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Originally posted by welsafty:
Noooo,
I have only 7 packs left, and time is running out

Maybe I was to tough on her, but it is only because I don’t like double standards,
Someone would do something, and say something completely different and everyone have to agree with them, plus one more thing about sue333, why the heck would she say anything about my parents, and suggesting they should be ashamed of me,
As if she is implying that she is OLD enough to know what is right and what is not, and is giving me a lesson in manners,
In the sates and English speaking cultures we say “those who can’t do, teach”,

in Egypt we say “those who lack something cannot give it”
and we also say “does not speak of manners, those who don’t have it”

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I am not going to get involved in a slanging match with you. I am too nice for that. So whatever you write after- I am leaving this here. Just read the attacks you write and you will understand the comments made. You can say what you want about me because you don't know me, are totally wrong in your opinion of me and in the end the people I care what they think are my family and my friends.

1 No desire to 'hunt'. Wasnt looking for or wanting an Egyptian man. The man approached me to take care of me when I was sick. He is a decent person. He liked my children and spent lots of time with them.

2. No need or desire to be important. I am important in my career and in my childrens lives. Th rest- it doesnt matter.

3. My children are proud of me and not ashamed or me in any way- I gave them nothing to be ashamed of.

4. Who knows whether the other person is sincere at this moment. I can only be true to myself. If he happens to be insincere that is his shortfall not mine.

5. Lastly, attacking people who come on here just trying to be friendly and asking for information about a culture we only partially know- is not a good thing. If I didnt know better I could think this was the attitude and agression of the majority when in fact most Egyptian (and Muslim) people I know are lovely decent people. I know a number of people from the Middle East in general, and they whilst we may hae different views on politics etc, we are able to see other peoples views and accept people for them.

I should not have lowered myself to retaliate, as you have, but would your parents really be proud of men who categorise all women and attack them verbally, and some of the men who have sex in such a way, when the religion is so strict in these matters. The west is a lot more open on these matters and that can be a bad thing, but surely those people in a strict muslim country should either abide by the religion or at least be quiet if they arent, and not just blame the 'temptation'.

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Originally posted by welsafty:
in Egypt we say “those who lack something cannot give it”
and we also say “does not speak of manners, those who don’t have it”

A very old English saying for you :-

'Manners maketh the man'

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Originally posted by Penny:
A very old English saying for you :-

'Manners maketh the man'

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Originally posted by Luxorlover:
Hi there Welsafty - there has been a marked, and almost overnight, improvement in your spelling and your English. Can I have some of whatever pills you are taking - they would do wonders for some of my ex-students.

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Originally posted by welsafty:
Microsoft spelling check

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...now why didn't I think of that!

People think it is dreadful that some of the posts lump all Egyptian men under one negative description. But, you are Egyptian (or supposed to be) and you infer that it is right for Egyptian men lie, cheat, and steal from these women because they are stupid. Maybe they are stupid. They are also lonely and trusting and it would not occur to them that they in coming to Egypt that had done the equivalent of falling among thieves.

There are millions and millions of good Egyptian men would not lie, cheat and steal from anybody. Good Muslims who love their wives and children but would not dream of taking three more European wives (all unknown to each other) just to get money out of them and feel that they are smarter than they are.

They also say that anyone reading this forum would be frightened off coming to Egypt - how can you have made that any better by indicating that Egyptians are a nation of fornicating thieves.

Khaloud you not painting a bad picture of European women you are painting an horrific picture of Egyptian men and describing a complete lack of morals.

That is no advert for this wonderful country and you should be ashamed.

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Originally posted by khaloud:
ADOUL you are right because all the old brits women come only to have sex in egypt.
they doing that when they became like garbage in there country.i think all the egyptian men are right to play games with this kind of womens.because they think they are smater than our boys but at the end they see they are very stupid.

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You can take this as a friendly WELCOME to our forum

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Originally posted by khaloud:
MISS OLD GE GE i have no problems thank you
but i think you are the one who has many problems,i think you are coming to luxor this month or next month please donot try to sleep with many boys in one time but use them one by one and we are waiting you here when you come back with some tears because one of them cheated on you.
i advice you to ask loxorlover help because she is already used most of luxor boys then she can lead you well.with how much money you have to pay and who is the strogest boy etc

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welsafty
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Registered: Aug 2004
posted 22 September 2004 08:21 PM
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Wow, that wasn’t very nice of you
It just happened the despite fact that I don’t always agree with loxorlover, and GeGe, I still like and respect both, and I see no reason for you to insult them this way.
I conceder both my friends, and beware, I have a very bad temper when someone insult my friends in front of me, and I have the fastest insulting keyboard ever!!!!!!!
So please be respectful, especially because you have only 4 posts so far, and you seem to hate everyone already
You can take this as a friendly WELCOME to our forum

How can I have used all the boys on the Corniche? There are so many of them and they are far too busy to bother with women when there is so much to be made from gay men.

Why do you make out that all the Luxor boys are prostitutes when they are not? Most of them work hard to earn a living - they do not sell their bodies.

In the 7 years that LL has lived here I have only ever known her to be with one Egyptian Man.

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Originally posted by Abdul:
So you really think old British women are attractive to young Egyptian men? Not to me and not to any of my friends. I agree we have sex with you, but this doesn't mean we find you beautiful. But you are such easy prey. You come here and look for men. Young and good looking Western girls never are after us, it is you old ladies over 40. So easy to have sex with you, you believe everything we tell you. We can look in your eyes and you think we tell truth. You are so stupid. And then you are desperate in finding men that you believe everything. When I read what you write in this forum I must only laugh. You are so silly. Really think any men you write about here is serious with you?

But why should we say no when you offer yourself? It is not easy for men in Egypt to have sex if not married. Egyptian girls do not sleep around like old British ladies do. You really think we love you when we tell you? Look at you, all of you have fat tummy, breasts hanging down, ass is to big, wrinkles in face, legs are not nice and you really think you look nice? We tell you so, but all we want is sex which you give so easily. And when your holiday is over, next British woman comes. You really think 20 or 30 years old man wants to marry old woman? It is like marrying own mother! Men in my country want women who can give children! But many my friends want British wife for visa, but we never ask for it. You always offer invitation to your country. You think we are nicer than British men. Yes, we are good actors in getting what we want.

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Originally posted by khaloud:
MISS OLD GE GE i have no problems thank you
but i think you are the one who has many problems,i think you are coming to luxor this month or next month please donot try to sleep with many boys in one time but use them one by one and we are waiting you here when you come back with some tears because one of them cheated on you.
i advice you to ask loxorlover help because she is already used most of luxor boys then she can lead you well.with how much money you have to pay and who is the strogest boy etc

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Originally posted by Luxorlover:
ANM - many thanks for your astute observations. If you are right then I shall loose all faith in Egyptian youth.

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Originally posted by yaya_mah:
OH MY GOD....I've never seen one so proud about his own stupidity...I always thought men should be proud when they reject women who are too cheap...but it's the first time I see someone who's proud for being a gigglo...wierd...

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Originally posted by zeina20:
Really I'm disappointed , how dare you to describe a woman body like this , who told you that this elderly womann are applying for miss universe competition . Why don't u tell the woman no without hurting , or fooling her.
Let me tell u something and be honest with ur self and tell the truth .Imagine that u are 50 years and u went to Russia ( I didn't mean anything bad about any Russian but I know how the Egyptian men adore the Russian beauty ) and u r single and not handsome but u have money , what would u do ? u would go and pick up a blonde girl and pay her what so ever , she would give u a good time and she would n't come to this page complaining about ur big belly or what so ever ,she would never come to u saying she loves u or this nonsense, it's fair enough,u had a done deal, she got what she wanted and gave u what u wanted .But you guys taking advantage of those ladies ,either money , Visa, or sex so don't come and complain and hurt them , plus I know u guys , I have seen and meet a dozens of u in Sharm with Italian women , u r very sweet talkers , good hunter, and u know that these elderly women need sweet words ,tenderness ,fake stories which is the easiest thing to make up , really I'm upset that u still think by the way of ur great grand father, u still think that beautiful woman is only a nice face and nice round what so ever , yaa man these things will never remain forever what will remain is a good and kind heart , good personality ,charming sprit , let me tell my experience I know most of the commercials models, and I hate being around with them coz they are so silly and deep inside they have nothing to offer more than a body and face which u can't even talk to . On the other hand I really enjoy a conversation with an elderly person coz every word s/he will say is a history ,his/ her history. Remmber one day u will be on her shoes so don't forget that what goes around , comes around.
I'm sorry if it was long but I couldn't shut up ,
An Egyptian girl who'll never say yes, when she wants to say no .

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Originally posted by mody:
this forum is starting to be fake

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Starting to be?

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Originally posted by Ayisha:

Starting to be?

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yes,u r right,i'm sorry:-D,it has always been:-D,and there is nothing we can do about it

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Originally posted by Abdul:
I do not need any British woman, but when you offer yourself why shall I say no?

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Abdul,

Americans don't use "shall"

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Originally posted by Ayisha:

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Originally posted by zeina20:
Really I'm disappointed , how dare you to describe a woman body like this , who told you that this elderly womann are applying for miss universe competition . Why don't u tell the woman no without hurting , or fooling her.
Let me tell u something and be honest with ur self and tell the truth .Imagine that u are 50 years and u went to Russia ( I didn't mean anything bad about any Russian but I know how the Egyptian men adore the Russian beauty ) and u r single and not handsome but u have money , what would u do ? u would go and pick up a blonde girl and pay her what so ever , she would give u a good time and she would n't come to this page complaining about ur big belly or what so ever ,she would never come to u saying she loves u or this nonsense, it's fair enough,u had a done deal, she got what she wanted and gave u what u wanted .But you guys taking advantage of those ladies ,either money , Visa, or sex so don't come and complain and hurt them , plus I know u guys , I have seen and meet a dozens of u in Sharm with Italian women , u r very sweet talkers , good hunter, and u know that these elderly women need sweet words ,tenderness ,fake stories which is the easiest thing to make up , really I'm upset that u still think by the way of ur great grand father, u still think that beautiful woman is only a nice face and nice round what so ever , yaa man these things will never remain forever what will remain is a good and kind heart , good personality ,charming sprit , let me tell my experience I know most of the commercials models, and I hate being around with them coz they are so silly and deep inside they have nothing to offer more than a body and face which u can't even talk to . On the other hand I really enjoy a conversation with an elderly person coz every word s/he will say is a history ,his/ her history. Remmber one day u will be on her shoes so don't forget that what goes around , comes around.
I'm sorry if it was long but I couldn't shut up ,
An Egyptian girl who'll never say yes, when she wants to say no .

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Originally posted by Abdul:
So you really think old British women are attractive to young Egyptian men? Not to me and not to any of my friends. I agree we have sex with you, but this doesn't mean we find you beautiful. But you are such easy prey. You come here and look for men. Young and good looking Western girls never are after us, it is you old ladies over 40. So easy to have sex with you, you believe everything we tell you. We can look in your eyes and you think we tell truth. You are so stupid. And then you are desperate in finding men that you believe everything. When I read what you write in this forum I must only laugh. You are so silly. Really think any men you write about here is serious with you?

But why should we say no when you offer yourself? It is not easy for men in Egypt to have sex if not married. Egyptian girls do not sleep around like old British ladies do. You really think we love you when we tell you? Look at you, all of you have fat tummy, breasts hanging down, ass is to big, wrinkles in face, legs are not nice and you really think you look nice? We tell you so, but all we want is sex which you give so easily. And when your holiday is over, next British woman comes. You really think 20 or 30 years old man wants to marry old woman? It is like marrying own mother! Men in my country want women who can give children! But many my friends want British wife for visa, but we never ask for it. You always offer invitation to your country. You think we are nicer than British men. Yes, we are good actors in getting what we want.

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Lot of these things I have been thinking of myself, but I didn’t feel inspired to write about it. Why should I have been doing so? Why writing things that can be misunderstood so easily, that can possibly hurt if misunderstood? Most of the time it’s wiser so keep quiet, than to speak out loud.

In the past I have been surprised by reading some messages in many topics. Messages from women that have a good holiday. During this time they meet a man and they spend some time with him. As they go back they seem to dream on and believe that they found the man of their lives, eternal love. And than I wonder. How can anyone believe that anyone can speak of true love before he even knows the person he ‘loves’? How can one believe that sweet spoken words, send into your heart in the warm shining moonlight, three days after meeting you, can have any value when they whisper in your ears that they are words of eternal love? Who’s fooling who, I always think than. But it’s far from me to judge. I’m flesh as well.

On the other hand, I have met some Europeans that got married with Egyptian men. What I hear from them is that they met him and later on, now, they have a good marriage. They are happy. So it’s possible to meet the man of your life. All over the world. I guess it all starts with self respect and respect for those around you.

On the other hand I wonder how it’s possible that so many holiday lovers there are in Egypt. In family mater there is quite a strong social control, but as soon as you reach the bazaar of the corniche, it seems like everyone is hunting everyone with sweet words. My wife and I always were very amused to see how the young man that invited us, laughed as soon as we took it all with a smile and answered back. In a friendly, smiling way, without offending or humiliating them, but with a very good feeling of self respect. And as one of them was too offensive, touched my wife, I did react. Yes, the habits in Europe are different, but we have ways of behaving out of self respect as well. They are different, but they are there and one will not cross that border without getting reaction. So as we go to Egypt, we try to behave the way someone living in Egypt would do if he has some self respect. Respecting yourself makes others respect you. And I must say, we never had any trouble and we were welcome everywhere we went to.

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Originally posted by Dirk:
I've been away from this forum quite a while. And believe me I'm surprised about this topic.Surprised for several reasons.

Lot of these things I have been thinking of myself, but I didn’t feel inspired to write about it. Why should I have been doing so? Why writing things that can be misunderstood so easily, that can possibly hurt if misunderstood? Most of the time it’s wiser so keep quiet, than to speak out loud.

In the past I have been surprised by reading some messages in many topics. Messages from women that have a good holiday. During this time they meet a man and they spend some time with him. As they go back they seem to dream on and believe that they found the man of their lives, eternal love. And than I wonder. How can anyone believe that anyone can speak of true love before he even knows the person he ‘loves’? How can one believe that sweet spoken words, send into your heart in the warm shining moonlight, three days after meeting you, can have any value when they whisper in your ears that they are words of eternal love? Who’s fooling who, I always think than. But it’s far from me to judge. I’m flesh as well.

On the other hand, I have met some Europeans that got married with Egyptian men. What I hear from them is that they met him and later on, now, they have a good marriage. They are happy. So it’s possible to meet the man of your life. All over the world. I guess it all starts with self respect and respect for those around you.

On the other hand I wonder how it’s possible that so many holiday lovers there are in Egypt. In family mater there is quite a strong social control, but as soon as you reach the bazaar of the corniche, it seems like everyone is hunting everyone with sweet words. My wife and I always were very amused to see how the young man that invited us, laughed as soon as we took it all with a smile and answered back. In a friendly, smiling way, without offending or humiliating them, but with a very good feeling of self respect. And as one of them was too offensive, touched my wife, I did react. Yes, the habits in Europe are different, but we have ways of behaving out of self respect as well. They are different, but they are there and one will not cross that border without getting reaction. So as we go to Egypt, we try to behave the way someone living in Egypt would do if he has some self respect. Respecting yourself makes others respect you. And I must say, we never had any trouble and we were welcome everywhere we went to.

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Dirk it is better to write what you think rather than just remian quiet. I very much agree with what you wrote especially about self repsect. I think we do have a different code of self respect but whilst when we travel abroad we should take on the right actions to show respect to the people and country we visit, we should never leave our own code of self respect at home.

I would like to see more men like you stand up for their wives and in particular more fathers stand up for their teenage daughters.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Penny

In Ghent (Belgium) I have been working for 5 years as social worker in a program for immigrant teenagers. I was responsible for the group of 12 –15 year old boys. We have many Turkish immigrants in Ghent. As their grandparents moved into Belgium, these boys and their parents were born in Belgium, but they never got integrated or accepted fully. So they have roots, with strong family ties and a strong tradition. The more they feel hurt by our community, the more they resist (would be just like that I guess). Everyone has a certain pride and so have they. Working with them I learned a lot about interculturality. I understood that you have to learn to know and respect someone before you can expect that they respect you. They have their tradition, their values and we have ours. And in a way the fundaments are the same, the way of showing it is different. And that’s difficult to understand. The way they look at us is incorrect, but how can they understand our behaviour correct as they look at it from different values, different codes? And the most important thing is to understand that the same thing goes up for us. How can we interpretate them correct, as we look at it from our values and ways of behaving? The only way is to spend time with them and to start with an open mind and equality. How can I show them that it bothers me when they speak respectless about women, if I act in a way that –in their way of acting- is a sign of lack of (self)respect? And that is what I see all the time when I travel around, or when I visit my friends in Egypt. Tourists walking around like elephants in a store of teacups, wondering why ‘these Egyptians’ show no respect. In a way it shouldn’t even make a difference that you are guest in their country, because that is not the key to communication, to respect. That would be the same as saying to these Turkish boys: ‘it’s our country, so you simply have to show respect’. No, respect is something that comes from deeper inside. You have to earn it by giving it. And you can learn a lot from others, because they can point the finger at the weak spots in your way of living.

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Originally posted by crazylobo:
[B] Your like american men ... same bs, same lines, same horrible acting. B]

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