quote:Originally posted by Doug M: You have to understand that "Jesus Christ" is a symbol of the life force, the sun/solar cycle/life/death/regeneration, the word/logos.
that would have to be supported by quotes from the New Testament.
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The "Messiah" is a foreshadowed and prophesied savior archetype in the Tanakh/Old Testament.
quote:Daniel 7:9 ... As I looked, thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took his seat; his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool ; his throne was fiery flames; its wheels were burning fire
this imagery is repeated in the last book of the New Testament
quote:Revelation 1:14, NIV: "The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire."
The Messiah "Shiloh" is prophesied to come from the tribe of Judah
quote:Jacob Blesses His Sons Judah is a young lion—my son, you return from the prey. Like a lion he crouches and lies down; like a lioness, who dares to rouse him? The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the staff from between his feet, until Shiloh comes and the allegiance of the nations is his.
quote:Genesis 49:12 His eyes shall be red with wine and his teeth white with milk/QUOTE]
Revelation 1:15 [QUOTE]His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
The Messiah had to be of the Tribe of Judah a Son of David which is why his lineage is given in Matthew...
And there you will see that there are 3 or 4 black women in his lineage..
Whether Jesus was a real person is not the issue, whether he is a mythological archetype of a solar god is not the issue...
The issue is can we read the text and understand what the foreshadowing and predictions of the messiah means and what was expected? If I read an Agatha Christie Novel what was my comprehension and can I recount the plot? What was the description of the butler? Ignore the Italian/French/English depictions of Jesus they have nothing to do with the plot... it was a recasting... kinda like Warner Bros recasting Superman as Black...
RED EYE & WHITE TEETH...
now ya'll know this means black african people..
And not least... the image of Pop Mechanics mock up of Jesus does have resemblance to a Bantu Zulu King
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To this day, Jewish people do not see Jesus Christ as the prophesied messiah. And as such he was killed in the Bible.
But again, I said that as an archetype "the Christ" could be anybody and therefore you will find various depictions in the ancient world. So I am not ruling out the idea of a brown skinned Jesus Christ either in prophecy or literally in the flesh.
quote: Jesus is the central figure of Christianity, believed by Christians to be the messiah, the son of God and the second person in the Trinity.
But what do Jews believe about Jesus?
For some Jews, the name alone is nearly synonymous with pogroms and Crusades, charges of deicide and centuries of Christian anti-Semitism. Other Jews, recently, have come to regard him as a Jewish teacher. This does not mean, however, that they believe, as Christians do, that he was raised from the dead or was the messiah.
Just one example of the solar symbolism is the Chi Rho cross:
quote: In a memoir of the Roman emperor that Eusebius wrote after Constantine's death (On the Life of Constantine, circa 337–339), a miraculous appearance is said to have come in Gaul long before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. In this later version, the Roman emperor had been pondering the misfortunes that befell commanders who invoked the help of many different gods, and decided to seek divine aid in the forthcoming battle from the One God. At noon, Constantine saw a cross of light imposed over the sun. Attached to it, in Greek characters, was the saying "Τούτῳ Νίκα!" (“In this sign you will conquer!”). Not only Constantine, but the whole army saw the miracle. That night, Christ appeared to the Roman emperor in a dream and told him to make a replica of the sign he had seen in the sky, which would be a sure defence in battle.
Because of this origin Christianity as the official religion of Rome, images of Christ Panocrator with a Halo and the Chi Rho Cross were common in the early Church and Eastern Church. Quite often these images were found in the tops of domes within Churches....
Much of this solar symbolism is inherited from Apollo of Rome and the halo from the Nile Valley traditions of the sun disk over or behind a deities head.
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Whatever can be said about the Christian Messiah should never be confused for the Jewish Messiah. One is Greek the other is Hebrew.
Jews don't see "Jesus Christ" or any other Jesus as any kind of mashiahh. The are hundreds of messiahs. Cyrus was a messiah. Messiah just means anointed one. Nor do Jews recognize Greek writings as applicable to or furtherance of the concepts of Hebrews whose canonical compositions are in what Israels spoke, the African language family tongues Hebrew and Aramaic.
Y*sha`yahu (Isaiah) 45:1
כֹּה־אָמַ֣ר ___ So says יְהוָה֮ _____ the Eternal לִמְשִׁיחוֹ֮ ___ to His messiah לְכ֣וֹרֶשׁ ____ to Cyrus מָשִׁיחַ (n-m) heb
anointed, anointed one
of the Messiah, Messianic prince
of the king of Israel
of the high priest of Israel
of Cyrus
of the patriarchs as anointed kings
Jews and Judaism are distinct from Christians and Christianity. Jews are a people with a national historic homeland. Christians are a religious group neither an ethnicity nor a nation or nationality.
Judaism and the Hebrew scriptures stand alone and complete within and by themselves. Christianity needs the Hebrew scriptures and have not accurately quoted references to Hebrew scripture.
Most abominable in Hebrew theology is the Eternal impregnating a female. The mythological Great Flood is considered punishment for angelic beings having sex with women and girls to produce "demi-gods" whom the Eternal wiped out for interspecies sex, a dire happenstance incurring a death penalty for animal and human if convicted. Interspecies breeding prohibition applies animal-animal, plant- plant, and animal-plant, i.e., producing hybrids, or trans-seeding fields/gardens, or intertwining wool and linen (kil'ayim).
Islam (creation of a Semitic speaking people known in Hebrew scripture as 'cousins' to Israels and Edoms) makes the supreme being concept plain and clear: He neither begets nor is begotten. Indo-European speakers are quite familiar with gods knocking up even married women. Christianity compromises with that, having a mangod emerge from a betrothed woman.
HaMashiahh is profusely explained in Maimon's Mishneh Torah in the Book of Kings and their Wars for any who really want to learn how Jews view and what is expected from The Messiah in Jewish eschatology.
Just as abominable is drinking blood. Dietary law prohibits consumption of blood to the point of salting and soaking red meat to try and remove the last vestiges of blood. Need I add that human is not a kasher species to serve on the supper table and the gran majority of humanity finds cannibalism repulsive.
The Solar Mythos hero in Jewish scripture is Shimshon (Samson), just look up the name's meaning then this
as good an introduction to Shimshon as a solar zodiac myth though not where I first learned about it. Probably Dr Ben.
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Ausir/Ausar/Osiris was slain and resurrected to become the Judge of the dead in the Tuat where the Solar Barge moves in the night hours. This god while dead, hacked to pieces, and penectomied is made to sire a son Hor/Heru/Horus from bird form Auset/Isis his divine sister-wife's immaculate conception. Auset is the first Madonna, afaik. Egyptian solar mythos seems a basis for parts of Sun mythology detectable in Christianity.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: You have to understand that "Jesus Christ" is a symbol of the life force, the sun/solar cycle/life/death/regeneration, the word/logos. None of these are "human" characteristics as opposed to characteristics of nature and the physical universe. And as such ancient cultures separated these as attributes of divine origin in their cosmologies. However, later groups like the Greeks and Romans syncretized many of these ideas into all encompassing entities such as Serapis, which took on the appearance of the idealized man. And from that some would say came the prototype of Jesus. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter the outward appearance of the human used to represent it, as opposed to understanding the symbol it represents. And this is where the early Christian church had so many problems with priests from older cultures who were against the idea of a "flesh and blood" Jesus Christ as it removed the underlying meaning behind the figure. But either way, there are various images of Christ from the ancient and modern world where some are black, some are Asian and some are European, because the figure is supposed to be an archetype. That said given the historical description of Jesus and where he lived it makes sense that his skin complexion could have been much darker.
Throughout the years I have seen and read many explanations, and this is just one of them.
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