I repeat: 5W's&1H put together a brief post specifically outlining your Tjemehu, or any ancient Libyans', origin in Europe and residence there.
1 When did they indigene in Europe? 2 Where did they live in Europe? 3 What Europeans have the same coif and costume? 4 Why are there no records of them in Europe? 5 How did Herodotus miss listing them European? 6 Who has documented any of the above?
Diasporan was right about this thread. I'm sorry ahhi. I shoulda listened to you.
all of the commonly depicted so called "libyan" are up for questioning not just the Tamahu (the umbrella term)
The green period of the sahara was about 7500–7000 BCE to about 3500–3000 BCE
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By historic times the lands to the west had undergone desertification and were of little interest to the Egyptians who continued to direct their efforts towards Nubia and the Levant. There were Libyan campaigns during the Old and Middle Kingdoms, but it was from the New Kingdom onwards that major conflicts with Libyan peoples erupted, and at first the Egyptians were still capable of driving them off:
The wretched, fallen chief of Libya, fled by favor of night alone, with no plume upon his head, his two feet with no plume upon his head, his two feet [failed].
Hymn of Merneptah
The oldest known references to the Libu date to Ramesses II and his successor Merneptah, pharaohs of the Nineteenth Dynasty of Egypt, during the 13th century BC. LBW appears as an ethnic name on the Merneptah Stele
quote: Shu who dispelled the cloud that was over Egypt, letting Egypt see the rays of the sun disk. Who removed the mountain of copper from the people's neck, that he might give breath to the imprisoned folk. Who let Hut-ka-Ptah exult over its foes, letting Tjenen triumph over his opponents. Opener of Memphis' gates that were barred, who allowed the temples to receive their foods. The King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Banere-meramun, the Son of Re, Merneptah, Content with Maat. The Sole One who steadied the hearts of hundred thousands, breath entered their nostrils at the sight of him. Who destroyed the land of the Tjemeh in his lifetime, cast abiding terror in the heart of the Meshwesh. He turned back the Libyans who trod Egypt, great is dread of Egypt in their hearts.
Their leading troops were left behind, Their legs made no stand except to flee, Their archers abandoned their bows, The hearts of their runners grew weak as they sped, They loosened their water-skins, cast them down, Their packs were untied, thrown away. The vile chief, the Libyan foe, Fled in the deep of night alone, No plume on his head, his feet unshod, His wives were carried off from his presence, His food supplies were snatched away, He had no drinking water to sustain him. The gaze of his brothers was fierce to slay him, His officers fought among each other, Their tents were fired, burnt to ashes, All his goods were food for the troops. When he reached his country he was in mourning those left in his land were loath to receive him "A chief, ill-fated, evil-plumed", All said of him, those of his town. "He is in the power of the gods, the lords of Memphis The Lord of Egypt has made his name accursed; Merey is the abomination of Memphis, So is son after son of his kin forever. Banere-meramun will be after his children, Merneptah, Content with Maat is given him as fate. He has become a [proverbial saying] for Libya, Generation says to generation of his victories: It was never done to us since the time of Re;" So says every old man speaking to his son.
Woe to Libyans, they have ceased to live In the good manner of roaming the field; In a single day their stride was halted In a single year were the Tjehenu burned! Seth turned his back upon their chief, By his word their villages were ruined; There's no work of carrying [loads] these days. Hiding is useful, it's safe in the cave. The great Lord of Egypt, might and strength are his, Who will combat, knowing how he strides? A witless fool is he who takes him on, He knows no tomorrow who attacks his border! As for Egypt, "Since the gods," they say, "She is the only daughter of Pre; His son is he who's on the throne of Shu, None who attacks her people will succeed. The eye of every god is after her despoiler, It will make an end of all its foes", So say they who gaze toward their stars, And know all their spells by looking to the winds.
A great wonder has occurred for Egypt, Her attacker was placed captive (in) her hand, Through the counsels of the godly king, Who prevailed against his foes before Pre. Merey who stealthily did evil To all the gods who are in Memphis, He was contended with in On, The Ennead found him guilty of his crimes. Said the Lord-of-all: "Give the sword to my son, The right-hearted, kind, gracious Banere-meramun, Who cared for Memphis, who avenged On, Who opened the quarters that were barred. He has freed the many shut up in all districts, He has given the offerings to the temples, He has let incense be brought to the gods, He has let the nobles retain their possessions, He has let the humble frequent their towns". Then spoke the lords of On in behalf of their son, Merneptah, Content with Maat: "Grant him a lifetime like that of Re, To avenge those injured by any land; Egypt has been assigned him as portion, He owns it forever to protect its people". Lo, when one dwells in the time of the mighty, The breath of life comes readily. The brave bestows wealth on the just, The cheat cannot retain his plunder; [What a man has of ill-gotten wealth Falls to others, not (his) children.]
This (too) shall be said: Merey the vile foe, the Libyan foe Had come to attack the walls of Ta-tenen, Whose lord had made his son arise in his place, The King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Banere-meramun, Son of Re, Merneptah, Content with Maat. Then said Ptah concerning the vile Libyan foe: "His crimes are all gathered upon his head. Give him into the hand of Merneptah, Content with Maat, He shall make him spew what he gorged like a crocodile. Lo, the swift will catch the swift, The lord who knows his strength will snare him; It is Amun who curbs him with his hand, He will deliver him to his ka in Southern On, The King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Banere-meramun, Son of Re, Merneptah, Content with Maat".
Great joy has arisen in Egypt, Shouts go up from Egypt's towns; They relate the Libyan victories Of Merneptah, Content with Maat: "How beloved is he, the victorious ruler! How exalted is he, the King among the gods! How splendid is he, the lord of command! O how sweet it is to sit and babble!" One walks free-striding on the road, For there's no fear in people's hearts; Fortresses are left to themselves, Wells are open for the messengers' use. Bastioned ramparts are becalmed, Sunlight only wakes the watchmen; Medjai are stretched out asleep, Nau and Tekten are in the fields they love. The cattle of the field are left to roam, No herdsmen cross the river's flood; There's no calling out at night: "Wait, I come," in a stranger's voice. Going and coming are with song, People don't [lament] and mourn; Towns are settled once again, He who tends his crop will eat it. Re has turned around to Egypt, The Son is ordained as her protector, The King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Banere-meramun, Son of Re, Merneptah, Content with Maat
The princes are prostrate saying: "Shalom!" Not one of the Nine Bows lifts his head: Tjehenu is vanquished, Khatti at peace, Canaan is captive with all woe. Ashkelon is conquered, Gezer seized, Yanoam made nonexistent; Israel is wasted, bare of seed, Khor is become a widow for Egypt. All who roamed have been subdued. By the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Banere-meramun, Son of Re, Merneptah, Content with Maat, Given life like Re every day.
So if these texts correlate with depictions of people described a s Libyans above,
According to your theory the Egyptians didn't describe North Africans to the west in text or in art at all Everywhere in text and art we see that scholars are calling "Libyans", various tribes of Libya and so on, this is actually describing people who did not reside in North Africa or anywhere in Africa or even the Levant the Egyptians were really describing Southern Europeans
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So if these texts correlate with depictions of people described a s Libyans above,
According to your theory the Egyptians didn't describe North Africans to the west in text or in art at all Everywhere in text and art we see that scholars are calling "Libyans", various tribes of Libya and so on, this is actually describing people who did not reside in North Africa or anywhere in Africa or even the Levant the Egyptians were really describing Southern Europeans
Egyptians did not use the word Libyan this is an modern translation of the Egyptian text about the Tamahu
Can you show the hieroglyphic spelling of Libu because i heard it is also ribu
(I repeat) my theory is that some of the so called "Nubians" may actually be "Libyans" and not Sudanese
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: You rejected all the proofs. You simply refuse them. Yet you still make no cases in support of your idea other than repeating it like a mantra.
I repeat: 5W's&1H put together a brief post specifically outlining your Tjemehu, or any ancient Libyans', origin in Europe and residence there.
1 When did they indigene in Europe? 2 Where did they live in Europe? 3 What Europeans have the same coif and costume? 4 Why are there no records of them in Europe? 5 How did Herodotus miss listing them European? 6 Who has documented any of the above?
Diasporan was right about this thread. I'm sorry ahhi. I shoulda listened to you.
Herodotus describes many African animals in north Africa Strabo mentions how the North Africans wore leopard and lion skin however i see the Tamahu not dressed in either skin
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: No it don't. If I show it to you from 3 AEL dictionaries will you accept the dictionary translations of each word Massey uses even if suggests he was talking out his ass?
Lexicon or ideology? If you just want to push a faith despite what's in dictionaries I won't bother. I'll leave it up to you.
quote:Originally posted by Akachi: It literally translates into the "Created White People". More confirmation of the story that they were created by a group of rogue Kemetic priest (Yacub).
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So if these texts correlate with depictions of people described a s Libyans above,
According to your theory the Egyptians didn't describe North Africans to the west in text or in art at all Everywhere in text and art we see that scholars are calling "Libyans", various tribes of Libya and so on, this is actually describing people who did not reside in North Africa or anywhere in Africa or even the Levant the Egyptians were really describing Southern Europeans
Egyptians did not use the word Libyan this is an modern translation of the Egyptian text about the Tamahu
Can you show the hieroglyphic spelling of Libu because i heard it is also ribu
(I repeat) my theory is that some of the so called "Nubians" may actually be "Libyans" and not Sudanese
why would the Nubians Nhsj(w) be Libyan and not Sudanese?
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: No it don't. If I show it to you from 3 AEL dictionaries will you accept the dictionary translations of each word Massey uses even if suggests he was talking out his ass?
Lexicon or ideology? If you just want to push a faith despite what's in dictionaries I won't bother. I'll leave it up to you.
quote:Originally posted by Akachi: It literally translates into the "Created White People". More confirmation of the story that they were created by a group of rogue Kemetic priest (Yacub).
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Did any of you consider what Champollion said about the Tamahu might have been an attempt for him to insert Europeans into dynastic period North African history ?
quote: Diop translation of Champollion letter to his brother:
Finally [and I am ashamed to say so, since our race is the last and the most savage in the series]. Europeans who, in those remote epochs, frankly did not cut too fine a figure in the world. In this category we must include all blonds and white-skinned people living not only in Europe, but Asia as well, their starting point. "
- Champollion
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we must include ??
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Man, he ain't break down shit. He just ran down the same Massey. I can take you to the texts but scared of the dictionaries. Keep posturing. I peaked your hol card.
Lemme know when you ready to run with the big dogs and dig down to the brass tacks of the real hieroglyphics. This the 21st Century and you stuck on 19th Century mistakes cos it feel good.
quote:Originally posted by Akachi:
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: No it don't. If I show it to you from 3 AEL dictionaries will you accept the dictionary translations of each word Massey uses even if suggests he was talking out his ass?
Lexicon or ideology? If you just want to push a faith despite what's in dictionaries I won't bother. I'll leave it up to you.
quote:Originally posted by Akachi: It literally translates into the "Created White People". More confirmation of the story that they were created by a group of rogue Kemetic priest (Yacub).
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Well for one, Rasol considered it in the 2007 Egyptology thread Ancient Egyptian Ideology:Redux
Giving credit where credit is due
BTW Mercer Cook did the French-English translation. Diop was Francophone. Wish I had the French to reproduce Mercer. I think between Mercer and the publisher 'for a hundred years' or '104 years' got into print as '400 years'.
Also, Diop claimed today's Senegal's black Lebou were what he calls white Libyan Rebou in that screenshot. Guess he was unsure or did bias get in the way.
quote: Diop translation of Champollion letter to his brother:
Finally [and I am ashamed to say so, since our race is the last and the most savage in the series]. Europeans who, in those remote epochs, frankly did not cut too fine a figure in the world. In this category we must include all blonds and white-skinned people living not only in Europe, but Asia as well, their starting point. "
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Again stop trolling, I didn't read that old thread and I am not required to. You are contributing nothing with these sad attempts at instigation.
Read the following carefully
If I read books excerpts and articles on a subject and I come to that same conclusion that someone came to in 2007. I don't care. You are ignorant as to what plagiarism is.
You are pathetically needy for credit os some kind.
Read the following carefully:
Nobody including me, who doesn't use their real name deserves credit. How ridiculous to seek credit and not even use your real name.
Stop wasting everybody's time. People are free to come on this forum and look into a topic and make comments
They don;t have to go trying to find old threads form 10 years ago on the topic.
They are free to go to other sources, articles, books, other forums, however they want to do research and make commentary freely without being required by any rule that says they can't have the same opinion that some anonymous person made years go.
Your ego will just have to learn how to live with that and stop trying to remove people's agency and disrespecting their way of arriving at something or articulate it
No you don't play well with others and you give that same condescending tone to the questioner
you're needy and emotionally broke control freak, trying to own something un-ownable
and you are ignorant as to what plagiarism is
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Didn't read your above post. Usually pop psyches are describing themselves. Character assassination is dirty and cheap. I read what EM said in another thread. Look I cleaned up my act. What will you do?
But the series of 'plagiarisms' are too close for coincidence, all traceable to the noted threads. That's hella in tune to not be aware.
Please accept my apology IF just amazingly coincidental.
You didn't clean up your act. Just like you do the opposite of what your motto is you ignored EM. I'm trying to go about my business and ignore you but you are accusing me a plagiarism and it's a false accusation, character assassination hypocrite and you are ignorant of what plagiarism is.
Read the following carefully
People are free to go to other sources, articles, books, other forums, however they want to do research and make commentary freely without being required by any rule that says they can't have the same opinion that some anonymous person not even using their real name made years go.
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You are out your mind with hatred. There is nothing derogatory left in that post with the Rasol screenshot.
I put out the olive branch. I offered you an apology. You come back snarling. Your fixation is clear.
I remember an old saying about thrown stones and hit yelpers. Cap fit?
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: You are out your mind with hatred. There is nothing derogatory left in that post with the Rasol screenshot.
I put out the olive branch. I offered you an apology.
your comment makes no sense sequentially. You had something derogatory in that post and now you have removed it. Now you are telling me after I complained about it that you put out the olive branch trying to fool people who had not seen the old version. It's a clever trick, insult somebody, then if they insult back you delete the insult you originally made. Then the mark appears to people who had not seen the original version as if their reaction is overeaction
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You can't say I didn't try. Ok you don't wany peace fine. Fool the newbies all you want. The rest of us know just how snakey you are and how you lie.
The Rχive is full of it.
I posted the Rasol screenshot originally showing and blasting your downright plagiarism.
Again, why I softened it down? After reading elMaestro in the Ramses Smiting Libyan thread I decided to give you benefit of doubt and reworded the post.
Childishly you ramped up and attacked me personally, not just what I did, me. I only attacked your actions not your personality. And I was man enough to offer an apology you have yet to acknowledge.
You think I'm weak because I offered peace twice? Well have it your way. I will attack you personally not your actions if you persist.
Peace or not theLioness? 3rd offer. Choice is yours. Take time to think about it before making a hurried rash reply.
And remember you can't go delete all the instances of all the members who appropriately gave you two nicknames not without reason.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: You are out your mind with hatred. There is nothing derogatory left in that post with the Rasol screenshot.
I put out the olive branch. I offered you an apology.
your comment makes no sense sequentially. You had something derogatory in that post and now you have removed it. Now you are telling me after I complained about it that you put out the olive branch trying to fool people who had not seen the old version. It's a clever trick, insult somebody, then if they insult back you delete the insult you originally made. Then the mark appears to people who had not seen the original version as if their reaction is overeaction
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This will probably be my final word on this. I usually make peace with people who make peace offers. However I do not make peace with people who make accusations at the same time
Accusations are not a compatible mix with peace offerings. That is wisdom I have learned, study that for other parts of your life
To me you are not trust worthy. Every time I try re-dialog with former adversaries who approach me to re-dialog they use it as an opportunity an opening to set up a new to condescension and they do So I have learned it is wiser not to communicate at all. That is what I intend to do from this point and it was working before I advise you don't mention me or imply me an instead simply quote old posts with date where you think a point was already made and without telling people what to think can decide for themselves if it is important to them to know about such an old post and who posted it. It's that simple but you can choose to ignore that and the moderators of this forum can decide if it's appropriate or not.
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That is what I intend to do from this point and it was working before I advise you don't mention me or imply me an instead simply quote old posts with date where you think a point was already made and people can decide for themselves if it is important to them to know about such an old post and who posted it. It's that simple
ISSUE RESOLVED, NOW LETS NOT STRAY FURTHER AWAY FROM THE TOPIC AT HAND -//MODPosts: 1781 | From: New York | Registered: Jul 2016
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I'll do what the fuck I want to.
You want war you got it!
Go ahead get me banned without due process.
Until then, you fuck with me
and I will expose you more and more.
Edit: elMaestro I don't agree with your asesment posted while I composed the above but out of respect to one who desrrves it I will not do an exposè here.
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Here ya go elMaestro. Is this acceptable to you?
The idea Champollion injected Euros onto the Book of Gates Libyans was indeed considered on ES. Rasol explicitly said so in just about the same words.
That's why it's good we honor our own site enough to examinine our own Rχive, the eye opener. There are things in it found nowhere else. Things like that Champollion letter critique which challenge even other points.
Ampim wrote me that the letter Diop used was a private communique that wasn't written while the Greater was in the tombs but from memory and wasn't meant for publishing. Iirc the Lesser corrected his brother a bit for publication.
quote: Here ya go elMaestro. Is this acceptable to you?
-Yes
everything before... ehh
Prior to my post above, there was as a series of comments that had absolutely no relation to the thread topic, worthy of being deleted... like you said it would be respectful to The explorer and the topic to take the personals with no relevant context elsewhere. Feel free to open a VS. Lioness thread in Kemet.
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Maybe you newbies need a VS theLioness thread. The rest of us know the long history. Dueces ✌
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So if these texts correlate with depictions of people described a s Libyans above,
According to your theory the Egyptians didn't describe North Africans to the west in text or in art at all Everywhere in text and art we see that scholars are calling "Libyans", various tribes of Libya and so on, this is actually describing people who did not reside in North Africa or anywhere in Africa or even the Levant the Egyptians were really describing Southern Europeans
Egyptians did not use the word Libyan this is an modern translation of the Egyptian text about the Tamahu
Can you show the hieroglyphic spelling of Libu because i heard it is also ribu
(I repeat) my theory is that some of the so called "Nubians" may actually be "Libyans" and not Sudanese
why would the Nubians Nhsj(w) be Libyan and not Sudanese?
i said some not all. The nhsj(w) may actually mean any African outside of Egypt
The nehesu display African animals which are also indigenous to North Africa. this is why i believe some of them maybe north Africans and not Nubians
Egyptology are lumping them into the "Nubian" category solely because they are negroid. (this is the Sub-Saharan African theory)
so it is ribu and not libu Egyptologists made it libu to make it sound more like "libyan" to fool people who study Egyptology
The nehesu display African animals which are also indigenous to North Africa. this is why i believe some of them maybe north Africans and not Nubians
I already explained the Sahara had already gone into desertification and was not green and lush in the time periods we are talking about.
But let's say for argument's sake that at the time there in North Africa and the same animals were in Sudan so why would you think some Nhsy came from North Africa if those animal would not be exclusive to North Africa?
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The nehesu display African animals which are also indigenous to North Africa. this is why i believe some of them maybe north Africans and not Nubians
I already explained the Sahara had already gone into desertification and was not green and lush in the time periods we are talking about.
But let's say for argument's sake that at the time there in North Africa and the same animals were in Sudan so why would you think some Nhsy came from North Africa if those animal would not be exclusive to North Africa?
those animals were still found in north africa
Pliny the elder mentions an abundance of African animals in north Africa
example the lion
the nehesu could include north Africa and the Sudan
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Tamehu means north-land
WORK IN OROGRESS
Repeating misinformation doesn't make it right.
Again, let's learn a little of the language. I understand the transliteration's misleading but these are two completely different words.
Ta Mehh - marshland; Lower Egypt
Tjemehu - ethnonym; • same root as the tjemehi stone • people adjacent to '6th Dyn' Kenset (Nubia) • New Kingdom generic for any Libyan
6th Dynasty records show Tjemehu entering history alongside Lower Nubia Nehesu. The area where they live is Ta Tjemehu -- Land of the Tjemeh People. Anyone can read it in this 6th Dyn doc for themself.
Europe and the Caucasus mountains is north of Egypt
The immediate North of Egypt that is crossable is the Mid East, Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, then Greece and Turkey are near why are you jumping up to the caucus?
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
Ta means land Mehu means north
but according to what source?
North is mehety (mHty)
Temehou is TmH
the consonants are added by modern linguists. They are not in the original language
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Europe and the Caucasus mountains is north of Egypt
The immediate North of Egypt that is crossable is the Mid East, Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, then Greece and Turkey are near why are you jumping up to the caucus?
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
Ta means land Mehu means north
but according to what source?
North is mehety (mHty)
Temehou is TmH
the consonants are added by modern linguists. They are not in the original language
mhu and mht are the same (mehu and mehti) similar to km and kmt (kem and kemet)
you have norse and north both meaning the same thing or sawad and sudan are the same (meaning black)
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: Libya is west of Egypt not north of Egypt
Tamehu means north-land
Ta means land Mehu means north
Europe and the Caucasus mountains is north of Egypt
Repeating misinformation doesn't make it right.
Again, let's learn a little of the language. I understand the transliteration's misleading but these are two completely different words.
Ta Mehh - marshland; Lower Egypt
Tjemehu - ethnonym; • same root as the tjemehi stone • people adjacent to '6th Dyn' Kenset (Nubia) • New Kingdom generic for any Libyan
6th Dynasty records show Tjemehu entering history alongside Lower Nubia Nehesu. The area where they live is Ta Tjemehu -- Land of the Tjemeh People. Anyone can read it in this 6th Dyn doc for themself.
unless you have a dictionary written by an ancient Egyptian, your theory is just as good as mine.
Ta Tamehu would be equivalent to saying the "land of England" (England means land of anglos)
the nehesu could include north Africa and the Sudan
If I told you I rode an elephant you can say "lemme guess, it was in India"
but it could have been in Africa, so your guesses remain guesses, not very useful
same thing if animals are not depicted with Tamahou or Nubians Often Nubians are depicted without animals So you can't assume anything about where they come from based on animals that are not there but you imagine could have been there The Tamahou might have had a horse or it might have been a giraffe but there is no no animal in that scene so you can't make any assumption about animals
You have to bring proof to the table
You can't say this and that is not present therefore my theory is correct
and you can't say your theory is correct because I can't prove it false. I might not be able to prove five theories about something are false and yet they remain five different theories and they might all be wrong. My inability to disprove something does not prove something else
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the nehesu could include north Africa and the Sudan
If I told you I rode an elephant you can say "lemme guess, it was in India"
but it could have been in Africa, so your guesses remain guesses, not very useful
same thing if animals are not depicted with Tamahou or Nubians Often Nubians are depicted without animals So you can't assume anything about where they come from based on animals that are not there but you imagine could have been there The Tamahou might have had a horse or it might have been a giraffe but there is no no animal in that scene so you can't make any assumption about animals
You have to bring proof to the table
You can't say this and that is not present therefore my theory is correct
and you can't say your theory is correct because I can't prove it false. I might not be able to prove five theories about something are false and yet they remain five different theories and they might all be wrong. My inability to disprove something does not prove something else
it proves that what you are considering a fact is actually a theory
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: unless you have a dictionary written by an ancient Egyptian, your theory is just as good as mine.
So what source is your theory based on? According to what you say here since you didn't get it from a dictionary written by an ancient Egyptian then why even bother to post it? What difference is there in that and being completely made up at random?
So you are one of those recent fellows who thinks the Rosetta stone was never translated that "the Mdw Neter has never been translated" it's all a hoax?
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So why aren't you taking the position that there is no evidence that the Egyptians ever depicted a Libyan
This goes for many instances of things you say>
why aren't you taking the position "X" is unknown
the topic is unknown
instead you are saying they are Europeans.
If you are saying my God does not exist because I have no proof why aren't you saying "there is no proof that there is a God" ?
Instead you are saying your different God might exist but you don't have any proof either, why aren't you applying your own standard of proof to your own self's theories?
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: unless you have a dictionary written by an ancient Egyptian, your theory is just as good as mine.
So what source is your theory based on? According to what you say here since you didn't get it from a dictionary written by an ancient Egyptian then why even bother to post it? What difference is there in that and being completely made up at random?
So you are one of those recent fellows who thinks the Rosetta stone was never translated?
tamehu
ta means land according to the context of the hieroglyphs mehu or mehti means north according to the context of the hieroglyphs
im not the only historian who claim this
Notice the African animals in this photo offered as tribute
So why aren't you taking the position that there is no evidence that the Egyptians ever depicted a Libyan
This goes for many instances of things you say>
why aren't you taking the position "X" is unknown
the topic is unknown
instead you are saying they are Europeans.
If you are saying my God does not exist because I have no proof why aren't you saying "there is no proof that there is a God" ?
Instead you are saying your different God might exist but you don't have any proof either, why aren't you applying your own standard of proof to your own self's theories?
cows and sheep existed in Europe during the time of Egypt, the Tamahu wear the skins of cow and sheep
mehu or mehti means north according to the context of the hieroglyphs
im not the only historian who claim this
who else does?
You're bluffing
Champollion proves that im not bluffing
why aren't you quoting him then on the meaning of mehu then?
Are you still bluffing?
I don't post sources every single time but I do it a lot more than you, you seem to be lacking in that
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mehu or mehti means north according to the context of the hieroglyphs
im not the only historian who claim this
who else does?
You're bluffing
Champollion proves that im not bluffing
why aren't you quoting him then on the meaning of mehu then?
Are you still bluffing?
Because Champollion is not an ancient Egyptian
the point of me bringing up other historians who agree with me is to show you that this is not my own theory
where is a quote from another historian who theorizes mehu or mehti means north?
I thought maybe you had found something from the 18th century but still your pockets are empty -now entering zig zag stage
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: mehu, mehti or mehtet are all variations of the same word [/QB]
The problem is there are many many words that are similar but have different meanings, you can't just pick the one you want and then combine it to form a new word as you want. It is much more complex than that
You would have to correlate the glyph for the words you are talking about with glyphs that are next to the Libyans ( or Tamahu if you prefer)
so you are apparently compounded words to fit your own theory but are bluffing about other historians saying the same about the word as it correlates to the art on the wall with text depicting these people. How come I'm doing this when you could be >
An Egyptian Reading Book for Beginners: Being a Series of Historical ... By Sir Ernest Alfred Wallis Budge _____________________^ ^ take note of the papyrus clump mhw aka
M16 (Gardiner list) and M15 that delta plant of the North reference is not in the Temhu (Tamahu) glyph theory deaded, they were desert people not Delta people (besides the Delta is Northern Egypt not out of Africa North ! )
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You went to one Budge book to try to piece together a meaning you wanted from two words which another historian had not done But when we go to Budge once agin we see the glyph for Temhu and it is not matching these words for North
Somebody else with more knowledge on the glyphs can identify each one but we and see that they are not matching the Tamahu glyph and if they were Budge would have said so
and note how Budge is both sources, his transliteration is not meh
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