quote:Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy: I don't respect a woman who have a child without a father and then keep looking for a father to her child! ONLINE! and i don't want to be in touch with such a woman, she is a sinner and she agreed to do this and i am sure woman like that has done it many times! I have heard some facts about that woman that I'd rather stay away from her and not even add her to my yahoo list so it wont be contaminated.
Women like her do not deserve to live and the pics, i didn't see any of them but people called her the bottle woman! in some posts, i can imagine where the bottle was! will you do a picture like those! will you agree to be the second bottle woman if your husband asked you to do so!
What kind of a man who ask his woman to take a picture like the one i have heard about! and what kind of woman will agree! if the man is bad the woman is way too bad to accept that! if she was a good woman she would have left him right away after he asks for those picture!
I dont show my webcam to anyone! only my close friends and that's it.
Mrs. I have my private life and ES is just something i do to kill the time.
so i dont really care about this sick woman or your opinion to open my cam to a sick woman who is calling a complete stranger who she didnt even meet or see, a father of her child! LOL
What a WEIRDO!
But as a "true egyptian male" you respect the father for treating her bad and giving a sh!t about the child????? To me she wasnt looking for a father. As i read it she is trying to make a looser stand up and take some responibility for his son. But rather have no dad than a low life looser dad.......!
I totally agree with you Tibe-at-work, i really wish her good luck in hunting a husband and father for her child!!
Im not quite sure you understood what i was writing.....................
I understood what you wrote! and from all of my heart AGAIN i really wish that woman luck in finding a father to her child and husband from ES! But as far as i know that this woman is already married!! and have kids! ow come she is looking for a husband on ES! its so complicated but i wish her luck anyways!
so, as far as WE know, ur the father! quit making accusations u can't prove.
Excuse me! do i know you! Regardless of any assumbtion you made or your opinion, on what basis are you judging the whole situation! have you met that woman "m.e."!, does she have a pic for both of us together!! I guess anyone woman dating a guy and having a baby from him means that they have spent plenty of time together went out took pctures and had memories, where is my picture with that woman and what memories do we have!
Does she have anything to prove that i have even spent one minute with her! plus she doesnt even know how i look or know any information about me, why did she choose me out of ES! i never even spoke to her in pm's or online!!!
Do you really think i care about what you or anyone else (as you mentioned in your post! WE!!) think or believe!
You seriously need help if you think that i care about your opinion man or woman! F**k i dont even know if you a re a guy or a girl! how ironic this is! LOL
Just for your info, i am not here to meet people i am just killling the time and expressing my own points of view, which sometimes are wrong and sometimes are right, i some times might sound nervous or pissed off but dont get me wrong, i dont mean that by any means, it's like Italians when they speak with loud voice even if they sit on the same couch, doesnt mean they are fighting or arguing.
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I doesn't need much time to make a baby, specially not when the man in question doesn't have contacts on regular base. The more contacts, the more time it lasts. In case of unmarried Egyptians, I guess it will be two minutes. Something like it is with rabbits... prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-ready. Posts: 7202 | From: EU | Registered: Nov 2006
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YEG, most of the frequent posters like Smuckers, Tiger, Micky Azzam, Yorkshire, Tina, of_gold, Ayisha, MH, Sahyra, Dalia, desertgirl, me (ya3ni Shahrazat, not meaning m.e. ) and many others give clues about our lives like where we live, what we do for living, posting our pictures etc... Sure nobody has to do that in cyber world maybe but anyhow honest people are honest in everywhere, aren't day?
So if you are sincere as you mentioned above, you have to give some clues about your life. Maybe you did it but I havent seen Personally, I don't know what to think about you. Sometimes you become NiceEgyptianGuy, sometimes HellEgyptianGuy
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quote:Originally posted by ?????: I doesn't need much time to make a baby, specially not when the man in question doesn't have contacts on regular base. The more contacts, the more time it lasts. In case of unmarried Egyptians, I guess it will be two minutes. Something like it is with rabbits... prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-ready.
Off topic; hahaha I have 3 rabbits and it really is like this... (Therefore I separated them in different cages.)
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quote:Originally posted by ?????: I doesn't need much time to make a baby, specially not when the man in question doesn't have contacts on regular base. The more contacts, the more time it lasts. In case of unmarried Egyptians, I guess it will be two minutes. Something like it is with rabbits... prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-ready.
Off topic; hahaha I have 3 rabbits and it really is like this... (Therefore I separated them in different cages.)
How rude of you!!! Now you have to cover the cages, so that the males won't see the females anymore, otherwise the males will get very frustrated and might start to copulate with each other! Posts: 7202 | From: EU | Registered: Nov 2006
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Off topic; The weird thing is they are 3 males, 2 of them are even brothers. I think they are all gay... Posts: 2932 | From: Just now and then | Registered: Nov 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Shahrazat: YEG, most of the frequent posters like Smuckers, Tiger, Micky Azzam, Yorkshire, Tina, of_gold, Ayisha, MH, Sahyra, Dalia, desertgirl, me (ya3ni Shahrazat, not meaning m.e. ) and many others give clues about our lives like where we live, what we do for living, posting our pictures etc...
I'd NEVER post my picture on a public site.
There's a number of people on here who've met me in real life though, so if I was a fake or completely different to the way I'm presenting myself here, I'm sure that would be known by now. Posts: 3587 | Registered: Mar 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Shahrazat: YEG, most of the frequent posters like Smuckers, Tiger, Micky Azzam, Yorkshire, Tina, of_gold, Ayisha, MH, Sahyra, Dalia, desertgirl, me (ya3ni Shahrazat, not meaning m.e. ) and many others give clues about our lives like where we live, what we do for living, posting our pictures etc...
I'd NEVER post my picture on a public site.
There's a number of people on here who've met me in real life though, so if I was a fake or completely different to the way I'm presenting myself here, I'm sure that would be known by now.
Yeah,Dalia...thanks God we're not fake,no matter what others think. Besides,i dont have a problem to show my pic to my online buddies....AND I SAID BUDDIES,NOT ON THIS PUBLIC BOARD!!! Posts: 3833 | From: here,there,everywhere | Registered: Nov 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Shahrazat: YEG, most of the frequent posters like Smuckers, Tiger, Micky Azzam, Yorkshire, Tina, of_gold, Ayisha, MH, Sahyra, Dalia, desertgirl, me (ya3ni Shahrazat, not meaning m.e. ) and many others give clues about our lives like where we live, what we do for living, posting our pictures etc...
I'd NEVER post my picture on a public site.
There's a number of people on here who've met me in real life though, so if I was a fake or completely different to the way I'm presenting myself here, I'm sure that would be known by now.
me either Dalia* ... never posted it but may be one day Posts: 2591 | From: **Ex Oriente Lux** | Registered: Jan 2007
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quote: Yeah,Dalia...thanks God we're not fake,no matter what others think. Besides,i dont have a problem to show my pic to my online buddies....AND I SAID BUDDIES,NOT ON THIS PUBLIC BOARD!!!
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Are you guys serious? This thread is still going? Jesus fucking H. Christ! I thought it was all determines YEG was NOT the babies daddy? Did I miss something?
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I think that "m.e." is using new nicknames and using her sick mind to keep this thread alive!! and keep talking nonsense!
I have been told there was a thread that contains copy of the email sent by m.e.'s real husband and the real father for her kids! but i cant find this thread!
Does anyone have copies of those emails!
I would love to read them.
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If I knew those links, I would send them. I can't imagine why "m.e" would continue this thread when it was 'dead' for almost 2 weeks. Hummm..... smells fishy if you ask me...
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quote:Originally posted by Shahrazat: YEG, most of the frequent posters like Smuckers, Tiger, Micky Azzam, Yorkshire, Tina, of_gold, Ayisha, MH, Sahyra, Dalia, desertgirl, me (ya3ni Shahrazat, not meaning m.e. ) and many others give clues about our lives like where we live, what we do for living, posting our pictures etc... Sure nobody has to do that in cyber world maybe but anyhow honest people are honest in everywhere, aren't day?
So if you are sincere as you mentioned above, you have to give some clues about your life. Maybe you did it but I havent seen Personally, I don't know what to think about you. Sometimes you become NiceEgyptianGuy, sometimes HellEgyptianGuy
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Personally, I don't think he needs to. Regardless of whether he is or isn't the father or if he is yanal or not, it is not up to us to buy into this woman's story and start thrashing the man. This whole thread was a bunch of crap to begin with. He doesn't have to justify himself to any of us, he doesnt need to show himself on a webcam and anna Huna doesn't need to bring it here and PB posting her private chat as I have said before is wrong and a violation of trust. Therefore I would NEVER believe a person who would violate someones trust as they would do it to one person already shows their lack of character..
He never asked for public opinion, he never posted this so therefore he needs to prove nothing. It is heresay and gossip, unsubstantiated claims made, it should be treated as such...
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And exactly what is he doing to me, rumi? He will not stop discussing me and making unsubstantiated claims against me and gossiping against me. He needs to stop talking about me. Period. I do NOT want to talk about him or to him. Period. YEG leave me ALONE.
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quote:Originally posted by m.e.: And exactly what is he doing to me, rumi? He will not stop discussing me and making unsubstantiated claims against me and gossiping against me. He needs to stop talking about me. Period. I do NOT want to talk about him or to him. Period. YEG leave me ALONE.
I would also like to point out you brought this thread back up again, who wont leave who alone???
Just let it go or take it off the board, this is really is very personal and doesnt belong here..
He's discussing you because he is trying to defend himself because people seem to take what you say as the gospel truth. Who do you have to back u up- Mystic?? Like she has any sense in her head so why would I believe her?? It doesnt matter anyway, Im sick of reading about it. It doesnt belong here, and its ridiculous to bring private matters like this on a public forum.As a woman I can sympathize but you are really the one who put this whole matter on egyptsearch, or do you forget that???
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quote:Originally posted by Shahrazat: YEG, most of the frequent posters like Smuckers, Tiger, Micky Azzam, Yorkshire, Tina, of_gold, Ayisha, MH, Sahyra, Dalia, desertgirl, me (ya3ni Shahrazat, not meaning m.e. ) and many others give clues about our lives like where we live, what we do for living, posting our pictures etc... Sure nobody has to do that in cyber world maybe but anyhow honest people are honest in everywhere, aren't day?
So if you are sincere as you mentioned above, you have to give some clues about your life. Maybe you did it but I havent seen Personally, I don't know what to think about you. Sometimes you become NiceEgyptianGuy, sometimes HellEgyptianGuy
Well this is just a friendly reccommendation from a Muslimah sister
Personally, I don't think he needs to. Regardless of whether he is or isn't the father or if he is yanal or not, it is not up to us to buy into this woman's story and start thrashing the man. This whole thread was a bunch of crap to begin with. He doesn't have to justify himself to any of us, he doesnt need to show himself on a webcam and anna Huna doesn't need to bring it here and PB posting her private chat as I have said before is wrong and a violation of trust. Therefore I would NEVER believe a person who would violate someones trust as they would do it to one person already shows their lack of character..
He never asked for public opinion, he never posted this so therefore he needs to prove nothing. It is heresay and gossip, unsubstantiated claims made, it should be treated as such...
well said. I appreciate and respect every single word you have said in your post. Now i can say that we have wise and adult and respectable members here and there are many more her like Rumicrazieluv. Although sadly i don't know him/her personally and i never contacted him/her but his/her post showed how wise this person is. Peace.
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quote:Originally posted by m.e.: And exactly what is he doing to me, rumi? He will not stop discussing me and making unsubstantiated claims against me and gossiping against me. He needs to stop talking about me. Period. I do NOT want to talk about him or to him. Period. YEG leave me ALONE.
I would also like to point out you brought this thread back up again, who wont leave who alone???
Just let it go or take it off the board, this is really is very personal and doesnt belong here..
He's discussing you because he is trying to defend himself because people seem to take what you say as the gospel truth. Who do you have to back u up- Mystic?? Like she has any sense in her head so why would I believe her?? It doesnt matter anyway, Im sick of reading about it. It doesnt belong here, and its ridiculous to bring private matters like this on a public forum.As a woman I can sympathize but you are really the one who put this whole matter on egyptsearch, or do you forget that???
WRONG. Go back and look. It was brought back up on the 27th by Tibe and YEG repeatedly posted on it. I have not posted on it until now.
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YEG you leave me alone and I will leave you alone. THAT is what you wanted, right? Tell me what you want so you will stop discussing me.
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quote:Originally posted by m.e.: And exactly what is he doing to me, rumi? He will not stop discussing me and making unsubstantiated claims against me and gossiping against me. He needs to stop talking about me. Period. I do NOT want to talk about him or to him. Period. YEG leave me ALONE.
I would also like to point out you brought this thread back up again, who wont leave who alone???
Just let it go or take it off the board, this is really is very personal and doesnt belong here..
He's discussing you because he is trying to defend himself because people seem to take what you say as the gospel truth. Who do you have to back u up- Mystic?? Like she has any sense in her head so why would I believe her?? It doesnt matter anyway, Im sick of reading about it. It doesnt belong here, and its ridiculous to bring private matters like this on a public forum.As a woman I can sympathize but you are really the one who put this whole matter on egyptsearch, or do you forget that???
WRONG. Go back and look. It was brought back up on the 27th by Tibe and YEG repeatedly posted on it. I have not posted on it until now.
I really don't care m.e and I was talking about when you first registered and posted the situation on ES. You even have yanals web blog in your profile. I say this isn't the place for this no matter How much as a woman I sympathize. However, You are party to this and it really is enough. If you wanted him to leave you alone, then why do you have his blog in your profile????
Next point, I wasn't posting to you. I was posting to sharazat so why are you taking an opportunity to bring everything up again???
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I just visited this blog and this blog is being posted in it from ip addres that belongs to salt lake city, Utah in the united states of america!
is the man she is talking about living in Salt Lake City?
i am lost here!!! my conclusion is that this woman is the one whos posting in this blog!!
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Can you just answer this question how come this blog is being posted from an ip address in Salt Lake City while you say that your man is in Egypt!
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If he insistly repeats saying 'this is a lie', if he insistly comes again and again on this board, one day asking Russian women, one day praising Lebanese girls and one day as a real American hater acting like Bin Laden jr.... Each time, most of the members take them serious and most of them give their advices politely.
Really, I DON'T CARE who he is, I DON'T CARE if he is the father or not.. People are accussing him with too many things. And his each posts are like novels, too long, and just trying to tell that he is not the father of that baby. So mine was just a reccomendation for him for ending this absurd story for forever. He doesn't look like a person who has rules for himself. Sorry, but posting a picture, giving ideas about yourself isn't something like a prostution (sorry again). And easier than writing those long long posts.
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seems someons an attention whore...............
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quote:Originally posted by Shahrazat: YEG, most of the frequent posters like Smuckers, Tiger, Micky Azzam, Yorkshire, Tina, of_gold, Ayisha, MH, Sahyra, Dalia, desertgirl, me (ya3ni Shahrazat, not meaning m.e. ) and many others give clues about our lives like where we live, what we do for living, posting our pictures etc... Sure nobody has to do that in cyber world maybe but anyhow honest people are honest in everywhere, aren't day?
So if you are sincere as you mentioned above, you have to give some clues about your life. Maybe you did it but I havent seen Personally, I don't know what to think about you. Sometimes you become NiceEgyptianGuy, sometimes HellEgyptianGuy
Well this is just a friendly reccommendation from a Muslimah sister
Personally, I don't think he needs to. Regardless of whether he is or isn't the father or if he is yanal or not, it is not up to us to buy into this woman's story and start thrashing the man. This whole thread was a bunch of crap to begin with. He doesn't have to justify himself to any of us, he doesnt need to show himself on a webcam and anna Huna doesn't need to bring it here and PB posting her private chat as I have said before is wrong and a violation of trust. Therefore I would NEVER believe a person who would violate someones trust as they would do it to one person already shows their lack of character..
He never asked for public opinion, he never posted this so therefore he needs to prove nothing. It is heresay and gossip, unsubstantiated claims made, it should be treated as such...
If he insistly repeats saying 'this is a lie', if he insistly comes again and again on this board, one day asking Russian women, one day praising Lebanese girls and one day as a real American hater acting like Bin Laden jr.... Each time, most of the members take them serious and most of them give their advices politely.
Really, I DON'T CARE who he is, I DON'T CARE if he is the father or not.. People are accussing him with too many things. And his each posts are like novels, too long, and just trying to tell that he is not the father of that baby. So mine was just a reccomendation for him for ending this absurd story for forever. He doesn't look like a person who has rules for himself. Sorry, but posting a picture, giving ideas about yourself isn't something like a prostution (sorry again). And easier than writing those long long posts.
That's it...
I understand your point, and sure from a certain point of view it would make sense for him to just do it and get it over . However,if someone was assailing your character on here sharazat, continuously posting things that you state to be untrue, How would you react??? All people react differently, some people don't handle things well, others might ignore it knowing its not true or some might be so upset that they will try to fight off untruths with lengthy explinations. You cannot judge a person by how they react under these circumstance, it is not fair.Personally, if I was in YEGS position,I wouldn't post lengthy explinations, but I wouldn't post my picture either because its not anyones damn business on here what is going on in my personal life and I dont give a crap if a bunch of strangers validate me or not . As for the rest of his posts, well so what if he posts that lebanese women in his eyes are the best?? It isn't personal, its a preference that he feels, you want to judge by that??? You'll end up judging about 99.999% of the posters in this forum-we all have strong opinions, preferences and subjects we feel very strongly about and you see it on a daily basis here . However,What does that have to do with him having to defend himself against 3 women who between the three don't have sense enough to have any personal dignity and who's motives are highly questionable
If YEG is Yanal-well that is between him and Anna, its not appropriate for public consumption and it's just heresay.Don't get me wrong- I despise men who beat women, especially when they are pregnant-this shows a cowardly low life who obviously has issues with having a small penis and is overcompensating for his inadequacies by taking his frustrations out on a weak defenseless woman and unborn child. Despicable acts, if they are true. That's the whole point-we only have her word they are true.She states he is harrassing her, yet she is clearly thinking we are stupid enough not to see she is following him and trying to reverse it back on him being the culprit. She DID have yanal's so called blog posted in her profile Hmmm,wasn't she complaining that he was stalking her??? When you want to garner sympathy from a board where the majority of posters are women what's the guaranteed statement to bolster women's outrage?? Beating a pregnant woman, that's what. It immediately sends women off the deep end, and with good reason because it's one of the worst acts a man can committ against a woman besides raping her .
Bottom line sharazat- this isn't the place for this and not one of us know what really happened so we shouldn't be judging one way or another. This is way, way too personal for the board and should have never been posted on here!! Karmic justice has a way of righting wrongs, and if you believe in Allah then it will be up to her to judge them in the end, not the women of ES!! Posts: 1121 | From: Too crazy to look at a freakin map to find out.. | Registered: Sep 2006
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'''However,if someone was assailing your character on here sharazat, continuously posting things that you state to be untrue, How would you react??? ''''
I never come here again, that's what a normal person has to do I m not only talking for YEG, for m.e. as well.
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quote:Originally posted by Shahrazat: '''However,if someone was assailing your character on here sharazat, continuously posting things that you state to be untrue, How would you react??? ''''
I never come here again, that's what a normal person has to do I m not only talking for YEG, for m.e. as well.
Why?? Why should you let yourself be pushed out when you might really have done nothing wrong?? Then you would be giving them what they want.I wouldn't say normal people would do that sharazat-it would just be another reaction some people choose . I would never let anyone run me out of anywhere and neither would alot of people. To me that would be a sure sign of guilt, and what was said is the truth and the person is so embarrassed that they run away, I'm sure many people would agree.
I think though maybe you meant to say is that you would ignore it,continue on and not let yourself be sucked into defending yourself-which is what a majority of people would do and that is definitely what I would do .
Your definitely entitled to your opinion and how you would act, just don't contribute it as how "normal" people would act because we all have different ways of handling things with many factors coming into play and it boils down to how you were brought up to deal with conflict Posts: 1121 | From: Too crazy to look at a freakin map to find out.. | Registered: Sep 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Shahrazat: '''However,if someone was assailing your character on here sharazat, continuously posting things that you state to be untrue, How would you react??? ''''
I never come here again, that's what a normal person has to do I m not only talking for YEG, for m.e. as well.
If i were m.e,yes,i would never,ever come to post here again.Period.Deal with such a private matter in public.
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<I was in YEGS position,I wouldn't post lengthy explinations, but I wouldn't post my picture either >
Wait....did i miss YEG's pic?Were is it? Not that i'm asking for it,cause i wont EVER post mine here,but if he does it by himself....i would take a peek just like anybody else
quote:Originally posted by Sashyra8: <I was in YEGS position,I wouldn't post lengthy explinations, but I wouldn't post my picture either >
Wait....did i miss YEG's pic?Were is it? Not that i'm asking for it,cause i wont EVER post mine here,but if he does it by himself....i would take a peek just like anybody else
YEG!!!!!!!!!!!!Come back!!!!!!!!!
sash i am here my friend, i just got busy over the weekend, i had a nice one:)
I dont care about that woman called m.e. and about that blog she is the one posting in that blog! i think she hijacked that blog and she is using it to post her lies! Items in this blog were being posted from Salt Lake City, Utah, United states of america!
Who is living there! i used to think that her man is living in egypt! how come he is posting from Salt lake city!!!
I think this woman is sick and i think she is the one posting on that blog to make everyone believe that what she is claiming is true and just lie to everyone as usual!
Just imagine, how come she is trying to convince everyone that i am the man she is looking for while she is using someone else's blog on her profile and in that blog a guy, who is posting from Utah, is admitting that he is the father! so where is the problem! If what was in that blog is true then i think it wont be hard to be with that man, but i guess she is hijacked that blog and writing on behalf of someone to make every think that he is the one saying that but she is so naive because its so obvious that she is the one posting when i read that blog!
This woman is so weird and a liar, i dont know what does she want from ES!
I have read a copy of the E-mails sent by her husband and i was shocked
quote:However,What does that have to do with him having to defend himself
Rumi,
He is not defending himself, he is attacking me. I had said on two threads that I will not discuss the details of this situation on the board anymore or again. Look back and see the last derogatory thing I said about/to him. Look at his posts about me. The personal attacks need to stop, but he only continues to attack.
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This woman "m.e." is threating me on PMs and she mentioned something like FBI on her threat to me.
I am making everyone witness that, just to know how sick this woman is, she is totally unstable and i am warning everyone from this woman! stay away from her how many nicknames are she using? i know so far m.e. and ana huna!
i already added them to my ignore list, she was the one started the whole thing with me now she is claiming that i am the one who doesnt want to leave her alone while i dont even know her and i think i am the only one who didnt see her breath taking pictures in this forum!
Please tell me how to deal with this woman! can we kick her out of ES?? i hope we can
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