocco and by other raiders and traders of the Mediterranean Sea coast).
that time period is around 300 years and you have no reference for "most" returned
Most Christian slaves were kept in dungeons, whipped, burned and compelled to work 15-hour days until they expired. A few were ransomed for enormous sums. One secured her release for Ł1,392, more than most Londoners earned in a lifetime.
lie #4
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
They went there by boat, got stuck and got conquered. From there they were brought to Morocco where they had to work (enslaved).
^ More made up bullshit and racially motivated attempt to minimize. .
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
He has dropped out because he's an idiot. No sane Black person was going to vote for him and his baby bond nonsense.
(Cory Booker)
I heard her interview, where she stated that Black people the descendants of slaves need to be compensated.
(Ann Coulter)
I had no intention of talking about Europeans being enslaved in North Africa but here you are saying that no sane person would vote for Cory Booker yet at the same time taking something seriously said by this Trump supporting right wing fool Ann Coulter.
At least in America there were two AAs and an Asian running for president. Compare that to your country
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If it was true it would have shown in population genetic studies, which it doesn't.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: lie #2 tens of thousands not a few.
You try to minimize this, it's wrong and racially biased.
Nope! lol
If it was in the millions, where are the genetic markers? Where is that genetic print? I mean all these imaginary back migrations that supposedly have been traced back to tens of thousands of years, but a simple STR of a few generations can't be traced?
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: lie #3
slave traders from Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli Europeans in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th (these numbers do not include the European people who were enslaved by Morocco and by other raiders and traders of the Mediterranean Sea coast).
that time period is around 300 years and you have no reference for "most" returned
Most Christian slaves were kept in dungeons, whipped, burned and compelled to work 15-hour days until they expired. A few were ransomed for enormous sums. One secured her release for Ł1,392, more than most Londoners earned in a lifetime.
Nope! lol
Below is archived evidence. And this was common. Put into slavery by Algerians 24 juny 1814 and bought out of slavery after 26 months. These white people when to the soars of North Africa with what was called buysschip with turks (cannons). In English it's called "Herring buss". The word Herring is probable derived from haring (a fish type). People like Michiel de Ruyter and Liederkerke had delegations mission to free these people by paying ransom money.
De Slavernij Deel1 - Een wereld vol slaven. (Slavery part 1, a world of with slaves)
The type of ships that was used to get to North Africa, and perhaps other parts of Africa.
quote: A herring buss (Dutch: Haringbuis) was a type of seagoing fishing vessel, mostly used by Dutch and Flemish herring fishermen in the 15th through early 19th centuries.
The buss ship type has a long history. It was already known around the time of the Crusades in the Mediterranean as a cargo vessel (called buzza, bucia or bucius), and we see it around 1000 AD as a more robust development of the Viking longship in Scandinavia, known as a bǘza. The Dutch Buis was probably developed from this Scandinavian ship type.
If you need references to more I suggest you look up the Sultan of Meknes, Morocco. Sultan Ismail Ibn Sharif. And Illig (Souss-Massa-Draa / Morocco).
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: lie #4 More made up bullshit and racially motivated attempt to minimize.
Nope! lol
Reread the previous answer.
They went there themselves to North Africa first. Sorry, but that is the history. And many/ most were bought out of the captivity and returned to Europe.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I had no intention of talking about Europeans being enslaved in North Africa but …
I didn't start with "Europeans being enslaved in North Africa", it was Gregws with all that pseudo babble. And I didn't denial that no Europeans have been raided. I said Europeans went to North Africa first, by themselves.
quote:here you are saying that no sane person would vote for Cory Booker yet at the same time taking something seriously said by this Trump supporting right wing fool Ann Coulter.
I didn't write "no sane person", I wrote "no sane Black person" would vote for Cory Booger.
The idiot started rambling about LBTQ issues when addressing racial issues that have effected Black Americans for hundreds of years. Resulting in horrible socioeconomic conditions for the vast majority of Black America.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Forty2Tribes brought up an Ann coulter remark about Reparations
but it was you that brought up
Nope, that is another lie. I didn't bring it up. It was you who brought it up Ann coulter. I only mentioned Ann Coulter, after you did.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I created this thread. It's about the specific Cory Booker baby bonds plan. Either the plan was good or it was bad. It could still be a good plan even if it does not close the racial income gap it could have reduced it.
Explain how it's going to close the racial wealth gap of 1/16? And how will that boost economic development for Black people? The economic development that has been marginalized every time they tried to built their community.
Cory Booger's baby bounds was for "everybody". Meaning it will not help Black people specifically out of the disparaged condition they have been put in specifically with laws, legislation and Acts that targeted them specifically.
Apparently you try to minimize the horrible experiences of Black America that have been going on till this day.
I notice you argue vey little to not at all with Gregws, over much of the pseudo nonsense that is being claimed.
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quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Quoted: Btw, how did these coal-mining companies accumulate their wealth? I mean how was the startup funded?
John D. Rockefeller was a Slave, A front man to a big crime family.
John D. Rockefeller was a Slave? lol smh So who enslaved him?
What is the actual name of the Rockefellers?
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Ask your self, How does some one get to the one percent of the wealthy, by helping the poor, that had nothing?
I don't understand what you mean, try to write a proper English sentence that makes sense.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Now the poor was said to be stolen good from others.
What the hell are you talking about?
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Back then, property owners had right to protect property with killing, Now if Spelman got caught, he would of died. so he must of had a big party of thugs.
Perhaps you don't know it, but the "property" was "valued, marketed and ensured by the government, which was a private company with insurances for the slave owners, who owned enslaved Africans. This is all documented and archived, you dumb dumb.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: I could go on and explain in more details about Rockefeller, being a front man for the African Mob..
What has that to do with Black Americans? lol smh This is about reparations for Black Americans over the atrocities that have been done to Black America, not some imaginary "African Mob".
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quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Quoted: Black people the descendants of slaves.
Yes, that is correct. The African diaspora of the Americas.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Your hate for white races makes you blind to the facts.
Where did I write anything about hating the white race? What facts are you talking about that I am supposedly blinded by? lol
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: White people have been the slaves, but your sex drive for white women.
What white slaves are you talking about? What imaginary "sex drive"for white women are you talking about? What is so "special" about white women?
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: has actually made you a descendent of the slave races.
What the hell are you talking about?
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Cory Booker and even Obama are descendants of slaves.
Obama is not a descendants of slaves, you dumb dumb.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Good New Bub, your the new slave races.
Who is the "new slave race"? smh
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: America will soon be a third world economy
Perhaps yeah, if the USA doesn't come up with Reparations for Black America and faces her wrong doings for hundreds of years there will be a spiritual-war that will bring the USA down. If America faces her wrong doings America done to Black Americans, America can be saved.
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quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Ish Gebor, You seem well educated from the articles you have posted to my posts.
Your posts are very basic. It's not deep at all. But, oh well.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws:
About 2 to 3 years ago, On a Israel website, I seen a article about US history.
So what's your point ?
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Since the history on the past in America was burned down 2 times. I would guess the founders Essays and other Historians Essays where destroyed. Some one did not like notes recorded of history, of the real life experiences they witnessed.
The remains, remnants give us a clear picture, as does archeology and anthropology. That can be used to reconstruct history.
African Burial Ground is the oldest and largest known excavated burial ground in North America for both free and enslaved Africans. It protects the historic role slavery played in building New York Read More.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: On the Israel website they was talking about 500 to 600 years a go.
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quote:Originally posted by Gregws: They said that In Maryland USA, A Black Militia, had Guns to protect their area. The black men would round up white males and put then in changes. The article did not go in to details about the white males in changes.
LOL ok. Was it talking about Black Cowboys? Or a slave rebellion/ uprise? Or perhaps both?
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: But, They tried to pass a law in Maryland, that said a male or resident can not take part in voting unless they owned a white slave. The law did not pass.
LOL So what Bill was this? Have you ever heard of the 13th, 14th and 15th amendment? Have you ever hard of Dredd Scott decision?
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: I can not find that article, In the day I saw the article, The tale of the history seemed to far fetched for me to copy the artical, as to my brainwashing history of the USA.
Ok.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: They also said that they would also marry the white women and the women would have their off springs.
Ok lol. And how come genetic prints show up as European males, instead of vice versa?
There is actually surviving laws that shows how the law was implemented.
Perhaps in a very early stage in the 13 colonies they had the "interracial relationships" and much later in some States that had no deep rooted slavery they had "interracial relationships".
The entire race concept is based on dominant African genes vs the European recessive genes. When the first colonialist noticed this they started to develop this race concept, and from there got to secreting themselves and discriminating Africans, which led to the enslavement of Africans in he 13 colonies.
Fact is that whites benefited economically, and those of African descent known as Black people have been discriminated against and marginalized economically.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: So maybe a race war was going on 500 to 600 years ago. And since real history has been deleted from the Archives, the only history that is published is the repercussions on what the Black men did when they first arrived.
That is a bunch of gobbledegook that you are pulling out of your nasty behind.
quote:But while Elizabeth may have enjoyed being entertained by Black people, in the 1590s she also issued proclamations against them. In 1596 she wrote to the lord mayors of major cities noting that there were 'of late divers blackmoores brought into this realm, of which kind of people there are already here to manie...'. She ordered that 'those kinde of people should be sente forth of the land'.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: Most white slaves died before they was done doing the 7 year time. the white slaves had no rights. They was the cheapest labor on the market.
There was no white slave to begin with, so that makes you argument numb and dumb already. White were indentured servants who got paid. That is why the were the cheapest laborers.
quote: And after 7 years time as a servant, how could one really earn a living wage if more cheap labor was shipped in by the millions.
Actually I posted sources After 7 to 10 years the received money and land to live on. This was not the case for the Africans born into Chattel Slavery. This is why the law of 3/5 of a human being was applied on Africans, not on Europeans. Hence the Dredd Scott decision.
quote: You talk like the white males had a choice to send their kids to the coal mines.
Yes, they had a choice. Nobody forced them and they got paid for it.
quote: You also say the white man had a choice to cut tree, in the most desolated areas of USA, with wild beasts and sleeping in tents / wood cabins and zero degrees weather. Hell who would really want that job if a lot of the Axe Loggers died?
Yes, they had and still have that choice. That answer is in the articles you have posted. This means you don't even read your own sources.
quote: I mean really, you cant tell me 100,000 wanted to do that kind of job. More deaths then fighting in a war, in the 1800s. And I can not find data on the death rates of the loggers or 7 year servants, back in the 1700s.
You keep going in circles. Many came as convicts who worked for a certain time then became free and received their payments. And others came on free will to escape the poverty in Europe. However, both received payments.
Convict Labor during the Colonial Period
LIn 1615, English courts began to send convicts to the colonies as a way of alleviating England's large criminal population.”
quote: The history of unfree labor in the United States encompasses to all forms of unfree labor which have occurred within the present day borders of the United States through modern times.
"Unfree labor" is a generic or collective term for those work relations,
in which people are employed against their will by the threat of destitution, detention, violence (including death), lawful compulsion, or other extreme hardship to themselves or to members of their families.
It was already established that the above is mostly false. And for the sake of the argument I will repost this for you.
quote: Petition of George Mason for Warrants for Lands in Fincastle County, [June 1774]
That in the Year 1662, an Act of Genral Assembly was made, prescribing the Manner of proving Rights to Lands due for the Importation of Servants, and obtaining Certificates thereon, to intitle the Importers to Surveys and Patents; and giving such proofs and Certificates the preference to Actual Surveys without them. And in the same Year, another Act of Assembly was made, reciting that the former laws2 concerning deserted Lands, reserved to the first Taker-up his Rights to take up Land in Another Place, and enacting that for the future, in Care of deserted Lands, the Rights as well as the Lands shall be forfeited, and the grantee made incapable of useing any of them afterwards: from which Law it is Clear, that Importation-Rights are Always good, Until they have been Applyed to Patents for Land, and the Said Land forfeited, by Want of Seating and Planting.
quote:Registers of Servants Sent to Foreign Plantations
This database of indenture contracts includes over 15,000 indentured servants contracts from the London, Middlesex, and Bristol Registers. The contracts indicate not only the servant's name and length of indenture, but also the name of the servant's parents and owner, their home province and city, occupation, destination, and ship of embarkation. These records provide a detailed composition of indentured servants in the 17th century Atlantic World.
Bristol Registers
The Bristol Registers records all indentured servants who left from the port of Bristol, England from 1654-1686. Servants listed their place of origin as towns and provinces all over England, as well as many foreign countries such as Ireland and France. They were headed to many different places in the New World, including Virginia, Barbados, and the Caribbean islands. Lengths of indenture varied from 3 to 7 years, with the average length for females being 4.3 years, and for males, 4.44 years. The database contains records for approximately 10,000 indentured servants sent from Bristol to the New World.
The Bristol Registers are taken from the book The Bristol Registers of Servants Sent to Foreign Plantations, 1654-1686, by Peter Wilson Coldham, published by the Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. (Baltimore), in 1988. The original registers, entitled Servants to Foreign Plantations, were contained in two leather-bound volumes and can be found in the archives of the Corporation of the City of Bristol, England. Coldham has modernized the town and village names. Editorial comments added by Coldham are indicated by parentheses and brackets.
Middlesex Registers
The Middlesex Registers records all indentured servants who left from the port of Middlesex, England from 1682-1685. Servants listed their place of origin as towns and provinces all over England, as well as many foreign countries such as Ireland and France. They were headed to many different places in the New World, including Virginia, Barbados, and the Caribbean islands. Lengths of indenture varied from 3 to 9 years, with the average length for males being 4.36 years, and for females, 4.22 years. The database contains records for approximately 1,000 indentured servants sent from Middlesex to the New World.
The Middlesex Registers database was created from microfilms of the original indenture records. This 2-roll set was entitled Plantation Indentures and was created by the London Metropolitan Archives. The original records can be found in the Middlesex Guildhall, in England. Editorial comments added by Virtual Jamestown staff members have been indicated by enclosing the material in brackets.
London I Registers
The London I Registers records all indentured servants who left from the port of London, England from 1682-1692. Servants listed their place of origin as towns and provinces all over England, as well as many foreign countries such as Ireland and France. They were headed to many different places in the New World, including Virginia, Barbados, and the Caribbean islands. Lengths of indenture varied from 2 to 15 years, with the average length for males being 5.84 years, and for females, 4.16 years. The database contains records for approximately 1,000 indentured servants sent from London to the New World.
The London I Registers were drawn from Michael Ghirelli's book A List of Emigrants from England to America, 1682-1692, Baltimore, Magna Charta Book Company, 1968. The book is compiled from a set of large manuscript volumes, the Lord Mayor's Waiting Books, found in the Record Office of the City of London. All information found in the records except place names have been modernized by Ghirelli. Editorial comments added by Ghirelli have been indicated by parentheses, and comments added by Virtual Jamestown staff have been indicated by brackets.
London II Registers
The London II Registers records all indentured servants who left from the port of London, England from 1718-1759. Servants listed their place of origin as towns and provinces all over England, as well as many foreign countries such as Ireland and France. They were headed to many different places in the New World, including Virginia, Barbados, and the Caribbean islands. Lengths of indenture varied from 1 to 21 years, with the average length for males being 4.57 years, and for females, 4.7 years. The database contains records for approximately 3,000 indentured servants sent from London to the New World.
The London II Registers have been compile from the book A List of Emigrants from England to America, 1718-1759 by Jack and Marion Kaminkow. The book was published in 1964 by the Magna Charta Book Company of Baltimore. It is a transcription of microfilms of the original records, entitled Agreements to Serve in America and can be found at the Guildhall, London, England. Editorial comments added by Kaminkow have been indicated by parentheses, and Virtual Jamestown comments have been indicated by brackets.
quote: Like Peter Glass, many immigrants relocated to the Midwest, lured by land and the opportunity to establish new lives. The Homestead Act not only encouraged migration by Americans but immigrants from Europe as well. The U.S. government provided 160 acres of land often taken from Native peoples to immigrants who declared intent to become citizens and willingness to farm on the land for five years. Emigration societies operating in Europe and the eastern United States promoted migration and the benefits of citizenship.
quote: This guide will help you find records of people sentenced to transportation. The National Archives holds records of many criminal trials and convictions – as well as convict voyages, censuses and pardons – and this guide explains how these are indexed and how they can be searched. I
[…]
Before 1776, all convicts sentenced to transportation were sent to North America and the West Indies. Few records of these individuals survive, though legal records from this period may contain useful information.
quote: “New settlers who paid their way to Virginia received 50 acres of land. However, most of the workers who arrived in Virginia were indentured servants, people who pledged to perform five to seven years of labor.” [...] “Details of the Headright System Individuals who could afford it would accumulate land by paying for poor individuals to travel to Virginia. In the 1600s, the cost was roughly 6 pounds per person, or approximately $215 today. This system led to the development of indentured servitude.”
quote: This guide will help you find records of people sentenced to transportation. The National Archives holds records of many criminal trials and convictions – as well as convict voyages, censuses and pardons – and this guide explains how these are indexed and how they can be searched. It also outlines which details can be useful when starting your research, and contains background information on the history of criminal transportatio
[…]
Before 1776, all convicts sentenced to transportation were sent to North America and the West Indies. Few records of these individuals survive, though legal records from this period may contain useful information.
Where is mentioned that any of these archives was burned down?
And I asked before, for attacked the congress?
quote: I be more confused now. It seems like the real native of America where Anglo Saxons, not the Asians or mixed African races, as they teach in US public Schools.
Apparently you are very confused when you make claims like Anglo Saxons were the real native of America, so yeah, I agree with you, you are confused.
You have to be a hideous individual to ignore The Trial Of Tears and other atrocities that happened to Amerindians.
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23. In fine, A Nation well regulated is like a Polypus; take away a Limb, its Place is soon supply’d; cut it in two, and each deficient Part shall speedily grow out of the Part remaining.4 Thus if you have Room and Subsistence enough, as you may by dividing, make ten Polypes out of one, you may of one make ten Nations, equally populous and powerful; or rather, increase a Nation ten fold in Numbers and Strength.5 And since Detachments of English from Britain sent to America, will have their Places at Home so soon supply’d and increase so largely here; why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
What is your point?
quote: 24. Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.
So what has this above to do with the topic being talked about, like Reparations?
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Antebellum Urban Violence
Christina (Pennsylvania) Riot, 1851 Cincinnati Riots, 1829 Cincinnati Race Riots, 1836 The Pennsylvania Hall Fire, 1838
Civil War, Reconstruction, and Post-Reconstruction Era Violence
Detroit Race Riot, 1863 New York City Draft Riots, 1863 Memphis Riot, 1866 New Orleans Massacre, 1866 Pulaski Race Riot, 1868 Opelousas Massacre, 1868 The Meridian Race Riot, 1871 Chicot County Race War, 1871 The Colfax Massacre, 1873 Clinton (Mississippi) Riot, 1875 Hamburg Massacre, 1876 Carroll County Courthouse Massacre, 1886 Thibodaux Massacre, 1887 New Orleans Dockworkers’ Riot, 1894-1895 Wilmington Race Riot, 1898 Newburg, New York Race Riot, 1899
Race Riots, 1900-1960
Robert Charles Riot (New Orleans), 1900 New York City Race Riot, 1900 Atlanta Race Riot, 1906 Springfield, Illinois Race Riot, 1908 East St. Louis Race Riot, 1917 Chester, Pennsylvania Race Riot, 1917 Houston Mutiny and Race Riot, 1917 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Race Riot, 1918 Charleston (South Carolina) Riot, 1919 Washington, D.C. Riot, 1919 Chicago Race Riot, 1919 Knoxville Race Riot, 1919 Elaine, Arkansas Riot, 1919 Tulsa Race Riot, 1921 Rosewood Massacre, 1923 Harlem Race Riot, 1935 Beaumont Race Riot, 1943 Detroit Race Riot, 1943
Urban Uprisings, 1960-2000
Cambridge, Maryland Riot, 1963 The Harlem Race Riot, 1964 Rochester Rebellion, 1964 Jersey City Uprising, 1964 Paterson, New Jersey Uprising, 1964 Elizabeth, New Jersey Uprising, 1964 Chicago (Dixmoor) Riots, 1964 Philadelphia Race Riot, 1964 Watts Rebellion (Los Angeles), 1965 Cleveland’s Hough Riots, 1966 Chicago, Illinois Uprising, 1966 The Dayton, Ohio Uprising, 1966 Hunter’s Point, San Francisco Uprising, 1966 Newark Race Riot, 1967 Plainfield, New Jersey Riot, 1967 Detroit Race Riot, 1967 Flint, Michigan Riot, 1967 Tuscon Race Riot, 1967 Grand Rapids, Michigan Uprising, 1967 The King Assassination Riots, 1968 Hartford, Connecticut Riot, 1969 Asbury Park Race Riot, 1970 Camden, New Jersey Riots, 1969 and 1971 Miami (Liberty City) Riot, 1980 Crown Heights (Brooklyn) New York Riot, 1991 Rodney King Riot, 1992 West Las Vegas Riot, 1992 St. Petersburg, Florida Riot, 1996
College Campus Violence
University of Georgia Desegregation Riot, 1961 Ole Miss Riot, 1962 Houston (Texas Southern University) Riot, 1967 Orangeburg Massacre, 1968 Jackson State Killings, 1970
Former president Thomas Jefferson, who advocated the expansion of the library during his two terms in office, responded to the loss by selling his personal library, the largest and finest in the country, to Congress to “recommence” the library. The purchase of Jefferson’s 6,487 volumes was approved in the next year, and a professional librarian, George Watterston, was hired to replace the House clerks in the administration of the library. In 1851, a second major fire at the library destroyed about two-thirds of the documents.
Most history of the loses in war is destroyed. What is said about the loses can be anything the winners want to say about the loses. .
You are going in circles over things that have been addressed already. You do realize that Black people wern't allowed to read nor write.
quote:TThroughout his life, books were vital to Thomas Jefferson's education and well-being. When his family home Shadwell burned in 1770 Jefferson most lamented the loss of his books. In the midst of the American Revolution and while United States minister to France in the 1780s, Jefferson acquired thousands of books for his library at Monticello. Jefferson's library went through several stages, but it was always critically important to him. Books provided the little traveled Jefferson with a broader knowledge of the contemporary and ancient worlds than most contemporaries of broader personal experience. By 1814 when the British burned the nation's Capitol and the Library of Congress, Jefferson had acquired the largest personal collection of books in the United States. Jefferson offered to sell his library to Congress as a replacement for the collection destroyed by the British during the War of 1812. Congress purchased Jefferson's library for $23,950 in 1815. A second fire on Christmas Eve of 1851, destroyed nearly two thirds of the 6,487 volumes Congress had purchased from Jefferson.
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” Proclaiming that “I cannot live without books,” Jefferson began a second collection of several thousand books, which was sold at auction in 1829 to help satisfy his creditors.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: What is crazy, is that even the white women call them self's slaves to the white males.
You must know white females very well to know this. Yet, we see they got paid as indentured servants.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: White males had to work, bad and dangerous jobs, that cause death. To support the wife and kids, and pay taxes so the US gov could use the money to raise other nations.
Nope that was another lie, the wealth America gained come from slavery. The enslaved Africans. This is why at one point in time the ratio was more Black than whites. That is why there is an electoral voting system.
Black people's labor was all free for hundreds of years. So paying low taxes for wages can't be compared. This is why most of the multinationals have a line to the antebellum of Slavery. When slavery ended these (white) slave owners got compensations by the government.
quote: The real reason we have an Electoral College: to protect slave states
“In a direct election system, the South would have lost every time.”
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: the wealth America gained come from slavery. The enslaved Africans. This is why at one point in time the ratio was more Black than whites.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: the wealth America gained come from slavery. The enslaved Africans. This is why at one point in time the ratio was more Black than whites.
false
Hmm it's true. Have you ever studied the infrastructure and followed the money "African American woman"? lol
From where did most wealth come, and to where did it go? lol
And yes, at one point in time there was more Blacks than whites, that is why whites from Europe were imported to make up the declining number of whites, which led to the large migrations of East Europeans and some South Europeans. These whites received benefits like the Headright system, Homestead Acts etc. simply for being white. So yeah all those loggers got their first money bag by keeping the land clean for 5 years. These people also often rented African slaves to do slave labor for them, which they paid the large slave plantation owners off. That African labor of course helped these white immigrants to gain capital.
It's obvious you are indoctrinated by the Lost Cause myths.
quote: After these immigration flows, which continued until the middle of the 18th century, the continental emigration to Eastern and Southeast Europe prevailed until the 1830s while transatlantic emigrations, especially to the United States, were predominant until the late 19th century. From the 1680s to the year 1800, more than 740,000 people emigrated from German-speaking regions to Eastern, Central Eastern and Southern Europe. And from 1816 to 1914, more than 5.5 million German emigrants departed for the United States. There, from 1820 to 1860, German immigrants represented the second-largest group of all immigrants behind the Irish at around 30 percent; from 1861 to 1890, they were even the largest. The extensive expansion of economic opportunities due to high industrialization and agricultural modernization in Germany as well as the economic crisis in the United States finally led to a significant reduction in transatlantic migration flows.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: The wealth you talk about came from Rome, Like the church had / have the coffers and was also the collectors of all information from every county they teach their religions in.
The wealth that came to America was because of the Trans Atlantic slavery free labor. It's not that hard to figure out, when you accumulate capital off of free labor for hundreds of years and steal property when these people find ways to restore you logically get rich, while they stay poor.
Your deep hatred for Black people, blinds you to see the facts.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: The central intelligence agency as all bishops had to report one way or another.
So when are you going to post peer reviewed evidence? And yeah, the Papal Bull is by the Roman Catholic church. So your point is numb again. This was already addressed, so you are going in circles again. It was the Roman Catholic church that stated Black people have no souls. So this once more disputes you claims.
quote:Originally posted by Gregws: The church is older then record history.
Nope it's not. lol There was already history being recorded before the church came into existence. It's plane logic.
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