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Doug said: Black politicians put in place since the 70s are mere tokens to appease the masses and never did have the economic, political or social clout to actually follow through on the promises of civil rights. They are no different than the ANC folks put in charge after apartheid or many other neo-colonial puppets in Africa. Their only claim to fame in most cases is getting a check for themselves and maybe some relatives but nothing else for the people.
True in part, but keep in mind that some black politicians were actually fiercely OPPOSED by the white establishment. Coleman Young for example clashed repeatedly with the white powers that be. And in some cases they were denied necessary clout due to white disinvestment in the central cities, and declines in the regional economies- auto manufacturing being a case in point in the “rustbelt” regions- and declines in the tax base.
The economic situation was that before the 70s, you could get a decent job with just a high school diploma to raise a family. After the 70s, those jobs mostly disappeared and now you need a college degree for a "chance" at a decent job. And most schools since the 70s only fell further behind in the task of educating the children to prepare for those jobs.
True in part, though it should be noted that numerous trades, crafts and jobs don’t require a 4-year degree- nurses for example, police officers, or plumbers.
Not to mention that none of these politicians demanded money for inner cities to build up the schools or provide grants and assistance to black businesses.
Incorrect. Any credible basic history shows plenty of demand for money for the inner city. The problem is that the demands were never met.
The majority of black businesses that did exist died off by the 80s and 90s.
Not true at all. Black business have actually expanded since the 1960s, and are richer and stronger than ever- whether it be black manufacturers, or well known media entities like BET or Orpah. One of the biggest business deals in America during the 1980s was that put together by a black man at Beatrice Foods- a billion dolla deal.
quote from a credible source:
"Black Enterprise proclaimed TLC Beatrice International the magazine’s 1988 company of the year in recognition of TLC Beatrice International’s $1 billion in revenues. Lewis encouraged corporations such as General Foods, Equitable, and Aetna to lend money to minority-owned firms. He helped many minority enterprise small business investment corporations (MESBICs) acquire more than $100 million in funding between 1973 and 1984... Edward Koch appointed Lewis to the Off Track Betting Corporation; and during his four-year tenure, Lewis attempted to increase the numbers of African Americans and Hispanics bidding for contracts." --Jessie Carney Smith, 2006. Encyclopedia of African-American Business, vol 1 and 2-- pg 475-476
At the lower end many the numbers of black businesses went UP during the 1980 and 1990s and 1970s. Do not buy into simplistic narratives. We have debated these issues extensively on Reloaded. See: Juliet Walker- one of the foremost scholars on black business.
"Still, it was not until federal government minority business programs and black capitalism initiatives in force in the post -Civil Rights era that the doors of the mainstream American business and consumer markets in the private sector were opened to black entrepreneurs... Until then, black business existed primarily in a segregated race-based black consumer market economy. Throughout the twentieth century there were four phases in the rise of Black Corporate America, marked primarily by markets served, degree and kind of ownership of enterprises and amount of business receipts. While leading black enterprises in the first phase of the rise of Black Corporat e America, 1900-1938, had annual sales of close to a million dollars, the second phase of the rise of Black Corporate America , 1939-1964, marked the emergence black businesses with receipts in the millions of dollars. With the third (1965 to 1990) and fourth (1990--) phases in the rise of Black Corporate America, leading black businesses had receipts in excess of $100 million. In the fourth phase of the rise of Black Corporate America, black business activity exceeded the one billion dollar mark, in several ways, in receipts, value of the business, and the emergence of the first black billionaire entrepreneur.
.. Moreover, by the end of the twentieth century, during the initial years of the fourth phase of the rise of Black Corporate America in the 1990s, black business was distinguished not only by federal government affirmative action initiatives, but also by successful commodification of black culture." --Juliet E. K. Walker, War, women, song- The tectonics of black business and entrepreneurship, 1939–2001 (The Review of Black Political Economy/Winter 2004)
And these same black politicians welcomed foreigners with open arms to open businesses in the hood but nothing to keep and expand the black ones.
Again not necessarily true.
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ANTIFA is all white so of course they can be subverted by the WS
ne 1, 2020, 4:03 PM MST / Updated June 1, 2020, 5:57 PM MST By Ben Collins, Brandy Zadrozny and Emmanuelle Saliba A Twitter account claiming to belong to a national “antifa” organization and pushing violent rhetoric related to ongoing protests has been linked to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa, according to a Twitter spokesperson.
The spokesperson said the account violated the company's platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts. Twitter suspended the account after a tweet that incited violence.
As protests were taking place in multiple states across the U.S. Sunday night, the newly created account, @ANTIFA_US, tweeted, “Tonight’s the night, Comrades,” with a brown raised fist emoji and “Tonight we say 'F--- The City' and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what's ours …”
This isn’t the first time Twitter has taken action against fake accounts engaged in hateful conduct linked to Identity Evropa, according to the spokesperson.
The antifa movement — a network of loosely organized radical groups who use direct action to fight the far-right and fascism — has been targeted by President Donald Trump as the force behind some of the violence and property destruction seen at some protests, though little evidence has been provided for such claims.
Other misinformation and misleading claims spread across Twitter on Sunday night and into Monday related to the protests.
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Two hashtags that trended worldwide on Twitter falsely claimed that there was a "cover-up" or a "blackout" of protests in Washington, D.C., overnight. Both appeared to insinuate that protesters have been silenced in some way, perhaps by a secret internet blackout.
Twitter says it has removed the trend from its "trending topics" section because of "coordinated attempts to disrupt the public conversation" around the protests.
Twitter said it suspended several hundred accounts and is investigating the viral spread of the hashtag, which it said was boosted by "hundreds of spammy accounts."
"We're taking action proactively on any coordinated attempts to disrupt the public conversation around this issue," a Twitter spokesperson said.
The spokesperson said the company sometimes pulls down hashtags that violate the company's rules, like platform manipulation.
Curfew imposed as Washington DC braces for another night of unrest JUNE 1, 202001:25 "We want trends to promote healthy discussions on Twitter. This means that at times, we may prevent certain content from trending. These include trends that violate the Twitter Rules," the Twitter spokesperson said.
NetBlocks, a nonprofit group monitoring worldwide internet access, found no indication of a mass-scale internet disruption in the Washington area overnight or in the last 48 hours.
Journalists covering the protests also took to Twitter to disprove the hoax.
"A lot of people are asking me about a possible #dcblackout. I've been out near the White House since 4 am and haven't experienced any outage," tweeted Victoria Sanchez, a reporter for WJLA, the local ABC affiliate, adding that her colleagues had posted multiple updates throughout the night.
Recommended VIDEO TV cameraman struck by officer while covering White House protests CONGRESS Matt Gaetz tweet on hunting antifa hit with warning from Twitter for glorifying violence Many accounts tweeting the message had few to no followers. The same messages were also posted on Reddit and 4chan late Sunday. The posts pushing the #DCBlackout hashtag peaked in popularity around 12:30 a.m. ET Monday.
A second narrative boosted by bots and hacked accounts claimed that #DCBlackout is a misinformation campaign. The same message was tweeted verbatim by multiple accounts.
"Yeah...... as someone seeing #dcblackout trending, who lives and works in the DC metro area, and who has friends telecommuting into DC rn..... This hashtag looks like misinformation," read the tweet, which was posted hundreds of times.
Some accounts had few to no followers, while other tweets were posted by users who claim to have been hacked.
One verified Twitter user, Jason Elia, said his account was hacked to tweet the message. Elia lives in Oklahoma City and said he wouldn't go to Washington "unless they build an In-N-Out there." He said he has since changed his password.
A demonstrator raises arms next to U.S. Secret Service uniformed division officers during a rally near the White House on June 1, 2020.Jonathan Ernst / Reuters The goal of the hashtag seems to be to sow confusion and fear during a chaotic time and to push the #DCBlackout hashtag to the front page of Twitter, where all users would at least glance at the disinformation.
Josh Russell, an independent bot researcher who identifies foreign and domestic hacking and trolling operations, said events like the weekend's protests are ripe for this kind of platform manipulation.
"Any large 'online' event is going to have these types of things happen. Every bad actor that sees the opportunity to create some panic is going to leverage the situation to do so. It's nothing new," Russell said.
Off Twitter, viral text messages of screenshots of doctored tweets have circulated throughout the country. Some of the false text messages claim that extremist groups are plotting to move into residential areas this week.
Bot researchers call this kind of disinformation distribution "hidden viral" text messages, which go undetected on mainstream platforms like Facebook and Twitter and can spread like wildfire without moderation.
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Similar "hidden viral" text messages went viral at the beginning of the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., with messages claiming that the institution of martial law was imminent, vaguely citing friends or co-workers.
American officials later claimed that the texts were boosted by Chinese disinformation agents to spread panic.
Russell said hostile foreign governments frequently "look at opportunities to make it seem as though there is an infrastructure failure" during times of crisis.
"This is a common thing for foreign disinformation agents," Russell said. "They would be trying to get people to believe that things are much worse on the ground than they are."
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: True in part, but keep in mind that some black politicians were actually fiercely OPPOSED by the white establishment. Coleman Young for example clashed repeatedly with the white powers that be. And in some cases they were denied necessary clout due to white disinvestment in the central cities, and declines in the regional economies- auto manufacturing being a case in point in the “rustbelt” regions- and declines in the tax base.
That is my point. They were powerless to make anything happen. If we are going to judge them solely by words that is one thing, but really it is about results. This is part of the game. Put a black face in charge and have them spout a bunch of rhetoric that sounds good but at the end of the day they are empty shells. Not really debating you just pointing out that people are tired of empty speeches and no actions. But you are right many other politicians don't even give lip service to the issues.
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Though it should be noted that numerous trades, crafts and jobs don’t require a 4-year degree- nurses for example, police officers, or plumbers.
True but those trade skills used to be had in high school and even back during the great migration it was hard for black men to get into certain trades because of racism. Many of those that did often did due to government jobs at Navy Yards and so forth: welders, pipefitters, etc. But in the normal market it was hard. Now in order to get that training you have to join a union and most of them are historically white. This goes back to how unions were created to keep blacks out of those jobs in the first place(late 1800s). That specifically was an issue never addressed by any politician in any serious way locally or nationally, but I know many groups were trying to get local workers to help in rebuilding the inner city. But often those projects failed to get the necessary scale and support needed to make a difference. To this day most black trades are often done as a side hustle for one reason or another either because they aren't formally licensed or working on the side.
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Incorrect. Any credible basic history shows plenty of demand for money for the inner city. The problem is that the demands were never met.
Yes which again points to lack of true power among the black political class. At they end of the day they are expendable puppets at best. Meaning this is a core issue with the distrust of the political establishment. Other groups demand things and get results, why shouldn't black folks?
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Not true at all. Black business have actually expanded since the 1960s, and are richer and stronger than ever- whether it be black manufacturers, or well known media entities like BET or Orpah. One of the biggest business deals in America during the 1980s was that put together by a black man at Beatrice Foods- a billion dolla deal.
quote from a credible source:
"Black Enterprise proclaimed TLC Beatrice International the magazine’s 1988 company of the year in recognition of TLC Beatrice International’s $1 billion in revenues. Lewis encouraged corporations such as General Foods, Equitable, and Aetna to lend money to minority-owned firms. He helped many minority enterprise small business investment corporations (MESBICs) acquire more than $100 million in funding between 1973 and 1984... Edward Koch appointed Lewis to the Off Track Betting Corporation; and during his four-year tenure, Lewis attempted to increase the numbers of African Americans and Hispanics bidding for contracts." --Jessie Carney Smith, 2006. Encyclopedia of African-American Business, vol 1 and 2-- pg 475-476
At the lower end many the numbers of black businesses went UP during the 1980 and 1990s and 1970s. Do not buy into simplistic narratives. We have debated these issues extensively on Reloaded. See: Juliet Walker- one of the foremost scholars on black business.
"Still, it was not until federal government minority business programs and black capitalism initiatives in force in the post -Civil Rights era that the doors of the mainstream American business and consumer markets in the private sector were opened to black entrepreneurs... Until then, black business existed primarily in a segregated race-based black consumer market economy. Throughout the twentieth century there were four phases in the rise of Black Corporate America, marked primarily by markets served, degree and kind of ownership of enterprises and amount of business receipts. While leading black enterprises in the first phase of the rise of Black Corporat e America, 1900-1938, had annual sales of close to a million dollars, the second phase of the rise of Black Corporate America , 1939-1964, marked the emergence black businesses with receipts in the millions of dollars. With the third (1965 to 1990) and fourth (1990--) phases in the rise of Black Corporate America, leading black businesses had receipts in excess of $100 million. In the fourth phase of the rise of Black Corporate America, black business activity exceeded the one billion dollar mark, in several ways, in receipts, value of the business, and the emergence of the first black billionaire entrepreneur.
.. Moreover, by the end of the twentieth century, during the initial years of the fourth phase of the rise of Black Corporate America in the 1990s, black business was distinguished not only by federal government affirmative action initiatives, but also by successful commodification of black culture." --Juliet E. K. Walker, War, women, song- The tectonics of black business and entrepreneurship, 1939–2001 (The Review of Black Political Economy/Winter 2004)
I am going by storefront businesses in the neighborhood from personal experience. There may be other types of businesses today but in the actual hood and on the streets black businesses have disapppeared. In the 70s there were plenty of black grocery stores, record stores, dry cleaners, laundrymats, clothing stores and other businesses. And this is before Korean stores and Dominican or Mexican stores were even thought about. Those groups were organized starting in their own countries and because of that were able to agressively promote themselves on the local small business associations and chambers of commerce and minority business coalitions which allowed them to get support from various black officials at the local level. And the core reason is these others are organized as a group and have coalitions/syndicates which allows them to spread the risk and cost across all members. While most black stores were individual affairs where one individual was trying to do it all themselves and hence took on all the risk by themselves.
have coalitions/syndicates which allows them to spread the risk and cost across all members. While most black stores were individual affairs where one individual was trying to do it all themselves and hence took on all the risk by themselves.
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Cooperative economics is the key.. whether.. Jewish, Amish, Mormon, Nation of Islam, Mouride brotherhood ... IT WORKS..The key here is "religion" even though I am a non believer.. the cooperative has to have a moral core at it's center for the formation of rules and regulations...
On....Storefront business owned by different ethnicities..
My hot take.. these dudes don't want to work a regular job.. liquor stores and smoke shops and all they do is sit on thier lazy azzzes all day and charge exorbitant prices for their goods.
on top of that if many 1st generation, Indians ( hindu or muslim) Arabs ( dark skinned) tried to work in Corporate America would be discriminated against which is why the second generation try to become doctors and dentists...
So basically, the corner store is the immigrants come up on the black folk.. which is why I refuse to buy anything in any of these stores..
And that is how I teach the me and my wing...
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Yatunde Lisa (article) said: A Twitter account claiming to belong to a national “antifa” organization and pushing violent rhetoric related to ongoing protests has been linked to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa, according to a Twitter spokesperson.
The spokesperson said the account violated the company's platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts. Twitter suspended the account after a tweet that incited violence.
As protests were taking place in multiple states across the U.S. Sunday night, the newly created account, @ANTIFA_US, tweeted, “Tonight’s the night, Comrades,” with a brown raised fist emoji and “Tonight we say 'F--- The City' and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what's ours …”
This isn’t the first time Twitter has taken action against fake accounts engaged in hateful conduct linked to Identity Evropa, according to the spokesperson.
Yeah, I have no doubt there are some false flags trying to blame "Antifa" for everything, in order to divert attention from valid protests, or discredit the protests or the people in them.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Three men linked to a violent white supremacist group known as The Base were charged with conspiring to kill members of a militant anti-fascist group,
police in Georgia announced Friday, a day after three other members were arrested on federal charges in Maryland and Delaware.
A senior FBI national security official said police and federal agents intentionally moved to arrest the men ahead of Monday’s rally because they believed some of them intended to commit violence there. It was unknown if the men arrested in Georgia planned to attend the rally in Richmond.
The Base, a collective of hardcore neo-Nazis that operate as a paramilitary organization, has proclaimed war against minority communities within the United States and abroad, the FBI has said. Unlike other extremist groups, it’s not focused on promulgating propaganda — instead the group aims to bring together highly skilled members to train them for acts of violence.
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I am going by storefront businesses in the neighborhood from personal experience. There may be other types of businesses today but in the actual hood and on the streets black businesses have disappeared. In the 70s there were plenty of black grocery stores, record stores, dry cleaners, laundrymats, clothing stores and other businesses. And this is before Korean stores and Dominican or Mexican stores were even thought about. Those groups were organized starting in their own countries and because of that were able to aggressively promote themselves on the local small business associations and chambers of commerce and minority business coalitions which allowed them to get support from various black officials at the local level.
I don’t think it was black officialdom that did much for their expansion. The thing is since the 1960s, small mom and pops in the hood have been declining. One of the big reasons is the rise of big chain and discount stores that undercut small operators. Another reason is the advantages reaped for being white, though this is not a sole explanation. Whites have ALWAYS operated in black business districts or close to them. Every history of black business shows this. They could get better stock, better locations, better financing, etc, and on top of that in most black business districts the landlords were white. Integration magnified these advantages ALREADY in place. All this was BEFORE the arrival of substantial black political representation in the 1970s. The history of black business with countless “buy black” campaigns going back to the late 1800s show this starkly.
Fast forward to the1970s. The Koreans and others came in with enough cash on hand to establish themselves and displace black renters. They were not dirt poor peasant immigrants off the boat. They had the cash on hand, and the willingness to pack in family and friends to work cheap or free and long hours. In short they muscled out the black biz already in decline. They didn’t really need black politicians to do the above, but as a bonus, of course to get city contracts and things like that, or favorable zoning they needed to work with the political establishment. But this is secondary. All the Koreans had to do to muscle into a hood, is simply outbid black competitors to get a storefront. White landlords, who own much of the property in the hood, were only too happy to take Korean cash. Same thing with Arabs, Lebanese, Indians etc. They use superior cash or credit resources to outmuscle any competition.
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quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: WASHINGTON (AP) — Three men linked to a violent white supremacist group known as The Base were charged with conspiring to kill members of a militant anti-fascist group,
police in Georgia announced Friday, a day after three other members were arrested on federal charges in Maryland and Delaware.
A senior FBI national security official said police and federal agents intentionally moved to arrest the men ahead of Monday’s rally because they believed some of them intended to commit violence there. It was unknown if the men arrested in Georgia planned to attend the rally in Richmond.
The Base, a collective of hardcore neo-Nazis that operate as a paramilitary organization, has proclaimed war against minority communities within the United States and abroad, the FBI has said. Unlike other extremist groups, it’s not focused on promulgating propaganda — instead the group aims to bring together highly skilled members to train them for acts of violence.
Glad to see it, but the "Base" has been around a while with its paramilitary training and threats. What took feds so long a cynic may ask? But anyhow, if it cuts such violence- its all good.
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quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: Cooperative economics is the key.. whether.. Jewish, Amish, Mormon, Nation of Islam, Mouride brotherhood ... IT WORKS..The key here is "religion" even though I am a non believer.. the cooperative has to have a moral core at it's center for the formation of rules and regulations...
Whadda ya mean religion being the key? I only ask in that non-religious ties seem to work well too.
On....Storefront business owned by different ethnicities..
My hot take.. these dudes don't want to work a regular job.. liquor stores and smoke shops and all they do is sit on thier lazy azzzes all day and charge exorbitant prices for their goods.
I would not quite say that. Typically these people work very long hours, and pack in friends and family to help lower labor costs. Margins in the ghetto are fairly low- they have to do use hours and cheap labor to make a profit. If you look at Haitians in business, they are running the same game plan.
on top of that if many 1st generation, Indians ( hindu or muslim) Arabs ( dark skinned) tried to work in Corporate America would be discriminated against which is why the second generation try to become doctors and dentists...
True and in top of that many have a language barrier which is why, logically, they go into business. The only move they can really make unless they want to work minimum wage, and there they would be competing with even more low cost labor like Mexican illegals.
So basically, the corner store is the immigrants come up on the black folk.. which is why I refuse to buy anything in any of these stores..
And that is how I teach the me and my wing...
OK. though of course, the masses in the hood will continue to patronize those stores. I avoid them unless its a stop for gas or emergency. This is not because they are a different ethnic, but because the stuff is way over-priced in some of these convenience stores.
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Doug says: And the core reason is these others are organized as a group and have coalitions/syndicates which allows them to spread the risk and cost across all members. While most black stores were individual affairs where one individual was trying to do it all themselves and hence took on all the risk by themselves.
True enough. There have been syndicates. In the 1970s the feds took the Korean Merchants Assoc (or something similar) to court for monopolization of the wig trade. The Koreans were fixing prices and locking down hair supplies, putting the squeeze on White, Hispanic and Black beauticians. Since much of the wigs were imported from Korea this was relatively easy to do. The presence of black politicians didn’t make much diff as they were running the same game plan regardless of who was in power. A good rule of business is to be able to make money regardless of who is in political power. Asians have this figured out. see: https://epdf.pub/doing-business-in-minority-markets-black-and-korean-entrepreneurs-in-chicagos-et.html
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Police seize assault rifles, handguns from anti-government member at Denver protest Chevy McGee of Fort Collins confirmed to 9NEWS guns belonging to him and a friend were seized by Denver Police on Friday. He claims he didn't break any laws.
DENVER —
A Colorado man who identifies with an anti-government group preparing for a civil war said police “stole” several of his guns when he went to Friday’s protest in Denver in response to the in-custody death of George Floyd.
Chevy McGee, 20, acknowledged over text messages the guns shared in a picture provided by Denver Police belong to him and a friend.
McGee identifies with the “Boogaloo” movement, which aims to prepare for a civil and race war.
The image of the police seizure includes three assault rifles, handguns, gas masks, tactical vests and ammunition.
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McGee and his friend were not charged or cited and a spokesperson for the Denver Police Department (DPD) would not explain why or how police seized the firearms during Friday’s protest. Police would also not explain why they did not charge the men after seizing the guns.
“We were stopping by the protest to see what was going on and provided medical and water to people,” McGee said over text messages.
McGee said the guns and tactical gear were in the trunk of his vehicle while he was out at the protest.
“... we are avid shooters so we always keep our guns in the trunk as we often go shooting,” McGee added over text.
Earlier in May, 9Wants to Know aired a story featuring a live-stream video created by McGee when he reacted to the arrest of Bradley Bunn.
Bunn is currently under Federal custody for possessing pipe bombs.
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Here in Dallas County there are a number of gun totin types talking big. Hopefully they will be smoked out before anything deadly happens.
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Here in Dallas County there are a number of gun totin types talking big. Hopefully they will be smoked out before anything deadly happens.
To answer your question about why a Religion as the organizational backbone of cooperative economics? I don't have time for a comprehensive answer but simply, morals and ethics for governing..
if you look at all the communities above they maintain and grow generation over generation.
Maybe you can enlighten me to non religious cooperative communities that can boast the same results...
When it comes to Indians ( hindu and muslim) I believe they maintain multi generational coherence through endogamy or cross cousin marriages.. ( which has genetic disadvantageous
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: I am going by storefront businesses in the neighborhood from personal experience. There may be other types of businesses today but in the actual hood and on the streets black businesses have disappeared. In the 70s there were plenty of black grocery stores, record stores, dry cleaners, laundrymats, clothing stores and other businesses. And this is before Korean stores and Dominican or Mexican stores were even thought about. Those groups were organized starting in their own countries and because of that were able to aggressively promote themselves on the local small business associations and chambers of commerce and minority business coalitions which allowed them to get support from various black officials at the local level.
I don’t think it was black officialdom that did much for their expansion. The thing is since the 1960s, small mom and pops in the hood have been declining. One of the big reasons is the rise of big chain and discount stores that undercut small operators. Another reason is the advantages reaped for being white, though this is not a sole explanation. Whites have ALWAYS operated in black business districts or close to them. Every history of black business shows this. They could get better stock, better locations, better financing, etc, and on top of that in most black business districts the landlords were white. Integration magnified these advantages ALREADY in place. All this was BEFORE the arrival of substantial black political representation in the 1970s. The history of black business with countless “buy black” campaigns going back to the late 1800s show this starkly.
Fast forward to the1970s. The Koreans and others came in with enough cash on hand to establish themselves and displace black renters. They were not dirt poor peasant immigrants off the boat. They had the cash on hand, and the willingness to pack in family and friends to work cheap or free and long hours. In short they muscled out the black biz already in decline. They didn’t really need black politicians to do the above, but as a bonus, of course to get city contracts and things like that, or favorable zoning they needed to work with the political establishment. But this is secondary. All the Koreans had to do to muscle into a hood, is simply outbid black competitors to get a storefront. White landlords, who own much of the property in the hood, were only too happy to take Korean cash. Same thing with Arabs, Lebanese, Indians etc. They use superior cash or credit resources to outmuscle any competition.
Actually minority business associations were originally for blacks because blacks were the main minority group in the 70s. Sorry but there was no support on all levels for black businesses. Most businesses in the cities were owned by white and Jewish merchants and after the riots of the 60s these people left and took the distribution networks, resources and everything else with them. Dr. King was going to start focusing on economics when he was killed, but after he died and the riots ended nobody seriously did anything to put money into black neighborhoods for business development, schools, infrastructure or anything else. Most black politicians that did come along again had no power to take that money from white hands in the first place. As for black businesses, yes they were individual mom and pop shops but no larger black grocer association or black small business development association to support and grow those businesses. They operated as individual mom and pop shops which meant they died once the owners died. The Koreans didn't just have cash either, they came in as part of organized government programs starting in Korea itself to expand opportunities for the Korean hair and beauty industry. Going into the 70s Korea was already one of the biggest, if not biggest exporters of wigs in the world. As a result of the civil rights movement and the changes to the immigration laws, the Korean government actually helped promote Koreans going to the US to make inroads into the beauty industry directly. Again, this was not an individual mom and pop affair of one Korean individual by themselves doing everything. This was about a collective network of people supported by their own government working to further economic development. And of course what did Koreans know about America and the inner cities? Where did they learn all the bureaucratic processes and red tape that had to be overcome to get into business? Part of it came from the former inner city property owners who owned the buildings even after the stores closed due to white flight but allowed the Koreans to open up shop. The other part was support for government and the previously mentioned support organizations. Nobody called Koreans racist for having their own "korean" business associations or having "Koreatowns" with Korean language signs on all the businesses. Nobody does that for Mexicans or other Latino groups either and they also come in as a group not simply one individual trying to do everything by themselves. Yet when it comes time for a black business association or black economic development association you don't get the support you need. And this is against the backdrop of the fact that the main business of America is business. You don't get ahead without expanding economic activity in your community. Every other group in America is getting ahead by expanding economic activity in the community. Unfortunately after Dr. king died too many focused exclusively on getting jobs and integration vs expanding economic activity in the community.
quote: The wig business in South Korea has played a lustrous role in the country’s development. By the end of the 1960s, wigs made up roughly one-tenth of South Korea’s total exports by revenue. In the next decade they became its third-most-exported product, after textiles and plywood. One-third of the wigs worn by Americans in those years are thought to have been made in South Korea (it benefited from an anti-communist ban on Chinese hair in 1965). It was then a state-sponsored industry—an emblem of dirigisme under Park Chung-hee, a dictator who seized power in a coup in 1961 and ruled for 18 years. .
Wigs turned into a symbol of South Korea’s struggle to put an end to rule by such strongmen. Among Park’s cheerleaders was YH Trade, a wigmaker that was founded in 1966 with ten workers and expanded to 4,000 within four years. It quickly earned a state prize for “Excellence in Exports”. In 1979, due to heavy debts, it sacked hundreds of workers. Around 180 of them staged a sit-in to demand compensation; police stormed the factory, and a 21-year-old protester died from beatings. Among the demonstrators was Kim Young-sam, a legislator who let them use his party’s offices. In 1993 he became South Korea’s first civilian president in the democratic era.
Kim Kyung-sook, the protester who died, was like millions of others who left the countryside in the 1970s for Seoul; she began factory work straight after primary school. Her wages, which she sent home, helped put her younger brother through secondary school. She often stitched wigs until 4am. One of her co-workers says they were “worked like machines”. Some became addicted to the stimulants that they were given to stay awake.
But yes, there is no one smoking gun behind this versus multiple factors. All of which leads to the situation we see today. No group wants to be stuck on the bottom while everyone else is moving ahead.
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An Illinois man livestreamed himself handing out explosives and destroying property — exclaiming at one point, “We come to riot, boy” at Minneapolis protests over George Floyd’s death, officials said.
Matthew Lee Rupert, 28, faces numerous charges including civil disorder, possession of unregistered explosives and participating in and organizing riots in the Twin Cities, according to court documents filed in federal court.
In videos posted to Facebook, Rupert showed himself handing explosives to others last week and encouraging them to throw them at law enforcement, according to an FBI affidavit.
“I’ve got some bombs if some of you all want to throw them back,” he said while handing out an item with brown casing and a green wick.
Shortly after a person throws a device, an explosion can be heard in the background, officials said.
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quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: ]To answer your question about why a Religion as the organizational backbone of cooperative economics? I don't have time for a comprehensive answer but simply, morals and ethics for governing..
if you look at all the communities above they maintain and grow generation over generation.
Maybe you can enlighten me to non religious cooperative communities that can boast the same results...
When it comes to Indians ( hindu and muslim) I believe they maintain multi generational coherence through endogamy or cross cousin marriages.. ( which has genetic disadvantageous
I think religion can play a role. But then you have some Asians where its really not religion that is the glue for business per se but more language, region lived in etc etc. Thus the Chinese in the US formed associations based on dialog, language, and region of China where they migrated from, as the basis for many of the "Chinatown" businesses in various places. Re the Koreans, it was not so much religion as a good profit making opportunity. In the 1970s almost 90% of the wigs imported to the US were from Korea. If you could speak the Korean language, could tap into Korean networks etc, you could make a killing. Which is exactly what they did with a tight monopoly, so tight that the federal government had to take them to court.
But I did not doubt you when you said religion -just wondering if you had info on how some groups were using religion for business. Some of the black churches been urging "buy black" campaigns for over a century. Your example of the Mormon church is a good one of religion leveraging membership to promote worldly business.
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Doug said: Actually minority business associations were originally for blacks because blacks were the main minority group in the 70s.
Minority business associations are voluntary. Each group has its own, and blacks have long had their own associations like Booker T’s Nat Negro Biz League (NNBL) from way back. If you are talking about the minority biz initiatives of the 1960s and 1970s which did help some black enterprises, yes primarily, but sure enough white women and others were quickly added into the mix, and they piggybacked on "affirmative action" as well. DATA:
Sorry but there was no support on all levels for black businesses.
Not quite. The bulk of the biz support has been from other blacks but there were some initiatives in the 1960s and 1970s under the “War on Poverty” and Nixon’s “Black Capitalism” gambit. Several black companies won govt contracts or financing under these programs. They were partially helpful to black business, but by the late 1980s they were getting strangled by Reaganite era backlash. See scholar Juliet Walker quoted above on this. See also the legendary “Soul City”.
businesses in the cities were owned by white and Jewish merchants and after the riots of the 60s these people left and took the distribution networks, resources and everything else with them. Dr. King was going to start focusing on economics when he was killed, but after he died and the riots ended nobody seriously did anything to put money into black neighborhoods for business development, schools, infrastructure or anything else. Most black politicians that did come along again had no power to take that money from white hands in the first place.
OK.
As for black businesses, yes they were individual mom and pop shops but no larger black grocer association or black small business development association to support and grow those businesses. They operated as individual mom and pop shops which meant they died once the owners died.
True for some, but there were several black grocer associations- some national. Booker T’s NBL had a number of initiatives going, as did people like C. Albon Holsey’s Colored Merchants Association, which was making some progress until the Great Depression hit. I highly recommend Walker above for a detailed history of Black Business in America. http://everettjenkinsbiographies.blogspot.com/2014/01/000024-albon-holsey-african-american.html
The Koreans didn't just have cash either, they came in as part of organized government programs starting in Korea itself to expand opportunities for the Korean hair and beauty industry.
Actually Korean immigrants did have enough cash, family or partnerships. And today Korean immigrants bring cash with them, as well as secondary educations and college. In fact compared to other groups, Korean immigrants are richer and more educated. QUOTE:
Going into the 70s Korea was already one of the biggest, if not biggest exporters of wigs in the world. As a result of the civil rights movement and the changes to the immigration laws, the Korean government actually helped promote Koreans going to the US to make inroads into the beauty industry directly. Again, this was not an individual mom and pop affair of one Korean individual by themselves doing everything. This was about a collective network of people supported by their own government working to further economic development.
Sure. And they were successful in their organization and game plan. And if as you say the Korean govt helped them, then they did have cash or credit resources to muscle in on the hood.
And of course what did Koreans know about America and the inner cities? Where did they learn all the bureaucratic processes and red tape that had to be overcome to get into business?
You don’t need to know a lot about US bureaucracy or inner cities. What you need is your tight ethnic networks providing cash and financing, a storefront and product, plus cheap labor, long hours, and a minimum of English. Which is why so many immigrant groups not speaking English well and knowing little about America are holding their own in business.
Part of it came from the former inner city property owners who owned the buildings even after the stores closed due to white flight but allowed the Koreans to open up shop.
Sure. They allowed the Koreans to open shop because the Koreans could put down enough cash to outmuscle other competitors, and grab available storefronts and corner stands.
The other part was support for government and the previously mentioned support organizations.
Keep in mind that they didn’t need to depend on political establishments whether black or white. All they needed to do was outbid black and Hispanic competition by grabbing available storefronts and stands.
Nobody called Koreans racist for having their own "korean" business associations or having "Koreatowns" with Korean language signs on all the businesses. Nobody does that for Mexicans or other Latino groups either and they also come in as a group not simply one individual trying to do everything by themselves.
True in part, but keep in mind that black business is not simply a tale of one person trying to do everything by themselves. There have been numerous black biz networks and even cooperatives, in the teeth of the most powerful and enduring racist opposition. See for example the book Collective Courage, about many promising black co-ops. https://geo.coop/content/history-black-cooperatives
Yet when it comes time for a black business association or black economic development association you don't get the support you need.
True in part, and part of the problem has been lack of black community support SOMEtimes. There has not been much govt support either, save for the successful federal initiatives of the 1960s and 1970s.
You don't get ahead without expanding economic activity in your community. Every other group in America is getting ahead by expanding economic activity in the community. Unfortunately after Dr. king died too many focused exclusively on getting jobs and integration vs expanding economic activity in the community.
True and biz expansion is ONE important part of the package. Jobs is a bigger part of the package, given that most small businesses fail, whites control/own most biz properties, and given ruthless competition by other ethnics. Many people forget that Asians and even Jews were heavily involved in job markets- Jews in the garment trade for example, or Chinese in railroads and mining, or Japanese in agriculture.
Jobs help finance businesses and provide paying customers. At the same time they also worked the business end, and kept going higher up the job ladder. The famous black business districts of old were kept alive by WORKING black people- ordinary maids, chauffeurs, laborers etc etc. They were they paying customers, who had cash to pay, precisely because they had jobs. So King’s focus was quite valid and legit. It could be argued that he should have paid more attention to economics- I agree. He did not have to go off on the tangents he did when there was still serious work to be done in the black community, and people at the time told him so.
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Outlook from day to day life in neighborhoods not from books and reports by 'experts' Real experts live day to day among blk folks where we form the majority population.
There's a diff twixt Black business and a Black person owning/majority stockholding a business.
Beatrice was never a Blk biz It was owned by a Black man is all.
BET is owned by Viacom for the past 19 yrs BET is equivalent to modern day minstrelling afaic
Some keys for neighborhood business * blx w/liquor licenses * return of blk 'corner stores' * respect toward customers (sir & ma'am not brutha and sista)
For all where applicable * Blk clientele not enough, must get the yte gentry and othe non-blk dollars * Blk 'elites & capitalists' participation from brainstorming to street side merchanting/operation * sense of collectivity (not meaning co-ops or socialism)
What good was a Blk individual w/part ownership of the Barclay when Barclay 'neighborhood leasing' drove Blk & blk ppl's owned, managed, and operated stores out of business?
BTW Like up to 80% of the protesters are ytes! and I don't mean the 'Radical Weathermen' descendents rioting roun the midnight hour.
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Beatrice was never a Blk biz It was owned by a Black man is all.
BET is owned by Viacom for the past 19 yrs BET is equivalent to modern day minstrelling afaic
Agreed, but BET was originally owned by a black man and he leveraged that to score a big corporate buyout. SO the successful black biz was in place. And if it was owned by a black man, it is a black biz because CEO Lewis used his position to help other black enterprises, and employed blacks. QUOTE:
"Black Enterprise proclaimed TLC Beatrice International the magazine’s 1988 company of the year in recognition of TLC Beatrice International’s $1 billion in revenues. Lewis encouraged corporations such as General Foods, Equitable, and Aetna to lend money to minority-owned firms. He helped many minority enterprise small business investment corporations (MESBICs) acquire more than $100 million in funding between 1973 and 1984... Edward Koch appointed Lewis to the Off Track Betting Corporation; and during his four-year tenure, Lewis attempted to increase the numbers of African Americans and Hispanics bidding for contracts." --Jessie Carney Smith, 2006. Encyclopedia of African-American Business, vol 1 and 2-- pg 475-476
Some keys for neighborhood business * blx w/liquor licenses * return of blk 'corner stores' * respect toward customers (sir & ma'am not brutha and sista)
Quite possibly. I would add, pool resources to claw back some of those storefronts, and add enough value to be a match for or exceed competitors on either price, quality or service. Also tie-in with black community organizations- churches, clubs, and aspiring/actual cultural artists. Some rappers seem to have been successful at some of these things, leveraging their music profits into storefront and merchandise operations. Nipsey is an example. Any other rappers?
For all where applicable * Blk clientele not enough, must get the yte gentry and othe non-blk dollars * Blk 'elites & capitalists' participation from brainstorming to street side merchanting/operation * sense of collectivity (not meaning co-ops or socialism)
Good points, though co-ops are not necessarily socialism. The book above on black co-ops show some were out for a decent return on investment, and provided jobs, cash and credit to blacks when no one else was.
As to the black elites- yes! There is a need for more cats doing like Nipsey Hustle did. Nipsey was mixing and blending Art/CUltural, straight merchandising, Social entrepreneurship partnerships with silicon valley, etc.
What good was a Blk individual w/part ownership of the Barclay when Barclay 'neighborhood leasing' drove Blk & blk ppl's owned, managed, and operated stores out of business?
Indeed. This is part of the problem, and is why the white landlord can lease the store space to the highest bidder, and gentrify away blacks.
No heavy disagreements re what DOug, you and others as to the basics. I will say though that no other ethnic group in the US has had their business efforts so relentlessly opposed for so long.
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* Blk 'elites & capitalists' participation from brainstorming to street side merchanting/operation
Alas the elites seem to be ignoring promising initiatives. In Birmingham black entrepreneur Brian RIce bought an entire city block in crumbling Ensley, a historic Birmingham black district, but per author Andre Perry ( Know Your Price- 2020), he can;t raise enough capital to redevelop, and white banks are hamstringing his loan attempts. The city gave the bulk of public redevelopment dollars for the black area to a white dominated and controlled group. Now where have we seen that befo? https://www.cbs42.com/news/developer-brian-rice-helping-ensleys-renaissance/
WHere are Oprah or Diddy, or Jay-Z or Kanye on things like this with their deep pockets?
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Just being the Critical Crab not backhanding your posts w/their excellent references.
But basic understanding demands dropping 'minority' ID
Minority ≠ B l a c k
Black is not to be confused for everybody who aint yte and for yte wmmn and yte LGBTQIAPKs or our new set of 'dark caucasians' (S Meds, Arab Peninsulars, SW Asians, and Indians who playing all the angles).
To me, a Black (FBA/ADOS) owned business is a collective. Owners, officers, managers, marketing, distribution, human resources, employment, etc., are in Black hands who control and direct the operative and hire Blx in the same percentage Indians hire Indians in 7-11 and Arabs hire Arabs in bodegas/deli's.
I think one can contrast People of Color (PoC) to Blacks. PoC's are People of Choice mainly. They chose the USA. Blacks had no choice and were kidnapped from Africa in trade. Unpaid Black labor enriched America lopsided, creating a low to no wealth inheriting permanent underclass whom nearly every people who entered recently by choice exceed in wealth and 'prestige'.
PoC ≠ B l a c k
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You aks whey they azzes @ ?
They ain't at the place where eestablishing community stores/shops is the kind of priority where they collectively brainstorm and propose a university / tech school type deal instructing in every area conducive of to creating serious viable Blk Biz in majority Black nabes and beyond.
Heck, they can even make them a little xtra ching aiding grads establish all the ties needed to open up a nabe biz like phs loc, suppliers, lawyers, ...
Of course the most important thing to learn is treating the customer with customary standard respect not like a Norman Lear sitcom character.
But what can break the Yte-manz-ice-colder spell cast upon the negro?
Attracting non-Blx/blx to the biz is also a must, all $$$ green.
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Heap big bad signal: Rice situations happen where's involvemnt of elected Black officials? How could BCC let things get this bad to when overall tensions of daily Black trauma uncorks where yte kidz are the majority protesters at the rebellions sparked by the murders of George Floyd Breonna Taylor Ahmaud Arbery capping hundreds more Black lives over the decades.
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Speaking of protests, violence and business, a popular black business owner in Lousiville was shot by police, who curiously, did not have their body cams on as per procedure. Security footage shows McAtee with his hand outstretched high outside the doorway, but it is unclear if he is shooting anything, or just gesturing, or why he would shoot and he let a bunch of protestors pass through his BBQ tent. Outside footage seems to show police chasing or following the protesters, before unloading 18 shots at McAtee. Video does not show McAtee pulling or wielding a gun from current footage. It is unclear if he is shooting as police claim, and difficult to pin down from available footage, as police did not have on their body cams on.
But anyway, a well known local black businessman-who did for self- gone.
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To me, a Black (FBA/ADOS) owned business is a collective. Owners, officers, managers, marketing, distribution, human resources, employment, etc., are in Black hands who control and direct the operative and hire Blx in the same percentage Indians hire Indians in 7-11 and Arabs hire Arabs in bodegas/deli's.
Fair enough. I can see what you are saying re some multi-million compaines, some acquired lock stock and barrel from elsewhere under the portfolio of a black owner. But could not even these "big tent" companies control and hire blacks like the others in some subsidiaries? And to make profits in diverse environments will they not have to hire other ethnics?
PoC ? B l a c k
Agreed.
You aks whey they azzes @ ?
They ain't at the place where eestablishing community stores/shops is the kind of priority where they collectively brainstorm and propose a university / tech school type deal instructing in every area conducive of to creating serious viable Blk Biz in majority Black nabes and beyond.
Its sad, because some of these places being gentrified away, the deep-pocketed blacks could have been doing things there, ensuring a minimum of respect for solid old line residents, or at least mixed use options, rather than entire blocks been whited out. I understand they have to make a profit- just saying can't it be done in a more balanced way, like say more mixed income spaces, rather than total purges.
And the guy in Birmingham bought an entire block but is being sandbagged by city, banks etc according to author Andre Perry. Is it the case that these rich black celebs dont want to support projects that are less glamorous and won't yield big profits, or big publicity?
But what can break the Yte-manz-ice-colder spell cast upon the negro?
Million dolla question. Buy Black campaigns have been around since Booker T's time in 1890s. I used to think it was a pride problem but that may only be a limited piece of answer. Structural disadvantage is a big factor. Even in the old days white businesses were allowed to freely operate in the "negro" districts, but not vice versa. The whites got better locations, financing, legal protection, better inventories, better opportunities. So the merchandise store of the white man likely was better stocked and "colder" -with more choice than his black counterpart-not always in every place but that was the general pattern outside black monopoly areas like the funreal business or barbershops/beautician.
On top of that most of the property in the negro biz districts were owned by white landlords, which is one reason that incoming Asians and others can get a foothold. They bring more cash to wrest away storefronts, and have strong ethnic networks from the old country behind them. The Koreans capitalized on the fact that they were educated immigrants with some resources, and to top that off, their networks controlled the wig trade, since 90% of the wigs imported into the US were from Korea to begin with. They then branched into cosmetics, using those networks to get dirt cheap product, undercutting others. No way your average black small scale comsetologist or cosmetics maker can compete with these deep, self-serving networks.
To add insult to injury, the big white cosmetic chains began to pump product into the hood and seriously market to blacks. This is one of the things that hammered the black beauty industry. Its not all a pride problem.
Solutions? Well blacks need much more tighter, disciplined organization at the low end. This means more local networks, more partnerships etc etc. Of course, you need all the essentials of business- like clean facilities, courteous staff, decent product etc. If such basics are not in place everything else is a waste of time. Just being black aint good enough. It never was.
Another local idea is to use non-traditional venues like small festivals where vendors can tie in their product with the cultural/arts event going on. that way you are not stuck in, and perhaps don't need storefronts. Examples? Early hip-hop. They had no clubs. No fancy headquarters. No studios. They cranked out the entertainment "product" in block parties, park concerts, high school gyms etc. They self-financed their equipment. And many cats began to make money- not big money but much needed side money, or money so good it was way better than minimum wage. Cats looked at the market and started hdoing mixtapes, Nipsey Hustle being a case in point, and began to make money. In time, things expanded and took off.
Another is to seek out different specialized biz opportunities with cultural tie-ins. Based on convos I have had, it may be that some of today's more educated black entrepreneurs don't much care for mom and pop drudgery at the corner liquor store, which in any case means harsh competition against dirt cheap or free immigrant labor, and deep ethnic networks that can source product more cheaply than you can. If you had $5,000 to invest why sink it into that hole when you could do something like the BBQ man was doing. he had 5 smokers lined up and burnin, and was moving much desired product, with a cultural twist- "Black BBQ" that gave him an advantage.
Hip hop clothing lines are another type of different opportunity or niche market with a cultural tie-in. Why blow $5000 trying to compete on cheap cotton shirts or shoes with the Chinese drone guy getting product dirt cheap outta his networks reaching back to CHina? Specialize into a niche.
At a higher level would be what David Rice is doing in Ensley Birmingham, buying a block and trying to leverage private investment and public dollars to redevelop. A similar effort on this level would be like what Nipsey was trying to do.
All of the above of course runs parallel with traditional biz efforts and for the majority wage labor that provides the essential consumer dollars to support black biz.
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Around 100 White Men Armed With Bats And Shovels Seen Awaiting The Arrival Of 'Looters' In Philadelphia “I’m ready to f**k s**t up. You know, I’ve been looking for a fight for the past six months,” one person was overheard saying as another tore up a "Black lives matter" sign.
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Their "waiting for BLM" spiel seems bogus. Looks like just a group guarding a quiet street. But if valid, why now that things are dying down, and major scuffles are over, and curfews have thinned out the disorderly, and police and National Guard are out in force, that the "tough guys" appear? Why weren't "tough guys" out in force 2-3 days ago when "shi&%" was really been torn up?
Speaking of Philadelphia, while there has been much talk of "black thieves" in certain quarters recently, white fraudster Brenda Smith ripped off a cool 60 to 100 million. Street crime, and "suite" crime in Philly...
The SEC’s complaint alleges that Brenda Smith, and her fund Broad Reach Capital, LP, raised approximately $105 million from approximately 40 investors by representing that she would invest their money in publicly traded securities through various trading strategies that she championed as providing consistent high returns. However, Smith made very few investments in these trading strategies, and instead largely used investors’ money to repay other investors and for her own personal investments. The complaint alleges that Smith, and the entities she controls, also disseminated false statements touting positive returns and most recently fabricated documents in an attempt to inflate Broad Reach’s assets and lull her investors into believing their capital is safe.
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A fake antifa Twitter account that called for violence was actually run by a white nationalist group, according to a Twitter spokesperson.
The account, "@ANTIFA_US," pretended to align with the Black Lives Matter movement and ongoing nationwide protests, and called for protesters to "move into residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what's ours."
Twitter banned the account Monday for breaking its rules against platform manipulation, spam, and inciting violence.
A Twitter account that claimed to represent a national antifa organization and that urged protesters to loot "white" neighborhoods was actually run by white nationalist group Identity Evropa, according to a Twitter spokesperson.
The account, which posted under the handle "@ANTIFA_US," falsely aligned itself with ongoing Black Lives Matter protests nationwide. One tweet that called for protesters to "move into residential areas" and "take what's ours" was retweeted hundreds of times as of Sunday night.
The account was removed Monday for breaking Twitter's rules against platform manipulation, spam, and inciting violence, NBC News first reported.
A Twitter spokesperson told Business Insider that this isn't the first time that users linked to Identity Evropa have created fake or inflammatory accounts to spread "hateful content." The @ANTIFA_US account was created by the same person who created those previously-identified Identity Evropa accounts, the spokesperson said.
The antifa movement is a loosely affiliated group of anti-fascism activists, but does not have a national organization, defined structure, or leader. President Donald Trump designated antifa as a terrorist organization Sunday and has blamed it for organizing the property destruction seen at some protests nationwide, but there's little evidence of any such coordinated effort. Meanwhile, some white nationalists have advocated for the acceleration of conflict between protesters and police in order to spur race riots.
Twitter said it was continuing to monitor platform manipulation and posts inciting violence as nationwide protests continue.
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The Mount Vernon Police Tapes: In Secretly Recorded Phone Calls, Officers Say Innocent People Were Framed
In hours of secretly recorded telephone conversations, police officers in Mount Vernon, New York, reveal widespread corruption, brutality and other misconduct in the troubled Westchester County city just north of the Bronx.
Caught on tape by a whistleblower cop, the officers said they witnessed or took part in alarming acts of police misconduct, from framing and beating residents to collaborating with drug dealers, all as part of a culture of impunity within the department’s narcotics unit.
The Mount Vernon police tapes, obtained exclusively by Gothamist/WNYC, were recorded from 2017 to this year by Murashea Bovell, a 12-year veteran of the department who has been blowing the whistle on misconduct for years.
In 2014 and 2015, Bovell reported his colleagues’ alleged corruption and brutality in confidential complaints to the city and a lawsuit against the city, which was dismissed on procedural grounds. But he saw little change, so he began quietly recording his colleagues to substantiate his own claims. https://gothamist.com/news/mount-vernon-police-tapes-innocent-people-were-framed
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The FBI Finds ‘No Intel Indicating Antifa Involvement’ in Sunday’s Violence Trump wants to designate antifa a terrorist organization, despite lack of authority and evidence of wrongdoing. By Ken KlippensteinTwitter
he FBI’s Washington Field Office “has no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement/presence” in the violence that occurred on May 31 during the D.C.-area protests over the murder of George Floyd, according to an internal FBI situation report obtained exclusively by The Nation. That same day, President Donald Trump announced on Twitter that he would designate “Antifa” a terrorist organization, even though the government has no existing authority to declare a domestic group a terrorist organization, and antifa is not an organized group. Following the president’s tweet, Attorney General William Barr said in a statement, “The violence instigated and carried out by Antifa and other similar groups in connection with the rioting is domestic terrorism and will be treated accordingly.”
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The FBI report, however, states that “based on CHS [Confidential Human Source] canvassing, open source/social media partner engagement, and liaison, FBI WFO has no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement/presence.” The statement followed a list of violent acts like throwing bricks at police and the discovery of a backpack containing explosive materials, which were flagged by the FBI under a “Key Updates” section of the report. The FBI has been issuing such reports daily since the weekend, according to a Bureau source, who added that none of these documents contained any evidence of antifa violence.
Antifa, short for “anti-fascist,” is a type of militant anti-racist, anti-nationalist organizing that does not rely on the justice system to confront the far right. Groups associated with antifa have destroyed property and committed violence in the past, but the fact that the FBI’s situation reports cannot find any evidence of such involvement now suggests that fears about such groups may be exaggerated. https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/
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3 people arrested on terrorism charges in Las Vegas; men have ties to right-wing extremist groups
The suspects have been identified as Stephen T. Parshall, 35, Andrew T. Lynam Jr., 23, and William L. Loomis, 40. They were arrested Saturday on the way to a protest in downtown Las Vegas after filling gas cans at a parking lot and making Molotov cocktails in glass bottles.
The complaint filed in U.S. District Court on Wednesday said they self-identified as part of the “boogaloo” movement, which U.S. prosecutors said in the document is “a term used by extremists to signify coming civil war and/or fall of civilization.”
The white supremacist (and accelerationist) group Feuerkrieg Division recently posted a song about a race-war boogaloo to its official Telegram channel. A sampling of the lyrics makes its thrust clear:
Do the Boogaloo!
Kill the kikes, and save the whites
Come on, it’s time to go!
Do the Boogaloo!
Plug a pig, and then a Yid
Let’s do the Boogaloo, all together no
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova:
Minority business associations are voluntary. Each group has its own, and blacks have long had their own associations like Booker T’s Nat Negro Biz League (NNBL) from way back. If you are talking about the minority biz initiatives of the 1960s and 1970s which did help some black enterprises, yes primarily, but sure enough white women and others were quickly added into the mix, and they piggybacked on "affirmative action" as well. DATA:
Prior to the 60s, when you said minority in America you meant black folks. Latinos, Asians and others were far fewer in number. So when legislation was passed and many of these "minority" business associations created in that era they were primarily fronted by black faces. All those other people came to America after the Civil Rights act of 1964 and the Immigration Act of 1965 and as far as he politicians who passed the immigration act were concerned all these other folks were minorities who deserved the same benefits black folks fought and died for. So the resources were diverted on purpose to other people.
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Not quite. The bulk of the biz support has been from other blacks but there were some initiatives in the 1960s and 1970s under the “War on Poverty” and Nixon’s “Black Capitalism” gambit. Several black companies won govt contracts or financing under these programs. They were partially helpful to black business, but by the late 1980s they were getting strangled by Reaganite era backlash. See scholar Juliet Walker quoted above on this. See also the legendary “Soul City”.
Soul city was a failure and the war on poverty was the war on the black family. It was a program designed to promote welfare and foodstamps for black women as long as no male was around who could work. There are far too many studies and papers on this era to even pretend that there was any serious effort to support black economic independence. When I was a kid before the Koreans came there were black cleaners, record store, corner stores and all other kinds of businesses that all but disappeared by the 90s. In America today you can count on one hand how many black owned cleaners there are. Now all of that wasn't governments fault because a lot of times it was the children/grand children that didn't want to or couldn't take over from their parents. But again the point was this happened because these businesses were primarily an individual affair and not part of any larger black business association or coalition and if it was it didn't do anything or operate anything like any of the other groups that came in after them.
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: True for some, but there were several black grocer associations- some national. Booker T’s NBL had a number of initiatives going, as did people like C. Albon Holsey’s Colored Merchants Association, which was making some progress until the Great Depression hit. I highly recommend Walker above for a detailed history of Black Business in America. http://everettjenkinsbiographies.blogspot.com/2014/01/000024-albon-holsey-african-american.html
Booker T's old grocer associations all but died with Black Wall street. And most Southern black folks who were migrating to the North went there to get jobs not to build businesses. They did not have that mentality of collective economics and community that they had even in the South. That is definitely a major factor in all of this. Immigrants who come here en masse and not as single families or one individual here and there are much more inclined to stick together and operate collectively because of familiarity and solidarity with their own culture. On the other hand, slaves were stripped of their culture and identity and every since have been basically wandering the wasteland so to speak with little collective conscious or organization. This is why most blacks who go into politics or into other areas are more concerned about themselves as individuals than anybody else.
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Actually Korean immigrants did have enough cash, family or partnerships. And today Korean immigrants bring cash with them, as well as secondary educations and college. In fact compared to other groups, Korean immigrants are richer and more educated. QUOTE:
Actually the first wave of Korean immigrants came in the 70s and they were not rich or prosperous. President Park was the one who promoted the idea of Koreans taking over the beauty industry overseas because those Korean stores turn around and buy all their products from Korean factories. Again, this is a collective effort that started after the Korean war led by the Korean government and President Park with support from the United States that built Korea up to where it is today. You can't compare Korea today to Korea of the 60s and 70s. Just like you cant compare China of today to China of the 60s and 70s. All these Asian countries have benefitted from billions of dollars in economic development from America and Europe, yet black communities in America got how much? About the only thing black folks got was Asian heroin which came from Nixon as part of the War On Drugs and War on Poverty that set the stage for the crack epidemic and prison industrial complex of the 90s.
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Sure. And they were successful in their organization and game plan. And if as you say the Korean govt helped them, then they did have cash or credit resources to muscle in on the hood.
Of course, everybody else is organized as a collective for their own benefit. Black folks operate like individuals and lose because you cannot compete in a world where everybody else is operating a collective and has support on all levels from grassroots to government. But when Civil Rights was over most black folks just wanted to be individuals. About the only people actually talking about collective action in the 60s and 70s were the so called black radicals and so forth. "Mainstream" black folks looked down on them, yet every other group views collective action as the norm..........
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: You don’t need to know a lot about US bureaucracy or inner cities. What you need is your tight ethnic networks providing cash and financing, a storefront and product, plus cheap labor, long hours, and a minimum of English. Which is why so many immigrant groups not speaking English well and knowing little about America are holding their own in business.
Dude. Half of those early Korean immigrants barely spoke English. They had a syndicate where a few high level business people set everything up and worked with the Jews to lease the storefronts, the building was renovated and then the family was brought in to work the store and pay back the association or bosses who helped set everything up. Again, these people were not rich and for the most part those Koreans invested all their money in their children to go to college and NOT work store fronts. Today most of those storefronts have been handed over to Dominicans, Mexicans, Arabs or others who came in since the 90s. The only thing they have in common is that all of these people work together as a collective and not as individual. They have their own distribution networks and everything. This is something black businesses never really had. Not to mention because all of these people were immigrants they had access to programs specifically for immigrants to support them with the process and to this day this continues with the newer immigrants from other places. Black folks have never had that kind of support and yes black politicians have supported these other groups, case in point Michelle Obama and food deserts in the inner city, but she is just an obvious example. Most of the politicians I am referring to are more at the local level.
Good example of what I am talking about: Vietnamese Nail Salons.
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On the impact of actress Tippi Hedren on the nail industry
In 1975, Tippi Hedren was doing humanitarian work. She was running a program for 20 Vietnamese refugee women to resettle them in the U.S. They admired her nails, the care that she took, and she got the idea to get her personal manicurist, Dusty Coots, to come to the refugee camp in Northern California and teach these women how to do a manicure as it would be done in Beverly Hills. And they're really the first manicuring licenses out there in the world, because before that time, women always got licensed for both hair and nails.
On representing the Vietnamese community's perspective in her film
I consider myself a person of color, and I feel like a lot of times, our history isn't documented or reported or even seen outside of the white gaze. So there's something very attractive about the Tippi [Hedren] story; I mean, she's this beautiful actress that was in iconic films. But I was pleasantly surprised that the more I researched, the more I really became convinced that this was the original spark for the Vietnamese entering the nail industry. And it was also important to show how they took over this $8 billion industry — or created this $8 billion industry, right? There's so many different facets to the story and how it became a mainstay in our culture.
I consider myself a person of color, and I feel like a lot of times, our history isn't documented or reported or even seen outside of the white gaze. So there's something very attractive about the Tippi [Hedren] story; I mean, she's this beautiful actress that was in iconic films. But I was pleasantly surprised that the more I researched, the more I really became convinced that this was the original spark for the Vietnamese entering the nail industry. And it was also important to show how they took over this $8 billion industry — or created this $8 billion industry, right? There's so many different facets to the story and how it became a mainstay in our culture.
On the Mantrap salons, which operated in black communities in South Los Angeles
I really believe all fashion comes from black culture. So I always wondered — this was another reason why I made the film — how did these nail salons get to the black neighborhoods, right? ... And that's how I came to know the story of Mantrap. One of the [two co-founding] women is Vietnamese, and the other is African American. And I really believe this was where the Vietnamese found their footing in the nail salon industry, right? Because they brought the price down to a point where working-class women could afford this luxury, and black women just brought an art to it, right? ...
Video on the mantrap Salons in South Central. Keep in mind all these Asian stores were dumped in black neighborhoods because whites didn't allow them anywhere else, especially the stop and go liquor stores.... So this was ultimately an organized systematic effort to redirect resources that could have been used for black economic collective activity and some level of community independence to other groups.
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Sure. They allowed the Koreans to open shop because the Koreans could put down enough cash to outmuscle other competitors, and grab available storefronts and corner stands.
These building were not made available to blacks to rent or own and it wasn't just about the building itself. Again there was a syndicate behind the families moving into these stores in the beginning and they did not have the push back against them compared to blacks who were trying to do the same thing as individuals. This was a collective effort because during the mid 80s and early 90s Korean stores popped up by the thousands in inner cities across America following the same blueprint. We aren't talking about one or two individuals just coming to America by themselves doing everything all alone and barely speaking the language. It is a myth. Nothing works like that and unfortunately it is black people of all people who buy into that myth the most.
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Keep in mind that they didn’t need to depend on political establishments whether black or white. All they needed to do was outbid black and Hispanic competition by grabbing available storefronts and stands.
But they did, primarily because they were immigrants in the first place, which means they had to go through a process starting in their own country. Hundreds and thousands of Koreans didn't just up and come to America all of a sudden all as individuals. That is just not the case and as I already mentioned, the rise of Korea since the Korean War was centrally planned by President Park and the beauty industry was a big part of this in the 60s and 70s. That is how you get Korean beauty stores with so many products that are of Korean origin. Just like when you go to Chinese restaurants they have Chinese owned distribution companies that deliver the supplies, soy sauce and menus. Just like the Mexican and Dominican stores have similar things as well. Only black folks are expected to do it all from scratch by themselves. This is where the business associations and so forth come into play to coordinate such activities. It is a group effort by definition.
And that isolation of black folks is by design because when black folks are isolated they are easily manipulated. You can't have a serious movement which will destabilize the existing order when you have a bunch of individuals operating alone. Individuals who are dependent on everybody else for everything because they haven't got the collective effort to provide for their own survival are always easy to control. Keep in mind most black folks are so brainwashed they believe "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" means operating like a lone individual. And that is certainly not what everybody else does.
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: True in part, but keep in mind that black business is not simply a tale of one person trying to do everything by themselves. There have been numerous black biz networks and even cooperatives, in the teeth of the most powerful and enduring racist opposition. See for example the book Collective Courage, about many promising black co-ops. https://geo.coop/content/history-black-cooperatives
Ella Baker was a socialist who worked with Communists and anarchists as well as a staunch anti-capitalist. Sorry she was not building black business coops along the lines of what I am referring to.
quote: Baker worked as editorial assistant at the Negro National News. In 1930, George Schuyler, a black journalist and anarchist (and later an arch-conservative), founded the Young Negroes Cooperative League (YNCL). It sought to develop black economic power through collective networks. They conducted "conferences and trainings in the 1930s in their attempt to create a small, interlocking system of cooperative economic societies throughout the US" for black economic development. Having befriended Schuyler, Baker joined his group in 1931 and soon became its national director. ... In SCEF, Baker worked closely with her friend Anne Braden, a white longtime anti-racist activist. Braden had been accused in the 1950s of being a communist by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). Baker believed that socialism was a humane alternative to capitalism, but had mixed feelings about communism. She became a staunch defender of Braden and her husband Carl; she encouraged SNCC to reject red-baiting as divisive and unfair. During the 1960s, Baker participated in a speaking tour and co-hosted several meetings on the importance of linking civil rights and civil liberties.
quote: Founded in 1930 by the black Anarchist George Schuyler, the Young Negroes' Cooperative League (YNCL) coordinated twenty-four African American-led consumer cooperatives and buying clubs across the so-called "United States." The organization put into practice principles of participatory democracy and gender equality. Schuyler explained, "We are ultra democratic and all power rests in the hands of the rank and file." [1]
Schuyer believed that by building consumer cooperatives and worker cooperatives, the working class would gradually replace and destroy capitalism and the state:
Co-operative democracy means a social order in which the mills, mines, railroads, farms, markets, houses, shops and all the other necessary means of production, distribution and exchange are owned cooperatively by those who produce, operate and use them.
Whereas the Socialists hope to usher in such a Utopia society by the ballot and the Communists hope to turn the trick with the bullet, the co-operator (who is really an Anarchist since the triumph of his society will do away with the state in its present form--and I am an Anarchist) is slowly and methodologically doing so through legal, intelligent economic cooperation or mutual aid.
A lot of the people in this era were assimilationists, integrationists and multiculturalists. They weren't really interested in promoting black specific economic programs in the sense I am speaking of and you can see that to this day in groups like Black Lives Matters, which isn't even black to begin with. NAACP is another example.
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: True in part, and part of the problem has been lack of black community support SOMEtimes. There has not been much govt support either, save for the successful federal initiatives of the 1960s and 1970s.
Not sure what programs you are talking about as much deindustrialization and white flight was destroying the cities in this era followed by the war on drugs and increase in welfare poverty. Welfare is the only thing black politicians have been promoting since this time especially the Democrats.
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Another Man Who Said 'I Can't Breathe' Died in Custody. An ...www.nytimes.com › manuel-ellis-tacoma-police-homicide 11 hours ago - ... to the medical examiner, who concluded that his death was a homicide. ... he did not believe they used a chokehold or a knee on Mr. Ellis's neck. ... said that the two usually spoke several times a day and that Mr. Ellis ...
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The knee on the neck is a coordinated attack
Orange County Sheriff Don Barnes launched an investigation into a deputy who wore patches on his uniform associated with a right-wing paramilitary group — at a time when law enforcement is trying to defuse nationwide anger and frustration over police brutality.
The deputy, whose name was not released, has been placed on administrative leave pending the investigation. He is a 13-year veteran of the department.
In a press release Wednesday, June 3, Barnes said the symbols were not department-approved and are prohibited by policy. He said they also contradict the values of the sheriff’s department.
According to a press release from the Greater Los Angeles Area office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the deputy caught on video Tuesday at a protest in Costa Mesa wore a red, white and blue patch with the word “Oathkeeper” on it and the logo of the “Three Percenters.”
CAIR described the Three Percenters as a patriot movement that pledges armed resistance against attempts to restrict private gun ownership.
Barnes thanked the public for bringing the patch-wearing deputy to his attention.
“This deputy’s decision to wear these patches, and the implication of his association with an extremist group, is unacceptable and deeply concerning to me,” Barnes said. “Any symbol can have multiple meanings and is open to interpretation, which is why wearing of non-approved symbols and patches is strictly prohibited. Instances like this can forge a wedge separating law enforcement from the community we serve, especially during these turbulent times.”
He said employees have been reminded of the department’s uniform policy.
CAIR-LA Executive Director Hussam Ayloush said in a prepared statement, “It is outrageous that a member of a law enforcement organization would be so brazen as to apparently wear a symbol of violence, discord and bigotry on his uniform, especially in the wake of the murder of George Floyd.”
Juan Viramontes, president of the Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs, reminded that symbols can have multiple meanings but deputies should not wear unauthorized patches.
According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Oath Keepers group paints itself to be a nonpartisan association of current and former first responders, who dedicate themselves to defending the U.S. Constitution — but the organization is
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Founded in 2008, the Three Percent movement takes its name from the idea that only 3 percent of American colonists took up arms against the British. Members fashion themselves as today’s version of those rebels. On its website, the overarching Three Percent group insists it’s not a militia, nor is its aim to overthrow the government. Instead, the goal is, “to utilize the fail-safes put in place by our founders to reign in an overreaching government and push back against tyranny.”
The loosely organized group rose to national prominence when some of its self-identified members provided security to alt-right rallies around the country. Heavily armed Three Percenters were photographed in military-style combat gear guarding the perimeter of last year’s white supremacist Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
A photo of new Patriots kicker Justin Rohrwasser caused quite a stir Saturday when tattoos on his arms displayed a logo for a far-right group known as “The 3 Percenters” or “III%ers.” The logo is three roman numeral I’s surrounded by a ring of 13 stars, as the original U.S. flag. Rohrwasser, who kicked for Marshall and went to high school in upstate New York, says that he did not know what the logo actually stood for when he had it permanently inked to his body years ago.
“I got that tattoo when I was a teenager and I have a lot of family in the military. I thought it stood for a military-support symbol at the time,” said Rohrwasser at an introductory press conference. “Obviously, it’s evolved into something that I do not want to represent. When I look back on it, I should have done way more research before I put any mark or symbol like that on my body, and it’s not something I ever want to represent. It will be covered.
In 2013 New Jersey police officers were disciplined for wearing “3 Percenters” patch
In 2018, North Carolina suspended a police officer for the “III Percenter” tattoo on his body. The state’s legislature issued a statement calling into question the officer’s ability to do his job.
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Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore have been doing some good analysis on recent events, and theyve been talking about the pitfalls of 'people of colour' and celebrity for a while. Moore made the following point the other day; "Let’s be specific on why this is about #ados eating failure. #GeorgeFloyd was killed in Ilhan Omar’s district she is a Somalian refugee. The cop arresting Floyd is from Laos. The Univeristy Student President Karendi is Kenyan. Minneapolis failure is fed to #ados by a buffer class"
Although those groups might experience discrimination, they'll also hold anti-Black American views, assert their difference and set up things for their own group, yet complain when theyre not accepted as Black. They might also try to appropriate Black American identity (Obama and Kamala Harris) and/or Black American struggle to advance themselves.
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I agree with Yvette and Moore on many things but not everything. As far as Obama and Kamala appropriating black culture.. for both of them specifically, I would say they are both assimilated ADOS... yup... just like Harry Belafonte, Sydney Poitier, Kwame Ture, Malcolm X's mother, Marcus Garvey...I could go on....
People that are drawing these stark lines between ADOS and other black people from the Caribbean who have lived in the states lack a history of the black struggle, and don't even get me started on the Harlem Renaissance and the black Caribbean contribution.
I like Kamala's Dad.. that is a legit dude...
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Caribbean Crusaders and the Harlem Renaissance AWARDS AND RECOGNITION: A CHOICE Outstanding Academic Title, 2006.
Artists, activists, and the development of international radicalism in Harlem
Joyce Moore Turner's Caribbean Crusaders and the Harlem Renaissance is a study of the emergence of African American radicalism in Harlem, a crossroads of the African Diaspora in the early twentieth century. Turner reveals that the Harlem Renaissance was more than just an artistic fluorescence; it was also a political movement to counter racism and colonialism.
To explore the roots of the Caribbean emigres' radical ideology and the strategies used to extend agitation from Harlem to national and international platforms, the study draws on the papers and writings of Hermina Huiswoud, Cyril Briggs, the Reverend E. Ethelred Brown, Langston Hughes, and Richard B. Moore, as well as from interviews and biographies of related contemporary figures. It also incorporates census records, FBI files, and hundreds of documents from the recently opened Russian Archive.
Through a focus on Otto Huiswoud, the sole African American charter member of the Communist Party, and his wife, Hermina, Turner exposes the complex developments within the socialist and communist parties on the question of race. The account ranges beyond Harlem to Europe, Africa, and the Soviet Union to reveal the breadth, depth, and nearly global reach of the Afro-Caribbean activists' activities.
"Turner has indeed contributed a new dynamic to understanding the African-Caribbean/African-American role in twentieth century political thought and action with Caribbean Crusaders and the Harlem Renaissance, and secondly, through its biographical emphasis, demonstrated the uniqueness of protracted political activism in the face of racism and wholesale colonialism. Students and scholars of political thought and science will find this work rewarding."--The Journal of Pan African Studies
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It doesn't matter where they come from. What matters is that black people are seen globally as the people who get stepped on by everybody to get ahead. And because of that most people have no reason to side with black folks other than for what they can get for themselves. The entire system is set up explicitly to promote itself as the best way for people to move ahead in life through material progress. Everything within that system and the "progress" it advertises is built on some kind of oppression, death and destruction. So those immigrants you see coming to America or any other European colony or country are explicitly stating they are down with the program of the colony. Just like if you move to China and become a citizen of China you are down with the Communist government and how they do things.
But this mentality doesn't just apply to immigrants. A lot of black folks in America, in the Caribbean and in Africa are in the same position relative to white supremacy as black folks in America. Do you see them seriously rising up and doing anything about it? Do you see them talking about reparations in Haiti from France? Do you see them talking about reparations from Britain in Jamaica? Do you see them talking about reparations from England and the Netherlands in South Africa?
It doesn't matter if you follow Antonio or Yvette or any other social media speaker. The point is that common sense should tell you that all of this going back 400 years is about money and resources.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: It doesn't matter where they come from. What matters is that black people are seen globally as the people who get stepped on by everybody to get ahead.
solutions are what matter
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Yas indeed. But how can solutions come about when the dreaded "boogaloo" groups stalk the land?
^^Note shadowy presence of dreaded "boogaloo" operative, Shabadoo...
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Yas indeed. But how can solutions come about when the dreaded "boogaloo" groups stalk the land?
they must be stopped -and the auntie groups
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Hey Lyn .... Remember when you where rapidly deleting my gifs in the Mr. Arbery thread? Saying it was a serious subject...? You should delete you dumbazz gif immediately... but you won't...
Or then you will then go back and delete your post... which I have screen capped then delete my posts because you are
This thread is even more serious and tangentially related to the death of Mr. Arbery.. His killers where Whyte supremacists one who was former law enforcement.
Peaceful protesters are being attacked by white supremacist both in and out of law enforcement as we speak... the videos are so numerous I don't have the energy to post them here
Protester dies after being hit by car during Wednesday’s march
AKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — A man who was hit by a car while protesting Wednesday night has died, Bakersfield Police confirms.
Robert Forbes, 55, was on California Avenue and Oak Street on June 3rd around 10:23 p.m. when he was struck—an incident caught on video and shared widely on social media.
According to his family, Forbes was brought to Kern Medical Center, where he remained in critical condition for three days. He died Saturday morning.
“I think the driver hitting him was intentional,” said Forbes’ sister Espinola Parker.
This is where some witnesses and police have different accounts of what happened.
“When we got to Oak and California, everybody was marching. (Forbes) went to the sidewalk and got on his knees,” recalled Jay G, a witness to the collision. “Next thing you know, we all hear a car, and we all look, it’s a car with its lights off that hits him.”
However, Bakersfield Police sergeant Nathan McCauley, disputes Jay’s account, saying, “(Forbes) was in the roadway at the time he was struck… To address for the rumors, the driver’s headlights are clearly on.”
In Jay’s video, officers ask the driver to put his hands on his head, and he complies. But at no point in the video do officers handcuff him. Jay said officers allowed the driver to smoke a cigarette peacefully while shielding him from protesters.
This has been a point of outrage for many on social media.
“It shouldn’t take that long to get a man who just admitted in front of everybody, even to the cops, ‘I did it. I hit this man. I didn’t see him. Accident or not, I hit him.’ So why wasn’t he detained? Why was he able to smoke a cigarette?” Jay said.
Parker added, “I hope (my brother) gets his justice. I hope an arrest comes because this guy is smirking while he’s smoking his cigarette, not realizing he killed a man here that somebody loved, somebody cared for, somebody’s son.”
“It’s not a practice of the biggest police department, or any law-enforcement agency that I’m aware of, to handcuff and put people in patrol cars that are involved in traffic collisions,” Sergeant McCauley said.
In an intial statement Thursday, BPD said in part quote, “There was no report of the driver accelerating or making movements to indicate he was targeting the pedestrian… At this time, the primary collision factor appears to be the pedestrian walking in the roadway outside of a crosswalk.”
Officers added that they ruled out speed, drugs, and alcohol, so they released the driver the night of the collision.
Sergeant McCauley clarified, “The investigation is open. It has never been closed despite rumors that say that.”
“I just hope everybody that knows anything about this case comes forward with it,” Espinola said, “because if not, just like with George Floyd’s case, it’s going to keep being this way.”
Here is BPD’s full statement from Saturday night, where they answered answer questions on the investigation.
Far-Right ‘Boogaloo Boys’ Are Trying to Incite Violence at Protests Three self-identified boogaloo boys were arrested in Nevada for conspiracy to instigate violence at a George Floyd protest
Three men with military backgrounds have been arrested and charged with conspiracy to instigate violence at the Las Vegas protests against the death of George Floyd.
According to authorities, Andrew Lynam Jr., 23, Stephen Parshall, 35, and William Loomis, 40, all met at an anti-lockdown protest in April and self-identified as “boogaloo” boys, a term used to describe those calling for a violent civil conflict. They were arrested on Saturday on their way to a protest in downtown Las Vegas, after filling gas cans and making Molotov cocktails in glass bottles. They face federal charges of conspiracy to damage and destroy by fire and explosives, and possession of unregistered firearms. They are currently each being held on $1 million bond, according to the Star Tribune. They have not yet entered a plea.
Their intention was “to hopefully create civil unrest and rioting throughout Las Vegas,” a complaint filed in Las Vegas District Court on Wednesday said. (Rolling Stone reached out to the three men on Facebook for comment, and have yet to hear back.)
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Minneapolis' Third Precinct served as 'playground' for renegade cops Even before George Floyd was killed, the south Minneapolis precinct had a reputation for being home to police officers who played by their own rules.
By Libor Jany and Andy Mannix Star Tribune JUNE 6, 2020 — 7:37PM
Long before former officer Derek Chauvin knelt on George Floyd’s neck, the Third Precinct in south Minneapolis had a reputation for being home to police officers who played by their own rules.
One officer kicked a handcuffed suspect in the face, leaving his jaw in pieces. Officers beat and pistol-whipped a suspect in a parking lot on suspicion of low-level drug charges. Others harassed residents of a south Minneapolis housing project as they headed to work, and allowed prostitution suspects to touch their genitals for several minutes before arresting them in vice stings.
“My clients were constantly getting anal searches,” said Cerra, who also has been a public defender. “Not at the hospital. At the Third Precinct.
While 40% of the city’s residents are people of color, 74% of all Minneapolis police cases with force involve them. Black people are on the receiving end of officers’ force 63% of the time, according to the most recent department data available. And, despite the implementation of de-escalation training and body cameras, complaints against officers continue to rise, according to a 2019 annual report.
Public defender Jordan Deckenbach said the Floyd footage “is 100% consistent with the hours and hours and hours of body camera footage I’ve watched over the years.”
Cerra believes the Third Precinct’s culture dates to the infamous Metro Gang Strike Force. The state shut down the task force in 2009 after an investigation revealed officers stole money, cars and other evidence, and routinely beat suspects, including, in one case, an officer kicking a 2-year-old child in the head. The state has paid out more than $3.6 million to victims of the strike force’s misconduct.
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[IMG]A Cop Was Filmed Telling Armed White Men To Avoid Arrest "So We Don't Look Like We're Playing Favorites" The video of the officer warning armed white men who were protecting a store has prompted a public apology from the chief of police in Salem, Oregon.[/IMG] The police chief in Salem, Oregon, has apologized after a viral video showed one of his officers telling a group of armed white men protecting a store to shelter inside to avoid being arrested for violating a curfew so officers "don't look like [they're] playing favorites."
"We're going to really enforce the citywide curfew shutdown so we can arrest anybody walking around," the unidentified officer tells the men. "My command wanted me to come talk to you guys and request that you guys secrete people inside the businesses or in your vehicles somewhere where it's not a violation ... so we don't look like we're playing favorites.
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This person is a trained military or militia. Everything he did was intentional.
Cenk Uygur from the Young Turks broke it down very well.
"the only reason why you carry an umbrella is so that you cannot be identified by drones helicopters video cameras that are above you. And so whoever did it clearly did it on purpose to start something there so very likely"
quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: [QB] Hey Lyn .... Remember when you where rapidly deleting my gifs in the Mr. Arbery thread? Saying it was a serious subject...? You should delete you dumbazz gif immediately... but you won't...
the thread starter establishes the tone. If zarahan wants it taken out out I'll take it out. Thats not do say I'll take out a different opinion at the request of a thread starter it the post is following the forum rules. but if something is a distraction or off topic and the thread starter is going that way I'll probably allow it, so relax
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quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: [QB] Hey Lyn .... Remember when you where rapidly deleting my gifs in the Mr. Arbery thread? Saying it was a serious subject...? You should delete you dumbazz gif immediately... but you won't...
the thread starter establishes the tone. If zarahan wants it taken out out I'll take it out. Thats not do say I'll take out a different opinion at the request of a thread starter it the post is following the forum rules. but if something is a distraction or off topic and the thread starter is going that way I'll probably allow it, so relax
You are making this sith up as you go..
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[IMG]A Cop Was Filmed Telling Armed White Men To Avoid Arrest "So We Don't Look Like We're Playing Favorites" The video of the officer warning armed white men who were protecting a store has prompted a public apology from the chief of police in Salem, Oregon.[/IMG] The police chief in Salem, Oregon, has apologized after a viral video showed one of his officers telling a group of armed white men protecting a store to shelter inside to avoid being arrested for violating a curfew so officers "don't look like [they're] playing favorites."
"We're going to really enforce the citywide curfew shutdown so we can arrest anybody walking around," the unidentified officer tells the men. "My command wanted me to come talk to you guys and request that you guys secrete people inside the businesses or in your vehicles somewhere where it's not a violation ... so we don't look like we're playing favorites. [/QB]
WTF? Do you have a link on this? Original post has no video..
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This person is a trained military or militia. Everything he did was intentional.
Cenk Uygur from the Young Turks broke it down very well.
"the only reason why you carry an umbrella is so that you cannot be identified by drones helicopters video cameras that are above you. And so whoever did it clearly did it on purpose to start something there so very likely"
The activists were surprised that this white dude appeared out of the blue and began to smash windows. Yatunde had earlier post where some demonstrators, and his wife or ex-wife claimed he was a local undercover.. The picture above seems to confirm he is police. Could be an agent provocateur setup..
Same with this curious video below of a strange car full of white people passing out bricks to black men.
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