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There's no denying that some Egyptians, ancient and modern, have somethign about them reminiscent of other North-East Africans, but there is little or nothing about them that resembles central/West Africans, or the Nehesi negroes painted by the ancient Egyptians. They look more like Indians than negroids.
Carabooz the mid-tones on the 3d objects (the skin of the living people) are the same as the flat-filled flesh areas of the paintigs. They are the same colour and you are being ridiculous to say otherwise.
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quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': ^I'm not seeing that those Egyptians have the same skin tone as the depictions. Their skin tone looks more like the color of the wall. I consider it wishful thinking on your part. At most, their skin tone is similar and/or comparable as the ancient Egyptians not identical. No surprise as some modern Egyptians also resemble sub-Saharan Africans, although more distantly that their ancestors. But a closer match to the ancient Egyptians would be to East Africans and Sudanese groups.
quote:I'm not playing this silly game by the way, I'm just countering the insinuation's about Hemiunu's head.
Yet you continue to post images in other threads, why is this?
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This nit-picking about variations on a theme of medium brown is pathetic. Within any given population, within nuclear families, indeed, there are greater variations in skin tone than that between the encient and modern Egyptians. The population retains the same racial characteristics as it always had, and the same variety. It's blazingly obvious. The Egyptians went nowhere.
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quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: There's no denying that some Egyptians, ancient and modern, have somethign about them reminiscent of other North-East Africans, but there is little or nothing about them that resembles central/West Africans, or the Nehesi negroes painted by the ancient Egyptians. They look more like Indians than negroids.
Nonsense. The Badarian and Naqada groups had broad noses and extreme prognathism, is that "Negroid" enough for you? LOL! The population was always diverse with wide and narrow features BOTH TYPES indigenous to Africa. Why you want to invoke West/Central Africans is beyond me. And "Nehesi" does not mean Negroes LOL.
quote:Carabooz the mid-tones on the 3d objects (the skin of the living people) are the same as the flat-filled flesh areas of the paintigs. They are the same colour and you are being ridiculous to say otherwise.
You just said that they didn't look the same, make up your mind. I can easily distinguish the people vs. the art as I'm sure anybody can. Nothing you say can change the fact that I can differentiate them.
BTW you guys. Great job at messing up the thread with your animal images instead of responding to the challenge given. Very nice indeed, trolls amaze me Posts: 1502 | From: Dies Irae | Registered: Oct 2010
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Jesus wept, Calabozo. Id you flattened them onto the wall with a rolling pin they would look the same... I think they would rather do that to you, though, and they would have good reason.
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quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: Jesus wept, Carabozo. Id you flattened them onto the wall with a rolling pin they would look the same...
So then you must admit that they don't look the same now. And since they aren't rolled flat onto the same wall, you can't say. The individuals look like different skin shades to me. Even Zahi Hawass says upper Egyptians are more reminiscent of the figures from the tombs. In any event, the ancient and modern populations remain morphologically distinct, so they wouldn't look the same any ways.
quote:I think they would rather do that to you, though, and they would have good reason.
Why would they want to do that to me? My skin tone is the same as them, even lighter really, and my phenotype would likely fit into such a diverse place.
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Well at any rate I am sure there are many Egyptians who are justifiably pissed off with being told by foreigners whose ancestors never came near Egypt that they- the modern Egyptians- are not the true heirs and descendants of the ancients, or that their look has changed. Especially when 99% of the time these foreign critics are motivated by a racialist ideology dependent on lumping Egypt with black Africa in an attempt to make their own people seem like the founders of civilization.
As for negroids living in Naqada in predynastic times, they evidently shared the neighbourhood with caucasoids. Of the Gebelein sand mummies, one was auburn haired and two brown haired, including a woman who had long, straight, light brown hair (two of said mummies were historically nicknamed 'Ginger' and 'Gingerella'). These mummies also appear to retain areas of light coloured skin.
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I agree completely. What I don't understand about the Afrocentric facination with Arabs and Islam is how even modern day Muslims don't hold Africa in high reguard be they Berbers or so called SSA. I have plenty of books in Islamic culture and only one Mentions Timbuctou and the East African Muslim Empires.
Funny thing is I found out about the Islamic movements of the Fulani and other Africans from a non Islamic Western World History book.
Also there seems to be some sort of facination with the Moors, despite evidence that Al Andalus was a Multi-ethnic society.
I honestly don't see anything great about Islam.
As far as Britain goes, its historically signifigant to Western Culture. Places like Chiswick house, St. Martins in the Feild, and London Bridge are the birth place of Modern culture...so to speak.
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: Jari I'm touched that you should be concerned about the integrity of British culture. Be assured it will be over my dead body that Islam takes over the UK. What I really don't get are the NOI movement in the US. Blacks seeming to think that Islam was somehow more suitable creed for the descendants of Africans to embrace. Islam was the religion of slave-traders as cruel as any European Christians, a religion centred on Arabs- people who never held negroes in high regard. Obviously I think Egypt would have been better off without Islam, despite the fact that under Islam Egypt continued to be the most powerful and advanced nation in Africa.
You should be more concerned about Islam spreading across black Africa, leading to the loss of indigenous religions and traditions like that of the Dogon.
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quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: Well at any rate I am sure there are many Egyptians who are justifiably pissed off with being told by foreigners whose ancestors never came near Egypt that they- the modern Egyptians- are not the true heirs and descendants of the ancients, or that their look has changed. Especially when 99% of the time these foreign critics are motivated by a racialist ideology dependent on lumping Egypt with black Africa in an attempt to make their own people seem like the founders of civilization.
I never said that they didn't descend from the ancient population. But the significant gene flow during late dynasty times did create more diversity and brought distinct phenotypes than those from the Early Predynastic (see Keita, 2008; Irish 2009; Zakrzewski 2002; 2004)
quote:As for negroids living in Naqada in predynastic times,
I never employed the term Negroid. I paraphrased osteological studies.
quote:they evidently shared the neighbourhood with caucasoids.
Nope. Neither Near Easterners nor Europeans colonized Egypt during the predynastic (Keita, 2005).
quote:Of the Gebelein and mummies one was auburn haired and two brown haired, including a woman who had long, straight, light brown hair (two of said mummies were historically nicknamed 'Ginger' and 'Gingerella').
1)Mummification effects hair color 2)Straight hair amongst Africans is not the result of gene flow anymore than curly hair in southern Europe. Finally, you should see the studies done on ancient Egyptian hair
quote:These mummies also appear to retain areas of light coloured skin.
Eyeball anthropology. Skin color doesn't stay the same on a 5,000 year old mummy. The ONLY study to date that has examined mummified soft tissue concluded that the Basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin. And you have yet to post a significant amount of light skinned Egyptians. Until you stop avoiding the OP of this thread, this is the end of discussion.
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quote:Originally posted by Kalonji: Rahotep is debunking himself
Why is there a need for Lower Egyptian comparative material, if he says all Ancient Egyptians are identical to the ancients?
The only way he can use that as an argument is if he is conceding to himself in silence that ancient Upper Egypt was significantly more ''African'' than ancient Lower Egypt
That is where the self defeating part comes in; Rahotep knows that with the exception of several pockets of noticeably darker people in Luxor and Aswan and other modern areas, most people between the 1st cataract (the ancient boundary) and the delta look on ave. like North Africans from Libya and Morocco.
In fact, since Libya and Morocco have darker people as well - on par of those dark remnant Egyptian people I mentioned - there is every reason to believe that modern Egypt as a whole compares favorably to other same lattitude North Africans.
Ancient Upper Egyptians, on the other hand, are distinguishable from Magrebians and Libyans in both depicted skin color and cranio-facial traits.
This is why you don't want to participate, and you know it.
quote:This site is already like an endless chessboard of dead Egyptians! You really want more of the same? Get a life! Anyway more archaeology survives in the south, both because the north continued to be more populous, so more stone was recycled, and because the north is wetter, so wooden and papyrus objects have survived less well. The north coast has also been prone to destructive earthquakes, and there has been more intensive farming in the Delta. Due to these conditions, the probability is that more dark images will have survived.
Why is there no response, got something to hide?
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quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: As for negroids living in Naqada in predynastic times, they evidently shared the neighbourhood with caucasoids. Of the Gebelein sand mummies, one was auburn haired and two brown haired, including a woman who had long, straight, light brown hair (two of said mummies were historically nicknamed 'Ginger' and 'Gingerella'). These mummies also appear to retain areas of light coloured skin.
Are you interested in sharing quotations of cranial studies done on Naqadans where they cluster with Ca-cazoids?
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quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': Neither Near Easterners nor Europeans colonized Egypt during the predynastic (Keita, 2005).
David Rohl, (1999) a qualified Egyptologist, very much begs to differ. If there were no Eurasians in Egypt, a few things need a lot of explaining... Eg the device on Narmer's Palette of serpent-necked lions with entwined necks, very common in W. Asia. This decoration is often found in Mesopotamia, for example on Elamite cylindrical roll-seals. Such seals were apparently a Sumerian invention, but also appeared in predynastic Egypt. http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterFour/NarmersPaletteReverse.htm
Another Sumerian/Susianan roll seal appears to feature the White Crown. I can't find a photo but if this drawing's accurate it's far more compelling than the Qustul incense burner...
From ancient Sumeria and from late-Pre or Early Dynastic Egypt:
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: As for negroids living in Naqada in predynastic times, they evidently shared the neighbourhood with caucasoids. Of the Gebelein sand mummies, one was auburn haired and two brown haired, including a woman who had long, straight, light brown hair (two of said mummies were historically nicknamed 'Ginger' and 'Gingerella'). These mummies also appear to retain areas of light coloured skin.
Are you interested in sharing quotations of cranial studies done on Naqadans where they cluster with Ca-cazoids?
From Anthropologist Douglas Derry (1956): 'The predynastic people seem to have had a narrow skull with a height measurement exeeding the breadth, a condition common also in negroes. The reverse is the case of the Dynastic Race [who appear on the scene in Naqada II era cemeteries] who not only had broader skulls but the height of the skulls, while exceeding that of the Predynastic Race, is still less than the breadth. This implies a larger cranial capacity and of course a larger brain in the invading people'.
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Lol. You turd, the author is comparing Badarians to Naqadans (dynastic race theory), and we all know they were slightly divergent because of divergent evolution for some time.
To get back to the Naqadans; they (as well as the Bad.) had on ave. a smaller head size than Ancient Sudanese, did Douglas Derry include that in that garbage quote of his?
EDIT A quick glance at the pdf where your quote comes from shows how defunct their methodology is. They didn't use multivariate analysis, as was the case in the studies of most contemporary early anthropologist. Do you not know how to discern the quality of your information, or are you indifferent? Don't know which one is worse.
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quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: Yes the head was found in the tomb with the rest of the statue.
Please pray tell where the head was at?? Where is a source saying the head was found. Also why in the Image you provided despite the head being broken at the neck there is no restoration line??
The head was found on the statue when it was first found.Thieves had chiseled out the eyes so the area around the eyes have been restored.
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^^^^Source..Thanks, also provide the image of the condition of the head...
Thanks
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari:
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: Yes the head was found in the tomb with the rest of the statue.
Please pray tell where the head was at?? Where is a source saying the head was found. Also why in the Image you provided despite the head being broken at the neck there is no restoration line??
The head was found on the statue when it was first found.Thieves had chiseled out the eyes so the area around the eyes have been restored.
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quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': ^I'm not seeing that those Egyptians have the same skin tone as the depictions. Their skin tone looks more like the color of the wall. I consider it wishful thinking on your part. At most, their skin tone is similar and/or comparable as the ancient Egyptians not identical. No surprise as some modern Egyptians also resemble sub-Saharan Africans, although more distantly that their ancestors. But a closer match to the ancient Egyptians would be to East Africans and Sudanese groups.
quote:I'm not playing this silly game by the way, I'm just countering the insinuation's about Hemiunu's head.
Yet you continue to post images in other threads, why is this?
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LOL The images displayed by the veterans so far are just the tip of the ice berg. Apparently these Euronuts have gotten so used to their cherry-picking that they have fooled even themselves! LOLPosts: 26286 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Dr. Robert Schoch's new geological studies of Egyptian monuments are likely to revolutionize our understanding of ancient history. His team has found evidence of weathering upon "core structures" INSIDE the ancient masonry of the Great Pyramid and of many other early Egyptian edifices. What he has found proves that many of the structures we now see in Egypt were constructed on top of other, more ancient structures which had lain exposed to the elements for THOUSANDS OF YEARS prior to their being covered up by the pyramids of the Old Kingdom.
This implies a radical revision of the history of Egypt. It means an advanced Egyptian culture the one that originally LOCATED these old structures, that aligned them with great precision to "true north," and that positioned them around hundreds of square miles of Egyptian desert to mirror the astrological sign of Orion had existed THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE THE OLD KINGDOM, which Egyptologists date to 2500 BC.
Ancient Sumerian civilation's earliest written tablets [which are nothing but agricultural commodity tokens] date to 3300 BC. The new findings by Schoch push the high culture of Egypt back to AT LEAST 5000-7000 BC--vastly older than Sumer. This earlier Egytian culture literally leaves the supposedly "ancient" civilization of Sumer in the dust...
The true date of Egypt may be far older, Schoch says. He indicates that the civilation that laid out these grand monuments so precisely would have alread had a long devleopment time before planning this huge complex of pyramids. Moreover, he feels his weathering estimates could be underestimating the time involved.
There is yet another reason for dating this early Egyptian culture older even than Schoch suspects. Several scholars over the past fifty years have argued that the date for the Egyptian Old Kingdom--from which Schoch's dates are extended back in time--could be off by centuries, or even millennia.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: All Joking aside, yes it was a Joke Rahotep, Why cant you admit Nefertit's other images look no different than other East African Women, even when you do you inject some asinine opinion of a person who edits "Essence" as if that magazine is relevent to Africa or African people.
Deep Down you know without that Berlin Bust Nefertiti looks no different than an East African woman but it pains you so to admit it...lol
Hell Ill admit there are images in Egyptian Art that look Eurasian like the seated scribe, but a Euroclown will never admit the Egyptians resemble other Africans, its always the MEditeranian or Asiatics...
Pathetic..
Nefertiti
the fact is that there is plenty of crossover between blacks and whites feature-wise so in given example you can't be certain who's who
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quote:Originally posted by Kalonji: Lol. You turd, the author is comparing Badarians to Naqadans (dynastic race theory), and we all know they were slightly divergent because of divergent evolution for some time.
To get back to the Naqadans; they (as well as the Bad.) had on ave. a smaller head size than Ancient Sudanese, did Douglas Derry include that in that garbage quote of his?
EDIT A quick glance at the pdf where your quote comes from shows how defunct their methodology is. They didn't use multivariate analysis, as was the case in the studies of most contemporary early anthropologist. Do you not know how to discern the quality of your information, or are you indifferent? Don't know which one is worse.
I did't think you'd like that. The quote is given in David Rohl's book 'Legend: the Genesis of Civilization'. It actually compares the types of skull found from people of the Naqada I and II era burials from the same site. Also given is an account of all the material archaeological evidence that supports the arrival of a new foreign elite from Mespotamia (apparently Armeniod Caucasians). Really bad news for those who would like to imagine Egyptian civilization as an entirely indigenous development.
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Rahotep is such a hypocrite. Notice how he will say stuff like "only Egyptians can claim Egyptian heritage" and immediately thereafter goes around spouting dynastic race theories that some elite Armeniod Caucasians colonize Egypt and brought civilization. He claims we try to steal Egyptian history, but just look at his screen name "Rahotep101" after the ancient Egyptian and his outdated and obsolete pseudo Bull.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: DaDum1 loves to post portraits from the 18th dynasty as his poster-people like they are somehow proof of cockasian Egpytians.
Let us appeal to his tastes then..
Is there a resemblance with the Maasai? No doubt if a statue were made of Maasai man and placed in Egypt it too would be classified as cockasian.
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Obviously you don't. You wake up everyday to log on to your computer to convince people you claim are racist and don't like you that the very racist propaganda they promote is not true and they should stop.
This makes absolutely no sense. How do you function in life?
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Like I said earlier Rahotep does'nt care about Modern Egyptians, he only defends the Delta because they resemble him and Eurasians more. Rahotep believes whites created and found Egypt but pretends Afrocentrics are the evil ones when he himself believes the same ish in reverse.
Im gonna save that quote, might even use it in a future video.
quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': Rahotep is such a hypocrite. Notice how he will say stuff like "only Egyptians can claim Egyptian heritage" and immediately thereafter goes around spouting dynastic race theories that some elite Armeniod Caucasians colonize Egypt and brought civilization. He claims we try to steal Egyptian history, but just look at his screen name "Rahotep101" after the ancient Egyptian and his outdated and obsolete pseudo Bull.
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