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If the majority of E* carriers on the African Continent are the descendent's of South Arabian Populations the question naturally arises what happened to the pre Arab populations of Asia and Africa. 1.It was Empty space, so who cares. 2.There were no pre Arab populations in Africa and Asia. 3.There was no pre-Arab Civilization in Africa and Asia at all.Only a handful of indigenous drooling idiots,so who cares. 4.They were already Arabs but did not know it.
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quote:Originally posted by Pulp: If the majority of E* carriers on the African Continent are the descendent's of South Arabian Populations the question naturally arises what happened to the pre Arab populations of Asia and Africa. 1.It was Empty space, so who cares. 2.There were no pre Arab populations in Africa and Asia. 3.There was no pre-Arab Civilization in Africa and Asia at all.Only a handful of indigenous drooling idiots,so who cares. 4.They were already Arabs but did not know it.
What "pre Arab populations" are you referring to in "Asia" and what "pre Arab populations" are you referring to in "Africa"? And are you saying that the only haplogroup found in what you call "Africa" is haplogroup E???
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And as everyone knows I like to get into weird stuff about Atlantis and especially Aliens but only as a what if intellectual exercise..Mu???.. really?? that Ewe guy believes his ancestors came from the Island continent of Mu.
The guy seems to be talking about something very old and what he says seems to be consistent with what is said about the haplogroup DE. Read this:
Distribution
The majority of DE male lines can be categorized as being in either Haplogroup D (Y-DNA), which likely originated in Asia, the only place where it has been found,[1] or haplogroup E, which is believed to have originated in East Africa[3][4] or the Near East.[5] The remainder are said to be in the paragroup DE*, confirmed cases of which are extremely rare.
In a study of over 8000 men worldwide including 1247 Nigerians, Haplogroup DE* was observed in only 5 Nigerian males (5/1247). However, the study's authors caution that "the apparently paraphyletic status of this haplogroup, and hence the conclusions of nested cladistic analysis, are also likely to be illusory" and that "the only genealogically meaningful definition of the age of a clade is the time to its most recent common ancestor, but only if DE* is paraphyletic does it also become automatically older than D or E in this sense."[6] More recently, one example of DE* was found amongst the Nalu in Guinea Bissau (1/17). The DE* sequence of this individual differs by one mutation from the DE* sequence of the Nigerian individuals. This indicates common ancestry, though the phylogenetic relationship between the two lineages was not determined in this particular study.[7] A 2008 study detected DE* in two individuals from Tibet (2/594).[8]
Haplogroup DE is found in Africa (Haplogroups E and DE*) and East Asia (Haplogroups D and DE*) but is largely absent in between these two regions. The presence of DE across widely separated regions has confounded investigators trying to reconstruct the migration of humans from Africa to Asia. At some time, there was an extinction of DE lineages in West, South and Central Asia. Autochthonous DE lineages are absent in India, an important region in the dispersal of humans in Asia. However DE lineages have been detected in relict populations of the Andaman Islands. Underhill et al. 2007, suggest the possibility that deleterious mutations in some DE carriers may explain the extinction of DE lineages in India.[9]
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The BT haplogroup split off from haplogroup A 55,000 years before present (bp). It probably appeared in North East Africa. The C,FT haplogroup was the common ancestor of all people who migrated outside of Africa until recent times. The defining mutation occurred 31-55,000 years bp in North East Africa and is still most common in Africa today in Ethiopia and Sudan. The DE haplogroup appeared approximately 50,000 years bp in North East Africa and subsequently split into haplogroup E that spread to Europe and Africa and haplogroup D that rapidly spread along the coastline of India and Asia to North Asia http://www.ancestryhost.org/andymick/dna.htm Awlaadberry follow the dark red line D was migrating outwards of Africa and into Eurasia not back migrating to Africa and so we would expect populations carrying D to remember their ancient migration of upwards of 55kyrs ago just like the Ewe guy claimed in his vid. but do they??
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: The BT haplogroup split off from haplogroup A 55,000 years before present (bp). It probably appeared in North East Africa. The C,FT haplogroup was the common ancestor of all people who migrated outside of Africa until recent times. The defining mutation occurred 31-55,000 years bp in North East Africa and is still most common in Africa today in Ethiopia and Sudan. The DE haplogroup appeared approximately 50,000 years bp in North East Africa and subsequently split into haplogroup E that spread to Europe and Africa and haplogroup D that rapidly spread along the coastline of India and Asia to North Asia http://www.ancestryhost.org/andymick/dna.htm Awlaadberry follow the dark red line D was migrating outwards of Africa and into Eurasia not back migrating to Africa and so we would expect populations carrying D to remember their ancient migration of upwards of 55kyrs ago just like the Ewe guy claimed in his vid. but do they??
But what I sent you says that D likely originated in Asia.
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I suppose the same case can be made why The Americas majority haplogroups is not A,C,Q or X...because the Natives are no longer the majority. The Americas was taken over by foreigners.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: and so we would expect populations carrying D to remember their ancient migration of upwards of 55kyrs ago just like the Ewe guy claimed in his vid. but do they??
What do you mean by "remember" the ancient migrations? It's not like the guy is saying that he personally remembers migrating with his people. Posts: 895 | Registered: Feb 2010
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quote:What do you mean by "remember" the ancient migrations? It's not like the guy is saying that he personally remembers migrating with his people.
.. Naaw that's not what I mean,I am talking more like folk traditions here.
Come to think of it the only group of folks who have a living tradition that could possibly go that far back is the Australian blacks with their dream time and that has to do with being isolated on that Island continent for most of their history.
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quote:Originally posted by Pulp: If the majority of E* carriers on the African Continent are the descendent's of South Arabian Populations the question naturally arises what happened to the pre Arab populations of Asia and Africa. 1.It was Empty space, so who cares. 2.There were no pre Arab populations in Africa and Asia. 3.There was no pre-Arab Civilization in Africa and Asia at all.Only a handful of indigenous drooling idiots,so who cares. 4.They were already Arabs but did not know it.
no not really. Have to expose these massive amount of lying people who so happened to be from different nations, personally i believe they all got together to concoct these crazy stories about being from somewhere else. World: Africa
'Queen of Sheba' wall is no fake Scientists in Nigeria have authenticated an ancient wall near Lagos, but are playing down the possibility that it marked the boundary of the kingdom of the legendary Queen of Sheba.
A team of Nigerian and British archaeologists say the wall, which could be more than 1,000 years old, is genuine and not a modern construction.
Nigerian expert Levi Izuakor confirmed the wall was evidence of a great ancient city, but that little more than that could be said about its origins at this time.
The find had prompted suggestions that the centre of one of Africa's greatest kingdoms - and the final resting place of the Queen of Sheba - had been discovered.
But experts say the dating of the wall could eventually place its construction many hundreds of years after the lifetime of the Old Testament figure.
The wall lies hidden in the Nigerian rainforest at a site called Eredo, just a few hour's drive from the capital, Lagos.
A team from Bournemouth University, working with British archaeologist Dr Patrick Darling, recently completed a preliminary survey of the Eredo earthworks. They consist of a wall and ditch measuring 70ft (20 metres) high in places and approximately 100 miles (150km) long.
'Earliest rainforest kingdom'
While not approaching the complexity of a project like the pyramids in Egypt, the builders would have shifted an estimated 3.5 million cubic metres of earth during construction of the ramparts.
This is one million cubic metres more than the amount of rock and earth used in the Great Pyramid at Giza.
Archaeologists believe it marks out what is believed to be the boundary of the Ijebu kingdom, ruled by the 'Awujale' spiritual leader. The British eventually broke the Ijebu trade monopoly, leading to the decline of the kingdom.
However, the traditional position of Awujale still exists in the modern day town of Ijebu-Ode.
Dr Darling says the Eredo site is a particularly exciting discovery because it provides the "earliest proof of a kingdom founded in the African rainforest".
Monument of remembrance
People living nearby the Eredo monuments link the area to Bilikisu Sungbo, another name for Sheba, says Dr Darling.
Local tradition speaks of a great queen building a vast monument of remembrance, and there is an annual pilgrimage to what is believed to be her grave.
But scholars trace the legend of the Queen of Sheba to an Old Testament story, describing how the queen married Solomon and their son began a dynasty of rulers in Ethiopia.
Estimates suggest the Old Testament queen would have reigned in the 10th century BC - some 2,000 years before the Eredo wall is believed to have been built.
Dr Darling says the beliefs of the locals cannot be discounted.
"I don't want to overplay the Sheba theory, but ... the local people believe it and that's what is important."
He believes that, whatever the case, Eredo could become Nigeria's first world heritage site, joining monuments like Stonehenge in the UK and the pyramids of Egypt.
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Yazid903, do you really buy into the notion the Eredo ramparts could have been built by the Queen of Sheba -- who lived more than a full millennium before they were built, and was Ethiopian?
If so, what does that have to do with Arabs?
Now, I have read things like that Timbukti libraries store stories of Arab immigrants and even Jewish religion interestingly.
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OK! lets use common sense for a second why would an East African queen who ruled both sides of the Red seas traversed half a Continent to retire in a forest zone?? on the other hand civilization has been developing in the area for millennia starting with Nok,Kinatampo complex, Kirikongo in neighboring Cameroon, and to mention Dhar Tichitt farther to the west.The wall have no need of a Queen from the east to explain it's existence.
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quote:Originally posted by Pulp: If the majority of E* carriers on the African Continent are the descendent's of South Arabian Populations the question naturally arises what happened to the pre Arab populations of Asia and Africa. 1.It was Empty space, so who cares. 2.There were no pre Arab populations in Africa and Asia. 3.There was no pre-Arab Civilization in Africa and Asia at all.Only a handful of indigenous drooling idiots,so who cares. 4.They were already Arabs but did not know it.
The early populations of Arabia were the Arabs in the sense that Yarab bin Qahtan was the near relative of Saba bin Qahtan and Hadharam i.e. the Hadorab. It is not their fault the name has been more recently adopted by people with little Qahtani or African blood speaking modern Arabic. The name Arab came out of the African population occupying southern Arabia. Period. it is for this reason Strabo and Diodorus refer to Africa east of the Nile as Arabia and the Sabeans along the Nile as Arabians. For over 2,000 years there were no "Arabs" but this African population.
The so-called Arab or Semitic genealogy also only references these African people.
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