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I said we should re-discuss it, because i saw you beginning from "dictinaries" ending with Maures of the late ages.
The dictionaries might be useful when it comes to "words", but almost useless when it comes to "Foreign names" like "Mauris".
(I didn't follow the discussion, because it was hard to follow, long (form) and too open/wide (inforamtions)).
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The word Mauri is a Latin word regardless of where it originated and what it means or how it was used by speakers of Latin is not open to question.
The word Mazike was also a name that was used by one Berber tribe in ancient times and the fact that it is used now for all Berber nationals is not going to change history or the skeletons in the Mazike tombs.
Why don't you make ur point here.
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quote:Originally posted by Mazigh: "The word Mauri is a Latin word regardless of where it originated "
Can you explain a bit more?
What I meant was the word is uesed in Latin, even if it originated elsewhere. I am not sure where. Some have suggested it is Phoenician (Canaanite) in origin.
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quote:Originally posted by Mazigh: "The word Mazike was also a name that was used by one Berber tribe in ancient times and the fact that it is used now for all Berber nationals"
I don't believe this. Can you give an eliminating source?
Thanks in advance
Did u mean illuminating source? Actually there a number of sources which I think I have already mentioned several places throughout this forum.
I will mention a few early sources below.
The word "Mazikes" is used for a particular population in the deserts of Tripolitania and Tunis in Roman times and one of many tribes. They are sometimes called Mauri Mazazeces and categorized as "Ethiopians".
See S. Gsell La Tripolitaine et le Sahara au troisieme siecle de notre ere," in Mem. Acad. Inscr. XLIII (1933)
They are mentioned as the Mauri Mazazeces in the Latercolus Veronensis (Verona List of North African Provinces). see also Le Fin de Maroc Romaine, by Jerome Carocopino. In Melange d'Archeologie and d'Histoire vol 57, 1940
The Mazikes (Imazighen or Amazigh) and are always listed with other tribes of Mauri or Berbers in the texts of Byzantine Roman times through the 19th century even by colonialists. Therefore it is safe to assume it was the name of a tribe originally and not just a nationality.
Of course the name Mazigh is in fact said to have been the name of a "Canaanite" leader from which came the tribal name.
This tradition has been cited by many people ancient and modern.
"The Shellooh it must be observed are a clanspeople and great genealogists. They call themselves the descendants of Mazigh son of Canaan..." p. 263 Penny Cyclopedeia of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge. Volum 3-4. 1835
also found in The Tuareg Veil 1926 HR Palmer, The Geographical Journal, Vol. 68, No. 5 (Nov., 1926), pp. 412-418
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Thanks for the explanation. I think the Mauri were a part of the Imazighen not the contrary. But this would be another discussion.
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