quote:Originally posted by the lioness: So far, as we can see from people's postings here, Egypt was multi-racial Pharaohs and Peasants.
It seems that there were even different depictions of the same person. But it is quite clear that there was more than one ethnic group involved.
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Gee buddy for a non-participant you sure post here a lot. Who are you trying to jive with your John Bullshit, yourself? You're fooling you. Everybody else sees clear through you.
This thread shows beyond a doubt a few sprinkles of salt among droves of dark skinned native African Egyptians and nary a scene of a group of foreign white naturalized Egyptians.
There aren't even enough whites to pose for a group portrait.
Pray tell, why is that?
So its quite plain who's doing the cherry picking, Eurocentrics pushing their silly imaginary non-black Egypt agenda.
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quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: ^^^ Can you explain to me wherein lies the blackness of the above?
Do you mean Hatnofer? Next time please be specific. As for his features, Hatnofer has a protruding wide mouth and a flat nose. Black features are usually defined by protrusion in the mouth area and their relatively flat noses.
quote: Also why a black civilization would represent its goddesses thus? VVV
You should be asking yourself why they shouldn't represent their Goddesses as such? Who are you, a man living in the 21st century to question a population on how they should represent their Goddesses? From what i know, Yellow was used on their skin color to signify Gold because it was believed to be the flesh of the Gods.
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In fact why don't we start a companion thread that first of all lists all the pharoahs in chonological order, as much as possible, and then post images of each one, again maintaining chronological order and only of native dynasties up to Neferkare of Dynasty 23. I suggest using the king list in Baines & Malek.
quote:Originally posted by adrianne: "Originally posted by the lioness: So far, as we can see from people's postings here, Egypt was multi-racial Pharaohs and Peasants.
It seems that there were even different depictions of the same person. But it is quite clear that there was more than one ethnic group involved. "
thats like saying greece was a multi national nation just because their were blacks there?
show us pharoahs from the dynastic dynasty 1-3 that dont look like black africans
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quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: ^^^ Can you explain to me wherein lies the blackness of the above?
Do you mean Hatnofer? Next time please be specific. As for his features, Hatnofer has a protruding wide mouth and a flat nose. Black features are usually defined by protrusion in the mouth area and their relatively flat noses.
quote: Also why a black civilization would represent its goddesses thus? VVV
You should be asking yourself why they shouldn't represent their Goddesses as such? Who are you, a man living in the 21st century to question a population on how they should represent their Goddesses? From what i know, Yellow was used on their skin color to signify Gold because it was believed to be the flesh of the Gods.
Hatnofer does not have a protruding mouth or a flat nose. You're seeing what you want to see.
As for goddesses, what is yellow about this?
Which set of people do the Egyptian goddesses most resemble, Egyptian Copts or black Sudanese?
quote:It seems that there were even different depictions of the same person. But it is quite clear that there was more than one ethnic group involved.
How stupid are you? I mean really. I have asked you over 5 times now any evidence to suggest significant non-African gene flow during state formation to support your claim that they were mixed. FIVE TIMES. What makes you confused with race and variation to think that they are synonymous?
quote:Not that I'm condescending to take part in this thread....
Al Takuri is right man. You do post an awful lot for someone who isn't participating.
Let it be known, Rahotep is unable to think for himself. He is a sock puppet of phoenician7
More images:
Mentuhotep II:
Nefertiti
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"In fact why don't we start a companion thread that first of all lists all the pharoahs in chonological order, as much as possible, and then post images of each one, again maintaining chronological order and only of native dynasties up to Neferkare of Dynasty 23."
yes lets do that' the caucasian,mixed egyptian supporters WILL NOT attempt this as their belief system will be destroyed before their eyes.
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quote:Originally posted by adrianne: alkaturi saya
"In fact why don't we start a companion thread that first of all lists all the pharoahs in chonological order, as much as possible, and then post images of each one, again maintaining chronological order and only of native dynasties up to Neferkare of Dynasty 23."
yes lets do that' the caucasian,mixed egyptian supporters WILL NOT attempt this as their belief system will be destroyed before their eyes.
Yes, please do start the thread.
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quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': [QB] [QUOTE]It seems that there were even different depictions of the same person. But it is quite clear that there was more than one ethnic group involved.
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How stupid are you? I mean really. I have asked you over 5 times now any evidence to suggest significant non-African gene flow during state formation to support your claim that they were mixed. FIVE TIMES. What makes you confused with race and variation to think that they are synonymous? [QUOTE]
I suppose you think the light coloring of this predynastic mummy was spray painted on the body?
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"In fact why don't we start a companion thread that first of all lists all the pharoahs in chonological order, as much as possible, and then post images of each one, again maintaining chronological order and only of native dynasties up to Neferkare of Dynasty 23."
yes lets do that' the caucasian,mixed egyptian supporters WILL NOT attempt this as their belief system will be destroyed before their eyes
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One of two mummies found in Libya. Carbon 14 dated to 6000 years old. Oldest mummies ever found. As can be seen, it doesn't appear to be that of a typical black woman.
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"I suppose you think the light coloring of this predynastic mummy was spray painted on the body?"
simple girl/rahotep/confirming truth/etc logic
if white mummy found in egypt means whites helped built egypt
if black mummy found in levant/mesoptamia/greece means blacks DID NOT build help these civilizatins/countys
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"One of two mummies found in Libya. Carbon 14 dated to 6000 years old. Oldest mummies ever found. As can be seen, it doesn't appear to be that of a typical black woman."
the mummys found in libya are known as the black mummy, and was identified as such
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quote:Originally posted by adrianne: "One of two mummies found in Libya. Carbon 14 dated to 6000 years old. Oldest mummies ever found. As can be seen, it doesn't appear to be that of a typical black woman."
the mummys found in libya are known as the black mummy, and was identified as such
No, you obviously have your mummy confused with two other mummies carbon 14 dated to being at least 600 years older than the Uan Muhuggiag mummy. One of which I have provided a picture of.
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Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation(Paperback) by Barry Kemp (Author) Publisher: Routledge; 2 edition (December 12, 2005) p.54
"Moving to the opposite geographic extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty(Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile Valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans"
By contrast an excavated set of around 300 burials from Tell el-Dab'a in the northeast delta belonging to a group considered to be Palestinian immigrants living in the late Middle Kingdom/Second Intermediate Period (1750 BC-1550 BC) have physical characteristics which group them more closely with ancient populations from the Near East and at a greater distance from those from Elephantine, although male and female characteristics also show differences"
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: So far, as we can see from people's postings here, Egypt was multi-racial Pharaohs and Peasants.
It seems that there were even different depictions of the same person. But it is quite clear that there was more than one ethnic group involved.
How about you show us as described by al-Takruri below:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: This thread shows beyond a doubt a few sprinkles of salt among droves of dark skinned native African Egyptians and nary a scene of a group of foreign white naturalized Egyptians. Pray tell, why is that?
How about it? Present the bolded to the forum. Thank you.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: So far, as we can see from people's postings here, Egypt was multi-racial Pharaohs and Peasants.
It seems that there were even different depictions of the same person. But it is quite clear that there was more than one ethnic group involved.
How about you show us as described by al-Takruri below:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: This thread shows beyond a doubt a few sprinkles of salt among droves of dark skinned native African Egyptians and nary a scene of a group of foreign white naturalized Egyptians. Pray tell, why is that?
How about it? Present the bolded to the forum. Thank you.
What do you mean? You want a group photo of white people? How's this one below? I don't know if they could have been called lilly white, but they sure look alot closer to white than sub-saharan black.
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^ The images above are too obscure to be considered black or white.
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quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: ]What do you mean? You want a group photo of white people? How's this one below? I don't know if they could have been called lilly white, but they sure look alot closer to white than sub-saharan black.
Please spare me the highly ignorant "sub-saharan" black talk. Unless of course you want to display that you truly don't have a clue when it comes to said "blacks", then be my guest.
There are numberous hand carved scenes of daily life which contain 5 to 15 figures of obviously dark-skinned people. I'm sure you've seen them. Are there any like that contained 5 to 15 figures of pale people? If they were so numerous or very high in number, I'm sure they exist in that AE tradition of artwork. If not, why not?
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^Indeed... black and white aren't determined by facial features but by skin tone. The only reason people like Simple Girl and Rahotep will associated black people with broad facial features is because they can see that the majority of the ancient Egyptians have dark skin. Even using their logic of black being synonymous with broad features, there would still be a large amount of "black people"
@ Simple Girl
The last image I posted has unpainted portions per the source.
the other ones still have traces of dark paint. Aside perhaps from Shuroy's wife.
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quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: ]What do you mean? You want a group photo of white people? How's this one below? I don't know if they could have been called lilly white, but they sure look alot closer to white than sub-saharan black.
Please spare me the highly ignorant "sub-saharan" black talk. Unless of course you want to display that you truly don't have a clue when it comes to said "blacks", then be my guest.
There are numberous hand carved scenes of daily life which contain 5 to 15 figures of obviously dark-skinned people. I'm sure you've seen them.
And do you know who these people represent?
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quote:Originally posted by DaDumb1_01: This is another typical statement from the 'black Egypt' possy. Pale Egyptian images are faded, dark ones are never allowed to be grimey or darkened with age (as for example happens with cedarwood). Never an explanation for why the hair is still black and the lips still red...
Darkening with age usually happens to WOOD! The vast majority of portraits are stone and it is a scientific fact that paint fades away with time especially if covered with sand! And anyone with eyes can see that most of the paint in the shabti above is faded with only a few traces on the legs!
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Not that I'm getting involved...
Of course not. You wouldn't want to appear dumber than you really are by suggesting Egyptians were into the modern Goth style especially since they didn't have pale skin to begin with.
quote: Yes but we had a cetain bozo claiming that the Nefertari tomb portrait was faded and the colour of the blushing cheek was residue of colour that had once covered the whole figure, until a dozen other images all with blushing cheeks were shown. My point is that the 'fading' claim is a typical excuse we hear from black egypt advocates.
LOL No doubt I'm the "bozo" you're referring to! Apparently you forgot to explain to me how the remnants of darker paint could be "blush" it is not only found on the cheek, but the chin, nose, and even arms. If this was an indication of realistic ruddiness or redness of her skin, one would think she suffered from a skin disorder like psoriasis or something.
Also what about sections of her tomb where the paint is best preserved??
I suppose here she has a really deep tan. LOL
quote:Not that I'm getting involved.
Of course not, because you know you would be humiliated as you are in practically every other thread. Posts: 26349 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by A Simpleton: Woman making beer from the 5th dynasty:
Yes and notice she is topless like women in many African societies. Also notice the color of her upper body is not the same as the darker coloring of her leg.
quote:I suppose you think the light coloring of this predynastic mummy was spray painted on the body?
And I suppose you think a human's skin retains its original color, texture, and every other characteristic thousands of years after death in a dried out condition.
If that's the case then I suppose Tut was really this black when he was alive..
Meanwhile his mother must have been gray in color.
quote: One of two mummies found in Libya. Carbon 14 dated to 6000 years old. Oldest mummies ever found. As can be seen, it doesn't appear to be that of a typical black woman.
And you think it looks like a white woman?? Do you really think white people were living in Libya or any part North Africa 6,000 years ago but not black people who are indigenous??! LOL
quote: What do you mean? You want a group photo of white people? How's this one below? I don't know if they could have been called lilly white, but they sure look alot closer to white than sub-saharan black.
So you consider limestone statues ---some of whom were obviously painted with dark colors which have faded away-- to be indicative of "white" people?!
And is there no reason why I call you a Simpleton?? LMAOPosts: 26349 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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^^^^ Poor Simple Girl is desperate at this point..LOL...Notice 80% of what she posts is unpainted or faded...LOL.
As the Gaul says Ive got plenty of images with full groups of people with Dark Skin, Ish posted plenty of Images of Large groups with Dark Skin...Simpl Girl has to resort to Unpainted statues..
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: ^^^^ Poor Simple Girl is desperate at this point..LOL...Notice 80% of what she posts is unpainted or faded...LOL.
As the Gaul says Ive got plenty of images with full groups of people with Dark Skin, Ish posted plenty of Images of Large groups with Dark Skin...Simpl Girl has to resort to Unpainted statues..
Tell us who these groups of people you are talking about represent.
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^^^^ what kind of stupid question is that..?? who the f-k do you think. Im not going to dignify that with a response.. Post these large groups of Eurasians or STFU. Stop resorting to fallacy logic and get the posting.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: ^^^^ what kind of stupid question is that..?? who the f-k do you think. Im not going to dignify that with a response.. Post these large groups of Eurasians or STFU. Stop resorting to fallacy logic and get the posting.
What's the matter? Why can't you tell us who these people are?
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quote:What do you mean? You want a group photo of white people? How's this one below? I don't know if they could have been called lilly white, but they sure look alot closer to white than sub-saharan black.
You must be blind or mentally ill. The latter makes far much more sense.
You do realize that you can still make out original painting on some of those images, right? The others were probably never painted at all.
I have posted some images, along with a vase majority by Ish Gebor and Siptah and Jari. The vast majority are dark skinned. Almost none of the images you posted are painted or they are faded which is apparent given the discolored look they have.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: ^^^^ what kind of stupid question is that..?? who the f-k do you think. Im not going to dignify that with a response.. Post these large groups of Eurasians or STFU. Stop resorting to fallacy logic and get the posting.
What's the matter? Why can't you tell us who these people are?
^^^^ Post the images of Eurasians, Im not going to follow your stupid ass in some Circular Reasoning All Around the Mulberry bush argument.
Post Large Groups of Eurasians or STFU..
Here is a good image of a Eurasian...post a large group like this..
Failure to do so will prove your desperation and numerous attempts to introduce a Red Herring fallacy Argument.
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quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': You must be blind or mentally ill. The latter makes far much more sense.
You do realize that you can still make out original painting on some of those images, right? The others were probably never painted at all.
I have posted some images, along with a vase majority by Ish Gebor and Siptah and Jari. The vast majority are dark skinned. Almost none of the images you posted are painted or they are faded which is apparent given the discolored look they have.
You are talking about the same person who thinks the complexion of a mummy's skin is the exact same as when the person was alive. LOL
And is there a wonder why I call her a Simpleton??
quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: ^^^^ Post the images of Eurasians, Im not going to follow your stupid ass in some Circular Reasoning All Around the Mulberry bush argument.
Post Large Groups of Eurasians or STFU..
Here is a good image of a Eurasian...post a large group like this..
Failure to do so will prove your desperation and numerous attempts to introduce a Red Herring fallacy Argument.
That portrait of a seemingly pale man was discussed before in a thread started by Takruri. There is actually no evidence that the man was even Eurasian. It was a popular trend during the period of that portrait to use gold or yellowish golden color on mummy masks. No doubt the hue was slightly darker and a little more yellowish at one time.
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