quote:Originally posted by ARROW99: Doesn't matter rasol. Why do the northern europeans even come into the conversation?
For the exact reason that was just explained: The term barbarian, which you were discussing, originally referenced Northern Europeans.
I do agree though that Northern Europes barbarian proginators of most modern Europeans had relatively little to do with Ancient Greece.
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They had everything to do with them to the extent that they were their ancestors.
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The ancestors of the greeks are Europeans , not africans. The geneticists do not say the Greeks have afraican ancestry.
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quote:Originally posted by ARROW99: The ancestors of the greeks are Europeans , not africans. The geneticists do not say the Greeks have afraican ancestry.
Yes they do. All geneticists concur that the Greeks have African ancestry.
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that modern Greeks have african ancestry. One of the question I asked you was to show data proving that ancient Greeks were decendants of african.
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Because you have never answered it. Lets agree that there were people with the genes you mentioned in the area during neolithic times. Brace and the others NEVER say they were the ancestors of the ancient Greeks. In fact they say VERYlittle about these people because almost nothing is known of them. How many were there? You don't know. Where did they live? You don't know.
I can put up 300 pots here showing the Greeks were descendants of the Indo Europan invasion. You can post nothing showing where these two populations came together, if there was even an african descended population still around to mix with them.
Even beyond that. Go to the Brace study and list everytime he says "possibly."
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And who doubts the bulk of modern Greeks are descendents of ancient Greeks who mostly descend from neolithic Greeks who were heavily infused with NRY E3b which cometh from Africa.
10,000 years later after all whoever migrated to Greece E3b still has a significant frequency in Greece's general male population, how much more so before modern historic migrations.
quote:Originally posted by ARROW99: that modern Greeks have african ancestry. One of the question I asked you was to show data proving that ancient Greeks were decendants of african.
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quote:Lets agree that there were people with the genes you mentioned in the area during neolithic times.
In which case you agree that your question is answered.
quote:Brace and the others
Brace is not a geneticist. He has nothing to do with either your question, or the answer to it.
Your question has been answered. You are not addressing the answer, but simply being argumentative. And your arguments are irrelevant to the question and the answer.
Question, when did Africans migrate to Greece?
Answer, during the Neolithic.
Imagine someone so utterly terrified by the truth, that they are forced to pretend that they can't understand a clear and direct, 3 word answer.
If a child in public school could not understand the answer given, they'd likely be reassigned to 'special education'.
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"The first Greeks and Homer Let us now turn to the first Greeks who at about 2000 B. C. migrated from the North to Greece. When they settled at about 1700 B. C. in the Peloponnesus, they learned all about the Minoan civilization which they appropriated, improved, and developed. Thus the Mycenaean Civilization came into being.
This Mycenaean Civilization is primarily known to us through the Homeric Epics. Homer lived in the 8th century B. C., and, as everybody knows, was the first and greatest Greek poet. The Homeric poems led the archaeologists, the first of whom was the German Schliemann, to excavate Mycenae in the Peloponnesus and Troy in Asia Minor. These excavations brought to light the splendour and opulence of the Mycenaean Civilization, and corroborated the detailed descriptions in the Homeric poems and asserted the historical existence of Homer which up to a time, was doubted. The royal palaces, graves, beehivetombs, walls etc. found at Mycenae, as well as the treasures discovered there and later transported to the Athens Museum, are works of unique and invaluable archaeological importance.
According to the ancient legends the founder of the first dynasty to reign at Mycenae was Perseus, grandson of Acrisius of Argos, in whose reign the land was divided.
Thus the first Mycenaean dynasty of the Perseidae was founded, to which the first acropolis of Mycenae and the aforementioned graves and treasures belonged.
I stood upon the soil of Greece at last! (Oscar Wilde) There is a fullness of all things, even of sleep and love.
Homer, Greek epic poet (800 BC - 700 BC) The Iliad'
Seventh grade world history students lkearn the origin of the Ancient Greekc.
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quote:Originally posted by ARROW99: "Answer: During the Neolithic."
Prove it.
Translation of SimonSezese into English: Can you show me the previous discussion on E3b and its significance for partial African male ancestry in Greeks and other north Meds/Balkans.
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Even the Greeks never heard of these mythical Africans you guys invent.
History of Ancient Greece
Thucydides: On The Early History of the Hellenes (written c. 395 BCE)
The country which is now called Hellas was not regularly settled in ancient times. The people were migratory, and readily left their homes whenever they were overpowered by numbers. There was no commerce, and they could not safely hold intercourse with one another either by land or sea. The several tribes cultivated their own soil just enough to obtain a maintenance from it. But they had no accumulation of wealth, and did not plant the ground; for, being without walls, they were never sure that an invaded might not come and despoil them. Living in this manner and knowing that they could anywhere obtain a bare subsistence, they were always ready to migrate; so that they had neither great cities nor any considerable resources. The richest districts were most constantly changing their inhabitants; for example, the countries which are now called Thessaly and Boeotia, the greater part of the Peloponnesus with the exception of Arcadia, and all the best parts of Hellas. For the productiveness of the land increased the power of individuals; this in turn was a source of quarrels by which communities were ruined, while at the same time they were more exposed to attacks from without. Certainly Attica, of which the soil was poor and thin, enjoyed a long freedom from civil strife, and therefore retained its original inhabitants [the Pelasgians].
The feebleness of antiquity is further proved to me by the circumstance that there appears to have been no common action in Hellas before the Trojan War. And I am inclined to think that the very name was not as yet given to the whole country, and in fact did not exist at all before the time of Hellen, the son of Deucalion; the different tribes, of which the Pelasgian was the most widely spread, gave their own names to different districts. But when Hellen and his sons became powerful in Phthiotis, their aid was invoked by other cities, and those who associated with them gradually began to be called Hellenes, though a long time elapsed before the name was prevalent over the whole country. Of this, Homer affords the best evidence; for he, although he lived long after the Trojan War, nowhere uses this name collectively, but confines it to the followers of Achilles from Phthiotis, who were the original Hellenes; when speaking of the entire host, he calls them Danäans, or Argives, or Achaeans.
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^ Oscar Wilde is a poet, not a geneticist. As for the rest, it consists of uncredited comment unaccompanied by data, and so, utterly worthless.
Now, here is what a geneticist says:
Greeks share an important part of their genetic pool with sub-Saharan Africans (Ethiopians and west Africans) also supported by Chr 7 Markers.
The gene flow from Black Africa to Greece may have occurred in Pharaonic times or when Saharan people emigrated after the present hyperarid conditions were established (5000 years B.C.).
Question: When did Africans migrate to Greece? Answer: During the Neolithic.
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here is a little more. Neolithic Greeks came in from the north, not from Africa.
Pelasgians by Daphne Elliott Before recorded Time, (c. 900 BCE) but during an active migration era of prehistoric Greece (c. 10,000 BCE), a people came into the Pelaponnesus, presumably from the north, and settled around the eastern Mediterranian coast and its islands, Sicily, Lamapadusa etc. They were called "Pelasgians," which has several specific meanings, depending on which tranlation one might be reading. The word pelasgian means from the sea. It also means hairy. And to top it all, it means springing from the earth... sticks embedded in the earth that spring up in human form to populate their surroundings. From this we can conjure up a race of people that came from the sea, wore beards, and were "indigenous." Hence, they were the aborigines who settled the Pelaponnesus, coming before the Dorians. One might say they were the aboriginal ancestors of what we now call "Hellenes" -- today's Greeks as they have come down through the ages.
The Pelasgians were successful in establishing themselves and their culture in the land and sea. Apparently they espoused the existing cult worship of Hera, as there is still to be seen the ruins of a Temple dedicated to Hera which they built. They are credited also with being admirable house builders, taking a different approach from the old, cramped design. Instead of a hut, they used large stones for the base making a drier, more lasting habitat, which was quickly adopted by their neighbors.
They remain important in the grand sweep of Greek pre-history. Some ancient myths are even said to have begun with them. The myth of Helios' harnessing the sun to his chariot is said to date back to the Pelasgians.
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Wow...amazing watching this unfold before my very eyes....quite comical actually. Denial is an amazing drug apparently.
The reincarnated one has had his head handed to him on a platter and yet refuses to accept his utter defeat. Thats textbook insanity. Asking the same EXACT question over and over again expecting a different answer even tho its been give ad nauseum.
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he says "may have " rasol. Every Greek history books says othrwise, I can post this stuff all day.
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quote:Pelasgians by Daphne Elliott Before recorded Time, (c. 900 BCE) but during an active migration era of prehistoric Greece (c. 10,000 BCE), a people came into the Pelaponnesus, presumably from the north, and settled around the eastern Mediterranian coast and its islands, Sicily, Lamapadusa etc. They were called "Pelasgians," which has several specific meanings, depending on which tranlation one might be reading. The word pelasgian means from the sea. It also means hairy. And to top it all, it means springing from the earth
The above is certainly funny.
However, hairy Pelaponnesus springing from the earth has no bearing on the question:
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Southern Woman, Show me one place where the answer has been given. I asked these guys to show me the reasearch where african genes merged with Greek...IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE. It REQUIRES A SPECIFIC piece of archeology to do that. So no, they have not done. Every history book condems their position. Its simply pseudo- scholarship at its very worst.
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"During the neolithic" is so broad I could sail an aircraft carrier through it, where is the SPECIFIC proof.
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quote:Originally posted by ARROW99: he says "may have " rasol.
Incorrect, he says....
The gene flow from Black Africa to Greece may have occurred in Pharaonic times, or WHEN Saharan people emigrated after the present hyperarid conditions were established.
quote:Arrow99: Every Greek history book says otherwise
Incorrect, *no* general history book says 'otherwise', as such texts cannot comment on genetics.
Nothing you have cited has any relevance to either the question or the answer provided by geneticists.
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quote:Originally posted by ARROW99: "During the neolithic" is so broad I could sail an aircraft carrier through it.
Ok?
Sail whatever you like thru it, because you sure can't dispute it.
Africans sailed *themselves* thru it, and RIGHT INTO Greece where they literally 'fathered' the Neolithic in Europe. To this day Greeks, UNLIKE Northern Europeans, quite literally carry the lineage of their NEOLITHIC AFRICAN DADDY.
Shed all the tears of anguish you like. It won't change a thing.
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quote:Originally posted by Southern Woman: Wow...amazing watching this unfold before my very eyes....quite comical actually. Denial is an amazing drug apparently.
Quite right Southern Woman.
Especially when nearly a dozen discussants have made it clear to the poor man that he is making a fool of himself via desparate denial.
He can't deal with the answer.
He can't refute the answer either.
So he pleads the question, over and over.
I don't mind.
It just gives us and excuse to 'rub it in'.
quote:Greeks share an important part of their genetic pool with sub-Saharan Africans (Ethiopians and west Africans) also supported by Chr 7 Markers.
The gene flow from Black Africa to Greece may have occurred in Pharaonic times or when Saharan people emigrated after the present hyperarid conditions were established (5000 years B.C.).
Question: When did Africans migrate Answer: The Neolithic.
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Arrow/Hore, quite frankly, you can't back up anything you have written here. You can't do it. I don't think you can cite NOT-A-ONE legit source that will say that the greeks have NO african ancestry.
quote:"Every history book condems their position."
I don't know you but I would say its a pretty fair bet that you've not ready "EVERY" history book. And let's say you did, does it mean the eurocentric tripe you read is correct because YOU say it is?
Your question has been answered, you refuse to accept the answer.
quote:he says "may have " rasol. Every Greek history books says othrwise, I can post this stuff all day.
Did you notice your source says:
quote:a people came into the Pelaponnesus, presumably from the north
Is your point for being on this site to disprupt or to add to the discussion? Your return says you're here to continue the strife that you so enjoyed before. That speaks volumes. If you feel North Africans were some great mythical white race that rode into Africa in chariots and brought civilization to us 'uncivilized black savages'...then this forum is not where you want to be...because NO ONE here believes you or your brand of foolishness. Perhaps starting your own site about the Great Mediterranean Race would suit you better. But you and I know you're not leaving, you're one of those racist eurocentrics that enjoys going to sites RE: Africa/Africans and causing problems...its your lifes work. Fortunately, your kind is a dying breed.
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Going to start another thread on classic Greek views on their origins. Nothing like a donkey carrying books it cannot read while breying like an ass about the books contents.
The fact is I posted this quote from Thucydides long ago.
English translation of SimonSezese: By Danaan's classic writers mean Libyan Africans.
quote:Originally posted by ARROW99: Even the Greeks never heard of these mythical Africans you guys invent.
History of Ancient Greece
Thucydides: On The Early History of the Hellenes (written c. 395 BCE)
... the followers of Achilles from Phthiotis, who were the original Hellenes; when speaking of the entire host, he calls them Danäans, or Argives, or Achaeans.
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Hate to spoil your bed-time tooth fairy stories of Greek 'inheritance', but...
quote:Originally posted by ARROW99:
This is all poppycock. I'm not trying to save anything.
Therein lies the problem; you aren't even 'trying' to do what you wish you could do, i.e. to save the 'terms' under discussion, by actually addressing questions surrounding them.
quote:Arrow:
There is nothing to save.
I agree, those terms are not intellectually 'savable'. It is futile to do so, as you are just now finding out.
quote:Arrow:
Ancient greek culture was developed in Greece as a result of the invasion by Europeans from the north.
It would be interesting if these "invaders" from the north would have had the sense to first 'develop' the culture in their own backyard, before doing it in a foreign territory. Why they had to wait for thousands of years to have their "offsprings" in foreign territory to teach them how to farm and become 'literate', and indeed 'import' an entire culture, is beyond rational thinking. However, this ceases to be, when reality kicks in, that 'well-established' farming and literacy came into Europe, fully developed by folks with tropical African ancestry.
quote:Arrow:
Greek scholars all say that it was almost all home grown with minimal input from other sources although nobody lives in a vacum and obviously there were some.
...which is why Europeans were living in caves, prior to the imparting of the Neolithic farming economy into southern Europe, why 'literacy' was introduced from outside of Europe, why the idea of working metals came from outside of Europe, why Europeans came to wear 'processed' and 'manufactured' clothing from outside of Europe, why mathematics was introduced from outside of Europe, and why you are comfortably writing in the alphabets that you are using as we speak. Clear-headed thinking Europeans today should be quite thankful that ancient Greeks lived in an entirely different universe from that of your modern so-called Eurocentric "Greek scholars", in acknowledging both the 'inheritance' and 'significance' of these aspects of human social life, from outside of Europe.
quote: Actually Doug, Europe is the center of human progress. Everything of any importance in the second and third world was either brought by the British Empire or American business.
See post above.
quote:Arrow:
When you noted that European knowledge disappeared and then came back to Europe you were exactly correct.
"Knowledge" that they were not able use prior to it coming back, and presumably 'uncivilized' enough to have 'lost it'. Don't you ever quit your daytime job to become a 'defense' lawyer.
quote:Arrow:
From an emotional standpoint you may not like that position, just as emotionally you do not like the fact that Egypt is a near eastern nation but thats the way it is.
When you couldn't deliver answers to the outstanding questions surrounding the "Near East", was that a product of your intellectual incapacity, emotions, or both?
quote:Originally posted by ARROW99:
Nothing important to the modern world came out of africa except cheap labor and natural resources.
Indeed, that you can write, read and communicate with alphabets, as you are doing at this very moment, is something not considered important in tooth-fairy land.
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Thats not a diss , its just a fact.
Arrow, you are stupid. Don't take this as a diss, it's just a fact!
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quote:Ancient greek culture was developed in Greece as a result of the invasion by Europeans from the north
I don't bother refuting the above because I rather enjoy the implications - Native Southern Europeans played no role in their own civilisations. Rather they were civilised by the barbarian invaders from the north.
This is the basis for much "interracial" warfare between the white Nordes and non white Medits.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: Ancient greek culture was developed in Greece as a result of the invasion by Europeans from the north
I don't bother refuting the above because I rather enjoy the implications - Native Southern Europeans played no role in their own civilisations. Rather they were civilised by the barbarian invaders from the north.
This is the basis for much "interracial" warfare between the white Nordes and non white Medits.
I say, pass the popcorn and let the fighting commence.
quote:Originally posted by ARROW99:
Nothing important to the modern world came out of africa except cheap labor and natural resources.
Oh, are you making a(nother) claim? BACK IT UP. Talk about broad statements.
quote:SuperCar posted: Indeed, that you can write, read and communicate with alphabets, as you are doing at this very moment, is something not considered important in tooth-fairy land.
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quote:Arrow:
Thats not a diss , its just a fact.
Arrow, you are stupid. Don't take this as a diss, it's just a fact!
Who said it was a dis? When you think about how broad the staement was, it was a diss. Good wordage Supe.
quote:Originally posted by rasol:
quote:Ancient greek culture was developed in Greece as a result of the invasion by Europeans from the north
I don't bother refuting the above because I rather enjoy the implications - Native Southern Europeans played no role in their own civilisations. Rather they were civilised by the barbarian invaders from the north.
This is the basis for much "interracial" warfare between the white Nordes and non white Medits.
I say, pass the popcorn and let the fighting commence.
, talk about psuedo-scolarship, but anyways I doubt Hore can prove:
quote:Ancient greek culture was developed in Greece as a result of the invasion by Europeans from the north
watch this I'm going to play fortune Teller: Answer: No.
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Its clear Arrow can't except this becuase of his predissposed thoughts of africans, He stated the haven't contributed to humanity. Which is false of course. IMO people like arrow needs thier brians reweird for better processing capabilities...It seems he is inept to accepting this bit of information
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: I am more than willing to look at your views with an open mind but I want some specific data if I'm going to do that.
Bull-sh|t professor,
you, a bigot, and open-mindedness, definitely, do not mix:
You want to listen to real open minded un-biased people even less than this perfect example cat: ^^wants to hear nails screeechind across a chalkboard or a piece metal!
Which is why you continue to scream: 'I can't hear you, you have presented no edivence' to yourself and others on this board.
Unfortunately, (for hore) such rantings don't make things true.
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quote:When Ausar (an Egyptian) posted the below it should have been the end all there: Actually, Egypt is not really a Arab nor a ''Middle Eastern'' country. Egypt only became geopolitically alinged with so-called Arab countries around 1952 under the banner of Pan-Arabism.
One thing you seem to confuse,like most Westeners, is religion with ethnicity connecting Arabs with Islam. You actually have Islamic nations in many sub-Saharan countries and even nations like Indonesia which have no Arabic speaking populations. You also forget Egypt is about %10 or more Christian.
Regardless of the language and religion praticed, the rural Egyptians culturally have more in common with sub-Saharans than Saudi Arabians. I could point out the similarities but I really don't have much time to waste on this board.
Using the perceptions of both Westeners is nothing more than appeal to popularity. Because 99% of people believe something does not make it a fact.
The term "near-eastern'' is another made up geo-political term that refers to former provinces of the Ottoman empire. Many people in Near-eastern studies also include Sudan in this geographical location. Would you agree that Sudan is also Near eastern or is this just Egypt?
But his desperate self just couldn't take it and had to humilate himself some more..
He claims that the roots of ancient Greek culture was European even though as Supercar says, the roots of Greek culture is what should really be described as "Middle Eastern" and not Egypt.
Greek Neolithic culture which includes animal husbandry as well as agriculture is not only aligned moreso with that of the Near East but solely with the Near East as these things were not developed independently in Europe!
In many religous beliefs and customs the ancient Greeks were Middle Eastern such as the ancient belief in fertility goddesses who were represented serpents, birds, and fish, just like those in early Middle Eastern myths; Male gods associated with bulls; sacrificial rituals involving goats and bulls; Libations with water and ritual purity; Honor invested in women's virginity and piety; family and blood vendettas; Xenia-- the laws of hospitality to strangers who enter your home, etc. -- All are customs found and associated with the Near-East and not Europe.
Some of the above customs above such as agriculture and animal domestication, libations, and ritual sacrifice by fire are also found in Africa which is not surprising as we have also told you ad-naseum about African roots in Greece also.
Hore then says that many elements of civilization were started in Northeast Africa but "by Egyptians and not Africans". As if Egyptians were not Africans.
Then the guy ask for us to "prove" that Greeks have African ancestry from the Neolithic, something which we've done a million times before! Takruri answers him by siting all the sources.
Now he talks about Pelasgians when it known that Pelasgians were pre-Indo-European people likely from Asia Minor.
LOL Poor old Hore, just won't get it!
quote:Arrow says: If I did a man on the street
quote: [quote]SuperCar responds: [qb] I did not know that you were gay.
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quote:Originally posted by ARROW99: Southern Woman, Show me one place where the answer has been given. I asked these guys to show me the reasearch where african genes merged with Greek...IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE. It REQUIRES A SPECIFIC piece of archeology to do that. So no, they have not done. Every history book condems their position. Its simply pseudo- scholarship at its very worst.
Arrow, are you for real? Rasol has posted the evidence to show that Greeks have some African ancestry........why are you pretending that that isn't the truth? The fact is that not only do the Greeks have some African blood, but the gods and founders of esoteric rites that were prevalent in Greece have their origin in Egypt and Ethiopia..........
Now let me say that I can back up what I have said. Do you want me too???????? Salaam
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^Arrow is a poor Eurocentric in helpless denial in face of the FACTS that are continuously brought forth in front of him, and have been presented to him for several years now. LOLPosts: 26267 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by ARROW99: Nothing important to the modern world came out of africa except cheap labor and natural resources.
^Of course the above racist and ridiculous Hegelian notion is the very heart and source Hore's incessant denial.
Eurocentric doctrine #6 (you would think it would be #1) IF IT WAS GREAT, IT MUST HAVE BEEN WHITE: If advanced science, art, or architecture is found in Africa or South America, then Phoenecians, Greeks, Celts, Vikings (or, in the extreme case, space aliens) must be invoked to explain their presence. (Here, whiteness often functions as a relative concept, as "lighter than.") This bias gives rise to a pronounced tendency to date American or African cultures later than warranted, and as a result dating is constantly having to be revised further back into the past as evidence of greater antiquity piles up.
Forget the fact that the Semitic languages and culture of the Middle East which sparked great spiritual and religious revolutions of the world came from Africa. (which spread to even Europe [Greece].)
Forget the technological Stone Age (Neolithic) advancements that sparked the rise of civilization came from Africa.
Forget one of the earliest and popular civilizations in the world-- Egypt is African.
Forget that long before Africans were enslaved by Europeans they freely traded their resources with Europe and with Asia and were wealthier than Europe (Before Columbus, 80% of Europe's gold came from Africa) and were part of the global economic network with Arabia, India, and China before Europe became involved.
Let's just pretend that the Egyptians were actually wandering cacasoids made their way into the middle of the Sahara, only to wander again into the Nile and start civilization. (nevermind all the Saharan cave paintings of black peoples)
And that Indo-Europeans started civilization and not the indigenous farming peoples before them.
Yes this is the state of Eurocentrism a poor confused pitiful ofe whose glorious fantasy world of white-European-"kacazoid" supremacy is shattered and is desperately trying to pick up the pieces.
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The Middle East is considered part of Eurasia rather than Africa because it shares a much greater portions of it's borders with Eurasia, simple as that
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Concerning Ancient Egyptian at their formative stage. It seems even lower egyptians before the first dynasty (before the upper egyptians Naqada expansion from the south to unify and create the AE state) cluster more with Africans than with West Asians:
quote: Moving to the opposite geographical extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine.73 The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. - Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilisation (Kemp, 2005, p.54)
From (Kemp, 2005, p.54) Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilisation
There's no significant bio/ethnic relationship between the Levant and even Lower Egypt before the unification.
Beside the whole Ancient Egyptian state being the results of the Naqada expansion (in lower egypt) coming from the South. Ancient Egyptians were indigenous black Africans. Here we learn that pre-dynastic population from lower egypt before the unification differed significantly from the population of Palestine and Byblos of that period.
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quote: Moving to the opposite geographical extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine.73 The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. - Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilisation (Kemp, 2005, p.54)
From (Kemp, 2005, p.54) Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilisation
put up the primary source please
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You already know the references, since I gave them up to you in the other thread. Stop acting stupid.
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As if Egyptians were not Africans. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Takruri answers him by siting all the sources.
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