quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: [ anyone on ES actually wait a good year before they start a new relationship after a divorce?
Anyone?
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ME! And I fit none of your stereotypes. I was muslimah BEFORE I ever met my husband, he is 10 years OLDER than me, and still happily married (with occasional fights) after 5 years.
I am sure there are also many others in this country who can claim the same, we just don't hear of them because they are busy doing more worthwhile things than arguing relentlessly about silly topics here on ES....lol
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quote:Originally posted by *The Dark Angel* aka CAT:
quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: This reinforces a belief that western women are sharmeet.
oh, speaking of which, you reminded me
I heard the other day on the Radio a commercial teaching Egyptian men not to harrass women especially foreigners....... through a dialogue between to Egyptian men, one of them telling the other that before he does this he has to think whether he'd like this to happen to his sister or mother.
Dont remember the entire script as it was possibly a 2 minute long commercial but I was impressed....... apparently, something positive is coming out of the latest Eid events
Well thats helpful for Egyptian women who recieve most of the harrassment.
But obviously a western woman has little in commen with a guys mother or sister so I highly doubt the connection can be made then!
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quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: [ anyone on ES actually wait a good year before they start a new relationship after a divorce?
Anyone?
ME! And I fit none of your stereotypes. I was muslimah BEFORE I ever met my husband, he is 10 years OLDER than me, and still happily married (with occasional fights) after 5 years.
I am sure there are also many others in this country who can claim the same, we just don't hear of them because they are busy doing more worthwhile things than arguing relentlessly about silly topics here on ES....lol [/QB]
Was I directing that towards you?
Besides remember a forum called egsearch.com?
Yeah it seems silly, but then again these points we have been arguing over don't make a hill of beans to westerners, but make a huge difference to Egyptians.
I just can't get over how western females expect Egyptian guys to view their relationship through western mores and values. Most of the time the Egyptian guy will do the dog and pony show for her but behind her back in a language she doesn't understand he could be saying anything.
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Never heard of egsearch.com. What is it and what does it have to do with me?
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quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: Well thats helpful for Egyptian women who recieve most of the harrassment.
But obviously a western woman has little in commen with a guys mother or sister so I highly doubt the connection can be made then! [/QB]
Well, if these guys dont respect foreign women & harass them becuse they think that they are cheap...... then this has to stop & they have to see them as humans or as women who should be no different from a sister or a mother or a wife......... It does not mean that they are the same, you just missed the point, it simply means that any woman foreigner or not is worthy of respect, worthy of the repsect they give to their moms & sisters
Dont forget that this commercial addresses those street guys to suit this type of mentality & only a message like that will be taken seriously & will come across especially the mother/ sister part
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Now get over it already....you were wrong...about the rings and about me!
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I don't see how that proves the contemporary customs of changing the ring finger from engagement to marriage.
Posting fluf doesn't discredit my earlier posting from wikipedia. But I suppose since you are on the side of the majority you didn't think anyone was going to scrutinize your choice of hyperlinks.
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quote:Originally posted by *The Dark Angel* aka CAT:
quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: Well thats helpful for Egyptian women who recieve most of the harrassment.
But obviously a western woman has little in commen with a guys mother or sister so I highly doubt the connection can be made then!
Well, if these guys dont respect foreign women & harass them becuse they think that they are cheap...... then this has to stop & they have to see them as humans or as women who should be no different from a sister or a mother or a wife......... It does not mean that they are the same, you just missed the point, it simply means that any women foreigner or not is worthy of respect, worthy of repsect as that they give to their moms & sisters
Dont forget that this commercial addresses those street guys to suit this type of mentality & only a message like that will be taken seriously & will come across especially the mother/ sister part [/QB]
quote:Originally posted by *The Dark Angel* aka CAT:
quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: Well thats helpful for Egyptian women who recieve most of the harrassment.
But obviously a western woman has little in commen with a guys mother or sister so I highly doubt the connection can be made then!
Well, if these guys dont respect foreign women & harass them becuse they think that they are cheap...... then this has to stop & they have to see them as humans or as women who should be no different from a sister or a mother or a wife......... It does not mean that they are the same, you just missed the point, it simply means that any woman foreigner or not is worthy of respect, worthy of the repsect they give to their moms & sisters
Dont forget that this commercial addresses those street guys to suit this type of mentality & only a message like that will be taken seriously & will come across especially the mother/ sister part [/QB]
you just missed the point, it simply means that any women foreigner or not is worthy of respect, worthy of repsect as that they give to their moms & sisters
I didn't miss your point, not at all. I think the commercial isn't in touch with the street guy in the least.
The average street guy won't see a foreign woman anything like his mother or sister. Who ever produced the commercial didn't consider this adaquately.
I am not finding fault with you. I am finding fault with the merits of the commercial.
Besides the street guy will be viewing this commercial in a coffee house or tea house. I can just imagine how conversation changes when talk of foreign women come up. Posts: 3168 | From: If you don't like it, don't look or read it! | Registered: Oct 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: I don't see how that proves the contemporary customs of changing the ring finger from engagement to marriage.
Posting fluf doesn't discredit my earlier posting from wikipedia. But I suppose since you are on the side of the majority you didn't think anyone was going to scrutinize your choice of hyperlinks.
If you had actually scrutinized my choice of hyperlinks you would have seen that they show that you can tell by looking at the type of ring whether it is a wedding ring or an engagement ring...and a ring with a big rock in it is an engagement ring in the UK and a plain flat band is a wedding ring!
We have two different types of rings, so we don't need to change fingers. In fact the only time we do change fingers is on divorce and then some people move the rings over to the right hand!
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quote:Originally posted by *The Dark Angel* aka CAT:
quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: Well thats helpful for Egyptian women who recieve most of the harrassment.
But obviously a western woman has little in commen with a guys mother or sister so I highly doubt the connection can be made then!
Well, if these guys dont respect foreign women & harass them becuse they think that they are cheap...... then this has to stop & they have to see them as humans or as women who should be no different from a sister or a mother or a wife......... It does not mean that they are the same, you just missed the point, it simply means that any women foreigner or not is worthy of respect, worthy of repsect as that they give to their moms & sisters
Dont forget that this commercial addresses those street guys to suit this type of mentality & only a message like that will be taken seriously & will come across especially the mother/ sister part
Nicely said! [/QB]
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I didn't miss your point, not at all. I think the commercial isn't in touch with the street guy in the least.
The average street guy won't see a foreign woman anything like his mother or sister. Who ever produced the commercial didn't consider this adaquately.
I am not finding fault with you. I am finding fault with the merits of the commercial.
Besides the street guy will be viewing this commercial in a coffee house or tea house. I can just imagine how conversation changes when talk of foreign women come up. [/QB]
I know you're not finding fault with me Unfortunately i dont remember much..... i was in a taxi & when i heard something about sexual harassement in the radio, I asked the driver to up the volume so i can hear better but i must have missed a big part of it I dont think it was about foreign women alone
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quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: I don't see how that proves the contemporary customs of changing the ring finger from engagement to marriage.
Posting fluf doesn't discredit my earlier posting from wikipedia. But I suppose since you are on the side of the majority you didn't think anyone was going to scrutinize your choice of hyperlinks.
If you had actually scrutinized my choice of hyperlinks you would have seen that they show that you can tell by looking at the type of ring whether it is a wedding ring or an engagement ring...and a ring with a big rock in it is an engagement ring in the UK and a plain flat band is a wedding ring!
We have two different types of rings, so we don't need to change fingers. In fact the only time we do change fingers is on divorce and then some people move the rings over to the right hand!
Huh? How many women continue to wear their engagement rings on their right ring finger after marriage and wear their wedding ring on the left ring finger?
I know some women do manage to get their husbands to fork over the wedding band. Which is helpful during the cermony.
You see during the wedding ceremony (As a revert you probably haven't see alot of Christian weddings over the last 2 decades to remember, but I have actually about 15 weddings in the last decade) the exchange of rings starts with the husband taking the engagement ring off of the right ring finger over to the left ring finger and then he bestoys the wedding ring on that same left ring finger. Then she in turn does the same and puts a wedding band on his left ring finger.
Its a simple enough of a procession.
Many jewelers now offer a service of fusing the wedding ring to the engagement ring to ensure that one or the other doesn't get lost.
Yet some women don't bother with the wedding ring and just keep the engagement ring to use for both purposes. It depends on the style of engagment ring if it can be fused with a wedding ring or not. And not all jewlers will tell you in advance if an engagement ring can be fused with a wedding ring. Some engagement rings aren't sold with a compatible wedding band at all! It depends on the knowledge of the consumer/engaged couple and how much the jewler thinks he can squeeze out of the engaged couple. Posts: 3168 | From: If you don't like it, don't look or read it! | Registered: Oct 2006
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quote:Originally posted by *The Dark Angel* aka CAT:
quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa:
I didn't miss your point, not at all. I think the commercial isn't in touch with the street guy in the least.
The average street guy won't see a foreign woman anything like his mother or sister. Who ever produced the commercial didn't consider this adaquately.
I am not finding fault with you. I am finding fault with the merits of the commercial.
Besides the street guy will be viewing this commercial in a coffee house or tea house. I can just imagine how conversation changes when talk of foreign women come up.
I know you're not finding fault with me Unfortunately i dont remember much..... i was in a taxi & when i heard something about sexual harassement in the radio, I asked the driver to up the volume so i can hear better but i must have missed a big part of it I dont think it was about foreign women alone
Hopefully I'll hear it again [/QB]
The way you described the commercial is it addressed harrassment of both Egyptian and foreign women. Which is excellent.
I was thinking that it was a TV commercial from your description. But that would've been sensory overload for the young street guy. Posts: 3168 | From: If you don't like it, don't look or read it! | Registered: Oct 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: the exchange of rings starts with the husband taking the engagement ring off of the right ring finger over to the left ring finger and then he bestoys the wedding ring on that same left ring finger. Then she in turn does the same and puts a wedding band on his left ring finger.
That maybe true in the States, but we are discussing UK traditions now and the significance of rings there. The customs are simply different...we wear both rings on the same finger from the time of the engagement! That's just the way we do it in the UK!
And now duty calls...so I'll leave you to stew over that!
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quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: the exchange of rings starts with the husband taking the engagement ring off of the right ring finger over to the left ring finger and then he bestoys the wedding ring on that same left ring finger. Then she in turn does the same and puts a wedding band on his left ring finger.
That maybe true in the States, but we are discussing UK traditions now and the significance of rings there. The customs are simply different...we wear both rings on the same finger from the time of the engagement! That's just the way we do it in the UK!
And now duty calls...so I'll leave you to stew over that!
From your personal experience. Whens the last time you lived in UK?
I posted the hyperlinks from a valid source and you didn't.
In actuality how many foreign women who go to Egypt to screw around aren't married at the time?
Here's another clip:
Contemporary usage
In the United Kingdom and the United States in past generations, women wore wedding bands much more commonly than men did. Today, both partners often wear wedding rings, but where occupations or professions forbid or discourage the wearing of jewelry (as in the cases of actors, police, military pilots and electrical workers), either marriage partner may not wear a ring. In addition, people often remove wedding rings for comfort or safety. Others may object to the idea of precious metals, or dislike the idea of declaring their legal status through jewelry. Either partner may also wear a wedding ring on a chain around the neck, thus conveying the socially equivalent message to wearing it on a finger.
The double-ring ceremony, or use of wedding rings for both partners, is a relatively recent innovation. The origin of the practice is uncertain, but it was never widespread. The American jewellery industry started a marketing campaign aimed at encouraging this usage in the late 19th century. The practice never became widespread, although it did warrant mention in an etiquette book in 1937. Learning from marketing lessons of the 1920s, changing economic times, and the impact of World War II, led to a more successful marketing campaign, and by the late 1940s, double-ring ceremonies made up for 80% of all weddings, as opposed to 15% before the Great Depression.[2]
One interpretation states that the woman wears the wedding ring below the engagement ring, thus making it closer to the heart. Another practice holds that the woman should wear the wedding ring above the engagement ring, thus sealing the atmosphere of the engagement into the marriage. Still others prefer that the wedding ring should be worn alone. Further, modern ring sets in the United States are often marketed as a three-piece set, including the man's wedding band, the woman's engagement ring, and a slender band that is mounted to the engagement ring before the wedding, converting it into a single, permanent wedding ring. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_ring#Contemporary_usage
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In many Western cultures, the wedding ring is worn on the left hand. In some countries such as Germany, India, Venezuela and Chile, however, it is worn on the right hand. Also in Spain it is worn right, except by Catalan people (left). Orthodox Christians, Eastern Europeans and Jews also traditionally wear the wedding band on the right hand. In The Netherlands, Catholic people wear it left, all others right. But in Austria Catholic people wear it right. Greek people, many being Orthodox Christians, also wear the wedding rings on the right hand in keeping with Greek tradition. A traditional reason to wear the wedding ring on the right hand stems from Roman custom. The Latin word for left is "sinistra", a word that evolved into the English "sinister". The Latin word for right is "dexter", a word that evolved into "dexterity". Hence, the left hand had a negative connotation and the right a good one.
Etiquette frowns severely on the making of sexual overtures to a man or woman wearing a wedding ring.
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quote: What about your husband's masters degree? I checked into it and it was only a certificate that has been offered to bachelor students since 2003.
OMG!!!!!!! I cannot imagine someone going that far. Really.......That's just too far. And to admit it is worse. ugh Thats just creepy.
Posting someone's full name address and phone number on a public forum like ES after someone gives you the information they gathered on a business trip isn't spooky?
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Now for Tigerweed's insistance on her husband's "masters degree" in military leadership.
ampden-Sydney College used the occasion of its "War on Terrorism: 3 Years After" to unveil a new military leadership and national security studies certificate program. The program is designed for students who are interested in the historical, political and ethical dimensions of national security policy as well as the place and role of the military in American society.
Students may apply for admission to the program during the fall semester of their sophomore year. For more information, contact Dr. Simms at Morton Hall, room 319.
Students enrolled in the military leadership and national security studies program must complete one required course during each of their final three years at Hampden-Sydney College: * The Military and American Democracy (sophomore year) * Military History (junior year) * Leadership and Ethics (senior year)
As you can see on the right hand side there is a class of 2006, 2007 and 2008.
Tigerweed's husband has been deployed for a few years now and wouldn't be stateside in order to attend college.
Now about making up lies and then backing up other egy-board members who constantly lie..... Well they have a tendancy to back each other up continueously no matter how bamboozled their lies become. The truth doesn't matter to them because a lack thereof is what builds their cohesiveness!
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quote:Originally posted by newcomer: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: [qb] the exchange of rings starts with the husband taking the engagement ring off of the right ring finger over to the left ring finger and then he bestoys the wedding ring on that same left ring finger. Then she in turn does the same and puts a wedding band on his left ring finger.
That maybe true in the States, but we are discussing UK traditions now and the significance of rings there. The customs are simply different...we wear both rings on the same finger from the time of the engagement! That's just the way we do it in the UK!
And now duty calls...so I'll leave you to stew over that!
Thank goodness Newcomer - someone who is talking sense about this ring issue! Samarra_Anissa what is your problem and you want to keep trying to put people's comments and opinions down! I think many people from the UK will agree with Newcomer's posting on the ring issue, that is how we do things here in the UK, and isn't that what you started to discuss because you seemed concerned that Yorkshire Rose had a ring on her wedding finger, not a wedding ring as you originally suggested but it actually looked like an engagement ring, even if it was not an engagement ring Yorkshire Rose lives in a free country and society that she can do what she wants as long as she isn't hurting another person, and I don't see that she was either form the photo that was posted or from the ring that she might have had on her finger. Some people on this forum certainly have time on their hands if they can look at photos so clearly and make comment.
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quote:Originally posted by newcomer: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: [qb] the exchange of rings starts with the husband taking the engagement ring off of the right ring finger over to the left ring finger and then he bestoys the wedding ring on that same left ring finger. Then she in turn does the same and puts a wedding band on his left ring finger.
That maybe true in the States, but we are discussing UK traditions now and the significance of rings there. The customs are simply different...we wear both rings on the same finger from the time of the engagement! That's just the way we do it in the UK!
And now duty calls...so I'll leave you to stew over that!
Thank goodness Newcomer someone who is talking sense about this ring issue! Samarra_Anissa what is your problem and you want to keep trying to put people's comments and opinions down! I think many people from the UK will agree with Newcomer's posting on the ring issue, that is how we do things here in the UK, and isn't that what you started to discuss beacsue you seemed concerned that Yorkshire Rose had a ring on her wedding finger, not a wedding ring as you originally suggested but it actually looked like an engagement ring, even if it was not an engagement ring Yorkshire Rose lives in a free country and society that hse can do what she wants as long as she isn't hurting another person, and I don't see that she was either form the photo that was posted or from the ring that she might have had on her finger. Some people on this forum certainly have time on their hands if they can look at photos so clearly and make comment. I have just looked at my photo again and if you look closely you will see that I have a ring on my wedding finger, but at the time of the photo I was neither married or engaged!
The photo wasn't of you, it was of Yorkshire Rose
Why on earth do British people like to twist the words of other and try to confuse people? Do British people really think that they aren't accountable and everyone else is less intelligent than British people?
Or possibly you could clear this up, is Miss. Sharm also Yorkshire Rose?
In the meantime find an online source that refutes what wikipedia had to say about ring traditions.
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by newcomer: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: [qb] the exchange of rings starts with the husband taking the engagement ring off of the right ring finger over to the left ring finger and then he bestoys the wedding ring on that same left ring finger. Then she in turn does the same and puts a wedding band on his left ring finger. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That maybe true in the States, but we are discussing UK traditions now and the significance of rings there. The customs are simply different...we wear both rings on the same finger from the time of the engagement! That's just the way we do it in the UK!
And now duty calls...so I'll leave you to stew over that! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank goodness Newcomer someone who is talking sense about this ring issue! Samarra_Anissa what is your problem and you want to keep trying to put people's comments and opinions down! I think many people from the UK will agree with Newcomer's posting on the ring issue, that is how we do things here in the UK, and isn't that what you started to discuss beacsue you seemed concerned that Yorkshire Rose had a ring on her wedding finger, not a wedding ring as you originally suggested but it actually looked like an engagement ring, even if it was not an engagement ring Yorkshire Rose lives in a free country and society that hse can do what she wants as long as she isn't hurting another person, and I don't see that she was either form the photo that was posted or from the ring that she might have had on her finger. Some people on this forum certainly have time on their hands if they can look at photos so clearly and make comment. I have just looked at my photo again and if you look closely you will see that I have a ring on my wedding finger, but at the time of the photo I was neither married or engaged!
Sorry I disagree. Why would you want that information? Why would you share it? And why would you go snooping further. Seriously Sono........sometimes you just go too far.
Posting personal details online about someone other than yourself is just wrong!
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Samara_ Anissa - I am not stupid I know that the photo was of Yorkshire Rose. I was just making a comment that if you look at my photo so closely you will see a ring on my wedding finger and at the time and now I was neither married or engaged. Have you ever thought that perhaps some women choose my their choice to wear a ring on this finger because they don't want the hassle from men, or perhaps the ring is special or of sentimental value to them and again by choice they decide to wear it on this finger. I was not trying to twist the words of another I was just merley standing up for another Brit who does not deserve to be slagged off for what was originally a posting of her photo. No, I am not Yorkshire Rose as well, we just have similar views on things and like to support people when they are getting abused by others for no apparent reason. I will not be finding an online source to refute what wikipedia has to say about ring traditions because too be honest I am not that interested, I have more important things to worry about and i certainly don't have the time!
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Why the Third Finger, Left-hand? However, in most European countries the ring is still worn on the brides left hand. A Greek Orthodox bride wears her ring on her left had before marriage, and moves it to her right hand after the ceremony.
The marriage ring represents a promise for eternal and everlasting love. It is a representation of the promises joining both the bride and groom together. The wedding ring is placed on the fourth finger of the left hand because it was traditionally believed that this finger was a direct connection to the heart -- the perfect place to place a symbol, representing eternal love and commitment.
In some countries, such as Norway and Russia, it is also worn on the ring finger of the right hand. The purpose of wearing a wedding ring is to represent a marriage, with both spouses showing their commitment to each other. Although the custom originated in Europe, it has spread to many other countries beyond Europe. In some cultures, two other rings, the promise ring and the engagement ring, are also given before marriage.
In some European countries, the engagement ring becomes the wedding ring once the couple is married. If a different ring is used for the wedding ring, the bride may still wear the engagement ring as well if she chooses.
The choice of finger for wearing the ring has changed over the centuries. While the fourth finger on the left or right hand has always been traditionally used, wearing the ring on the left hand has been a sign of a couple’s eternal love for each other.
I am running out of steam doing 4 things a once here.
Clearly a ring on the left ring finger significies that Yorkshire Rose is married when the photo was taken. Unless she is from Eastern Europe, which is why I asked earlier either on this thread or another thread if she was from the Eastern Block.
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quote:Originally posted by Miss Sharm: Samara_ Anissa - I am not stupid I know that the photo was of Yorkshire Rose. I was just making a comment that if you look at my photo so closely you will see a ring on my wedding finger and at the time and now I was neither married or engaged. Have you ever thought that perhaps some women choose my their choice to wear a ring on this finger because they don't want the hassle from men, or perhaps the ring is special or of sentimental value to them and again by choice they decide to wear it on this finger. I was not trying to twist the words of another I was just merley standing up for another Brit who does not deserve to be slagged off for what was originally a posting of her photo. No, I am not Yorkshire Rose as well, we just have similar views on things and like to support people when they are getting abused by others for no apparent reason. I will not be finding an online source to refute what wikipedia has to say about ring traditions because too be honest I am not that interested, I have more important things to worry about and i certainly don't have the time!
The discussion isnn't about your photo, but about Yorshire Rose's photo.
You just don't like the fact that I and most Egyptians look down on relationships from the internet and vacations forged into marriages.
Come on here, how many Egyptian parents would allow their daughter to get married to a stranger on vacation or from someone over the internet.
You really think Egyptians are going to not frown on these relationships?
I hit your comfort zone and the comfort zone of 80% of the foreign females on this board. When an Egyptians makes the same remark you and 80% of foreigner females on this board think nothing of it, so why does it hit a nerve when I make the same remark?
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I hit your comfort zone and the comfort zone of 80% of the foreign females on this board. When an Egyptians makes the same remark you and 80% of foreigner females on this board think nothing of it, so why does it hit a nerve when I make the same remark?
Maybe because you never say anything good. Or because you are constantly hijacking threads and bashing people. Even good people that have done nothing wrong. Like YR. Her pics were lovely. She did nothing wrong. Who are you to say the kind of crap you did. You basically called her a slut. What has she done to you? She is one of the nice ones on here. Of course we all come to her rescue. She proves herself to be kind and considerate. Do you? So you deserve all your getting. It has nothing to do with comfort zone. It has everything to do with consideration.
What is this with links? You really think we will believe you and internet links when we have direct input from Britains themselves. Still I don't believe she was married. I think your the only one on here who does. Lay off. She can wear that ring if she wants. Married or not. Links don't prove anything.
I challenge you Sono..............can you say only nice things for 1 week?
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quote:Originally posted by sheba76: I hit your comfort zone and the comfort zone of 80% of the foreign females on this board. When an Egyptians makes the same remark you and 80% of foreigner females on this board think nothing of it, so why does it hit a nerve when I make the same remark?
Maybe because you never say anything good. Or because you are constantly hijacking threads and bashing people. Even good people that have done nothing wrong. Like YR. Her pics were lovely. She did nothing wrong. Who are you to say the kind of crap you did. You basically called her a slut. What has she done to you? She is one of the nice ones on here. Of course we all come to her rescue. She proves herself to be kind and considerate. Do you? So you deserve all your getting. It has nothing to do with comfort zone. It has everything to do with consideration.
What is this with links? You really think we will believe you and internet links when we have direct input from Britains themselves. Still I don't believe she was married. I think your the only one on here who does. Lay off. She can wear that ring if she wants. Married or not. Links don't prove anything.
I challenge you Sono..............can you say only nice things for 1 week?
For one week can we have foreign female ESers not lie about their relationships and not pretend that these online and vacation relationships forged into marriages aren't abhorent to Egyptians?
Seriously, there are still germans who believe the holocoust didn't happen. Then there are Turks who don't believe that the Armenian genoucide didn't happen.
denile indeed is a river that runs through Egypt and obviously foreigner think they own it!
I post positives, but not going to catch me become complacent in regards to these visa marriages or online/vacation relationships just to ensure foreigners on these egy-boards like me.
I post positives because Egypt is moving forward and things are getting better for the Egyptian people. I feel that progress can also be accompanied by dignity.
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I never said that the discussion was about my photo - I just can't understand what all the fuss was about with the photo, she is a beautiful, intelligant woman who does not deserve to be spoken about in the way that you and others have. I have never said that I don't like the fact that you and most Egyptians look down on relationships from the internet and vacations forged into marriages! So why have you brought this into equation probably because you aren't winning the argument on the ring debate! I have never said the Egyptians would probably not frown on these relationships but we as westerners do not deserve to be constantly put down because you think that you have perceived idea about us, that I am sure if you met many of us of this forum you would be proved wrong. Is there really anything wrong about meeting someone on vacation or over the internet, you can't help falling in love with someone, I would rather have been loved than not be loved at all! I know not many Egyptian parents would not allow their daughters to marry a stranger on vacation or someone from the internet but I do know of Egyptian girls that have their husband choosen for them and are in unhappy marriages and see know way of getting out. Your comments Samara_Anissa probably hit a nerve with people when you make the same remark because you appear to go one step further and aim them at an individual.
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quote:Originally posted by sheba76: I challenge you Sono..............can you say only nice things for 1 week?
Well said Sheba76 for what you said in you previous posting, it appears now she wants to attack me for what I write and say!
I think the challenge to Sono should be to say nice things for 1 day! But we all know that would not be possible Posts: 1244 | From: we come in peace | Registered: Nov 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Miss Sharm: I never said that the discussion was about my photo - I just can't understand what all the fuss was about with the photo, she is a beautiful, intelligant woman who does not deserve to be spoken about in the way that you and others have. I have never said that I don't like the fact that you and most Egyptians look down on relationships from the internet and vacations forged into marriages! So why have you brought this into equation probably because you aren't winning the argument on the ring debate! I have never said the Egyptians would probably not frown on these relationships but we as westerners do not deserve to be constantly put down because you think that you have perceived idea about us, that I am sure if you met many of us of this forum you would be proved wrong. Is there really anything wrong about meeting someone on vacation or over the internet, you can't help falling in love with someone, I would rather have been loved than not be loved at all! I know not many Egyptian parents would not allow their daughters to marry a stranger on vacation or someone from the internet but I do know of Egyptian girls that have their husband choosen for them and are in unhappy marriages and see know way of getting out. Your comments Samara_Anissa probably hit a nerve with people when you make the same remark because you appear to go one step further and aim them at an individual.
Is there really anything wrong about meeting someone on vacation or over the internet, you can't help falling in love with someone, I would rather have been loved than not be loved at all!
Excuse me, you really think these dudes love you back? Oh no, they don't. Its not about love to them, its called a "White Marriage". Look it up.
Do you seriously think that only a perfect stranger from a land entirely alien to your own in everyway is going to love you like someone from your own culture? Put down the romance novel and smell your life. Wake up!
I wish for once that Princess Diana had lived and found out that her Dodi was as much of an arse as Charles. And hopefully in less than 15 years. If she hadn't died you females wouldn't be filled with so much bizare romance novel naiviety.
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I'm not lying. My relationship is not online or vacation. It is real. Real and good relationships do happen between westerners and Egyptians.
I will listen to the Egyptians on these subjects. You are not Egyptian. Why do you think you know everything about Egypt? It's obvious that you don't. Try answering for yourself instead of Egyptians. You do not qualify as an authority to speak for them.
Actually, I was hoping that you would take the challenge. It might help you to be happy. A happy person generally does not treat others as you do. Might give you a new perspective for a change. I think you must be smart. Why waste it and make a fool of yourself for negativity? Put it to good use and earn some respect. We might actually listen to you then.
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are we still here FORGODS SAKE YR GIVE HER SOMETHING ELSE BHURKA CLOTHED KKKKKK SHE WILL DISS THAT TOOOOOOOOOOOOO ...
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...Seriously, there are still germans who believe the holocoust didn't happen. Then there are Turks who don't believe that the Armenian genoucide didn't happen....
quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: I wish for once that Princess Diana had lived and found out that her Dodi was as much of an arse as Charles. And hopefully in less than 15 years. If she hadn't died you females wouldn't be filled with so much bizare romance novel naiviety.
Sonomod, don't you think it's time to stop what you are doing? What's driving you to write all this BS? And why can't you stick to one subject at least?
Look, take your usual dosage of Xanax and some Benadryl and hop to bed early tonight.
Luckily you are all by yourself and you don't have take care of a sick child.....
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quote: Do you seriously think that only a perfect stranger from a land entirely alien to your own in everyway is going to love you like someone from your own culture? Put down the romance novel and smell your life. Wake up!
He loves me better. Sometimes the differences can make a couple closer. Can make them try harder for their relationship. Can make them attractive to each other. Can also make it more special because of all the hard work,and what they've had to work through to get there. (cultural problems of course)
I'm sorry your relationship didn't work out. There are a lot of gigolo's out there. But not all western/egyptian marriages are bad. Some are quite awesome.
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quote:Originally posted by sheba76: I'm not lying. My relationship is not online or vacation. It is real. Real and good relationships do happen between westerners and Egyptians.
I will listen to the Egyptians on these subjects. You are not Egyptian. Why do you think you know everything about Egypt? It's obvious that you don't. Try answering for yourself instead of Egyptians. You do not qualify as an authority to speak for them.
Actually, I was hoping that you would take the challenge. It might help you to be happy. A happy person generally does not treat others as you do. Might give you a new perspective for a change. I think you must be smart. Why waste it and make a fool of yourself for negativity? Put it to good use and earn some respect. We might actually listen to you then.
Oh good lord, its a long distance relationship in which you are planning to marry in KSA.
How did this relationship start? Online or vacation? Or did you live in Egypt and meet him there?
Seriously why do you think he wants to get married in KSA and not Egypt?
Think now think! Egypt doesn't go to KSA for marriage verification and KSA doesn't go to Egypt for marriage verification. Think!
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...Seriously, there are still germans who believe the holocoust didn't happen. Then there are Turks who don't believe that the Armenian genoucide didn't happen....
quote:Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: I wish for once that Princess Diana had lived and found out that her Dodi was as much of an arse as Charles. And hopefully in less than 15 years. If she hadn't died you females wouldn't be filled with so much bizare romance novel naiviety.
Sonomod, don't you think it's time to stop what you are doing? What's driving you to write all this BS? And why can't you stick to one subject at least?
Look, take your usual dosage of Xanax and some Benadryl and hop to bed early tonight.
Luckily you are all by yourself and you don't have take care of a sick child.....
Enjoy the silence and relax!
I can live with truth which is something you don't do:
And lying about your husband's career and education doesn't help you either.
Now for Tigerweed's insistance on her husband's "masters degree" in military leadership.
ampden-Sydney College used the occasion of its "War on Terrorism: 3 Years After" to unveil a new military leadership and national security studies certificate program. The program is designed for students who are interested in the historical, political and ethical dimensions of national security policy as well as the place and role of the military in American society.
Students may apply for admission to the program during the fall semester of their sophomore year. For more information, contact Dr. Simms at Morton Hall, room 319.
Students enrolled in the military leadership and national security studies program must complete one required course during each of their final three years at Hampden-Sydney College: * The Military and American Democracy (sophomore year) * Military History (junior year) * Leadership and Ethics (senior year)
As you can see on the right hand side there is a class of 2006, 2007 and 2008.
Tigerweed's husband has been deployed for a few years now and wouldn't be stateside in order to attend college.
Now about making up lies and then backing up other egy-board members who constantly lie..... Well they have a tendancy to back each other up continueously no matter how bamboozled their lies become. The truth doesn't matter to them because a lack thereof is what builds their cohesiveness!
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quote: Do you seriously think that only a perfect stranger from a land entirely alien to your own in everyway is going to love you like someone from your own culture? Put down the romance novel and smell your life. Wake up!
He loves me better. Sometimes the differences can make a couple closer. Can make them try harder for their relationship. Can make them attractive to each other. Can also make it more special because of all the hard work,and what they've had to work through to get there. (cultural problems of course)
I'm sorry your relationship didn't work out. There are a lot of gigolo's out there. But not all western/egyptian marriages are bad. Some are quite awesome.
Have you two even met in person?
How can you claim you have a better understanding than I?
I have been married for 5 years.
An Albanian who just got off the plane 2 days ago versues an Albanian who's been in the USA for 5 years, which Albanian understands America better?
Back to YR, how could her pose be considered "tasteful" and "modest" let alone appropriate to an Egyptian? How could that not be a wedding ring?
Ladies this is where the questions lie, YR is an extremely bad example of what kind of foreigner ends up with an Egyptian.
You are all making excuses for her because you are no better and have done the same!
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quote:Oh good lord, its a long distance relationship in which you are planning to marry in KSA.
Who said that? We are looking at all of our options is all because of the time it takes to marry in Egypt. Since he is stationed in KSA, and cannot leave for a while, we were looking at ALL our options. Actually, HE prefers to marry in Egypt.
quote:How did this relationship start? Online or vacation? Or did you live in Egypt and meet him there?
We were language partners online for about a year before I lived there for 2 months. We were friends first. It grew into more when we met in person. What does it matter?
quote:Seriously why do you think he wants to get married in KSA and not Egypt?
HMMMM HE DOES WANT TO MARRY IN EGYPT. With the family present. You just can't accept that can you? Why? What does it matter to you?
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Think now think! Egypt doesn't go to KSA for marriage verification and KSA doesn't go to Egypt for marriage verification. Think! [/QUOTE]
Sorry Sono.........I'm not as smart as you. What are you trying to prove here?
See you've done it again. You take what you think you know about something, and try to prove you know everything. Sorry you're not convincing.
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quote:Oh good lord, its a long distance relationship in which you are planning to marry in KSA.
Who said that? We are looking at all of our options is all because of the time it takes to marry in Egypt. Since he is stationed in KSA, and cannot leave for a while, we were looking at ALL our options. Actually, HE prefers to marry in Egypt.
quote:How did this relationship start? Online or vacation? Or did you live in Egypt and meet him there?
We were language partners online for about a year before I lived there for 2 months. We were friends first. It grew into more when we met in person. What does it matter?
quote:Seriously why do you think he wants to get married in KSA and not Egypt?
HMMMM HE DOES WANT TO MARRY IN EGYPT. With the family present. You just can't accept that can you? Why? What does it matter to you?
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Think now think! Egypt doesn't go to KSA for marriage verification and KSA doesn't go to Egypt for marriage verification. Think!
Sorry Sono.........I'm not as smart as you. What are you trying to prove here?
See you've done it again. You take what you think you know about something, and try to prove you know everything. Sorry you're not convincing. [/QUOTE]
2 months is one person's vacation.
You went there only for 2 months for language training? I have looked into different programs in Cairo a few run for 6 weeks. But not many.
What online language organization is this? I want to see it for myself!
He's "stationed" in KSA, what is he military? My FIL worked in KSA for 8 years in the ministry of religion he had 10 days off every month. I can't believe you can't wait a few months to get married if you've known each other for a year!
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you can't answer simple questions because you story sounds questionable even to you!
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quote:You went there only for 2 months for language training? I have looked into different programs in Cairo a few run for 6 weeks. But not many.
Where did I say I went there for language training? I did not. And if I was there for 2 months, why couldn't I have taken a 6 week course and 2 weeks vacation? But still that is not why I went. Also, you don't know much. There are many places that let you study as long as you want. Where did I say I was in Cairo. Wrong again.
quote:What online language organization is this? I want to see it for myself!
HMMMMMM I met him through www.mylanguageexchange.com I met a lot of people through it. I visited several of them. Men and women alike. But I was a good girl, and never met men without several people around. Sorry to disappoint you.
I never said that I went there becaue of a language organization. LOL
quote:He's "stationed" in KSA, what is he military? My FIL worked in KSA for 8 years in the ministry of religion he had 10 days off every month. I can't believe you can't wait a few months to get married if you've known each other for a year!
No he's not military. If you knew as much about me as you thought you did, you would know he is a doctor.
He is moving this weekend to where he is to be stationed. He doesn't have all the details about everything yet. It is also well known that your contract may say you work so and so, but in reality you have to work a lot more. It is also well known that a lot of times Egyptians are not treated well in KSA. Another reason he is not sure of how much time off he will have at a time or when. Since he hasn't even started his actual job yet, he really doesn't know. Time will tell. But it doesn't matter. Like I said, we are looking at ALL our options. What's wrong with finding those things out? Nothing. If it would be easier and quicker to marry another way, we would like to know about it. I personally prefer to know all my options before making a decision.
After marrying, it's obvious that I wont be able to go to KSA with him right away. So if we spent a week in Egypt, rushing around taking care of details, we wouldn't have much time together. He doesn't even know if he will have a week off at one time. Yes you get a certain amount of days on a contract. That is not always the case in reality. He first has to work the job for a while to find out. What's so fishy about that?
Who said anything about waiting a few months? I don't get you. He is there for 2 yrs. We don't know when we will marry. We are trying to learn our options, and find out the easiest way. Also so that we can have more time together. It would take a while for me to get into KSA. Obviously if we just married why wouldn't we want as much time together as possible?
Yes we have known each other a long time. Like I said we were friends for a long time before we got into this kind of relationship.
Really Sono. You need to quit making up stuff about people. You have not pegged one thing right about me yet. Your making a fool of yourself. Posts: 2133 | From: Redneckland | Registered: Oct 2006
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quote:you can't answer simple questions because you story sounds questionable even to you!
What do you mean? What simple questions am I not answering? My story is not questionable to anyone but you.
OMG!!!!!!!!!! You don't make sense with the truth...............so you make things up to suit you. You're better than my ex-husband at that. LOL
Stick to the facts Sono..........not your made up ones.
Problem here is you are not provide "facts" and I am only asking questions.
Questions you won't answer because it would shed a doubtful light on your situation.
Seriously what is the odds that after you go through with this that you continue to post at these egy-boards?
How many women in these long-distance, online or vacation relationships post after their egy-guys arrive?
The few that do, don't positive or negative details, they post nothing but comments on others.
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Sheba76, I am sorry to tell you but you just fell victim to Sonomania. She created much turmoil in the past on this board, attacked other members and pressed personal information out of them.
She's not letting go of you, believe me. From now on everytime you will have a 'disagreement' (to say nicely) with her on this forum she will throw personal information back at you but not the original stuff you told her, no unfortunately not. She's changing the facts as much as she likes......
Please don't take her serious.
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