Akshar is right indeed, but you could also try this, and it applies to ALL men:

Ask him to give you ALL his email passwords!!!!!!!

Be ready to do the same....Everything in the open. If his emails are in arabic LET HIM KNOW YOU WANT to have THEM TRANSLATED.

If there is nothing to hide he will AGREE. How will you find out if he has given you ALL, that's another story. Maybe some members could come up with bright ideas?
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Good luck!

Monica

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Originally posted by rivergirl2:
I just want to know more about the egyptian men.........I hear the good and i hear the bad.......I have heard some of them are players and some of them are not....How do I know if i am getting played?

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Originally posted by Monica:
Hello,

Akshar is right indeed, but you could also try this, and it applies to ALL men:

Ask him to give you ALL his email passwords!!!!!!!

Be ready to do the same....Everything in the open. If his emails are in arabic LET HIM KNOW YOU WANT to have THEM TRANSLATED.

If there is nothing to hide he will AGREE. How will you find out if he has given you ALL, that's another story. Maybe some members could come up with bright ideas?
;-)

Good luck!

Monica

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Monica,
this is too much, too pushing moreover if they know each other just 2 hours.

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Originally posted by Monica:
Ask him to give you ALL his email passwords!!!!!!!

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Would you give all your passwords to your man? I don't know whether I would...

These are my personal standards: no hanky panky on the side, or online, no games, no fooling around and it goes both ways.

I appreciate the clear, open, straight, honest relationship. I don't go for any double standards, I am an educated intelligent woman, and I have my high standards on relationships. If my man doesn't like it although I will treat him as an equal, then : tashakorate affandem, meaning: Thanks but no thanks, GOODBYE, asta la vista baby!

But again, these are My standards!

I meant all this in case the relationship is a long term one not after 2 hours.
Salam

Monica

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Originally posted by Aaliyah:
Would you give all your passwords to your man? I don't know whether I would...

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Originally posted by Aaliyah:
Would you give all your passwords to your man? I don't know whether I would...

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Originally posted by rivergirl2:
Yes he has all my passwords and i have all of his....I have known him longer that 2 hours....Its more like 3 months....He is very sweet to me but i seen something in his offline messages i dont think i ever should have seen....We spend most of the evening talking online and now that i have confronted him about the situtation and told him i never wanted to talk to him or see him... he beggedn me and it took me 2 days to talk to him....i am still not over it but i think i am beign played and i am getting hurt over it....

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Originally posted by aischa:
Hi rivergirl,
try to go in touch with me again....Lets talk about, but nor at this forum!
with all my love from aischa

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Originally posted by rivergirl2:
I just want to know more about the egyptian men.........I hear the good and i hear the bad.......I have heard some of them are players and some of them are not....How do I know if i am getting played?

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I am an Egyption man and lived in USA for more than 16 years, I can help you more if you are specific about the what you really looking for. there are players and serious people every where you go not just Egyption regarding the last question you have in you message, it's easy to find out.
Please let me know if you need more help, takecare

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Originally posted by rivergirl2:
Hi Aischa....I would like to talk to you more about this...You can email me at rivergirl2@sbcglobal.net.......I hope to hear from you soon

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Originally posted by nls150:
I am an Egyption man and lived in USA for more than 16 years, I can help you more if you are specific about the what you really looking for. there are players and serious people every where you go not just Egyption regarding the last question you have in you message, it's easy to find out.
Please let me know if you need more help, takecare

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It's not easy to know if Egyptian guy is a player or serious. I will tell you something about the girls I dated here in USA, so many of them were player, looking for just to have fun, but when you try to be serious with them. they ran away. So, believe me, not just guys or girls Egyptian or not. All the same all you have to do is to take your time and be serious about. Good luck

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Originally posted by rivergirl2:
I just want to know more about the egyptian men.........I hear the good and i hear the bad.......I have heard some of them are players and some of them are not....How do I know if i am getting played?

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How come no girls like to be serious in USA?
I hope to find a serious guy...=.=

Thanks, my email address is:
tiramisuplace@yahoo.com

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Originally posted by nls150:
Hi rivergirl2,

It's not easy to know if Egyptian guy is a player or serious. I will tell you something about the girls I dated here in USA, so many of them were player, looking for just to have fun, but when you try to be serious with them. they ran away. So, believe me, not just guys or girls Egyptian or not. All the same all you have to do is to take your time and be serious about. Good luck

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You are in for a feast of emails!

Best regards,

Monica

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Originally posted by tiramisu:
I just met an Egyptian men recently and I have no idea what goes on in his mind. I wish to know more about Egyptian men. Can I get some more advice from any of the Egyptian men here?

Thanks, my email address is:
tiramisuplace@yahoo.com

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I too have recently met someone and really think he is genuine,well I did until I read this bulletin board. I met mine on holiday with my boyfriend, although our relationship was all but over and is now as he has gone off travelling for a year. He was the tour leader, one day we were out as a group one day and he had an accident and had to be taken to hospital, to have stitches. Anyway we became really good friends over the last week I was there, as I went with him for all trips to hospital to have bandages changed and stitches removed etc
We spoke a lot about our families, relationships etc but he never made a play for me we just became good friends. We swapped numbers and I text him to let him know I got home safe and sound. That was 6 weeks ago and we've basically text each other every day since and had a few phone calls, and now I'm going out to visit and stay with him in Luxor.

I guess now I'm just feeling a bit nervous as I've never done anything like this before I don't know anyone else out there, however I do believe I am a good judge of character and truly believe he's a sincere and decent guy, just reading this has made me nervous. I know you can't tell me what the guy is really like, but so many of you seem to have so many stories or knowledge of these situations, I'd really appreciate your opinions and knowledge/experiences.

Thanks in advance

I really hope you discover Egypt and all its beauty and magic

Your 'friend' may be absolutely different from all the ones described on this board, and after all, who are we to judge someone we don't know? It would'nt be fair to both of you.

BUT.....

Be very careful. And remember the following:

Decent Egyptian men don't ask women to 'stay' with them, they don't ask for money or gifts, and they don't make up stories of misery.

If he even 'hints' around these subjects: RUN!!!!

Seriously, I hope you are staying in a hotel on your own!

Most importantly: DISCOVER EGYPT...for real!

Best of luck, and have a super but 'lucid' time!

Monica

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Originally posted by DiscoverEgypt:
Hi Tiramisu / Monica

I too have recently met someone and really think he is genuine,well I did until I read this bulletin board. I met mine on holiday with my boyfriend, although our relationship was all but over and is now as he has gone off travelling for a year. He was the tour leader, one day we were out as a group one day and he had an accident and had to be taken to hospital, to have stitches. Anyway we became really good friends over the last week I was there, as I went with him for all trips to hospital to have bandages changed and stitches removed etc
We spoke a lot about our families, relationships etc but he never made a play for me we just became good friends. We swapped numbers and I text him to let him know I got home safe and sound. That was 6 weeks ago and we've basically text each other every day since and had a few phone calls, and now I'm going out to visit and stay with him in Luxor.

I guess now I'm just feeling a bit nervous as I've never done anything like this before I don't know anyone else out there, however I do believe I am a good judge of character and truly believe he's a sincere and decent guy, just reading this has made me nervous. I know you can't tell me what the guy is really like, but so many of you seem to have so many stories or knowledge of these situations, I'd really appreciate your opinions and knowledge/experiences.

Thanks in advance

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Thanks for the advice, I use the name Discovery Egypt as we did this whole three week tour, all the way from Cairo, Aswan, Abu Simbel to Dahab etc. I was going to stay in a hotel as I've already been to Luxor before, and can use the hotel I stayed at before, as he has his own house but it's being renovated, so currently still lives with his mum, however he said if the house is finished I can stay with him. He's very westernised as has lived in Belguim for quite some time, as he was with a Belgium girl for five years. I really appreciate the advice though. There's no way I would go over there if a) I hadn't already met him and b) been there before, so hopefully it should be OK

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Originally posted by Monica:
Hello there!

I really hope you discover Egypt and all its beauty and magic

Your 'friend' may be absolutely different from all the ones described on this board, and after all, who are we to judge someone we don't know? It would'nt be fair to both of you.

BUT.....

Be very careful. And remember the following:

Decent Egyptian men don't ask women to 'stay' with them, they don't ask for money or gifts, and they don't make up stories of misery.

If he even 'hints' around these subjects: RUN!!!!

Seriously, I hope you are staying in a hotel on your own!

Most importantly: DISCOVER EGYPT...for real!

Best of luck, and have a super but 'lucid' time!

Monica

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Originally posted by DiscoverEgypt:
hi Monica

Thanks for the advice, I use the name Discovery Egypt as we did this whole three week tour, all the way from Cairo, Aswan, Abu Simbel to Dahab etc. I was going to stay in a hotel as I've already been to Luxor before, and can use the hotel I stayed at before, as he has his own house but it's being renovated, so currently still lives with his mum, however he said if the house is finished I can stay with him. He's very westernised as has lived in Belguim for quite some time, as he was with a Belgium girl for five years. I really appreciate the advice though. There's no way I would go over there if a) I hadn't already met him and b) been there before, so hopefully it should be OK

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Thanks for this, it's always nice to hear a positive story. I don't believe you can tar a whole nation with the same brush, if you could I truely believe the guys in London and Uk would not come out well either. I am keeping my head screwed on with this one, and seeing this bulletin board has definitely prepared me somewhat more. I found all Egyptian people to be extremely friendly and was very surprised to find they had the same sense dry sense of humour as us, not at all like I was lead to believe in the guidebooks. I'm not saying anything will happen with this guy, regardless I have a new but very nice friend, in a new country, which I must admit along with thousands of others I fell in love with, it's beautiful. Which is another reason I'm going back - not just for him

Who knows though - maybe like you I'll be one of the lucky ones .... maybe.

I will keep checking the board, and let you know how it goes when I get back

Thanks again

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Originally posted by akshar:
Well I wish you the best of luck. You never know what may happen and you could be one of the positive stories. Keep you head screwed on and using the information on this board and other boards to be as informed as possible and to anticipate any potential problems. At the end of the day statiscally some of these stories have to turn out alright and why shouldn't yours be one of them. Mine was.

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I don't know what hotel you are staying in, but unless the rate is low, check with me about what rate I can get you at the St. Josephs with the Cairo Hashers. I need to know your dates of travel though. OR... you could stay at Jane's place and that way you'd have someone looking out for you who you can talk to about this if you need.

Jane I was hoping that perhaps I could speak with you - as you're a fellow English woman based in Luxor - so just in case there is a problem (not that I expect there to be - but it's always good to have a back up plan) so that I could contact you if need be.
I also wouldn't mind speaking to you just to get an idea of what is accepted and what's not. As when I was in Luxor previously I was with my tour group and they were all Western guys, so obviously this time it will be quite a bit different for me as now I'll be a single western girl with an Egptian guy even thought we're only friends - there's not a huge age difference I'm 28 he's 30, but there is the obvious culture difference, I'd like to know what to expect when I go over there so I can be prepared.

Thanks in to all for helpful advice - and Jane hopefully hear from you soon : )

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Originally posted by Debbie:
I don't know what hotel you are staying in, but unless the rate is low, check with me about what rate I can get you at the St. Josephs with the Cairo Hashers. I need to know your dates of travel though. OR... you could stay at Jane's place and that way you'd have someone looking out for you who you can talk to about this if you need.

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Of course I would be delighted to assist and be part of your backup plan. Please email me jane@flatsinluxor.co.uk

Let me know if you like this deal.

Jane I'll definitely mail you and find out more about what's acceptable, customs etc. I'll also bear in mind your flats as they do look rather nice.

Debbie - thanks for this rate sounds good, I'll find out more about where my friend lives and get back to you asap
Thanks for the comment too - Thought I'd try and keep my head and wits about me, but at the same time still enjoy the experience : )

Thanks again ladies - you're help is much appreciated.

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Sounds like you are handling this smart. Congrats![/B]

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Hello Debby,

Why do you say it's better not to go alone with that guy to his house,what can be the problem.I don't understand it.
But i can need your advice.i met an egyptian boy three months again.he always asks me to come back.Normally i go to egypt again in january.He told me to buy just a flight ticket and that i can stay with him.I found it a good idea but if i read your story i can better not do that and look for a hotel room.I'm a bit confused and i don't know what i have to think about my friend and all this.

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Dear Nicky,

What can I say? Egypt isn't the west. I don't know where you are from, but Egypt is a different world, and while these boys you meet in the tourist resorts like to think of themselves as very westernized and of course they enjoy sleeping with all the girls that they can (as do western boys.... and girls... let's not just blame the boys.... western men/women/boys/girls find it common place to sleep around and don't think much of it). Anyway folks, I'm not playing judge and jury here.... do as you please, but Nicky, you need to beware of the implications if you do this. First, I don't know where your friend lives, that might make some difference, but regardless, Egyptians, IN GENERAL, I mean, EVEN the Highest class Egyptians, IN GENERAL don't mess around with anyone they really care about without being married to them. I don't know if you like this guy in a way that you'd be hurt if he never talked to you again after you left or if he only ever considered you good for "one thing", but if so, stay in a hotel. 100% sure, he isn't going to loose interest in you if you don't stay with him, IF he is interested in you now.
I didn't mean to indicate that there is a great danger if you stay with him, although it's slightly possible that something bad could happen.....not so much with him, but with lowlifes in the neighborhood that see you as a slut, living with this boy without being married, and assume you'd bonk anyone that comes to the door.... this isn't necessarily going to happen, but it's a possibility.
It's just so hard to explain to someone that hasn't spent much time in the culture here. Egypt is a country of contradictions, but in general, girls that travel alone are looked down on, and more than that, if you will stay with a man without being married to him, that is pretty much the stuff all gossip in Egypt is started from. You can probably count on being the topic of conversation among the neighborhood if you do take him up on his invitation.
What's worse, is that it's totally possible that if you don't know him really well, he might be married on top of it. I'm not saying this is the case with your guy, but it's possible.
There is one guy from Tanta that was talking to me this morning on Yahoo asking what I paid for my flat because his girlfriend is coming to Egypt and he wants to rent a flat for one month to stay with her. I really read him the riot act for being such a sleeze bag. I mean he wanted to rent a flat for only $200 for only one month. Any flat he could get short term for only $200 would be such a flea bag, the woman would have to be NUTS to stay there. YUK.
Anyway, I rambled and rambled about this. So much with your guy depends on where he lives and how well you know him, but in general again, I wouldn't encourage you to stay with ANY man in Egypt at his flat unless it is where his whole family lives and his mother and sisters are there as well. If they are there, then nothing would be going on between the two of you, and if anyone in the neighborhood suggested there was, his mother would fix that gossip very fast!

Your advice is excellent, and truly reflecting your familiarity with the Egyptian mentality towards relationships within the past 10, 15 years. It was totally different during the Sadate era, by the way; and also different during the Nasser regime.

Mostly, the Egyptian mentality changes depending on CLASS, EDUCATION, POLITICAL REGIME and Geographics (Western influence through colonialization was stronger in some areas like Alexandria for example); and that would explain the contradictions in behaviour among the Egyptian people in general. Demographical changes within the past 20 years also have a great impact. Millions immigrated from their villages and brought their village traditions to the big cities.

Best regards always,

Monica

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Monica, Laura, Nefertiti.... girls, come on and give her your side of this subject. What do you think?

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My moto is DONT TRUST ANYBODY BUT YOURSELF.

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I have lived in luxor for a few years if you need to contact me.

My moto is DONT TRUST ANYBODY BUT YOURSELF.

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Maybe this method will not suit everyone but theres some pure rats out there & that includes husbands.

I mean honestly screenshots every 10m?

Sorry but if I ever questioned my husband I darn sure would ask him about it & talk to him until I was convinced then to spy on him like that. If you are reduced to that perhaps it's time for you to ask yourself if you are truly in love, or just hanging on to a love that's lost?

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Dear Nicky,

What can I say? Egypt isn't the west. I don't know where you are from, but Egypt is a different world, and while these boys you meet in the tourist resorts like to think of themselves as very westernized and of course they enjoy sleeping with all the girls that they can (as do western boys.... and girls... let's not just blame the boys.... western men/women/boys/girls find it common place to sleep around and don't think much of it). Anyway folks, I'm not playing judge and jury here.... do as you please, but Nicky, you need to beware of the implications if you do this. First, I don't know where your friend lives, that might make some difference, but regardless, Egyptians, IN GENERAL, I mean, EVEN the Highest class Egyptians, IN GENERAL don't mess around with anyone they really care about without being married to them. I don't know if you like this guy in a way that you'd be hurt if he never talked to you again after you left or if he only ever considered you good for "one thing", but if so, stay in a hotel. 100% sure, he isn't going to loose interest in you if you don't stay with him, IF he is interested in you now.
I didn't mean to indicate that there is a great danger if you stay with him, although it's slightly possible that something bad could happen.....not so much with him, but with lowlifes in the neighborhood that see you as a slut, living with this boy without being married, and assume you'd bonk anyone that comes to the door.... this isn't necessarily going to happen, but it's a possibility.
It's just so hard to explain to someone that hasn't spent much time in the culture here. Egypt is a country of contradictions, but in general, girls that travel alone are looked down on, and more than that, if you will stay with a man without being married to him, that is pretty much the stuff all gossip in Egypt is started from. You can probably count on being the topic of conversation among the neighborhood if you do take him up on his invitation.
What's worse, is that it's totally possible that if you don't know him really well, he might be married on top of it. I'm not saying this is the case with your guy, but it's possible.
There is one guy from Tanta that was talking to me this morning on Yahoo asking what I paid for my flat because his girlfriend is coming to Egypt and he wants to rent a flat for one month to stay with her. I really read him the riot act for being such a sleeze bag. I mean he wanted to rent a flat for only $200 for only one month. Any flat he could get short term for only $200 would be such a flea bag, the woman would have to be NUTS to stay there. YUK.
Anyway, I rambled and rambled about this. So much with your guy depends on where he lives and how well you know him, but in general again, I wouldn't encourage you to stay with ANY man in Egypt at his flat unless it is where his whole family lives and his mother and sisters are there as well. If they are there, then nothing would be going on between the two of you, and if anyone in the neighborhood suggested there was, his mother would fix that gossip very fast!

Monica, Laura, Nefertiti.... girls, come on and give her your side of this subject. What do you think?

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Seriously.... he is a manipulator. Every once in awhile you hear about suicide threats in a love affair.... but have you EVER EVER EVER known one of those affairs/relationships to be happy and work out? NEVER. The "manipulator" wins a few times, the "manipulated" feels like crap, and then it happens again until the relationship finally breaks up, and all of the friends of the "manipulated" rejoice, and the "manipulator" finds a new victim.

(I met an Egyptian guy online and we use to talk just for fun then i think we started having feels for each other before i know it we r making plans to be together. then i found out that he was doing the same thing with another girl)

Imagine your life with a 'man' that will always find a way to intimidate you, everytime you have a different opinion.

I bet you anything that he video taped himself while pulling his stunt, and had a great laugh showing his little act to his friends; and that could become a trend among these irresponsible losers!

Don't you deserve better?
Wishing you a much better life, with a real MAN!

Monica

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there are players and serious people every where you go not just Egyption regarding the last question you have in you message, it's easy to find out.
Please let me know if you need more help, takecare[/B]

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If I need your help, can you be so kind to answer me if I need it?