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The Coronavirus (Cov-2) goes into the DNA (the part which holds the oldest data) and mutates the RNA (which holds the core of the oldest data). It basically copies then recodes the structure of the oldest data.
Coronavirus outbreak updates with pulmonologist Dr. Seheult. Illustrations and concise lectures on the novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) that originated in Wuhan City, China.
I don't think those numbers are correct. Your first post pertaining this virus was made on 25 January, 2020 12:55.
In between time people have traveled to and from China. And interacted with people from China or with people who had interaction with people from China. And this is the reason why they have a lockdown, not becasue of the supposed "few" infected people.
The virus was already discovered in 2019, hence COVID-19, meaning it was already undetected spreading in 2019.
I am not going to make any claims, but this was a large event in Wuhan in 2019.
quote: The 2019 Military World Games, officially known as the 7th CISM Military World Games and commonly known as Wuhan 2019, was held from October 18–27, 2019 in Wuhan, Hubei, China.[2][3]
I don't think those numbers are correct. Your first post pertaining this virus was made on 25 January, 2020 12:55.
In between time people have traveled to and from China. And interacted with people from China or with people who had interaction with people from China. And this is the reason why they have a lockdown, not becasue of the supposed "few" infected people.
The virus was already discovered in 2019, hence COVID-19, meaning it was already undetected spreading in 2019.
I am not going to make any claims, but this was a large event in Wuhan in 2019.
quote: The 2019 Military World Games, officially known as the 7th CISM Military World Games and commonly known as Wuhan 2019, was held from October 18–27, 2019 in Wuhan, Hubei, China.[2][3]
The number of known cases of the coronavirus in the United States surged past 10,000 on Thursday morning as testing expanded and the virus spread. As of Thursday afternoon, at least 10,822 people across every state, plus Washington, D.C., and three U.S. territories, have tested positive for coronavirus, according to a New York Times database, and at least 172 patients with the virus have died. ____________________________
do you think the actual number is higher or lower?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: NY Times 3/19/2020
The number of known cases of the coronavirus in the United States surged past 10,000 on Thursday morning as testing expanded and the virus spread. As of Thursday afternoon, at least 10,822 people across every state, plus Washington, D.C., and three U.S. territories, have tested positive for coronavirus, according to a New York Times database, and at least 172 patients with the virus have died. ____________________________
do you think the actual number is higher or lower?
The number is way higher. By the thousands, if not by tens of thousands. Wuhan is a financial business hub. And potentially "large financial players" have been infected by this virus. This is probably why it has hit the financial market the way it does.
The Chinese New Year of 2020 was on January 25th (Saturday).
quote: Wuhan, the center of the deadly coronavirus outbreak, is a major business hub for several international corporations
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The spread of the deadly coronavirus is likely to have a major economic impact as Wuhan, the center of this outbreak, is a business hub for several international corporations.
Wuhan, a city of 11 million people, is one of China's largest industrial hubs and home to its steel industry.
You could be right with The NY-Times article, unless there was no traveling going on from Wuhan to NY/ USA, between late-2019 and the Wuhan lockdown. I doubt that this is the case.
The incubation is about 24 days.
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97.5% cases occur in 11.5 days or less according to latest study from John Hopkins
You can't tell beforehand who is going carry symptoms for 5.1, 11,5 or 24 days. The cases they have till now show these averages. At the time I posted, the latest was 24, so this means the virus was mutating. And we don't know how the virus reacts as people are getting older etc. and reach the age of the alleged "danger zone".
It now even says 27 days, as outliers.
quote: However, a case with an incubation period of 27 days has been reported by Hubei Province local government on Feb. 22
quote: A 70-year-old man in China’s Hubei Province was infected with coronavirus but did not show symptoms until 27 days later, the local government said on Saturday, meaning the virus’ incubation period could be much longer than the presumed 14 days.
These outliers mean that people will be spreading the virus for 24 or 27 days, and so on... (if this continues). This means some of these cases are only now showing up.
The is an article about the Philippines. Do you think there was any trade/ traveling going on from the Philippines to the USA, between 2 Feb 2020 and the lockdown?
quote: Philippines death is first outside China and comes as countries impose strict restrictions on travel from China. 2 Feb 2020
quote: The virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is stable for several hours to days in aerosols and on surfaces, according to a new study from National Institutes of Health, CDC, UCLA and Princeton University scientists in The New England Journal of Medicine. The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel.
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^^ yes, aerosols for up to three hours. Meaning it's doesn't float in the air by itself like an airborne virus but if someone sneezes it can remain in the air for up to three hours. Therefore going into an elevator without a mask is risky. Then 24 hours on cardboard or 2-3 days on plastic. This could be on groceries. So there is much more detail here than wash your hands.
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Just incase most aren’t aware. People here in china are returning to their normal lives as the amount of currently infected people dropped to a lil more that 6K. Of the 80,000 total cases about 70,000 are now healthy. And the remainder deceased. (~3300) that’s a mortality rate of 4% and if you factor in the population size of China you can grasp how minuscule this virus was as it relates to overall heath.
Though economically, covid19 caused a lot of damage.... China now find themselves in a position to bounce back with a relatively healthy population. They subsided their individual usual ways of life to collectively combat this issue, by closing establishments, quarantine and suppling and investing inworkforce’s to achieve feats such as building hospitals over the course of a few days.
I was never in a mode of panic here (in china) until late, when I was told that the virus had ~100 cases in New York. The reason why is that I seen H1n1 and other examples of a state of emergency. We don’t have shit on China in that regard. I knew people will still work and go to school for as long as they could thinking independently and carelessly ...and that our government will gaslight that behavior.
...guess what... two weeks later... my city(NY) is knocking on half the active cases in the entirety of China. And the US is now approaching 12000 active cases with a mortality rate of over 50% on closed cases (less healthy recoveries than deaths).
...and it’ll only get worse. I had to reassure people of my safety for months now look how the tables are turned. We have a lot to learn ...a whole lot to learn.
Ps. I actually expect the mortality rate to drop in the US as people spend more time with the disease. Not a lot of people are in critical condition it seems.
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97.5% cases occur in 11.5 days or less according to latest study from John Hopkins
You can't tell beforehand who is going carry symptoms for 5.1, 11,5 or 24 days. The cases they have till now show these averages. At the time I posted, the latest was 24, so this means the virus was mutating. And we don't know how the virus reacts as people are getting older etc. and reach the age of the alleged "danger zone".
It now even says 27 days, as outliers.
They only found one person 27 days
97.5% cases occur in 11.5 days or less.
This means 2.5 people out of 100 could carry the virus and not develop symptoms until after 11.5 days.
I haven't heard of any quarantine longer than 19 days except North Korea supposedly extended to 30 days
On 14 March 2020, North Korea state media reported there were no confirmed cases in its territory.
(if we choose to believe it)
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^^ yes, aerosols for up to three hours. Meaning it's doesn't float in the air by itself like an airborne virus but if someone sneezes it can remain in the air for up to three hours. Therefore going into an elevator without a mask is risky. Then 24 hours on cardboard or 2-3 days on plastic. This could be on groceries. So there is much more detail here than wash your hands.
It means you have to be cautious at all time, whenever you touched something foreign. Btw, groceries are living organisms, so it could jump over to groceries as well if it finds a way to manipulate the RNA.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: They only found one person 27 days
97.5% cases occur in 11.5 days or less.
This means 2.5 people out of 100 could carry the virus and not develop symptoms until after 11.5 days.
I haven't heard of any quarantine longer than 19 days except North Korea supposedly extended to 30 days
So tell me, are you willing to roll the dIcE?
Let's do some basic math. When did they find that person and when did most cases start being reported?
quote:Pandemic
A pandemic is a disease epidemic that has spread across a large region, for instance multiple continents, or worldwide. A widespread endemic disease with a stable number of infected people is not a pandemic
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: On 14 March 2020, North Korea state media reported there were no confirmed cases in its territory.
(if we choose to believe it)
I have no idea from where you go this, anyway…
quote: The 2020 coronavirus pandemic in North Korea is an ongoing disease outbreak in North Korea related to the global 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic originating from neighboring China. The entrance of the virus into North Korea is not thought to come from South Korea which has itself had a high amount of reported COVID-19 cases but rather from China, where the virus originates from, as border restrictions are more relaxed between China and North Korea than between North and South Korea which has a heavily militarized border, while traffic and black market trade is prominent between the Chinese-North Korean border. However, COVID-19 cases in the two provinces (Liaoning and Jilin) bordering North Korea have been low, with a WHO estimate of only 225 cases.[1]
quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: Just incase most aren’t aware. People here in china are returning to their normal lives as the amount of currently infected people dropped to a lil more that 6K. Of the 80,000 total cases about 70,000 are now healthy. And the remainder deceased. (~3300) that’s a mortality rate of 4% and if you factor in the population size of China you can grasp how minuscule this virus was as it relates to overall heath.
That is indeed what is being reported. However,… most do not believe that.
quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro:
Ps. I actually expect the mortality rate to drop in the US as people spend more time with the disease. Not a lot of people are in critical condition it seems.
It's too early to make these claims. There isn't enough data yet, collected over a long time.
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Blood type A 'more vulnerable' to coronavirus - BBC Science
People with blood type A may be more vulnerable to COVID-19, study claims. Researchers found that of the 206 patients in the study who died, 85 had blood type A, equivalent to 41 per cent of all deaths. Advice is still to wash your hands and follow the guidelines issued by authorities, whatever your blood type. People with blood type A may be more susceptible to coronavirus compared to other blood types, scientists have claimed.
Researchers in China looked at blood group patterns of more than 2,000 people who had been diagnosed with the new coronavirus as part of a preliminary study.
They found that those with blood type A were more vulnerable to infection and tended to develop more severe symptoms while those with the more common blood type O had a “significantly lower risk” of getting the disease.
Although the study is yet to be peer-reviewed by other academics, the team are urging medics and governments to consider blood type differences when treating patients with the virus and helping prevent the spread of the disease.
The paper is currently a ‘pre-print’, meaning it hasn’t been vetted by a group of scientists who will assess if the science – the method, the analysis and the inferences drawn from the data – stands up, and it hasn’t been published in a journal. The peer review process is designed to weed out errors, misinterpretation or flawed research methods. But in order to speed up the distribution of research (as the peer review process takes time) scientists do post papers to pre-print archives first.
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Coronavirus vaccine: first volunteers receive trial dose in US Is hand-washing really the best thing we can do to stop the spread of COVID-19? Aggressive ‘L type’ strain affecting 70 per cent of coronavirus cases Coronavirus vaccine: UK scientists work to avoid future outbreaks The researchers, led by Wang Xinghuan of the Zhongnan Hospital at Wuhan University, looked at the blood of 2,173 people who had been diagnosed with the coronavirus from three hospitals in the Hubei province.
They found that while blood type O (34 per cent) is more common in the general population in China than type A (32 per cent), around 41 per cent of COVID-19 patients had blood type A, whereas people with type O accounted for just 25 per cent.
Of the 206 patients in the study who died, 85 had blood type A, equivalent to 41 per cent of all deaths, the researchers said.
She added: “If you are type A, there is no need to panic. It does not mean you will be infected 100 per cent.
“If you are type O, it does not mean you are absolutely safe, either. You still need to wash your hands and follow the guidelines issued by aut
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quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: Just incase most aren’t aware. People here in china are returning to their normal lives as the amount of currently infected people dropped to a lil more that 6K. Of the 80,000 total cases about 70,000 are now healthy. And the remainder deceased. (~3300) that’s a mortality rate of 4% and if you factor in the population size of China you can grasp how minuscule this virus was as it relates to overall heath.
Though economically, covid19 caused a lot of damage.... China now find themselves in a position to bounce back with a relatively healthy population. They subsided their individual usual ways of life to collectively combat this issue, by closing establishments, quarantine and suppling and investing inworkforce’s to achieve feats such as building hospitals over the course of a few days.
I was never in a mode of panic here (in china) until late, when I was told that the virus had ~100 cases in New York. The reason why is that I seen H1n1 and other examples of a state of emergency. We don’t have shit on China in that regard. I knew people will still work and go to school for as long as they could thinking independently and carelessly ...and that our government will gaslight that behavior.
...guess what... two weeks later... my city(NY) is knocking on half the active cases in the entirety of China. And the US is now approaching 12000 active cases with a mortality rate of over 50% on closed cases (less healthy recoveries than deaths).
...and it’ll only get worse. I had to reassure people of my safety for months now look how the tables are turned. We have a lot to learn ...a whole lot to learn.
Ps. I actually expect the mortality rate to drop in the US as people spend more time with the disease. Not a lot of people are in critical condition it seems.
But look how China mobilized even if it was relatively late. They have the manpower and they have the industry. Hospitals were built and those infected were often taken into quarantine facilities. And lots and lots of testing was done. It wasn't just a lockdown alone that helped with the virus.
In the US other than telling people to keep social distances not much else was done. Weeks later they still haven't set up testing sites. There hasn't been much of a mass mobilization of manpower or materiel to do anything.
And the USA with its history and experience with Chemical and Biological Warfare should know better as they have been planning for similar events for years, right up to and after 9/11. They have spent many hundreds of billions of dollars on this over the years.
Never in the history of the United States and previous oubreaks like the Spanish Flu, has the unites states been locked down.
quote: In a sense, the subject of military emergency response capabilities in civil situations is beyond the scope of this study, which is focused on deployed forces. However, because the agencies responsible for the protection of our forces also have certain responsibilities during domestic CB terrorist incidents, this subject is treated briefly.
Because of recent concerns about possible CB terrorist incidents in the United States, various initiatives have been implemented and numerous studies undertaken to assess emergency response capabilities (e.g., GAO, 1999; IOM, 1999b). Many of these initiatives define the role of the U.S. military in coordination with other federal (e.g., the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the U.S. Department of Energy), state, and local agencies.
quote: Page 10GAO-15-20 Emergency Preparedness The National Exercise Program serves to assess interagency preparedness and identify corrective actions needed to close gaps in required emergency response capabilities.22 FEMA’s National Exercise Division manages the design and execution of NLEs, including the development of interagency after-action reports and the related improvement plans that identify specific corrective actions. Participating federal departments and agencies are to track the status of implementation of their assigned corrective actions following NLEs.23Starting in calendar year 2013, the National Exercise Program established a biennial exercise cycle for NLEs.24 The first NLE under this new cycle occurred in March 2014 and FEMA officials stated that they are beginning to plan for the next NLE, which is to occur in calendar 2016.
The problem is that the US military and industry has been scaled back a lot since the 90s and much of that industry went to China.
Of course the US helped invent the concept of biosafety levels in tandem with the creation of biowarfare and research labs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level The point being that if you have biosafety labs, you also have plans and procedures on what to do in case of an outbreak. That is partly what these labs were set up for, to research and understand how viruses and other biological agents spread and can be stopped.
And on that note, China only has one Biosafety level 4 lab, located famously in Wuhan. It has been researching variants of SARs since the SARS outbreak.....
quote: In 2005, a group including researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology published research into the origin of the SARS coronavirus, finding that China's horseshoe bats are natural reservoirs of SARS-like coronaviruses.[6] Continuing this work over a period of years, researchers from the Institute sampled thousands of horseshoe bats in locations across China, isolating over 300 bat coronavirus sequences.[7]
In 2015, the Institute published successful research on whether a bat coronavirus could be made to infect HeLa. A team from the Institute engineered a hybrid virus, combining a bat coronavirus with a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and mimic human disease. The hybrid virus was able to infect human cells.[8][9]
2019–20 coronavirus outbreak
In December 2019, cases of pneumonia associated with an unknown coronavirus were reported to health authorities in Wuhan. The Institute checked its coronavirus collection and found the new virus was 96 percent identical to a sample its researchers had taken from horseshoe bats in southwest China.[10]
As the virus spread worldwide, the Institute continued its investigation. In February 2020, the New York Times reported that a team led by Shi Zhengli at the Institute were the first to identify, analyze and name the genetic sequence of the Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV), and upload it to public databases for scientists around the world to understand,[11][12] and publishing papers in Nature.[13] In February 2020, the Institute applied for a patent in China for the use of remdesivir, an experimental drug owned by Gilead Sciences, which the Institute found inhibited the virus invitro;[14] in a move which also raised concerns regarding international intellectual property rights.[15] In a statement, the Institute said it would not exercise its new Chinese patent rights "if relevant foreign companies intend to contribute to the prevention and control of China’s epidemic".[16]
quote: The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV underscores the threat of cross-species transmission events leading to outbreaks in humans. Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone.
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This is a shit storm... this spreads like Legionaries Disease ... any pushed air, central air aka AEROSOL-ED can be a means of deadly transmission This is why Medical professionals are particularly vulnerable, people working in large warehouses like AMAZON ( this will affect food supply chains)
Go ahead to that drive through to pick up some chicken... the pushed air can aerosol someones sneeze.. that happened in the 1min to 3 hours prior and blow that virus into your car!
Patients with hypertension appear to be at a higher risk of dying from the coronavirus, said a top Chinese intensive care doctor who’s been treating critically ill patients since mid-January.
While there’s been no published research yet explaining why, Chinese doctors working in Wuhan, the central Chinese city where the virus first emerged, have noticed that infected patients with that underlying illness are more likely to slip into severe distress and die.
Of a group of 170 patients who died in January in Wuhan -- the first wave of casualties caused by a pathogen that’s now raced around the world -- nearly half had hypertension.
“That’s a very high ratio,” said Du Bin, director of the intensive care unit at Peking Union Medical College Hospital, in an interview with Bloomberg over the phone from Wuhan. He was among a team of top doctors sent to the devastated city two months ago to help treat patients there.
“From what I was told by other doctors and the data I can see myself, among all the underlying diseases, hypertension is a key dangerous factor,” said Du, one of the most respected critical care experts in China. “Though there is no research published on that yet, we believe hypertension could be an important factor in causing patients to deteriorate, leading to a bad prognosis.”
Nearly half the adults living in the United States have high blood pressure. Likewise, diabetes is a household name, with one of every 10 Americans—34.2 million across all ages—dealing with the metabolic disorder. Both can factor into cardiovascular disease, a wide spectrum of disorders that kill one person roughly every 37 seconds in the United States.
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quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: This is a shit storm... this spreads like Legionaries Disease ... any pushed air, central air aka AEROSOL-ED can be a means of deadly transmission This is why Medical professionals are particularly vulnerable, people working in large warehouses like AMAZON ( this will affect food supply chains)
Go ahead to that drive through to pick up some chicken... the pushed air can aerosol someones sneeze.. that happened in the 1min to 3 hours prior and blow that virus into your car!
Patients with hypertension appear to be at a higher risk of dying from the coronavirus, said a top Chinese intensive care doctor who’s been treating critically ill patients since mid-January.
While there’s been no published research yet explaining why, Chinese doctors working in Wuhan, the central Chinese city where the virus first emerged, have noticed that infected patients with that underlying illness are more likely to slip into severe distress and die.
Of a group of 170 patients who died in January in Wuhan -- the first wave of casualties caused by a pathogen that’s now raced around the world -- nearly half had hypertension.
“That’s a very high ratio,” said Du Bin, director of the intensive care unit at Peking Union Medical College Hospital, in an interview with Bloomberg over the phone from Wuhan. He was among a team of top doctors sent to the devastated city two months ago to help treat patients there.
“From what I was told by other doctors and the data I can see myself, among all the underlying diseases, hypertension is a key dangerous factor,” said Du, one of the most respected critical care experts in China. “Though there is no research published on that yet, we believe hypertension could be an important factor in causing patients to deteriorate, leading to a bad prognosis.”
Nearly half the adults living in the United States have high blood pressure. Likewise, diabetes is a household name, with one of every 10 Americans—34.2 million across all ages—dealing with the metabolic disorder. Both can factor into cardiovascular disease, a wide spectrum of disorders that kill one person roughly every 37 seconds in the United States.
Correct. The whole point of biological warfare is to spread the disease to first responders, nurses and doctors treating patients early on and taking them out of the system. That is why you DON'T tell people to go to hospitals and Rite Aid or Walgreens or the supermarket. You mobilize and set up separate facilities to identify and quarantine people as soon as possible. This has been known in the USA for years not only because they have been researching and developing bioweapons but also spending billions on research and what to do in response to viral outbreaks or warfare. And also part of any modeling of viral outbreaks whether natural or man made includes modeling human activity. That is also part of how you target or identify at risk or vulnerable populations based on the specifics of the virus. These are all things that have been learned in the USA and Europe from all the wars and outbreaks and research they have gone through over the last 100 years.
And surely staying in the house is not going to stop the spread of an airborne virus. Homes are not biological containment facilities.
Also if this was truly a super deadly virus outbreak, you wouldn't be able to go to the supermarket or walmart anyway. Those normal supply chains would be affected as well. And Amazon wouldn't be immune either.
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If your "house" is in an apartment building with either central air or a shared hallway, or has drafts from under the door or other parts of the apartment NO.. it will NOT stop the virus.
If in an apartment or condo, if you have a separate entry way and have a mini split air conditioning, or separate open window.. maybe there is hope. But you have to stop all airflow from outside into the apartment from shared spaces.
Most Americans live in the burbs with separate homes.. but if 1 person is working with the public, in service of any kind. The whole house is exposed. You loose the benefit of social distancing.
Social distancing will flatten the curve.. and that is all the American government cares about at this point.
Heat and humidity play a large role in airborne transmission.
If you have a humidifier of diffuser use it. Keep you air moist.
I have a friend in NYC who caught the disease she is type A blood.. they have less acid in their stomachs than type O
Corona does not like acidity.
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If your "house" is in an apartment building with either central air or a shared hallway, or has drafts from under the door or other parts of the apartment NO.. it will NOT stop the virus.
If in an apartment or condo, if you have a separate entry way and have a mini split air conditioning, or separate open window.. maybe there is hope. But you have to stop all airflow from outside into the apartment from shared spaces.
Most Americans live in the burbs with separate homes.. but if 1 person is working with the public, in service of any kind. The whole house is exposed. You loose the benefit of social distancing.
Social distancing will flatten the curve.. and that is all the American government cares about at this point.
Heat and humidity play a large role in airborne transmission.
If you have a humidifier of diffuser use it. Keep you air moist.
I have a friend in NYC who caught the disease she is type A blood.. they have less acid in their stomachs than type O
Corona does not like acidity.
Totally agree, but this has never ever in history been the primary means of responding to a viral outbreak. Namely because you need people out doing things to actually fight the virus. If god forbid something deadly did break out, staying home won't help. Especially if all your critical services are not operating because people are dead or injured. You have to mobilize people to form "citizen teams" to do the things to get critical services back up and running. And seriously if the whole country is shutdown you got plenty of able bodied people available to do stuff. But again, that assumes you have the equipment and industry to provide what is needed to recover which means beds, tents, blankets, generators, MREs, water, etc, etc, etc....
But again the main thing that is affecting the USA is that the healthcare system was already on life support even in the best of conditions and there is already a critical shortage of doctors and care practitioners. Not to mention the closure of many hospitals. Then on topof that the lack of manufacturing capability and so forth. ALL of that TOGETHER is making this worse. Just telling people to stay in the house is not going to fix that problem.
The Spanish Flu broke out during World War I. They didn't shut down the country. And 3/4 of a million people died in the US died. Not to mention all those infected plus those dead and injured from the war.
So FEMA is on level 1 alert. How many tents have hey set up? How many emergency distribution locations? How many test sites? How many quarantine facilities, feeding facilities, etc, etc...... pretty much nothing.
Again the whole point of biochemical warfare (or any kind of total war) is to shut down a country and render it unable to function, starting with critical services. This isn't new stuff.
I mean for goodness sake if the Russians attacked the US (or anyone else) you know darn well Washington would not be able to respond. That is why states and localities are supposed to be able t fend for themselves for a time until the federal response can get organized. And this is nowhere near that kind of event.
And lets not get into the economic side. In WWI and II most workers were in unionized industrial jobs which provided access to a middle class lifestyle, plus he near full employment of WW I and II. Now? Most people work in fast food or low income jobs that are not unionized.
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^^^ Yup the perfect time to attack us is when you have the big orange dummy Russian Manchurian candidate in the White House
OMG we are freaking screwed...
Burr told family to withdraw everything from bank
Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) says when the financial crisis began he encouraged his wife to withdraw all the cash she possibly could from their local bank.
During a speech on the economy last night, Burr related his immediate reaction the week the crisis began. After hearing Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson relay a story about a major company having trouble transferring money between banks, Burr became worried about the solvency of his own bank.
"On Friday night, I called my wife and I said, 'Brooke, I am not coming home this weekend. I will call you on Monday. Tonight, I want you to go to the ATM machine, and I want you to draw out everything it will let you take," Burr said, according to the Hendersonville Times-News. "And I want you to tomorrow, and I want you to go Sunday.' I was convinced on Friday night that if you put a plastic card in an ATM machine the last thing you were going to get was cash."
Burr also gave a gloomy forecast for economic recovery.
"I would tell you it's not a recession," Burr said. "I would define this as a depression. A recession by definition is when you raise interest rates to slow growth. We are at a zero-interest-rate policy and have been. The world is at a zero-interest-rate policy, yet we continue to see the economy slide. We continue to see unemployment grow. We continue to see confidence wane not just here but around the world."
The senator came up with a new image to explain the prospects for recovery. Economists often speak of "U-shaped" or "V-shaped" recoveries, where economic growth rebounds either quickly or after a period of stagnation. But Burr think neither shape fits.
"Those are the only things they talk about," Burr said, according to the. "Either it's a lack of imagination or some belief that you can make everything fit into those two. Let me suggest to you today, I think we are in a Nike swoosh."
A slow, steady recovery in the shape of a swoosh is more likely, Burr said, because the causes of the crisis are deep and systemic. The crisis happened "primarily because the habits of the American consumer have changed permanently," Burr explained. "This is not temporary
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And the USA with its history and experience with Chemical and Biological Warfare should know better as they have been planning for similar events for years, right up to and after 9/11. They have spent many hundreds of billions of dollars on this over the years.
As a matter of fact the very same scenario we see right now was played/ planned at the Event 201.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And the USA with its history and experience with Chemical and Biological Warfare should know better as they have been planning for similar events for years, right up to and after 9/11. They have spent many hundreds of billions of dollars on this over the years.
As a matter of fact the very same scenario we see right now was played/ planned at the Event 201.
Yep. And this was held at John Hopkins University.
This is not a government organization, it is an academic non profit that is affiliated with a bunch of other academic and other institutions around the globe. It cannot direct money and resources for any specific government response because it is basically an NGO. The only way non governmental organizations like this can take over in the case of a crisis is if the U.S. government and other governments totally fail to respond like they should. And if that happens, I want my tax money back. Because prior to this the U.S. was able to respond to and handle global wars, diseases and other things without NGOs. And as you can see the US is right now struggling to respond. And that is because of nothing more than deliberate wrong actions taken on all levels. You can't make this many wrong turns unintentionally. That is what makes this whole thing so suspect. Oh and by the way all the R&D, research and financing for all this stuff is basically done in he U.S. with more biological BSL3 and 4 labs than any other country. These other organizations are just piggybacking on U.S. research labs and universities for this knowledge, which all came out of Government funding from at least WW II, including the internet.
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By Sukanya Charuchandra / Published March 23, 2018
Johns Hopkins University led all U.S. universities in research and development expenditures for the 38th consecutive year in fiscal year 2016, spending $2.431 billion on projects like fighting dengue, finding the functional age of cells, and explaining why the universe is making fewer stars.
The university's research spending in fiscal 2016, the most recent year for which data is available, was up 5.4 percent from fiscal 2015, according to the yearly National Science Foundation report on higher education R&D. That's nearly twice the percentage increase reported from 2014 to 2015.
quote: Why it matters: There's no way of knowing yet whether COVID-19 can cause damage on anything close to that scale. But Event 201 and other predictions about the rising threat from new infectious disease gave us plenty of warning about what the world is facing today.
Despite that, in the years before the coronavirus outbreak, the Trump White House dismantled the National Security Council's global health security unit and drastically cut the CDC's global health section. Local health departments lost more than 55,000 workers between 2008 and 2018, according to the Trust for America's Health. "There are major global vulnerabilities and challenges in pandemic preparedness and it will require collaboration between global business, governments and international organizations to address them," said Tom Inglesby, director of JHCHS.
And certainly nowhere in the recommendations from that exercise did they say shut down the whole country/economy as the primary response.
Just like after a Nuclear attack you don't tell people to stay in the house because of fallout and shut down the country. Because that means you are out of the fight, you aren't mobilizing and therefore the war is over. Not even in sci-fi movies with bio weapons that cause people to blow up and or spread the virus does that happen.
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quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: If you have a humidifier of diffuser use it. Keep you air moist.
The Cov-2 survives in most environments. That is why is reacts when it's in the body and not on (dry) skin. I "think" that a diffuser with a soap substance as additive will break down the virus, despite the distance. This probably why in China they used these dispensing systems.
quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: ^^^ Yup the perfect time to attack us is when you have the big orange dummy Russian Manchurian candidate in the White House
Cyber attacks indeed have increased within this time.
Coronavirus Themed Phishing, Malware, and Ransomware on the Rise - ThreatWire
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And certainly nowhere in the recommendations from that exercise did they say shut down the whole country/economy as the primary response.
Have you seen / looked at the exercise? Because they did speculated and did recommend these scenarios.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And certainly nowhere in the recommendations from that exercise did they say shut down the whole country/economy as the primary response.
Have you seen / looked at the exercise? Because they did speculated and did recommend these scenarios.
It is a lot to review and yes controls have to be put in place. That is perfectly fine. But shutting down the entire country has NEVER been the answer.
Say this was a terror attack then what? Or if it was a Nuke? Not only would you have radiation and biological injuries but also physical injuries requiring trauma care. Are you going to tell people to stop, drop and shelter in place? Of course not. That is not a response. The response is setting up tents, assessing the damage, finding the areas that have need, mobilizing teams to address the need. Even though this isn't a war, the response is similar. And the main theme is that the response should come early before things get out of hand and the primary tools are ,testing localized geographic area isolation and quarantine. They still haven't deployed any mass testing sites that are able to test large numbers of people. Even in NYC. That isn't an issue solved by people staying in the house all day. That is a logistical, planning and mobilization issue. Rite Aid, Walmart and Walgreens plus insurance based health care or hospitals aren't supposed to be able to handle this, especially when things get out of hand. They aren't set up to handle large numbers of casualties from a nuke or large scale virus outbreak. And the point is that all disease control experts and researchers know this. There is no health insurance that covers nuclear fallout or super deadly viral outbreak or deadly zombie bite.
The whole interstate highway system is open and available for transporting people and material wherever needed. Airports all across the country are basically closed and planes idle. There is absolutely NOTHING stopping them from mobilizing resources, materiel or people wherever needed.
And the whole point of biological or chemical warfare is as much psychological as physical. But the ultimate goal is to the destroy the nervous system of the country as much as individual bodies. Stopping the country from being able to function is absolutely the point.
Again, in 1918 the country was at war and there was no option to shut down the country. You take the hit, bury the dead and move on to keep functioning. Shutting down the is never the first option. But America doesn't manufacture anything anymore and as such workers in factories aren't the basis of the economy so they can pretend that working from home is the option. And how will you buy food if you are out of work? Wait 30 days and see how effective that turns out, by choice, not because of the virus.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: It is a lot to review and yes controls have to be put in place. That is perfectly fine. But shutting down the entire country has NEVER been the answer.
This spread of the COVID-19 is of a greater magnitude than what they tell us. I posted this in the earlier on. There are by far more people infected than what they tell us, because of the late response.
And other viruses are on the way that are capable of even more. This COVID-19 already mutated rapidly into COV-2, and keep evolving.
It's more dangerous than a bomb, because you can't see it coming unlike a bomb. And there have been cases with a long incubation time stretching to a month.
Why they need to shut down the country is because the have no weapon against it.
See, within the last 60 years they have messed a lot with DNA, and in more recent times they have messed even more with old viruses and bacterias. Trying to reemerge them etc.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Again, in 1918 the country was at war and there was no option to shut down the country.
Traveling in todays time is cheap and fast, and the knowledge of viruses and bacteria is not what is what back then. Science, and knowledge of logistics etc is all more advanced.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And the whole point of biological or chemical warfare is as much psychological as physical. But the ultimate goal is to the destroy the nervous system of the country as much as individual bodies. Stopping the country from being able to function is absolutely the point.
This is not over yet, even when this virus is defeated. There is politics behind this, and a war may break out over this. I did post it here, but it has been replaced to another thread.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: It is a lot to review and yes controls have to be put in place. That is perfectly fine. But shutting down the entire country has NEVER been the answer.
This spread of the COVID-19 is of a greater magnitude than what they tell us. I posted this in the earlier on. There are by far more people infected than what they tell us, because of the late response.
And other viruses are on the way that are capable of even more. This COVID-19 already mutated rapidly into COV-2, and keep evolving.
I agree there is a virus, I don't agree that shutting down the country is the answer. The number of deaths in the US is not going to come anywhere near the number from the Spanish Flu and they didn't shut down the country for that AND they were fighting a world war. They didn't have computers, they didn't have robots, they didn't have jets but they survived just fine. We are worried about a few thousand deaths when the Spanish few killed millions. Not saying that millions of deaths is OK in this day and age but the technology we have is more than able to handle such an outbreak if it is that bad. It is about how quickly you deploy those tools. Waiting months for a response is not a solution. Not to mention this isn't a nuclear or biological war and millions of people aren't dying or going to die. Just like people can travel anywhere quickly you can transport people and supplies anywhere quickly and they aren't trying to do that. And staying home doesn't stop the spread of a virus. It may slow it, but not stop it. If people have it and is more widespread, then staying home is not solving that. Houses arent BSL facilities. Isolation and quarantine facilities are the only option to truly stop the spread, sooner than later. You have to understand that these people are bluffing. They don't have the resources to respond like they should and the healthcare system was fragile before this even started. And if they do have the resources they aren't acting like it is as extreme of an emergency as they claim that would require those resources.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: The number of deaths in the US is not going to come anywhere near the number from the Spanish Flu and they didn't shot down the country for that AND they were fighting a world war.
They made estimates of about 1 billions people that potentially may die. So based on this I think they aren't telling us all and everything.
Some already have tried to compare the Spanish Flu to this outbreak, but that has been refuted. Another argument that can be made is that they try to prevent it from breaking out like the Spanish Flu. Why wait till millions have died, for you shut it all down?
quote: In 1918, a new respiratory virus invaded the human population and killed between 50 million and 100 million people — adjusted for population, that would equal 220 million to 430 million people today. Late last year another new respiratory virus invaded the human population, and the reality of a pandemic is now upon us. Although clearly a serious threat to human health, it does not appear to be as deadly as the 1918 influenza pandemic. But it is far more lethal than 2009’s H1N1 (swine flu) pandemic, and the coronavirus does not resemble SARS, MERS or Ebola, all of which can be easily contained.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Not saying that millions of deaths is OK in this day and age but the technology we have is more than able to handle such an outbreak if it is that bad. It is about how quickly you deploy those tools. Waiting months for a response is not a solution.
This is partially true, because they did deploy, but it was late 2019 in China and they truly acted upon it almost a month later. It was basically too late after ignoring device from the doctor who discovered the virus. In between time people traveled and had contact with people from outside of China and vice versa. Now they play the blame-game where the virus came from and how it originated. The USA says China and China says the USA.
This is also politics and more is going on. China was/ is about the become the dominant economic power.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: The number of deaths in the US is not going to come anywhere near the number from the Spanish Flu and they didn't shot down the country for that AND they were fighting a world war.
They made estimates of about 1 billions people that potentially may die. So based on this I think they aren't telling us all and everything.
Some already have tried to compare the Spanish Flu to this outbreak, but that has been refuted.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Not saying that millions of deaths is OK in this day and age but the technology we have is more than able to handle such an outbreak if it is that bad. It is about how quickly you deploy those tools. Waiting months for a response is not a solution.
This is partially true, they did deploy late 2019, but that was too late. In between time people have traveled and had contact with people outside of China. Now they play the blame-game where the virus came from. The USA says China and China says the USA.
This is also politics and more is going on. China was/ is about the become the dominant economic power.
Well, all I can say is that if it was as deadly as they they wouldn't be giving out contradictory information. The USA has all the exprerience and knowledge required to respond they just aren't. I guess people today don't understand what a mass mobilization looks like. There is no mass mobilization going on. It is all a bunch of hot air. Again, the standard is that if there is a serious outbreak you segregate, isolate and quarantine people for treatment. That means mobilization to erect separate medical facilities to test and treat people, separate facilities to house first responders and keep them quarantined from infection. Separate facilities to decontaminate people and equipment. Separate facilities to store equipment and supplies to prevent contamination. Separate facilities to feed and house the sick and the care givers. All of that is standard practice in the case of a serious viral outbreak or NBC warfare attack. None of that is happening in the USA. Yet they tell people to just go to the hospital and yet at the same time they say the hospitals can't handle a surge..... Contradiction. Not to mention everybody knows you don't want infected people going to hospitals and care centers anyway because they are spreading the virus..... This isn't new stuff nobody knows about and hasn't been preparing for and spending billions of dollars researching.
A large number of the people who have died so far from this were elderly people with other conditions in Washington State nursing homes. Mos of the people who are getting this are being told to go home and chill, like you do for a common cold. There is no treatment. If this was "super deadly" that wouldn't be possible. Just watch the news and see all the people they are interviewing with it. They are chilling at home like they got a cold.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: There is no mass mobilization going on.
They told people to stay home, as they did over here. I have cousin in Spain who told me about the condition of the total lockdown over there. It's forbidding to leave the home without a proper argument. I have colleges with family in Italy (the core) where it's the same.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: It is all a bunch of hot air. Again, the standard is that if there is a serious outbreak you segregate, isolate and quarantine people for treatment.
They do segregate, isolate and quarantine people for treatment, but the issue is that the virus has an incubation of at least 6 days and can lead up to 27 days.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Separate facilities to decontaminate people and equipment. Separate facilities to store equipment and supplies to prevent contamination. None of that is happening in the USA.
I agree, and scientist on this matter agree with this as well. I did post an article on this where Trump is criticized, how The Trump administration acted too late. See here:
quote: After weeks of Trump’s downplaying the threat of the novel coronavirus, contradicting his own advisers, and misstating the number of US cases and spread anticipated by scientists, public-health experts and a presidential historian gave Trump a dismal review as the US begins grappling with a crisis that could affect daily life for months.
~Businessinsider
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Yet they tell people to just go to the hospital and yet at the same time they say the hospitals can't handle a surge.....
That is most likely a logistical problem. From what I understand a lot of hospitals have been closed. This has been going on for a few years already.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Not to mention everybody knows you don't want infected people going to hospitals and care centers anyway because they are spreading the virus.....
The virus can be contained if following the procedures. Over here nurses made up the largest portion of new (tested) cases.
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Ppl r not being told to go to hospital They tellin to call PCP 1st for further recommendation Hosps don't want drop-ins Hosps wannabe prepared for suspected CoViD 19 cases They have seperate entrance etc for them
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Keep up w/t news reports All o dem diff networks diff cities from t/same network diff country's reports
I got more useful info from Minnesota of all places
The curve shows S Korea knows how to handle this All nations are not created equal Straight slope countries need adapt as many SK methods as will work locally
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: he curve shows S Korea knows how to handle this All nations are not created equal Straight slope countries need adapt as many SK methods as will work locally
The moment when S. Korea had tens of thousands test kits, the USA had only 1 test kit. At least that is what the news reports told.
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Stay home: People who are mildly ill with COVID-19 are able to recover at home. Do not leave, except to get medical care. Do not visit public areas. Stay in touch with your doctor. Call before you get medical care. Be sure to get care if you feel worse or you think it is an emergency. Avoid public transportation: Avoid using public transportation, ride-sharing, or taxis.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: he curve shows S Korea knows how to handle this All nations are not created equal Straight slope countries need adapt as many SK methods as will work locally
The moment when S. Korea had tens of thousands test kits, the USA had only 1 test kit. At least that is what the news reports told.
Those were WHO test kits. The US didn't want to use those kits and preferred to develop their own tests.
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Ambassador Debbie Birx, the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator: The mortality rate of coronavirus in males seems to be twice that of women in all age groups.
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quote:A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.
Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats.
“It will offer more opportunities for Chinese researchers, and our contribution on the BSL‑4-level pathogens will benefit the world,” says George Gao, director of the Chinese Academy of Sciences Key Laboratory of Pathogenic Microbiology and Immunology in Beijing. There are already two BSL-4 labs in Taiwan, but the National Bio-safety Laboratory, Wuhan, would be the first on the Chinese mainland.
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Many staff from the Wuhan lab have been training at a BSL-4 lab in Lyon, which some scientists find reassuring. And the facility has already carried out a test-run using a low-risk virus.
But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.
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Lina says that China’s size justifies this scale, and that the opportunity to combine BSL-4 research with an abundance of research monkeys — Chinese researchers face less red tape than those in the West when it comes to research on primates — could be powerful. “If you want to test vaccines or antivirals, you need a non-human primate model,” says Lina.
But Ebright is not convinced of the need for more than one BSL-4 lab in mainland China. He suspects that the expansion there is a reaction to the networks in the United States and Europe, which he says are also unwarranted. He adds that governments will assume that such excess capacity is for the potential development of bioweapons.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: he curve shows S Korea knows how to handle this All nations are not created equal Straight slope countries need adapt as many SK methods as will work locally
The moment when S. Korea had tens of thousands test kits, the USA had only 1 test kit. At least that is what the news reports told.
Those were WHO test kits. The US didn't want to use those kits and preferred to develop their own tests.
Ok, thanks for informing and thanks for the Nature Wuhan pathogen article. Personally I think more is going on with these Paleolithic, Mesolithic and Neolithic pathogens they have messed around with.
quote: Only a few labs will earn funding for such “gain-of-function” research on SARS, MERS, and other deadly diseases.
As of Tuesday (December 19), the US government has ended its moratorium on funding “gain-of-function” research on deadly pathogens. These studies allow for the manipulation of potentially pandemic-causing viruses.
quote: US government lifts ban on risky pathogen research The National Institutes of Health will again fund research that makes viruses more dangerous.
The US government has lifted its controversial ban on funding experiments that make certain pathogens more deadly or transmissible. On 19 December, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced that scientists can once again use federal money to conduct ‘gain-of-function’ research on pathogens such as influenza viruses. But the agency also said that researchers’ grant applications will undergo greater scrutiny than in the past.
Nature 553, 11 (2018) doi: 10.1038/d41586-017-08837-7
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Did US ‘Refuse’ COVID-19 Testing Kits from the World Health Organization? Criticism over the failure to conduct immediate, widespread coronavirus testing in the U.S. focused on the availability of test kits from the WHO. BETHANIA PALMA PUBLISHED 17 MARCH 2020
The novel coronavirus outbreak in Italy — whose health care system has more hospital beds per 1,000 people than the United States — could signal a lack of preparedness on the US front, according to commentary published this week in the New England Journal of Medicine.
"Though Italy’s health system is highly regarded and has 3.2 hospital beds per 1,000 people (as compared with 2.8 in the United States), it has been impossible to meet the needs of so many critically ill patients simultaneously," Dr. Lisa Rosenbaum, a cardiologist at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, wrote in the perspective piece published Wednesday. Despite hospitals in Italy canceling elective surgeries and turning operating rooms into temporary intensive care units, the country has seen limited capacity in treating an influx of COVID-19 patients, Rosenbaum said. And doctors have had to ration care.
Experts, including US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams, have widely cautioned that the US could "become Italy" as the outbreak worsens stateside.
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Did US ‘Refuse’ COVID-19 Testing Kits from the World Health Organization? Criticism over the failure to conduct immediate, widespread coronavirus testing in the U.S. focused on the availability of test kits from the WHO. BETHANIA PALMA PUBLISHED 17 MARCH 2020
The novel coronavirus outbreak in Italy — whose health care system has more hospital beds per 1,000 people than the United States — could signal a lack of preparedness on the US front, according to commentary published this week in the New England Journal of Medicine.
"Though Italy’s health system is highly regarded and has 3.2 hospital beds per 1,000 people (as compared with 2.8 in the United States), it has been impossible to meet the needs of so many critically ill patients simultaneously," Dr. Lisa Rosenbaum, a cardiologist at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, wrote in the perspective piece published Wednesday. Despite hospitals in Italy canceling elective surgeries and turning operating rooms into temporary intensive care units, the country has seen limited capacity in treating an influx of COVID-19 patients, Rosenbaum said. And doctors have had to ration care.
Experts, including US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams, have widely cautioned that the US could "become Italy" as the outbreak worsens stateside.
Unsecured and poor people in America will spike the stats unlike another place in the Western world. If this isn't being managed well total anarchy will rule the USA. And I am surprised that places with high opioid abuse don't show higher stats. I guess these places haven't been tested, but I could be wrong.
"President Donald Trump’s response to COVID-19 has been under fire since the first cases began appearing in the United States in late January 2020. Here’s how his response has evolved since then to late March 2020, when state and federal governments began to take drastic measures to curb its spread."
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Did US ‘Refuse’ COVID-19 Testing Kits from the World Health Organization? Criticism over the failure to conduct immediate, widespread coronavirus testing in the U.S. focused on the availability of test kits from the WHO. BETHANIA PALMA PUBLISHED 17 MARCH 2020
I did read it prior, but decided not to post on this because you didn't want gossips in this thread.
Snopes is not a gossip site. It's a fact checking site in this entry they uses quotes from official sources
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] Snopes
Did US ‘Refuse’ COVID-19 Testing Kits from the World Health Organization? Criticism over the failure to conduct immediate, widespread coronavirus testing in the U.S. focused on the availability of test kits from the WHO. BETHANIA PALMA PUBLISHED 17 MARCH 2020
People are not going to have money to buy food once they lose their jobs,' says Roubini
Economist and professor at New York University's Stern School of Business Nouriel Roubini discusses the impact the COVID-19 pandemic is having on the economy.
He says unless every citizen gets $1000 people living paycheck to paycheck will run out of money for food and they will riot and raid supermarkets
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How many of them have been tested, before spreading it even more?
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Did US ‘Refuse’ COVID-19 Testing Kits from the World Health Organization? Criticism over the failure to conduct immediate, widespread coronavirus testing in the U.S. focused on the availability of test kits from the WHO. BETHANIA PALMA PUBLISHED 17 MARCH 2020
The shady part is that the U.S. spends billions yearly on biomedical research and is the leading country in the world on such research. But a lot of that since the 70s pivoted away from preparing for all out war with Russia to training and equipping foreign countries and institutions like the WHO and China (China in the 70s and 80s had nothing). To the point where when a crisis emerges in the USA, they act helpless. It is pathetic.
South Korea responded so well because South Korea is on a war footing and has been prepping and training for all out war with North Korea for years. That shows you what full mobilization looks like. It is no joke and doesn't take months and months. The US has only really prepared for such things on paper. Even though South Koreas preparations for war include partnerships with US companies, the US government and military.
Not only that, in WWI WWII and the cold war there was no such thing as health insurance. And nobody expected health insurance to cover you in the case of a virus outbreak. But in today's America the insurance companies and big pharma are trying to guarantee their profits versus the safety of the people. This is a big reason why the government is dragging their feet because they want to make sure those companies get a chunk of profits.
And from an economics perspective this is just another example of looting the country for profit and gain by corporate interests. Instead of spending a $100 million to a few billion to mobilize tents and testing facilities to test and quarantine people with the virus, they have been dragging their feet. This lets the virus spread because again your house isn't a bio containment facility. You are still spreading the virus. The only way to guarantee no spread is quarantine separate from the general population in facilities designed for it. But the US dragged their feet because doing that would mean that the Insurance companies and drug companies wouldn't get profits from those seeking testing or treatment. YOu don't expect a health insurance company to protect you in the case of an NBC attack or deadly virus outbreak. Only the govt is supposed to do this and that is why you pay your taxes. But they would rather spend multiple trillions of dollars bailing out the big banks and companies as a result of this shutdown versus spending a few billion early on to mobilize like they are supposed to in a "National Emergency". They are full of it.
A example of how this govt funding into R&D goes on to benefit people globally but not the USA is the N95 face mask. "N95" is simply a rating given to a respirator based on its ability to filter particles. This technology was developed first at the University of Tennessee. Peter Tsai, was the primary engineer behind the microfiber material inside the mask. The University of Tennessee and Material Science Lab is heavily funded by the United States government and the University Manages Oak Ridge National Lab, also in Tennessee. One major category of these projects was to develop better materials to protect from chemical, nuclear and biological agents. Prior to the development of the N95 and other similar types of materials and masks, the only real protection for first responders were bulky gas masks and hazmat suits with air tanks. These lightweight fabric masks were much cheaper to produce and distribute and allowed many more people opportunity for protection. However, that tech was sent offshore for manufacturing, as a result of the US textile industry offshoring manufacturing. And as a result these masks became synonymous with Japan and other Asian countries as many people wear them on the street and often these are made by 3M subsidiaries in Asia.
Yet, right now, the USA that invented the tech, doesn't have them even though they were designed for just this sort of situation.
quote: Peter Tsai may not be a household name, but odds are you know his work.
The recently retired research faculty member of Material Sciences is the architect behind the essential technology in N95 respirators. These respirators are required by OSHA when working in dusty environments to remove at least 95% of submicron particles, and recommended by the World Health Organization to protect against SARS, bird and swine flu, and other airborne diseases. The University of Tennessee’s world-renowned expert in nonwoven fabrics has 12 U.S. patents and over 20 commercial license agreements and counting under his belt. In the last six months alone, UTRF has non-exclusively licensed his most recent technology to four companies globally.
We'll see where it leads to, but I think it's too late. I think it's already rampant. In Belgium doctors found that now even healthy and younger people in their 30s and even 20s are getting sick and dying. It's not that prevalent, but never the less. This was released only yesterday. The more they find the crazier it gets.
A woman who was in China, put in isolation didn't show any signs for 3 weeks. So she moved to the USA. The fourth week the virus resurfaced.
People ignore the signs and go to the beach etc. One woman escaped from the hospital and was missing for hours.
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