The Fulani of Nigeria seem to resemble East African Somali's in looks. What do the experts on Egyptsearch can tell us about this People? Are they SSA(a designation I detest!)? I believe that there are many types of Africans, all over Africa, and this sharp distinction between Nord and South of the Sahara is non-sense.
Posted by Alive-(What Box) (Member # 10819) on :
Both North and West Africa likely received PN2 lineages well before the split[, between E1b1a and E1b1b], before which, East vs. West Africa didn't really matter in terms of the people there.
Drier areas will have an impact on a long-time population's phenetic variation as will more tropical climates.
Posted by rasol (Member # 4592) on :
^ Yes. The Fulani are descendant of the holocene [wet] saharans, based on cultural artifact and cave drawings.
Posted by Red,White, and Blue + Christian (Member # 10893) on :
There was a boy from my childhood whose face was identical to this. Strange!
Posted by Alive-(What Box) (Member # 10819) on :
Me too - two people actually.
In most West African groups I've seen, I see alot of familiar faces, some strikingly so.
quote:Both North and West Africa likely received PN2 lineages well before the split[, between E1b1a and E1b1before which, East vs. West Africa didn't really matter in terms of the people there.
And to add to that: if Fulani "resemble East Africans" it only reinforces the insignificance of the E1b1b/East- vs E1b1a/West- Africans dichotomy from a genetic standpoint; E1b1a/E3a is found primarily in West Africa South of the Sahara as opposed to E3b which is East African and E3b2 which is common in North Africa - and Fulani have as much E3a as anyone.
Further debasing the E1b1a/E3a/West vs E1b1b/E3b/East apartheid.
Lineage =/= phenotype Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Dear friends, keep it real and use as much normal language, so normal people can participate. Can somebody post a glossary for some of the more scary jargon you use here? And please do not start hurling insults, post after post, because it makes it hard to follow the story. Some of us REALLY, REALLY are here to learn.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
Fulani do have some North African/West Asian mtDNA from trade with Tuareg traders. In those times daughters were a part of a man's ability to recover from debt. Even today a man may fall into debt and have to sell a daughter. Also, in Mali there is a problem with 'so called' White slavery to this day.
Posted by Mmmkay (Member # 10013) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Fulani do have some North African/West Asian mtDNA from trade with Tuareg traders. In those times daughters were a part of a man's ability to recover from debt. Even today a man may fall into debt and have to sell a daughter. Also, in Mali there is a problem with 'so called' White slavery to this day.
^ What in the hell are you talking about?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Fulani mtDNA is about as West African as their y-chromosomal DNA which is about 100% E3a. As for North Africans themselves like Tuareg there is nil West Asian female lineages especially considering that Tuareg are matrilineal and therefore do not usually marry women from other groups, and they definitely do not sell their daughters off as property!! Yes there was white slavery in that women and even some men from Europe were sold as slaves by and to other Muslims, but that is a different story. No doubt Osirion is still espousing the same nonsense that North African mt lineage U6 is West Asian (Hebrew LOL) despite all evidence to the contrary that it is indigenous. Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
Fulani do NOT look like East Africans to me. Fulani population looks Fulani. They dont need to 'match' anyone. Africa is no limited in looks in ANY region.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Of course. But I believe the thread author simply meant they looked similar to [some] East Africans in that they had narrow faces and noses. There are East Africans with broad features similar to 'typical' West Africans as well. The point is that narrow features like broad features are not associated with one locality or other at all, but are native throughout the African continent!
Posted by Boofer (Member # 15638) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Fulani mtDNA is about as West African as their y-chromosomal DNA which is about 100% E3a. As for North Africans themselves like Tuareg there is nil West Asian female lineages especially considering that Tuareg are matrilineal and therefore do not usually marry women from other groups, and they definitely do not sell their daughters off as property!! Yes there was white slavery in that women and even some men from Europe were sold as slaves by and to other Muslims, but that is a different story. No doubt Osirion is still espousing the same nonsense that North African mt lineage U6 is West Asian (Hebrew LOL) despite all evidence to the contrary that it is indigenous.
Well, Fulani groups have about 8.1% West Asian/North African influence (west eurasian and North African are grouped together). edit: this is mtdna i'm talking about by the way.
quote:In addition, it is worth noting that 15 sequences (8.1%) of North African/Eurasian origin (U5, V, J1b, and one sequence corresponding to the Cambridge Reference Sequence) occurred.
Somebody who is well read in genetics should read this, because the same study also mentions that fulani groups have 79.6% haplogroups of West African Origin. This still leaves 12.3% of the total left. Where do the remaining haplotypes come from? Elsewhere in Africa? What do you guys think?
Also, I haven't read any y dna studies on the fulani, but I do recall hearing about T haplotypes being found to a relatively significant degree in the fulani population. Is this true?
Posted by Boofer (Member # 15638) on :
This woman does not look East African imo. She looks more like a pretty West African than anything.
Posted by rasol (Member # 4592) on :
Which is why argument by selective photo is useless.
And yes, there are native women in East Africa - including Ethiopia and Sudan who look like the above.
Posted by Obatala's Revenge (Member # 11484) on :
^ Those lips are very common among Ethiopian chicks.
Wonder full lips. Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Fulani do have some North African/West Asian mtDNA from trade with Tuareg traders. In those times daughters were a part of a man's ability to recover from debt. Even today a man may fall into debt and have to sell a daughter. Also, in Mali there is a problem with 'so called' White slavery to this day.
Are you aware that humans carry similar genes that are found in other places than their own? There are Africans who show 8$, 6%, 10% etc... of genes that are common in Nords. Does that make them mixed with Nords? NOooooooooooo! African-Americans have genes that are common to Western Europe as low as 10% to as great as 50% or even 60%. They are still Black people and the mixture doesn't account for their immediate family chair. Do you know Don Cheadle has 20% of genes that is common in Western Europe. Why don't you focus on Eastern Europeans who are not "true whites" and mix with other races. What about your Italians and Spaniards.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by astenb: Fulani do NOT look like East Africans to me. Fulani population looks Fulani. They dont need to 'match' anyone. Africa is no limited in looks in ANY region.
Thanks. What are these people talking about. Fulanis look like Fulanis. I don't see anything East African about these people. They look like every other Fulani throught the Sahara.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boofer:
This woman does not look East African imo. She looks more like a pretty West African than anything.
Thanks. This woman DO NOT look East African. She looks straight up like a Fulani who could have came from anywhere from the Sahara.
Posted by Explorateur (Member # 14778) on :
The heading of this topic is a joke, and it bespeaks of its author's never having set foot in west Africa, and quite very likely, anywhere in Africa.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: Did you actually read my quote? I'm not entirely ignorant about these matters, you know? I see that your thread on this was in 2005. Quess what, I joined just a few months ago. It's like school, the teacher has to teach the same stuff year in year out. But do watch the anger you display here, it cannot possibly be about this. You might have issues in your private life which spill out here. Please try to show a little more breeding, decorum and humor. Please!
quote:Originally posted by Explorateur: The topic [plus link] heading below:
The Fulani of Nigeria seem to resemble East African Somali's in looks. What do the experts on Egyptsearch can tell us about this People? Are they SSA(a designation I detest!)? I believe that there are many types of Africans, all over Africa, and this sharp distinction between Nord and South of the Sahara is non-sense.
^...make one thing very clear about the said topic, and why it serves as a pristine example of what this thread had been initiated to tackle: that the heading of the topic [aka THE FULANI RESEMBLE EAST AFRICANS] is a joke, and it bespeaks of its author's never having set foot in west Africa, and quite very likely, anywhere in Africa.
Bottom line: Read and learn what the introductory notes here are relaying!
quote:Originally posted by Explorateur: The heading of this topic is a joke, and it bespeaks of its author's never having set foot in west Africa, and quite very likely, anywhere in Africa.
I'm not entirely ignorant about these matters, you know?
Why then do you write ignorant things which suggest that you are?
quote:Egmond Codfried writes:
I see that your thread on this was in 2005. Quess what, I joined just a few months ago.
By which, I take it that you presume that you are to be given a free-hand to display ignorance about Africans?
quote:Egmond Codfried:
It's like school, the teacher has to teach the same stuff year in year out. But do watch the anger you display here, it cannot possibly be about this. You might have issues in your private life which spill out here. Please try to show a little more breeding, decorum and humor. Please!
I'll be happy to examine why you think something is wrong with people who correct your ignorance, as opposed to yourself for making that very strange assessment about corrective action.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
CITIFIED BLACK TRASH ON THE LOOSE. IS THIS ANOTHER GODDAM DJEHUTI CLONE? I POST AS I DAMN WELL PLEASE!
Posted by Explorateur (Member # 14778) on :
This Codfried something must be on some very strong dope. Just about anyone who sets his/her ignorant ass straight is presumed to be "Djehuti". You need help, kid!
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
THE WADABE ARE A SUB-NATION TO THE FULANI
Posted by rasol (Member # 4592) on :
quote:Originally posted by Explorateur: The heading of this topic is a joke, and it bespeaks of its author's never having set foot in west Africa, and quite very likely, anywhere in Africa.
that's the pity of it.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Young peul girl in Mali tattooing her mouth with needles and henna. Mouth tattoos are very common among the peul / fulani. It is practiced since the puberty of the girls and is restricted to the bottom part of the lip. When the woman is married, the upper part is also tattooed in black. Nowadays it is considered as ornaments, a touch of beauty and a sign of belonging. One of the theories to explain the practice is common for many other African tribes: the tattoo was used to deter slavers looking for unblemished girls.
The Fulanis women are tattooed of black on the edge of the mouth. This tattoo is practiced since the puberty for the girls; it is restricted to the bottom part of the lip but, when the woman is married, it must spread to the whole edge.
Mali, June 2008
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
THE FULANI ARE ALSO CALLED PEUL IN WOLOF LANGUAGE
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boofer:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Fulani mtDNA is about as West African as their y-chromosomal DNA which is about 100% E3a. As for North Africans themselves like Tuareg there is nil West Asian female lineages especially considering that Tuareg are matrilineal and therefore do not usually marry women from other groups, and they definitely do not sell their daughters off as property!! Yes there was white slavery in that women and even some men from Europe were sold as slaves by and to other Muslims, but that is a different story. No doubt Osirion is still espousing the same nonsense that North African mt lineage U6 is West Asian (Hebrew LOL) despite all evidence to the contrary that it is indigenous.
Well, Fulani groups have about 8.1% West Asian/North African influence (west eurasian and North African are grouped together). edit: this is mtdna i'm talking about by the way.
quote:In addition, it is worth noting that 15 sequences (8.1%) of North African/Eurasian origin (U5, V, J1b, and one sequence corresponding to the Cambridge Reference Sequence) occurred.
Somebody who is well read in genetics should read this, because the same study also mentions that fulani groups have 79.6% haplogroups of West African Origin. This still leaves 12.3% of the total left. Where do the remaining haplotypes come from? Elsewhere in Africa? What do you guys think?
Also, I haven't read any y dna studies on the fulani, but I do recall hearing about T haplotypes being found to a relatively significant degree in the fulani population. Is this true?
Djehuti said most fulanis do not have any outside admixture.
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Fulani do have some North African/West Asian mtDNA from trade with Tuareg traders. In those times daughters were a part of a man's ability to recover from debt. Even today a man may fall into debt and have to sell a daughter. Also, in Mali there is a problem with 'so called' White slavery to this day.
Are you aware that humans carry similar genes that are found in other places than their own? There are Africans who show 8$, 6%, 10% etc... of genes that are common in Nords. Does that make them mixed with Nords? NOooooooooooo! African-Americans have genes that are common to Western Europe as low as 10% to as great as 50% or even 60%. They are still Black people and the mixture doesn't account for their immediate family chair. Do you know Don Cheadle has 20% of genes that is common in Western Europe. Why don't you focus on Eastern Europeans who are not "true whites" and mix with other races. What about your Italians and Spaniards.
and there african american or black americans that do not have any other admixture at all as well.
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
ha ha ha heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Now Powder is claiming Don Cheadle. LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!
Bettyboo the white boy wrote: ------------------------------------------- There are Africans who show 8$, 6%, 10% etc... of genes that are common in Nords. Does that make them mixed with Nords? NOooooooooooo! African-Americans have genes that are common to Western Europe as low as 10% to as great as 50% or even 60%. They are still Black people and the mixture doesn't account for their immediate family chair. Do you know Don Cheadle has 20% of genes that is common in Western Europe. -------------------------------------------
We deal with facts and evidence on this forum white boy.
We want detailed evidence not your race fantasy from that show on PBS that has already been discredited on this forum.
Anyone notice they never claim any African American who is in prison. LOL : )
Get famous, look good, rich, become a civil rights leader, or anything else positive and Frosty puts on his ski mask and goes on a theft spree.
hahahahahaaahahaahahahahahahah
Posted by Boofer (Member # 15638) on :
The Wodaabe actually consider the pointy, longer nose more attractive. That's why the men paint the yellow stripe down their noses; to make it seem even more narrow/pointy.
Posted by Boofer (Member # 15638) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Fulani mtDNA is about as West African as their y-chromosomal DNA which is about 100% E3a. As for North Africans themselves like Tuareg there is nil West Asian female lineages especially considering that Tuareg are matrilineal and therefore do not usually marry women from other groups, and they definitely do not sell their daughters off as property!! Yes there was white slavery in that women and even some men from Europe were sold as slaves by and to other Muslims, but that is a different story. No doubt Osirion is still espousing the same nonsense that North African mt lineage U6 is West Asian (Hebrew LOL) despite all evidence to the contrary that it is indigenous.
It would help if you provided studies that would show that the taureg have few west Asian haplotypes. I'm guessing that "West Asian" in your opinion does not include the lineages that have went outside of africa and came back to northern Africa, do you? I don't claim to be well read in genetics, but isn't it true that North African mtdna shows back migrations from Asia to Africa? Certain haplogroups that developed in Asia came back and then changed some more, correct? So which ones in Northern Africa are considered North African, and which are considered Western Asian?
Also, as I've mentioned, I read about there being haplogroup T in Fulani populations, which shows back migration in prehistoric times as well.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by kenndo:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Fulani do have some North African/West Asian mtDNA from trade with Tuareg traders. In those times daughters were a part of a man's ability to recover from debt. Even today a man may fall into debt and have to sell a daughter. Also, in Mali there is a problem with 'so called' White slavery to this day.
Are you aware that humans carry similar genes that are found in other places than their own? There are Africans who show 8%, 6%, 10% etc... of genes that are common in Nords. Does that make them mixed with Nords? NOooooooooooo! African-Americans have genes that are common to Western Europe as low as 10% to as great as 50% or even 60%. They are still Black people and the mixture doesn't account for their immediate family tree. Do you know Don Cheadle has 20% of genes that is common in Western Europe. Why don't you focus on Eastern Europeans who are not "true whites" and mix with other races. What about your Italians and Spaniards.
and there african american or black americans that do not have any other admixture at all as well.
What about it? Sharing genes that are common amongst another group doesn't mean it is an admixture. I gave the example with Africans. All humans carry genes that are more common in other groups with or without admixture.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: ha ha ha heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Now Powder is claiming Don Cheadle. LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!
Bettyboo the white boy wrote:
What are you talking about. Negate anything I said. Don Cheadle have an estimated 20% DNA that is more common amongst Western Europeans. That is a hard core fact! That doesn't change the fact that he is Black and you can see how black he looks! Fvck off with trying to claim the Fulani as a "mix" people with their minute 8% asiatic blood. I'm certain that 8% was found in less than a 10th of the population. And it doesn't mean they are mix. You're a fvcking idiot.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boofer: The Wodaabe actually consider the pointy, longer nose more attractive. That's why the men paint the yellow stripe down their noses; to make it seem even more narrow/pointy.
Painting a stripe down your nose will not make it appear more narrow/pointy.
Posted by Explorateur (Member # 14778) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boofer:
The Wodaabe actually consider the pointy, longer nose more attractive. That's why the men paint the yellow stripe down their noses; to make it seem even more narrow/pointy.
Source for this, not hearsay or yourself, would be...?
Posted by Explorateur (Member # 14778) on :
Somebody who is well read in genetics should read this, because the same study also mentions that fulani groups have 79.6% haplogroups of West African Origin. This still leaves 12.3% of the total left.
You ought to know what that supposed 12.3% is, if you had read the study in question in its *entirety*. And why is that important at any rate?
Posted by Boofer (Member # 15638) on :
quote:Originally posted by Explorateur:
quote:Originally posted by Boofer:
The Wodaabe actually consider the pointy, longer nose more attractive. That's why the men paint the yellow stripe down their noses; to make it seem even more narrow/pointy.
Source for this, not hearsay or yourself, would be...?
I actually saw it on the national geographic channel. I found a clip from the episode on youtube, but it didn't show the part where they mentioned it. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to. I remember being surprised by that fact, which is probably why it stuck with me.
Posted by Boofer (Member # 15638) on :
Somebody who is well read in genetics should read this, because the same study also mentions that fulani groups have 79.6% haplogroups of West African Origin. This still leaves 12.3% of the total left.
You ought to know what that supposed 12.3% is, if you had read the study in question in its *entirety*. And why is that important at any rate?
I read the study, but as I said, all of the technical lingo goes over my head because i'm not well read in genetics. Either way, I did not see where they mentioned the remainder, which is why I supplied a link and asked other people to. I was interested in whether it suggested admixture from outside of africa or not. I'm guessing not, by the way.
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
I would adminsiter a scholarly beatdown. But why bother? Its not like the more intelligent people of the group don't know that you're a white boy with subminimal intellect. : )
Posted by Explorateur (Member # 14778) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boofer:
I actually saw it on the national geographic channel. I found a clip from the episode on youtube, but it didn't show the part where they mentioned it. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to. I remember being surprised by that fact, which is probably why it stuck with me.
From what you understand, was the National Geographic folks interviewing an actual Fulbe, as one who hasn't been living in the so-called "West" and who told them this idea on camera?
quote:Originally posted by Boofer:
I read the study, but as I said, all of the technical lingo goes over my head because i'm not well read in genetics. Either way, I did not see where they mentioned the remainder, which is why I supplied a link and asked other people to. I was interested in whether it suggested admixture from outside of africa or not. I'm guessing not, by the way.
Given what was available from your link, including the mention of the 79.6% markers of West African origin, and the other 8.1% suggestive of coastal northwest African ancestry, it would appear that the remaining 12.3% of the sample were either "Pan-African" or "non-West African-specific" African markers.
It is interesting how Eurocentrists and their stooges are always flabbergasted by autochthonous African physical diversity, to the point of both nurturing an unhealthy obsessive fixation over and coming up with fantastic rationalizations to explain away any in loco sub-Saharan African phenotypic manifestation that just does not seem to squeeze fittingly into their *forced* imaginary ideologically-preconceived compartmentalizations of this region, even when science busting such myths is simply too overwhelming, as is in the case of the non-questionable west African origins of the Fulani. This is why we get Eurocentric-stooges who start topics with headings like the one we have right here, and which is why, despite overwhelming science to the contrary and the myths having long since been busted, that Eurocentrists *adamantly/religously* insist on seeing things like say, "thin nose", as something that cannot possibly be natural to Africa. To them, for such things to be natural about Africa, defies all logic accessible *to them*, which should naturally tell the rest of us objective and intellectual "normies" that this logic is very constricted in its scope.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Dear Boofer,
I do not know you, nor did I read your postings elsewhere, but I think there is nothing wrong with you asking questions in this thread. So I want to thank you. It good that you keep your cool and you don't descend to the level of this obvious madman. Just remember that white people came out of Blacks and they are actually Black people with white skin. So there is really now difference between White and Black. White's and some Blacks are brainwashed to think this way.
The slight differences in looks and DNA between Africans can be interesting when we are going to write the history of Blacks. As you might have read, I research Blacks and Coloureds in Europe who were a elite (1500-1789. Eurocentrism claims they were White's, because they do not look like Idi Amin or Kofi Annan or Nelson Mandela. Bullsh*t offcourse!
My home is in The Netherlands where there can never be an Obama-like phenomena. Blacks are to the Dutch: 'Ugly, Stupid, Criminal, Horny, Large dicked, Lazy Negroes, Teenage whores, Rapist, and Junkies’ etc and the only successful ones are all houseniggers. Usually criminals, con-artist, stupid people who are used by their white masters to steal, betray and ridicule Blacks like me, who dare to contradict eurocentricity. A site like this could not be possible in Holland. The So-called Surinam site waterkant.net is completely taken over by the AIVD, Dutch CIA, and their Black houseniggers like Djehuti and Ricardo, the Reverend Pimp. They are present here with multiple nicks and insult away.
Somebody who is well read in genetics should read this, because the same study also mentions that fulani groups have 79.6% haplogroups of West African Origin. This still leaves 12.3% of the total left.
You ought to know what that supposed 12.3% is, if you had read the study in question in its *entirety*. And why is that important at any rate?
I read the study, but as I said, all of the technical lingo goes over my head because i'm not well read in genetics. Either way, I did not see where they mentioned the remainder, which is why I supplied a link and asked other people to. I was interested in whether it suggested admixture from outside of africa or not. I'm guessing not, by the way.
Posted by Explorateur (Member # 14778) on :
Eurocentric-suckered Cuntfried senselessly ranting...again. Any other news? The fact that it is you who is fucked in the head by your Eurocentric masta is pretty obvious from the heading of your topic, and yet, here you are thinking that it is others who are screwed up. The irony!
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
As I just pointed out that both Djehuti and the Reverend Pimp are HOUSENIGGERS! Both are con-artist, but the second one pimps out Black boys too for his White pedophile masters. Here he poses as a Yoruba, passing out Yoruba recipies, but just like Djehuti who wants to be an American, is a shitty Surinam criminal.
quote:Originally posted by Explorateur: Eurocentric-suckered Cuntfried senselessly ranting...again. Any other news? The fact that it is you who is fucked in the head by your Eurocentric masta is pretty obvious from the heading of your topic, and yet, here you are thinking that it is others who are screwed up. The irony!
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Peul(Fulani) mother and daughter from Guinea.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Peul(Fulani) mother and daughter from Guinea.
Lamin, dear, thank you for this posting. This thread was started to show that the whole SSA business is NONSENSE. Perhaps we should get in the OBAMA-SPIRIT on this forum as well and ignore disrespectful and hateful postings. I have this lil' ole thread THE ENEMY OF THE NEGRO IS THE NEGRO HIMSELF, and this point is driven home right on this very forum. With some housenigger Blacks using many nicks at the same time, responding to their own threads.
quote:Originally posted by Boofer: The Wodaabe actually consider the pointy, longer nose more attractive. That's why the men paint the yellow stripe down their noses; to make it seem even more narrow/pointy.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
Wadabe, Niger.
A VALID REMARK, WHICH REMINDS ME OF COON'S; THE RACES OF EUROPE: Peoples will use headgear or shave their hair in a certain way to emphasise their natural features.
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
To the best of my knowledge the stripe is to enhance the length of the nose, not to make it narrower or pointier.
The Wodaabe, though socially shunned by other Fulani are in fact recognized by other Fulani as the archetype of Fulani physioal and facial type. So there's no reason why a people who have long noses shouldn't laud it and desire their children to have it and take even artificial measures to procure it in their babies.
I suspect the New World blacks who pinch and pull their infants noses are displaying a Fulani carry over and are not aspiring to emulate the European nose type.
Posted by Alive-(What Box) (Member # 10819) on :
^Well, since someone sane/real is comenting on the stripe thing, might as well add to this:
quote:Next up was John Ledyard, who came to the attention of the association when he was arrested and expelled from Russia for apparently trying to walk to Canada without the proper permits -- this seemed the right sort of spirit. Ledyard, however, perished in Cairo before he ever got to the desert, apparently of an overdose of self-prescribed medications. Next the association hired an Irish major called Daniel Houghton, who duly set off up the Gambia. There he was promptly robbed by a Mande ruler, inflicting a wound on himself when his gun misfired. He kept going but was never heard from again.
Finally, the association hired a young ship's surgeon called Mungo Park. He had some pretensions to being a naturalist (his treatise Eight Small Fishes from the Coast of Sumatra had commended him to the Linnaean Society), and he claimed some linguistic ability (he had apparently picked up some Mande while staying with a trade mission on the Gambia River). He offered his services to the African Association in 1793, and his offer was accepted. His task, he said in his Travels, was "to pass on to the Niger and ... to ascertain its course and, if possible, the rise and termination of that river," as well as "to visit the principal towns in the neighborhood, particularly Timbuktoo and Houssa." (Shabeni had described "Houssa" or "Hausa" as a city "as large as London, with a palace whose walls were eight miles long," though he didn't have a clue where it actually was; it was probably Kano.)
Park seemed to get on well with the Africans he met, though he was subjected to a good deal of suspicion and, in some cases, bewilderment. The women of a Fulani king, he reported, "rallied me with a good deal of gaeity in different subjects, particularly upon the whiteness of my skin and the prominency of my nose. They insisted that both were artificial. The first, they said, was produced when I was an infant, by dipping me in milk; and they insisted that my nose had been pinched ever day, till it had acquired its present unsightly and unnatural configuration." As David Mountfield pointed out, "Park was himself no mean hand at this kind of raillery ... at one of his worst moments, when a captive of the Moors, he agreed to their demand that he should prove himself to be uncircumcised provided he was allowed to demonstrate the fact to the pretties girl present."
His relations with the Tuareg were very different. With them, he bristled with hostility. It is difficult now to sort out fault. He was convinced they were simply barbarians. "It is sufficient to observe that the rudeness, ferocity and fanaticism which distinguished the Moors from the rest of mankind found here a proper subject on which distinguished the Moors from the rest of mankind found here a proper suject on which to exercise their propensities. I was a stranger, I was unprotected, and I was a Christian; each of these circumstances is sufficient to drive ever spark of humanity from the heart of a Moor, but when all of them, as in my case, were combined in the same person, and teh suspicion prevailed that I had come into their country as a spy [all these italics are Parks's own], the readers will easily imagine that in such a situation, I had everthing to fear."
But there is another side to the story. Later explorers discovered that the locals were as little fond of Park as he had been of them. [...]
The rest is very entertaining
From: Timbuktu: The Sahara's Fabled City of Gold by Marq De Villiers & Sheila Hirtle
It's a nice read.
Posted by DevilNegrokiller_Wolofi (Member # 15898) on :
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: To the best of my knowledge the stripe is to enhance the length of the nose, not to make it narrower or pointier.
The Wodaabe, though socially shunned by other Fulani are in fact recognized by other Fulani as the archetype of Fulani physioal and facial type. So there's no reason why a people who have long noses shouldn't laud it and desire their children to have it and take even artificial measures to procure it in their babies.
I suspect the New World blacks who pinch and pull their infants noses are displaying a Fulani carry over and are not aspiring to emulate the European nose type.
That's a ridiculous claim. Afro Americans do that to make the nose straighter to seem more European. They have no "carry" over from Africa.
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
alTakruri wrote:
quote: I suspect the New World blacks who pinch and pull their infants noses are displaying a Fulani carry over and are not aspiring to emulate the European nose type.
Where the f**k did your fake jew ass pull this s--- from? Just another one of you deranged fantasies about African Americans that you dreamed up.
Your dumb ass better stick to pretending you're a jew. The closest your ass ever gets to a barmitzfa is when your banquet staffing agency hires you out as a server at a jewish wedding reception.
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
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Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by Boofer: The Wodaabe actually consider the pointy, longer nose more attractive. That's why the men paint the yellow stripe down their noses; to make it seem even more narrow/pointy.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
Wadabe, Niger.
A VALID REMARK, WHICH REMINDS ME OF COON'S; THE RACES OF EUROPE: Peoples will use headgear or shave their hair in a certain way to emphasise their natural features.
This is utter nonsense. You will have to explain the stripe down the chin and the circles of the cheeks near the eye. The stripe begins with the forehead. The stripe down their nose has nothing to do with a pointy/narrower nose. If you look at the chin the stripe is a continuation of the stripe that begins at the forehead and end at the chin. If the fulani want their nose to appear narrow/pointy then they don't need to paint a line down the forehead or the chin. Now you have to explain the stripe of the forehead and chin and the circles of the eyes/cheeks.
Posted by Boofer (Member # 15638) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by Boofer: The Wodaabe actually consider the pointy, longer nose more attractive. That's why the men paint the yellow stripe down their noses; to make it seem even more narrow/pointy.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
Wadabe, Niger.
A VALID REMARK, WHICH REMINDS ME OF COON'S; THE RACES OF EUROPE: Peoples will use headgear or shave their hair in a certain way to emphasise their natural features.
This is utter nonsense. You will have to explain the stripe down the chin and the circles of the cheeks near the eye. The stripe begins with the forehead. The stripe down their nose has nothing to do with a pointy/narrower nose. If you look at the chin the stripe is a continuation of the stripe that begins at the forehead and end at the chin. If the fulani want their nose to appear narrow/pointy then they don't need to paint a line down the forehead or the chin. Now you have to explain the stripe of the forehead and chin and the circles of the eyes/cheeks.
I can't explain it. There are a couple things wrong whith your asking me, particularly:
1. I am not an expert on the wodaabe.
2. I mentioned that I recalled this from memory, from watching a television show.
3. I specifically said "to make it seem like it's narrower" in reference to their using the yellow stripe. A poster mentioned that it was actually to make the nose look longer. As I said, I don't recall exactly, but I could have sworn they also mentioned "narrower" as well.
4. Not all cultural rituals are easily understood by folks outside of that culture. I can't explain why a stripe would narrow the nose. I admit though, that I can imagine it would give some what of an illusion of a longer nose... In the same way that painted black lips would give the illusion of whiter teeth.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Boofer, just drop the fake act! We know who you are!
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boofer:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by Boofer: The Wodaabe actually consider the pointy, longer nose more attractive. That's why the men paint the yellow stripe down their noses; to make it seem even more narrow/pointy.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
Wadabe, Niger.
A VALID REMARK, WHICH REMINDS ME OF COON'S; THE RACES OF EUROPE: Peoples will use headgear or shave their hair in a certain way to emphasise their natural features.
This is utter nonsense. You will have to explain the stripe down the chin and the circles of the cheeks near the eye. The stripe begins with the forehead. The stripe down their nose has nothing to do with a pointy/narrower nose. If you look at the chin the stripe is a continuation of the stripe that begins at the forehead and end at the chin. If the fulani want their nose to appear narrow/pointy then they don't need to paint a line down the forehead or the chin. Now you have to explain the stripe of the forehead and chin and the circles of the eyes/cheeks.
I can't explain it. There are a couple things wrong whith your asking me, particularly:
1. I am not an expert on the wodaabe.
2. I mentioned that I recalled this from memory, from watching a television show.
3. I specifically said "to make it seem like it's narrower" in reference to their using the yellow stripe. A poster mentioned that it was actually to make the nose look longer. As I said, I don't recall exactly, but I could have sworn they also mentioned "narrower" as well.
4. Not all cultural rituals are easily understood by folks outside of that culture. I can't explain why a stripe would narrow the nose. I admit though, that I can imagine it would give some what of an illusion of a longer nose... In the same way that painted black lips would give the illusion of whiter teeth.
Boofer, you don't need to explain it. It was a rhetorical question. My point is, whoever came up with the 'idea' or 'conclusion' that the stripe down the "nose" is the sole purpose of it appearing narrow/pointy is deluded. I was explaining that the stripe is not about the nose because it begins at the forehead and continue until the face ends which is at the base of the chin. If it was about the nose, the Fulani would have just painted a yellow stripe down their nose. They didn't and don't do that. The stripe is at the tip of the forehead and ends at the base of the chin. The so-called scholars need to explain that. They will have to explain the line of the forehead and chin. And it is not because the Fulani want their forehead and chin to look narrow/pointy. The circling near the eyes would have to be explained. The yellowing of the whole face would have to be explained. People are just fascinated by their good looks because it is somewhat different from Bantus and West Africans. The most concentrated features of Bantus and West Africans is the hair and width of the nose. This is why the Fulani features are always cited, especially the nose. The contrast between their nose and that of other West Africans or Bantu groups is not on the Fulani's mind. It is on everyone else's mind. Trust me, the stripe of the nose has nothing to do with taking pride in their 'acceptable' beauty, in this case is their so-called pointy/narrow nose.
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
Look man we all know that you have pink blisters on your dick so just give it up. You've been on here for 4 years trying to pull the same schtick.
Will you get some ointment so you can go on with your life?
Posted by Boofer (Member # 15638) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: Boofer, just drop the fake act! We know who you are!
Who am I?
Posted by Please call me MIDOGBE (Member # 9216) on :
A similar practice is found among Gen (aka Mina) of Togo/Benin, where it is part of a larger custom including care of the arm, penis, calf, etc.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: To the best of my knowledge the stripe is to enhance the length of the nose, not to make it narrower or pointier.
The Wodaabe, though socially shunned by other Fulani are in fact recognized by other Fulani as the archetype of Fulani physioal and facial type. So there's no reason why a people who have long noses shouldn't laud it and desire their children to have it and take even artificial measures to procure it in their babies.
I suspect the New World blacks who pinch and pull their infants noses are displaying a Fulani carry over and are not aspiring to emulate the European nose type.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
There is something unusual with the man on the left: he looks very white of skin. I immediately thought of a Wodaabe man who might have lived in Europe, married a white woman, but brought his mixed son to Africa to learn his African roots.
This also shows that identity is more important then looks. It's not that because off-spring which might look ‘white’ would move away from the black family to live with the white's. I rather believe they would marry a suitable darker coloured partner to upgrade the blue blood or black blood in their off-spring.
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
The pictured man's skin is lightened with 'makeup' as part of the dance ceremony in which he's participating.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: The pictured man's skin is lightened with 'makeup' as part of the dance ceremony in which he's participating.
Are you sure? His back also looks white. But anyway, what would a mulatto Fulani look like? Reckon he could be looking very European or very Classical African, because not all Fulani have 'European' features. But some look quite light skinned, without a European parent. Berber, maybe?
Take the time to familiarize to the Geerewol preparations to see WoDaabe men preen them selves a prize winning appearance and you may come to share my assurance.
I don't personally know the man in the picture and so can't say definitely what his biological lineage actually is. What I can say is that, of all the Fulani, the WoDaabe are the ones who are the most homogeneous. So much so that the rumor goes they resulted from an incestuous union. Thus their name as a people of taboo.
The looks of a quadroon Fulani may be seen in one French general by the name of Alfred Dodds, I believe. You can find another pic of him in Rogers' Sex and Race.
To answer your question I'd say Dodds Euro-Fulani mix looks decidedly like a certain kind of 'Berber,' at least in the above image.
Dodds paternal grandmother was Peuhl Dodds paternal grandfather was English Dodds maternal grandmother was Senegalese Dodds maternal grandfather was French
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote: I don't personally know the man in the picture and so can't say definitely what his biological lineage actually is. What I can say is that, of all the Fulani, the WoDaabe are the ones who are the most homogeneous. So much so that the rumor goes they resulted from an incestuous union. Thus their name as a people of taboo.
Then if they are homogenous they might be all West African. Those myths are just colourful but confirm nothing. I remember something about the Somali’s where Diop said they are not mixed with Indians as some might think, but are wholly African. Just like the Berbers are no immigrants from Europe. Somebody once told me that there are Sudani’s who are light skinned but not from mixing with Europeans. Perhaps not all albinos have made it out of Africa, became a fixed race and mixed with blacks. Africa seems to have the highest rate of albinism compared to the rest of the world. Wonderful how nature anticipated climatic conditions where there would be a need for white skin. My newspaper writes a alarming report of the worsening of albino killing in Tanzania and a heart wrenching photo of a mother with her beautiful albino boy. Now if whites are a fixed albino race, as I believe, then whites are really blacks with white skin. Alfred Dodds reminds me of my Blue blood is Black blood research where autochthonous European black blood gets mixed with fresh African blood. Many black European wanted to remain black and married black. The portraits are whitened, with so much black blood converging he cannot possibly have looked like this.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Alfred Amédéé Dodds (1842-1922), French General
Alfred-Amédée Dodds From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Alfred-Amédée Dodds 6 February 1842 – 18 July 1922
Gen. Alfred-Amédée Dodds on the cover of L'Illustration, 20 May 1893. Place of birth Saint-Louis, Senegal Place of death Paris, France Allegiance France Service/branch French Army Years of service 1862-1907 Rank General de division Battles/wars Franco-Prussian War Sino-French War Second Franco-Dahomean War Alfred-Amédée Dodds (6 February 1842 - 18 July 1922) was a French General, commander of French forces in Sénégal from 1890, commander of French forces in the second expeditionary force to suppress The Boxer Rebellion, and commander of French forces during the Second Franco-Dahomean War. As both an octoroon and a metis, he was famed in the African Diaspora at the beginning of the Twentieth century as an example of African leadership, despite the fact that he led the destruction of one of West Africa's most powerful pre-colonial states.
Il sera joint au portrait une notice biographique du personnage
Alfred Amédée Dodds, né à Saint-Louis du Sénégal le 6 février 1842 et mort à Paris le 18 juillet 1922, est un général français métis anglo-franco-sénégalais, commandant supérieur des troupes françaises au Sénégal à partir de 1890.
En 1892-1894, ce général métis mena la conquête du Dahomey (actuel Bénin) sur Béhanzin 1er. Proche des radicaux français, Alfred Dodds dut sa nomination comme chef d'expédition à l'intervention personnelle de Clemenceau, nomination qui entraîna la démission du ministre de la Marine Godefroy Cavaignac.
Sorti de Saint-Cyr en 1862, il est lieutenant d'infanterie de marine en 1867. En poste à La Réunion, il se distingue durant les émeutes de 1868.
Devenu capitaine en décembre 1869, il se distingue durant la guerre de 1870 à Bazeilles et il est fait chevalier de la Légion d'honneur. Il s'évade après la capitulation de Sedan et rejoint l'armée de la Loire puis celle de l'Est. Il est interné en Suisse à la fin de la guerre.
Il est en poste au Sénégal de 1871 à 1878, puis en Cochinchine de 1878 à 1879. Chef de bataillon au Sénégal en 1879, il participe aux opérations de la Casamance entre 1879 et 1883. Lieutenant colonel en 1883, il participe aux opérations dans le delta du Tonkin. Colonel en 1887, il pacifie le Fouta Djalon en Guinée. Il est fait commandeur de la Légion d'honneur en 1891. Il prend le commandement du 8e colonial à Toulon, puis il est nommé commandant supérieur au Bénin en 1892 et dirige la campagne du Dahomey.
Général de brigade en 1892, inspecteur des troupes de marine et grand officier de la Légion d'honneur, il reçoit en 1895 le commandement supérieur des troupes en Indochine.
Il est général de division en 1899. De 1903 à 1907, il est commandant supérieur des troupes de marine. Il est membre du Conseil supérieur de la guerre, grand-croix de la Légion d'honneur, Médaille militaire (1907).
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Sorry, my images are turned off when I visit this site. I have no time for childish, unprofessionalism. It is the reason why this site is no longer looked at as a viable and trusted resource. Real scholars stick to posting facts and not pre-teen adolesent pictures.
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