Mesolitihic Europeans all the way down into the Bronze age were various types of African migrants (Ricaut 2008, Diop 1981), and that white Europeans came into play in the region only after the second millennium BC.
Then why are you posting that stupid Yakub stuff in the other thread? You think Diop believed that childish story?
Man shut the Hell up.
In the link presented....BOBBY HEMMIT BROKE DOWN WHY CA DIOP DID NOT SPEAK ON THE YAKUB STORY..... White people are the biproduct of the black lower consciousness. You do not deal with consciousness because you don't have one. That's why you sit this thread and lie SHAMELESSLY the way that you do. Your very behavior validates the story.
Odwirafo doesn't even believe in that Yakub brown germ fairy tail that Master Fard pulled out of his hat
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Mesolitihic Europeans all the way down into the Bronze age were various types of African migrants (Ricaut 2008, Diop 1981), and that white Europeans came into play in the region only after the second millennium BC.
Then why are you posting that stupid Yakub stuff in the other thread? You think Diop believed that childish story?
Man shut the Hell up.
In the link presented....BOBBY HEMMIT BROKE DOWN WHY CA DIOP DID NOT SPEAK ON THE YAKUB STORY..... White people are the biproduct of the black lower consciousness. You do not deal with consciousness because you don't have one. That's why you sit this thread and lie SHAMELESSLY the way that you do. Your very behavior validates the story.
Odwirafo doesn't even believe in that Yakub brown germ fairy tail that Master Fard and his Pakistani self, white momma pulled out of his hat
quote:Originally posted by Rain King: Nope it's the truth
It's about as true as believing Elijah Muhammad is still alive and takes trips around the world in the mother ship
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quote:Originally posted by Rain King: the Akan and Bantu groups have already stated..."NUBIA" is the home of our people.
Show us a quote from a credible person born and living in Ghana who claims that Nubia is the home of the Akan, I'll wait
Lioness/white boy you are not a fucking authority in this discussion to demand shit to be proven to you. You have ran away from over 90% of the information presented on the last page. The history of the Akan coming from Kemet-Nubia has already been presented through multiple sources on the previous page.
Furthermore why ignore the fact the one of the leading proponents of the ackwledgement of true African history C.A. Diop is WOLOF, and he himself proposes that his people have their ancestry to Nile Valley civilization.
Linguistic Unity With Southern and Western Africa In a detailed study of languages, Diop clearly demonstrates that Ancient Egyptian, modern Coptic of Egypt and Walaf of West Africa are related, with the latter two having their origin in the former.
"Pharaonic Egyptian - Wolof; (Wolof meaning)
Aku - Aku : foreigners (Creole descendants of European traders and African wives)
anu - K.enou : pillar
atef - ate : a crown of Osiris, judge of the soul (to judge)
ba - bei : the ram-god (goat)
ben ben - ben ben : overflow, flood
bon - bon : evil
bu - bu : place
bu bon - bu bon : evil place
bu nafret - bu rafet : good place
da - da : child
Djoob - Djob : a surname
fero - fari : king
itef - itef : father
kau - kaou : elevated, above (heaven)
kem -khem : black (burnt, burnt black)
kemat - kematef : end of a period, completion, limit
khekh - khekh : to fight, to wage war, war
kher - ker : country (house)
lebou - Lebou : those at the stream, Lebou/fishermen Senegal
maat - mat : justice
mer - maar : love (passionate love)
mun - won : buttocks
nag - nag : bull (cattle)
nak - nak : ox, bull (cow)
NDam - NDam : throne
neb - ndab : float
nen - nen : place where nothing is done (nothingness)
nit - nit : citizen
Ntr - Twr : protecting god, totem
nwt - nit : fire of heaven (evening light)
o.k. - wah keh : correct, right
onef - onef : he (past tense)
ones - ones : she (past tense)
Why is this native born African doing an "American freestyle" Lioness, unless you're simply a white boy who is full of shit.
quote: Similarly ask a Nubian living in Sudan or Egypt what they think of that
You mean Arabanized Cushitic speaking populations? Don't make stupid ass assumptions about their history simply because of their contemporary locations. Taking your dumb ass/sinister imposed assumptions out of the picture, why would we need to talk to them about anything? Who in the Hell are they to tell other Africans their history?
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quote:Originally posted by Rain King: Nope it's the truth
It's about as true as believing Elijah Muhammad is still alive and takes trips around the world in the mother ship
This white boy is very offended that the wicked and UNNATURAL nature of his people is being exposed.
Teaching for King Merykara
"Speak thus concerning the barbarian: As for the wretched Asiatic, unpleasant is the place where he is (with) trouble from water, difficulty from many trees, and the roads thereof awkward by reason of mountains.
He does not dwell in one place, being driven hither and yon through want, going about [the desert] on foot. He has been fighting since the time of Horus; he never conquers, yet he is not conquered, and he does not announce a day of fighting, like a thief whom a community has driven out. But I lived, and while I existed the barbarians were as though in the walls of a fortress; [my troops] broke open [///]. I caused the Delta to smite them, I carried off their people, I took away their cattle, until the detestation of the Asiatics was against Egypt. Do not worry about him, for the Asiatic is a crocodile on his riverbank; he snatches a lonely serf, but he will never rob in the vicinity of a populous town."
"Interestingly, the ancient Egyptians recorded the Tamahu, which means created white people.
(this is part of reason why white people deny the existence of Dravidians in ancient Africa particularly Nile Valley civilization. The biological and cultural link between Typhonians/whites and Dravidians is plain as day. The story would easily fall in place with this fact well known).
Egyptian writings also refer to whites as Typhonians or People of Seth, both meaning “the devils.” After these “white devils” were first released into the Black community of the Near East 6000 years ago, they caused severe strife, thus the Africans rounded them up, stripped them of everything and exiled them to the caves and hills of the Caucasus Mountains. This explains the sudden appearance of white people in this region. To prevent their escaping Africans installed a series of guarded walls blocking all exits along that area from one sea to the other!
Thus “roping” them off (hence the word Europe). These walls have been witnessed and recorded by many European writers, including Pliny. Thus, totally cut off from civilization, the whites degenerated into uncivilized, nomadic savages. They remained this way for 2000 years until ‘Allah mercifully sent an Egyptian priest named Musa or Moses to civilize them.’
This explains the otherwise unknown reason why suddenly about 2000 B.C.E, vast hordes of these white barbarians left the Caucasus region and stormed all the (Black) centers of civilizations throughout Mesopotamia, the Near East, Africa and India, destroying and usurping them.
See all of the LYING AND DEVALUING.....that you are doing in this thread is all the proof that this ancient characterization of whites is in fact accurate. Your history is HORRIBLE and NOT COMPARABLE in shear magnitude of WICKNEDNESS to any living thing on this Earth. That's not being "mean" that telling the TRUTH.
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I see lioness is continuing to do what that account has been during since 2007. Despite reality staring right back at them. Talking about "No glyphs" like that means anything. Why would distinct cultures despite their vast similarities use something unique to the Nile Valley? it's like expecting the Sentinelese people in India to speak or write in Hindu or vice versa.
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"Finally, the last one is what we call flesh-coloured..."
"a white skin"
"a nose straight or slightly arched"
"blue eyes, blond or reddish beard"
"tall stature and very slender clad in a hairy ox-skin"
"a veritable savage tattooed on various parts of his body"
"he is called, Tamahou."
- Champollion
Well, the word Tamahou cannot be the word white, as that is a different word. The word is likely demeqe/"be bright" (ደመቀ)...
But the word demeqe also means "be loud" so I might be hesitant to conclude the word has to absolutely relate to color. Especially since the other names do not have to do with color specifically.
To contrast this with the word white in the Rosetta Stone, the word in the name of Memphis, white wall, is heCH'a (ሀጫ), which absolutely means the color white...
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quote:Originally posted by HeartofAfrica: Why would distinct cultures despite their vast similarities use something unique to the Nile Valley? it's like expecting the Sentinelese people in India to speak or write in Hindu or vice versa.
Rain King, can you answer this for HeartofAfrica. They are asking about distinct cultures
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"There can be no uncertainty about the racial identity of the man who comes next: he belongs to the Black race, designated under the general term, Nahasi." - Champollion
If these names are descriptive, then I would venture to say that Nehsi is as well, especially as describing the people in terms of the types of customers/traders they were.
So if the Tamahou are described as being bright-skinned or noisy customers, I would suggest Nehsi is actually [b]Megesha -- customers/traders who traveled some distance on an expedition to trade and do business with the Egyptians.
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Stop making stuff up. The Temehu were not white people. Sea people from Europe adopted by the Temehu, adopted the name Tamahu. The original inhabitants of the Sahara where the Kemetic civilization originated were Blacks not Berbers or Indo-European speakers. These Blacks formerly lived in the highland regions of the Fezzan and Hoggar until after 4000 BC. This ancient homeland of the Dravidians, Egyptians, Sumerians, Niger-Kordofanian-Mande and Elamite speakers is called the Fertile African Crescent. ( Anselin, 1989, p.16; Winters, 1981,1985b,1991). We call these people the Proto-Saharans (Winters 1985b,1991). The generic term for this group is Kushite. This explains the analogy between the Bafsudraalam languages outlined briefly above. These Proto-Saharans were called Ta-Seti and Tehenu by the Egyptians. Farid (1985,p.82) noted that "We can notice that the beginning of the Neolithic stage in Egypt on the edge of the Western Desert corresponds with the expansion of the Saharian Neolithic culture and the growth of its population". (emphasis that of author) The inhabitants of the Fezzan were round headed Africans. (Jelinek, 1985,p.273) The cultural characteristics of the Fezzanese were analogous to C-Group culture items and the people of Ta-Seti . The C-Group people occupied the Sudan and Fezzan regions between 3700-1300 BC (Jelinek 1985). The inhabitants of Libya were called Tmhw (Temehus). The Temehus were organized into two groups the Thnw (Tehenu) in the North and the Nhsj (Nehesy) in the South. (Diop 1986) A Tehenu personage is depicted on Amratian period pottery (Farid 1985 ,p. 84). The Tehenu wore pointed beard, phallic-sheath and feathers on their head. The Temehus are called the C-Group people by archaeologists(Jelinek, 1985; Quellec, 1985). The central Fezzan was a center of C-Group settlement. Quellec (1985, p.373) discussed in detail the presence of C-Group culture traits in the Central Fezzan along with their cattle during the middle of the Third millennium BC. The C-Group people were not white people. The Temehus or C-Group people began to settle Kush around 2200 BC. The kings of Kush had their capital at Kerma, in Dongola and a sedentary center on Sai Island. The same pottery found at Kerma is also present in Libya especially the Fezzan.
The C-Group founded the Kerma dynasty of Kush. Diop (1986, p.72) noted that the "earliest substratum of the Libyan population was a black population from the south Sahara". Kerma was first inhabited in the 4th millennium BC (Bonnet 1986). By the 2nd millennium BC Kushites at kerma were already worshippers of Amon/Amun and they used a distinctive black-and-red ware
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In my book: Nile Valley History and the Rigveda, I explain the origin of the People of the Sea and how they became recognized as Tamahu . Here is my latest video on the reality that the Nile Valley is the subject of Ancient India literature. Just click on the Video below
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During the invansion of Egypt by the people of the Sea, Europeans enter the Delta Region of Egypt. Most researchers link these "whites" to the Berbers. The whites who were part of the Sea People invansion were called the Meshwesh. Researchers link the Meshwesh to modern Berbers.
The tehenu and Meshwesh
The use of different names to describe the Tehenu and Asian in the Ramses III Table of Nations is understood in relation to the political and ethnic conditions in Egypt and Western Asia during this period. The research appears to indicate that the physiognomy of the Libyans had changed by this time .
This resulted , for the most part from the invasion of Egypt by Sea Peoples in association with the Libu (Libyans).
The figures on Ramses III Table of nations are associated with the nations Ramses was dealing with during his reign. The Libyans attacked Egypt during the 5th and 11th years of Ramses III's reign. Beginning around 1230 Sea People began to attack Egypt. In 1180 Ramses III had his decisive battle with the Libyans. Among the warriors fighting with the Libu were Sea People.
Ramses III made multiple versions of his campaigns against the Libyans. To understand the naming method for Ramses III Table of Nations you have to understand that the term Tehenu was a generic term applied to the Libyans, who by this time were mixed with Palestinian-Syrian people (who were descendants of the Gutians), and People of the Sea (Indo-Europeans).
The attack against Egypt in 1188 was a coalition of tribal groups led by the Meshwesh, who are believed to be a Tamehu nationality. As a result, we find that the Meshwesh were referred to as Tehenu\Tamehu. This may not be correct because the Meshwesh are not mention in Egyptian text until the 14th Century BC.
The members of the coalition were led by Meshesher the wr 'ruler' of the coalition.Each group was led by a "great one" or a magnate. The Meshwesh were semi-nomads that lived both in villages and dmi'w 'towns'.The Tehenu lived in the Delta between the Temehu and the Egyptians. The Egyptians referred to all of the people in this area most often by the generic tern "Tehenu".
The TjemhuTemehu which included the Meshwesh controled an area from Cyrenaica to Syria. As a result, in textual material from the reign of Ramses II, there is mention of Temehu towns in Syria. David O'Connor makes it clear that Ramses III referred to these Temehu by the term Tehenu/Tjehnyu (p.64).
The Temehu were very hostile to the Tehenu/Tjehnya. In fact, the first mention of the Meshwesh in Ramses III inscriptions relating to 1188, was the attack of the Tehenu, by the Meshwqesh, Soped and Sea People .
David O'Connor makes it clear that the the records of Ramses III make it clear that the Meshweshy "savagely" attacked the Tehenu and looted their cities during their advance to Egypt (p.35 & 105).
The coalition of the Meshweshy had each unit of the army organized into "family or tribal ' units under the leadership of a "great one". As result to understand why the Asian and Tehenu figures on the Table of Nations are identified differently you have use both the pictorical and textual material from the reign of Ramses III to understand the representations.
As a result, Palestianian -Syrian personage or figure D, is labled Tehenu because he was probably a member of one Meshwesh units, thus he was labled Tehenu.
The personage that is second from the Egyptians which is labled an Asian, eventhough he is clearly a Tehenu, was probably a member of a Syrian Palestinian unit when he was captured by the Egyptians thusly he was labled Asian. You can find out more about this reality if you check out: David O'Connor, "The nature of Tjemhu (Libyan) society in later New Kingdom; in Libya and Egypt c1300-750 BC, (Ed.) by Athony Leahy (pp.29-113), SOAS Centre of Near and Middle Eastern Studies and the Society for Libyan Studies, 1990. In the Table of Nation figure B we see the traditional depiction of a Tehenu, the sidelock, shoulder cape and clean face. The Temehu, called Meshwesh are different from the Tehenu and the original Tamehu recorded by the Egyptians prior to the New Kingdom. Below is a Meshwesh
The Meshwesh wore Tehenu traditional costumes but they are not believed to be real Tehenu. The Tehenu and the Temehu usually wore different costumes. In the New Kingdom depictions of the Temehu, the Meshwesh have "long chin beards", like the Syrian-Palestinians and Peoples of the Sea. They wear kilts, sheaths and capes open at the front tied at one shoulder. Like the earlier Tehenu they wore feathers as a sign of High Status.
David O'Connor makes it clear that there was "marked hetergeneity of the Tjemhu" (p.41). The first attack by Libyans on Egypt were led by the Libu during the 5th year of Ramses III's reign. Diop has provided convincing evidence that the Libu, later migrated into Senegal, where they presenly live near Cape Verde The difference in dress among the Meshwesh and their hostility toward the Tehenu, have led many researchers to see the Temehu of the New Kingdom as a different group from the original Temehu of Egyptian traditions. O'Connor (p.74) in the work cited above makes it clear that the Temehu in Ramses III day--"[have] hairstyles, dress and apparently ethnic type [that] are markedly different from the Tjehnyu/tjemhu of the Old Kingdom (Osing, 1980,1018-19). Various explanations have been offered: Wainwright, for example, concluded that 'Meshwesh was a mixed tribe of Libu like tribesmen with their native chiefs who become subject to a family of Tjehnu origin'(1962,p.92), while Osing suggested that the New Kingdowm Tjemhu had displaced or absorbed the earlier Tjehnyu but had selectively taken over or retained some Tjehnyu traits, in the case of the rulers for Meshwesh (1980,1019-1020). Dr. O'Connor is of the opinion "that some rulers of the later New Kingdom Tjemhu deliberately adopted traits they discovered from the Egyptians to be chracteristic of ancient Tjehnyu/Tjemhu, so as to increase there prestige, or in some way had these rtraits imposed upon them by the Egyptians" (p.74). It is my opinion that given the organiztion of the Libyans into mhwt "family or tribal groups', sometime prior to 1230 BC over an extended period of time Indo-European speaking people later to be known as Peoples of the Sea entered Western Asia and Libya and were adopted by Tehenu families. This adoption of the new immigrants by Tehenu/Tamehu probably led to the Meshwesh and Soped adopting Tehenu customs but maintaining their traditional beards,. The original Temehu, like the Libu probably saw the integration of Sea Peoples into Temehu society as a way to increase their number and possibily conquer Egypt.
It is interesting to note that the Meshwesh were very sure they might be able to conquor the Egyptians because they brought their cattle and other animals with them when they invaded the country. Moreover whereas the Meshwesh, were semi-nomadic, the Sea Peoples: Akawashu, Lukki, Tursha., Sheklesh, and Sherden remained nomadic. and used the spear and round shield. The Nehasyu were ancient members of the Tehenu/Temehu. This would explain the reason why the Meshwesh and Nehasyu were mainly bowman.
In conclusion, the names for the personages in the Table of Nations from Ramses III tomb were labled correctly. These personages were recorded in the the Tables based on the military and family units were attached too, not the country identifiable by their dress.
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"The legends designate this species as Rt-en-ne-Rme, the race of men par excellence i.e. the Egyptians." - Champollion
If Lybians/Tamahou and Nubians/Nehsi were customers/traders who arrived in Egypt from outside, the Rut were the resident ruler-class who, while from Ethiopia, in the descriptive name you can see the difference.
They were permanent residents and so the customer glyph does not appear in their name. Essentially, over the generations they had become Egyptians.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Stop making stuff up. The Temehu were not white people.
If you are talking to me, I already stated I don't believe the description "bright" for Tamahou actually related to their color, as "bright" also means "noisy" (i.e., bright/loud sound).
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The two individuals in the red boxes look completely different, but they each have the same version of what's supposed to be a name.
This reinforces what I suggested before, that these are not names, but descriptions.
In other words, any foreigners coming to trade can be referred to as Megesha (so-called Nehsi), because it means the person or people traveled to Egypt to shop.
Likewise, any group of traders can be referred to as Demeqe (so-called Tamahou), because it means the customers are noisy.
Does anybody here have any info as to why these two different individuals have the same hieroglyphic description?
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quote:Originally posted by AncientGebts: There is an issue with this one...
The two individuals in the red boxes look completely different, but they each have the same version of what's supposed to be a name.
This reinforces what I suggested before, that these are not names, but descriptions.
In other words, any foreigners coming to trade can be referred to as Megesha (so-called Nehsi), because it means the person or people traveled to Egypt to shop.
Likewise, any group of traders can be referred to as Demeqe (so-called Tamahou), because it means the customers are noisy.
Does anybody here have any info as to why these two different individuals have the same hieroglyphic description?
This is interesting. There are a few threads that have this image and we were focused on other things. I could be wrong but I don't ever recall anyone pointing this out
At top I put in the other "Asiatic" and glyphs would be expected to correspond but don't
This is the one from the lower row, Rameses III The glyph here if I am not mistaken is for the Libyans and this would be a second error in the tomb of Rameses III, Book of gates Themahu aka Tamahu aka Libyan glyph, does not belong next to an Asiatic but there it is next to one in Ramses III. I attribute this to errors of the scribes who put these glyphs with the wrong figures .
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Also note: the the glyphs above are compounded. On the actual wall each part is interspersed between each set of figures of one type (16 in all). As wee see here on the lower row form Ramses III glyphs for Libyan and Asiatic, lower figure 2 and 4 have glyphs switched
The proper Tamahu Libyan glyph spread between the figures. I think this might be from Seti I
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Okay. If each of the others' so-called names are actually descriptions, I would expect the so-called Asiatic also to have a descriptive one.
So far Aamu or Hamu (I've seen several variations) do not seem to correspond to a description I can match to.
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I suggest the so-called names Asar (Osiris), Aset (Isis) and Nebet-Het (Nephthys) are not names. Instead, I contend they are the following descriptions...
Ras/"emperor" (ራስ) Atseti/"empress" (አፄቲ) Emebet/"mother of the house" (እመቤት)
If these three are in fact not names, but important descriptions, how could common people have something more than descriptions as well?
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The only description I can think of for [vowel]+[vowel]+N or [vowel]+[vowel]+M is weyan...
weyan (ወያን) warlike (adj.) (Amarigna)
But the problem with that is neither of the two Aamu individuals are portrayed as more warlike than any of the others.
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Since some say the first letter is [A] (Aamu) and others cay the first letter is [H] (Hamu), so decided to look at other [A]+[M] hieroglyphic words.
In at least the following two cases show the [A] can in fact be an [A] (any vowel including [Y] and [W]), an [H], and even a [CH]...
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The problem isn't scribal. The artists introduced error there.
The instance swapping `amw and Tjmhhw is not a new original observation as some one claimed but full well knows better.
See threads from years ago analysing this scene of afterdeath re-animation for judgement by netjer Ausir followed by alloting years of life after death which also look into the village workers and their method for making tombs from start to finish.
The scene is not a table of nations as the AE certainly knew more than 3 nations and not a single nation is even mentioned. Table of Nations describes the list of dozens of nations in the Hebrew Book of Genesis and is best kept there.
These 4 groups of 4 reps show - centric Men of men ie Egyptians - sunrise Aamu east of Egypt ie Levantines Arabian Mesopotamians - noon Nehesu south of Egypt ie Northeast Africans - sunset Tjemehu west of Egypt ie Sahra to Mediterranean Africans
As seen this is a solar delineated order of humanity eligible for solar mythos based Osirian Ressurection.
Because th Sun is never appears directly north of Egypt there are no Hau Nebu or other north Mediterranean or European peoples included. Further proof it is not a table of nations.
The Sun's path never changes and neither does the Book of Gates text. Tomb paintings illustrate the text they don't instruct the text. Besides the artists' seeming ethnic error in places, there's also an incident of tomb wall textual error in this scene.
Sarcophagi of the period have the entire Book of Gates text inscribed on them where I've yet to see scribal error in the solar order
Error enters when moderns act like the text explains the illustrations, as if the text in the Family Bible is there only to explain the pictures.
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My background on this stems to before publicly demonstrating translating the scene on both Ta- Seti and African Classical Civilization yahoogroups nearly 20 years ago with pointers and non-jealous constructive critique from Manu Ampim.
Background allows diligent ones to go beyond merely quoting sources and offer one's own estimations of what those sources lay out.
quote:Originally posted by AncientGebts: There is an issue with this one...
The two individuals in the red boxes look completely different, but they each have the same version of what's supposed to be a name.
This reinforces what I suggested before, that these are not names, but descriptions.
In other words, any foreigners coming to trade can be referred to as Megesha (so-called Nehsi), because it means the person or people traveled to Egypt to shop.
Likewise, any group of traders can be referred to as Demeqe (so-called Tamahou), because it means the customers are noisy.
Does anybody here have any info as to why these two different individuals have the same hieroglyphic description?
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I think they are simple descriptions, each of which could apply to anyone or group of people, depending on the particular assigned description.
The indication is that along with the description there is a plural indication.
But if they came from a particular country, there would be the city listed, as there is in this example from the Papyrus of Ani's visiting dignitary list of the funeral...
Also, to assume they could not have been residents of Egypt, which was a large nation from Aswan in the south to including Israel and Jordan in the north, can be a mistake, as well. Egyptians ranged in appearance, especially like people in the USA, because its residents came from all over the ancient world.
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So above is my point, it is from a funeral and therefore since the individuals are not referenced by country name, the list is likely that of Egyptian residents/citizens -- not foreigners.
But I can see how racists can invent the idea that unless a person looks a certain way, they cannot be an Egyptian. Like these people are "walking while Egyptians" and deserve to be targeted as not belonging in the area.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Can we bring this back to the topic please
Sure. Diffusion of ancient Egyptian culture.
Writing is Culture So-called, Ancient South Arabian script, which should actually be called Ancient Ethiopian script, since it was first found in today's Eritrea (formerly part of Ethiopia)...
Ancient South Arabian script "The Ancient South Arabian script... branched from the Proto-Sinaitic script in about the 9th century BCE."
"It was used for writing..."
"Ethiopic language Ge'ez in Dʿmt"
"Old South Arabian languages Sabaic"
"Qatabanic"
"Hadramautic"
"Minaean"
"The earliest inscriptions in the script date to the 9th century BCE in the Northern Red Sea Region, Eritrea."
Diodorus Siculus wrote that Ethiopians were the founders and rulers of ancient Egypt and that ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs were Ethiopian...
"They say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris having been the leader of the colony. And the larger part of the customs of the Egyptians are, they hold, Ethiopian, the colonists still preserving their ancient manners." Diodorus, book 3, 3:1 https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/3A*.html
"… the shapes of their statues and the forms of their letters are Ethiopian; for of the two kinds of writing which the Egyptians have, that which is known as "popular" (demotic) is learned by everyone, while that which is called "sacred" is understood only by the priests of the Egyptians, who learn it from their fathers as one of the things which are not divulged, but among the Ethiopians everyone uses these forms of letters… the Ethiopian writing which is called hieroglyphic among the Egyptians." Diodorus, book 3, 3:4-5, 4:1 http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/3A*.html
So, it makes sense that towards the end of the ancient Egyptian civilization, a form of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic writing was discovered in Ethiopia.
What other African culture has a direct form of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic writing?
And for anybody who wants to claim that all of Africa was considered Ethiopia," if that is so true, why then wasn't Egypt considered Ethiopia?
Diodorus makes clear where the Ethiopia he was referring to was...
Nearly 85% of all the water that flows to Egypt begins in Ethiopia, making Ethiopia the source of the Nile.
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Thank you for the gift.
Having read tomb and sarcophagi versions to compare and contrast for similarities I'm familiar with others translations. I translated the introductory text of The Gate of Teka Hra that the painting was made to illustrate for myself and posted it here on ES. Will see what Hornig wrote after my translation was posted.
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Nice. Sarcophagus repro of Gate of Teka Hra between pgs 135/6. Note bottom register from right to left for full text and illustrative vignette.
Columns 2 3 & 4 first IDs blacks and reds. Columns 11-25 secondly IDs Egyptians, their immediate neighbors, a word play on each one's ethnonym, and their engendering tutelary netjer.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Thank you for the gift.
Having read tomb and sarcophagi versions to compare and contrast for similarities I'm familiar with others translations. I translated the introductory text that the painting was made to illustrate for myself and posted it here on ES.
Look on the book's pages 158 through 163 for the translation, which you can retranslate in your own method.
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My retranslation of section 1 of the Papyrus of Ani...
quote:Originally posted by SlimJim: how do you post pics?
or below the message box instead of "Add Reply" hit the "Full Reply Form Button" and pic IMAGE button, other options there also
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I have finished re-translating the 30th scene from "Book of Gates," which supposedly records various foreign nationalities by name. I did the re-translation hoping to gain some insight into the so-called nationalities.
There were not any ground-breaking revelations concerning the so-called nationalities, and I still do not translate them as foreign nationalities by name.
But the ancient text does become more clear, just typical funeral writing and instructions for the painted scenes.
The so-called nationalities merely appear to be various types of ancient Egyptian groups...
The Egyptian ruling class
Egyptian citizens
Visitors who happened to be in Egypt for business and trade
Visitors who came to Egypt specifically for the funeral
The text reads basically as follows...
Address from the Governor to the Egyptian royalty, travelers to Egypt for the funeral, customers, and the crowd of other Egyptian funeral attendees.
I, governor and protector of the Egyptian farms and ranches, bring morning to the Egyptian Tisha (Yafo, Dead Sea farming region of Lower Egypt) [with its] produce and cattle to see the burial [of the deceased] in the tomb complex [designed and constructed by a] great Egyptian architect.
Bring the deceased who has been mummified by those embalmers, who will leave us wrapped in cotton. The deceased's wife, the empress, welcomes gifts from the Egyptian royal guests, which will be painted in this scene.
The Nile River by which our great customers have arrived in Egypt, I will have painted in this scene.
Those noble women farmers here in the Tisha, who fairly conduct trade of their produce, will be included in this painted scene with us travelers to this funeral.
As we send away the deceased from our sight, this large funeral crowd will be painted in this scene.
The wife of the deceased who we're burying, she has brought what she wants placed in the tomb with him.
I have contacted them for permission to reprint, after which, if they provide me permission, I will provide a link here to the PDF edition of my retranslation.
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Now while I've ALWAYS maintained that some of the Cushitic speaking populations were apart of the ancient Kemetic, are you honestly saying that the contemporary Ethiopians are the closest culturally and linguistically to ancient Kemet?
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quote:Originally posted by Rain King: [QUOTE]Originally posted by AncientGebts: [qb]Now while I've ALWAYS maintained that some of the Cushitic speaking populations were apart of the ancient Kemetic, are you honestly saying that the contemporary Ethiopians are the closest culturally and linguistically to ancient Kemet?
Yes, as far as I've seen over 10 years and 23 books I've published.
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quote:Originally posted by Rain King: [QUOTE]Originally posted by AncientGebts: [qb]Now while I've ALWAYS maintained that some of the Cushitic speaking populations were apart of the ancient Kemetic, are you honestly saying that the contemporary Ethiopians are the closest culturally and linguistically to ancient Kemet?
Yes, as far as I've seen over 10 years and 23 books I've published.
You and Ausar Imhotep should debate. He ascertained throught the comparative method that ancient Kemetic was a Bantu language. Dr. Winters believes that ancient Kemetic was a Lingua Franca among various distinct African groups/languages.
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quote:Originally posted by Rain King: You and Ausar Imhotep should debate. He ascertained throught the comparative method that ancient Kemetic was a Bantu language. Dr. Winters believes that ancient Kemetic was a Lingua Franca among various distinct African groups/languages.
I've known Asaur for a long time, since I published my first book maybe shortly prior to that. We used to discuss things on Yahoo Messenger back then.
But he an I do not see eye-to-eye, so I don't debate with him because his research is too important, the way he links African languages together.
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quote:Originally posted by Rain King: [qb]You and Ausar Imhotep should debate. He ascertained throught the comparative method that ancient Kemetic was a Bantu language. Dr. Winters believes that ancient Kemetic was a Lingua Franca among various distinct African groups/languages.
I've known Asaur for a long time, since I published my first book maybe shortly prior to that. We used to discuss things on Yahoo Messenger back then.
Now that's interesting. In one of his recent videos he completely DEMOLISHED the concept of ancient Kemeict being related to so called "Afro-Asiatic" languages, and he even CHALLENEGED anybody to find a Cushitic language (among other listed) that have correlation to ancient Kemetic via the comparative method. He points to the superficial relationships (look alikes) being forged as authentic by Western academics.
There is is entirely TOO MUCH evidence wide ranging at that pointing to the Bantu being the heart of the ancient Kemetic civilization. Some Cushitic groups like the Oromo (whose name like many other NC speakers actually has translative meaning in Medu Neter)
quote:But he an I do not see eye-to-eye, so I don't debate with him because his research is too important, the way he links African languages together.
That's koo bra, but that Hamitic Hypothesis WILL DIE lol just fyi. If you want to point to relationships of East Africans that's koo, but that centuries old "only the Hamites are related" is gonna get you tossed out of the ring.
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I publish books not for people interested in Egypt, but instead for libraries. Because people, even those with PhDs are naturally going to resist my findings.
Only years, long after I'm dead and gone, will my work be able to be seriously evaluated by distant generations in the future. People who are not being strangled by today's status quo.
So my books are in major universities around the world. I don't publish for the money.
And by the way, though he may regret it now, but you can find that Asaur quoted me in one of his books. But what he quoted has never been publicly refuted by any scholar.
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