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[38] Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: [39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [40] And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. [41] And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. [42] Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. [43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? [48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
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Now there is a final reason I think that Jesus says, "Love your enemies." It is this: that love has within it a redemptive power. And there is a power there that eventually transforms individuals. That’s why Jesus says, "Love your enemies." Because if you hate your enemies, you have no way to redeem and to transform your enemies. But if you love your enemies, you will discover that at the very root of love is the power of redemption. You just keep loving people and keep loving them, even though they’re mistreating you. Here’s the person who is a neighbor, and this person is doing something wrong to you and all of that. Just keep being friendly to that person. Keep loving them. Don’t do anything to embarrass them. Just keep loving them, and they can’t stand it too long. Oh, they react in many ways in the beginning. They react with bitterness because they’re mad because you love them like that. They react with guilt feelings, and sometimes they’ll hate you a little more at that transition period, but just keep loving them. And by the power of your love they will break down under the load. That’s love, you see. It is redemptive, and this is why Jesus says love. There’s something about love that builds up and is creative. There is something about hate that tears down and is destructive. So love your enemies.
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Israel is doing what it feels it needs to do to get the terror stopped. Hamas and other palestinian groups have unrealistic goals and these groups are going to have to be destroyed if their is to be any peace. The palestinians were offered a state in '99 and turned it down. the only thing they seem to understand is brute force. The next step will be to remove the Palestinian government and rule by martial law. Nobody wants to see it come to that but it seems like that is where we are headed.
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When we look at America's failure in all diplomacy and refusal to negotiate with any state (from ally to enemy) and with the examples of Iraq, Israel in Gaza, and North Korea and Iran running in the nuclear wild today, there is no other conclusion: the Neo-conservatives simply wish to profit from the war, death, and destruction that they engender.
quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: Israel is doing what it feels it needs to do to get the terror stopped. Hamas and other palestinian groups have unrealistic goals and these groups are going to have to be destroyed if their is to be any peace. The palestinians were offered a state in '99 and turned it down. the only thing they seem to understand is brute force. The next step will be to remove the Palestinian government and rule by martial law. Nobody wants to see it come to that but it seems like that is where we are headed.
The use of military force to scare a civilian population for political ends--in this case, to pressure the Palestinian Authority or undermine the Hamas government--is the very definition of state terrorism.
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There is a distincton between modern terrorism and a military operation. Hamas and groups like them use military force because they lack the military power and assets to fight any other way. You don't see the terror gouls in Iraq stepping out to face our army, they cannot because it would be instant defeat. They fight from worm holes and use car bombs and suicide bombers. The truth is smuckers that if this keeps up here will be no Hamas government. Israel has already said that and several of the hamas ministers (if you can call them that) are already under arrest.
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quote:Originally posted by mike rozier: lets give israel the north pole and palestinians the south pole...and give israel and gaza/west bank/ect..to the eskomos..
it's the only peaceful solution I can think of.
If Israel follows the Internationl Human Rights convention treaties or even Geneva POW right convention, then 90% of the sh*t that happens wouldn't.
Its like the British in South Africa claiming the apartheid was good for Africans.
and sucide bombing is considered good according to 4 out of 5 doctors?
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You just don't consider Arab Muslims people do you?
You like killing, for the sake of killing.
no I beleive in tunneling into peoples land then , lobbing grenades and bombs..
it is OK for people to come from all over the earth and do mascarades in palestine and claim right for the land they haven't seen before .. I don't see u talk about that now or mascarades is lost over time let me remind you with the black history of zionism .. and they shouldn't try to resist them .. not only that when they fight back there military it is a terrorism .. look who is talking about terror .. whom had brought the fear to this land and the nearby country .. and you talk about terror ..
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Thats the only realistic outlook mike. Palestinans seem to be doing everything they can to make sure they come up with nothing. After they turned down the peace deal in '99 and after i saw them cheering in the streets after 9/11 I say screw 'em. they may be too ignorant in a literal sense to form a civil government and live with the rest of the world community.
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Good morning. Got this from Israeli newspaper 'Haaretz' Have a good day.
"Since most of our readers seem to be under the impression Israel has a right to the land I like to educate them how the -promised people- inquired this land: By GENOCIDE: Let me remind you:
Massacre of -Baldat Al-Sheikh- village, December 3, 1947. On that day the Jewish ?Hagannah - gangs broke into -Baldat El-Shiekh- village and killed massacred the 60 unarmed Palestinians who mostly stayed at home
2- Sa-sa village massacre on February 15, 1948 The armed Jewish attacked the village and bombed 20 houses with their people.
3- The -Abu Kbeer- village massacre, March 31, 1948. This massacre was perpetrated by terrorists of Hagannah gang, killing people as they tried to escape from their houses
4- The ?Lydia-, July 11, 1948. This massacre was perpetrated by an Israeli commandos unit led by Moshe Dayan. When the Palestinians tried to take shelter at the Dahmash mosque, the Israeli attacked them and killed 176 citizens inside the mosque. The number of people killed at that night hit 426.
5- Massacre of ?Albyoon- village, October 29, 1948. The village was attacked by Israeli forces on October 29, 1948. The forces ordered the people to gather in the main square and shot them randomly.
6- The Massacre of -Al-Bana- and -Dair Al-Asad- villages. Israeli forces besieged the two villages and ordered the citizens through microphones to gather in the plain land in between the two villages. The massacre started with killing the young people first. As described by a UN observer: -Brutal killing was carried out without the least provocation or indication of fury on the part of unarmed citizens - .
7- The massacre of ?Qalqelya- village, October 10, 1948. A group of Israeli settlers under the protection of Israeli forces attacked the village that lay on the green line between Israel and the West Bank. When the people defied death boldly, Israel used airplanes and heavy artillery to facilitate its attack and perpetrated a massacre where more than 70 were killed.
That does not even include the famous one Sharon committed in Lebanon.
And now we can include the Gaza massacre to the endless list. - Palestine has been defending their little plot of land since 1947/48 ever since the ?Holocaust- Jews decided : -Your land is my land-. "
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i wathced the video ,felt a little sick but i have seen worse done b both sides ,but has a muslim and living in the uk ,im deeply offended by our goverment for not trying to help sort this situation out but then it wudnt be in americas interest if we did that ,too uch power given to the AK 47 not enough reading of scriptures i can see wy they want to rerite the torah and quran some people the GUN has become GOD!!,BUT I PICKED THIS QUOTE FROM ONE OF THE READERS AND I THINK IT SUMS IT ALL '
''Zionists have another saying, "divide and conquer". Saudi Arabian royal family was put in power by britain and they support anti-Islamic radicals like Al-Qaeda. the only islamic country supporting strongly the unity of arabs and muslims is Iran, led by Imam Ali Khaminei (Dama Zhullu). The true enemy of the Zionists and US conservative replublicans... ,W/S,FRIENDS
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ah, the complexitues of international relations r.i.p.r.. the UK has no reson to support the Palestinians, what would they gain. The big ugly sevret that we all know but don't want to face yet is that the palestinians are going to have to be moved. They are to ignorant to comprehend the position they are in. yesterday on the news a young israeli woman summed it up when she said, "for twice my life the palestinians have been committing acts of terror. Enough is enough. It is the fault of their men women and children and they all need to go." I'm affraid that she is correct. The world doesn't care anymore, they are weary of the palestinians and their problems and terror.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: ah, the complexitues of international relations r.i.p.r.. the UK has no reson to support the Palestinians, what would they gain. The big ugly sevret that we all know but don't want to face yet is that the palestinians are going to have to be moved. They are to ignorant to comprehend the position they are in. yesterday on the news a young israeli woman summed it up when she said, "for twice my life the palestinians have been committing acts of terror. Enough is enough. It is the fault of their men women and children and they all need to go." I'm affraid that she is correct. The world doesn't care anymore, they are weary of the palestinians and their problems and terror.
Show me something from the israli side and try to compare it to this video. If u can then i will accept what ever u say.
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quote:Originally posted by r.i.p.R: i wathced the video ,felt a little sick but i have seen worse done b both sides ,but has a muslim and living in the uk ,im deeply offended by our goverment for not trying to help sort this situation out but then it wudnt be in americas interest if we did that ,too uch power given to the AK 47 not enough reading of scriptures i can see wy they want to rerite the torah and quran some people the GUN has become GOD!!,BUT I PICKED THIS QUOTE FROM ONE OF THE READERS AND I THINK IT SUMS IT ALL '
''Zionists have another saying, "divide and conquer". Saudi Arabian royal family was put in power by britain and they support anti-Islamic radicals like Al-Qaeda. the only islamic country supporting strongly the unity of arabs and muslims is Iran, led by Imam Ali Khaminei (Dama Zhullu). The true enemy of the Zionists and US conservative replublicans... ,W/S,FRIENDS
r.i.p.R , don't worry too much about it....it's much bigger than you or me, or palistine or israel, or the US or the eu...
this is biblical...
look at the cold war....a long conflict..but today, I don't think theres any hatred (heck I never remember hateing any russian people, they just seemed to me like pawns under a nut case dictators like stalin, half way around the world with nukes) ....bridges were burnt, then mended...you don't seee this happening between palistinians and jews...in fact...
And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it....
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord....
And they...shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luke 19:41; 13:34-35; 21:24
Jerusalem is undisputably, year after year, the top news story in the world. That fact reflects the fulfillment of multiple prophecies concerning this remarkable city and its unique place in Gods will. The ongoing actualization of these prophecies in our day is absolute proof that God exists, that the Bible is His Word and that the Jews are His chosen people.
The very fact that Jerusalem is mentioned more than 800 times in the Bible makes it worthy of special attention. This unique city is the only one upon which God has bestowed His distinctive blessing and protection (Ps 132:13-14), and the only city for whose peace we are commanded to pray (Ps 122:6). God says He has chosen Jerusalem as the place where He has put His name forever (2 Chr 6:6; 33:7; Ps 46:4; 48:1-8; 87:3). The new heavens and new earth will contain "the city of my God...new Jerusalem" (Rv 3:12; 21:2). That there will be a "heavenly Jerusalem" (Heb 12:22) but no "heavenly" New York, Paris, London, Damascus, Cairo, etc. speaks volumes.
After decades of pleading with Israel to repent of its idolatrous rebellion, God pronounced through Jeremiah His reluctant judgment upon His city and upon His land (Lv 25:23). Daniel referred to "the word of the Lord...to Jeremiah the prophet" (Jer 25:3-11), that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem" (Dn 9:2).
Two views (the second is correct) define the prophesied 70 years of desolations: 1) that it began with the first taking of captives to Babylon about 605 b.c (2 Chr 36:6-7) and ended with the Edict of Cyrus around 536 b.c. (Ezr 1:1-4, etc.), allowing Jews to return to Jerusalem; or 2) that it began with the destruction of the temple and the city in 586 b.c. (Jer 52:7-14) and ended with the temples completion about 516 b.c.
That the temple was restored and sacrifices resumed at the end of 70 years is established history. The angel Gabriel told Daniel that after the Messiah had come and been "cut off" (i.e., killed, "but not for himself") the temple and Jerusalem would be destroyed again (Dn 9:25-26). This post-Messiah destruction would leave the Jews for "many days without a king...and without a sacrifice..." (Hos 3:4). Obviously, something would prevent the temple from being rebuilt! As quoted above, Jesus explained that the Gentiles would control Jerusalem.
For 1,930 years since the a.d. 70 destruction of the temple, Christs words (proving that He is God the Messiah - Isa 9:6). have been fulfilled in history, and their continued fulfillment today is at the heart of the Middle East crisis. Control of Jerusalem was the major issue breaking down recent peace talks at Camp David. Sadly, neither the Israelis nor the Arabs in their "peace" negotiations give heed to what God has decreed for His land and His city. Were the world to take the Bible seriously, real peace would be instantly established. UN secretary-general Boutros Boutros-Ghali expressed the worlds true intent toward Israel: "The Jews must give up their status as a nation and Israel as a state, and assimilate as a community in the Arab world."
Popes throughout history have opposed Gods prophecies and promises concerning Jerusalem. The Crusaders captured Jerusalem from the Muslims for the Church, not to restore it to the Jews to whom God, as the Bible repeatedly declares, had given it as a possession forever (Gn 13:14-15; 17:8; Lv 25:23; Jer 31:35-40; Ezk 37:26, etc.). Pope Urban II, organizing the First Crusade in 1096, called the Jews "an accursed race, utterly alienated from God" and urged the Crusaders to "start upon the road to the Holy Sepulchre to wrest that land from the wicked race and subject it to yourselves." Urban IIs offer of full forgiveness of sins for Crusade participants brought forth hordes of volunteers who, under the banner of the Cross, massacred Christs earthly brethren, the Jews, by the thousands all along the route to Jerusalem. The Crusade leader, Godfrey of Bouillon, vowed to avenge the blood of Jesus upon the Jews, leaving not one alive. Upon taking the City of David, the Crusaders chased the Jews into the synagogue and set it ablaze.
Coming to modern times, Theodor Herzl records in his diary that when in 1904 he asked Pope Pius X to support the Zionist cause, the Pope replied, "We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it." In 1919, Cardinal Pietro Gasparri, Vatican Secretary of State, said, "The danger that frightens us the most is that of the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine." A 1928 Vatican decree refers to Jews as "the people formerly chosen by God." The Second Vatican Council in 1965 affirmed the centuries-old claim that "the Church is the new people of God...." We have quoted [TBC, Sep. 99] the June 22, 1943 letter to President Roosevelt from Pope Pius XII which said in part, "If a Hebrew Home is desired, it would not be too difficult to find a more fitting territory than Palestne. With an increase in the Jewish population there, grave new problems would arise." So the "vicars of Christ" and their Church have consistently opposed the fulfillment of Gods promises to His chosen people!
That Jerusalem would be "trodden down of the Gentiles" has been a fact of history, exactly as Christ foretold. The Babylonians held Jerusalem, then the Medes and Persians. Alexander the Great took it for the Greeks in 333 b.c. Later the Egyptians and Syrians alternately had it until the Romans under Pompey captured Israel in 64 b.c. and held it into the fourth century a.d. In the seventh century Islamic invaders took control, to be replaced near the end of the eleventh century by the Crusaders. They held Jerusalem until Saladin (Sultan of Egypt and great Muslim warrior) retook the city in 1187. Later the Islamic Mamelukes of Egypt possessed Jerusalem. Then the Ottoman-Turkish Empire ruled for about 400 years. The Turks sided with Germany in World War I, so the Allied victors gave Britain a mandate in 1917 to administer the region.
Central to the Middle East conflict today is the issue of the so-called Palestinian people. The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), headed by Yasser Arafat since 1969, claims to represent them. To this day, the PLO declares, "The struggle with the Zionist enemy is not a struggle about Israels borders, but about Israels existence."
The PLO is an Islamic terrorist organization. It trained most terrorists around the world: Idi Amins murder gangs who killed about 300,000 black Christians in Uganda; the Italian Red Brigades; German Baader-Meinhof gang; the Iranian Revolutionary Guards; terrorists in Latin America, etc. Arafat committed his first murder at age 20. Under him the PLO became the most vicious and bloodiest terrorist organization ever known. It holds records for the biggest hijacking (4 aircraft at once), the largest number of hostages (300 at one time), the largest ransom extorted ($5 million from Lufthansa) and the greatest number and variety of targets (40 civilian aircraft, five passenger ships, 30 embassies or diplomatic missions, and massacres of school children), etc. The Palestinian Prize for Culture was recently awarded to Abu Daoud for his book telling how he planned and murdered eleven Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics!
The PLOs terrorism against Jordanian civilians was so vicious that King Hussein chased them into Lebanon. There the PLO wiped out the Christian towns of Damur, Beit Mallat, Tall Abbas and others. Its reign of terror went largely unreported. The international press was cowed into silence by the brutal murder of those who dared to tell the truth: Larry Buchman and Sean Toolan of ABC-TV, Mark Tryon of "Free Belgium Radio," Robert Pfeffer of Der Spiegel and others. About 300,000 Lebanese civilians were murdered in the PLOs rape of that country before the Israelis expelled them. Yet Israel was painted the villain!
Incredibly, Arafat and his PLO murderers have been sanitized and lionized by world media. John Pauls recent trip to Bethlehem was in response to Arafats invitation to join him there to celebrate "our Jesus Christ." Our Jesus Christ? Arafat says Jesus was a Palestinian freedom fighter against Israel, and the Pope smiles and blesses him! John Paul II has warmly received Arafat in Rome many times. This ruthless, sadistic terrorist and murderer was given the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994 and is honored as the champion of justice for the Palestinian people.
Palestinians? There never was a Palestinian people, nation, language, culture, or religion. The claim of descent from a Palestinian people who lived for thousands of years in a land called Palestine is a hoax! That land was Canaan, inhabited by Canaanites, whom God destroyed because of their wickedness. Canaan became the land of Israel given by God to His people.
Those who today call themselves Palestinians are Arabs by birth, language, and culture, and are close relatives to Arabs in surrounding countries from whence mostof them came, attracted by Israels prosperity. The name Palestine comes from the Philistines, who were not Semites, but invaded Canaan from Crete and parts of Asia Minor. Yet Arafat, an Arab, claims that ancestry.
In a.d. 130, the Romans rebuilt Jerusalem as a pagan city with a temple to Jupiter where the Jewish temple had stood. Provoked to rebellion, about 500,000 Jews were killed and thousands sold into slavery. The Romans angrily renamed Israel "Syria Palaestina." Jews living there became known as Palestinians. During World War II, the British Army had a Palestinian Brigade made up entirely of Jewish volunteers. The Palestinian Symphony Orchestra was all Jewish, and The Palestine Post was a Jewish newspaper.
In 1948, Arabs who had fled from Israel (attacking Arab nations had broadcast, "All Arabs get out!") began to claim they were the true Palestinians and that the land of Israel had always belonged to them. World media eagerly promotes that lie. Yet in 1948, Arabs owned a mere 3 percent of so-called Palestine.
Israels claim to the land goes back 4,000 years to Abrahams purchase of the cave of Machpelah in Hebron. There Sarah, Abraham, Isaac, Rebecca, Jacob and Leah are buried. In Hebron David was crowned king. This sacred Jewish site has no relationship to Arabs or Muslims. Yet Muslims claim Hebron as their own, built a mosque to keep Jews and Christians from visiting the cave, and are determined to drive out every Jewish resident.
For 3,000 years Jerusalem was the capital of Israel. Temple Mount on the summit of Mount Moriah is the heart of Jerusalem. This 35-acre parcel arouses such explosive passions that it could trigger World War III at any time. This is where Abraham built an altar to offer his son Isaac to God. That spot was purchased by King David from Ornan the Jebusite to build there an altar to God. There Solomon built the first temple. In its place now sits the Dome of the Rock, a monument to Islams unbiblical and irrational claim that Abraham offered, not Isaac, but Ishmael.
Perpetuating a Muslim lie, Ikrema Sabri, mufti of Jerusalem, declared again early this August that the Temple Mount is Islamic and "not subject to negotiations." Given its 3,000-year Jewish history and importance to Christians, on what basis should Muslims control this site? That Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran exposes the lie of Islams claim to any part of Jerusalem as a holy site.
Today we see the continuing fulfillment of Christs remarkable prophecy that Jerusalem would be "trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled" (Lk 21:24). UN Resolution 181 in 1947, supported by the Vatican, declared that Jerusalem must remain an international city. Israels Knesset is there. But nations locate their embassies elsewhere in Israel. No other country is forbidden to decide its own capital! The European Union repeatedly says it "does not recognize Israels sovereignty" over Jerusalem. By what right do Gentile nations claim Jerusalem as their international city?
In 1998, the Vaticans foreign minister called the Israeli presence in East Jerusalem "illegal occupation." In a papal bull on the Year 2000 Jubilee, John Paul II again rejected Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem. In mid-February 2000, the Vatican signed an agreement with the PLO calling for "international guarantees" to keep Jerusalem under international control.
Muslim nations have spent billions since the Yom Kippur War for missiles carrying a variety of deadly warheads. These are not defensive weapons. They exist for one purpose: to rain death and destruction upon Israel, so that Muslims can possess the land God promised the Jews. The new borders imposed by the Oslo Accords (1993) allow Katyusha rockets to be moved to within deadly range of Israels narrow heartland which holds 70 percent of the Jewish population, 80 percent of its industry, its only international airport and its mst important military installations.
As the "peace process" continues, Arabs murder and torch the homes of fellow Arabs suspected of cooperating with Israel. Muslim terrorists who kill Jews are honored with streets and holidays named after them! Yet Israelis dream on of peace with those who have sworn to exterminate them! An ad in The Jerusalem Post for "The Jerusalem Heights Penthouses" reads, "As Close to Heaven as You Can Ever Get."
When will "the times of the Gentiles" end? Clearly, not until the Gentile nations are defeated at Armageddon. Just ahead lies "the time of Jacobs trouble" (Jer 30:7). The armies of the world, led by Anti-christ, will be brought to Armageddon by Jahweh to punish them for mistreatment of His people Israel (Ezk 38:16-18)--and to discipline Israel for her unbelief.
No wonder Christ wept over Jerusalem! For 1,900 years, as Hosea foretold, Jews have had no sacrifices for sin. We are driven to one of two conclusions: either God has abandoned them--or the Messiahs once-for-all death for sin has fulfilled and replaced animal sacrifices. Let us pray that Israel will awaken to the truth.
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No doubt a bunch of Italians will soon be marching into London, demanding their country back. Or Vikings, come on Tibe, just because you were chased out of Europe in the year dot doesn't mean you can't ask for it back.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: ah, the complexitues of international relations r.i.p.r.. the UK has no reson to support the Palestinians, what would they gain. The big ugly sevret that we all know but don't want to face yet is that the palestinians are going to have to be moved. They are to ignorant to comprehend the position they are in. yesterday on the news a young israeli woman summed it up when she said, "for twice my life the palestinians have been committing acts of terror. Enough is enough. It is the fault of their men women and children and they all need to go." I'm affraid that she is correct. The world doesn't care anymore, they are weary of the palestinians and their problems and terror.
"Doubt is often the beginning of wisdom." (Dr. M. Scott Peck)
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quote:Originally posted by mike rozier: That Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran exposes the lie of Islams claim to any part of Jerusalem as a holy site.
Your an idiot, u dont know nothing about the quran.
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Don't take him seriously,Multi.. this guy is the only person in the world who thinks GWB is smart. He lives in a parallel reality.
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Mike must sit up nights in his trailer trawling through his bible looking for loopholes to justify the nazism of Irael. You don't need to find vague references in Ezekial etc, much of what has been happening there is simple vengeance for the holocaust.Every jew/Iraeli I have asked have made reference to it to justify how they act now, and not only to silence critisism. Crazy I know, but we live in a crazy world these days.
I have long suspected that all this rubbish about Jerusalem etc in the bible was inserted by the vatican to justify the crusades.
oooh Lebanon now.... 'and so it goes...'
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quote:Originally posted by mike rozier: That Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran exposes the lie of Islams claim to any part of Jerusalem as a holy site.
lol oh, you've read the Qur'an ? Posts: 13440 | Registered: Feb 2006
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I suspect Mike hasn't read the Qu'ran at all but just blurts what he's only heard about it. Posts: 26286 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: redshift, our electorial system was not "hijacked twice," we had a couple of close elections. In 1960 when we had another close election it was the republicans accusing the democrats of stealing the election.
First in 1960 Kennedy was still an elected president. If you remember in 2000 we did not have an elected president, we had an appointed one. 1960 was not the only case. There have been many close calls where both groups accused each other of similar BS but the situation regarding the last two elections are far different. If you don’t agree with me, I would suggest you study up computerized voting and then make up your mind. Also the systematic manner in which voters were disallowed to vote (such as claims of criminality, which months later were cleared as mistakes by the state) thousands of voters were rejected in this manner in Florida alone. Whole ballot boxes which were not even picked up let alone counted and many more methods. If you are not aware of this then you need to take your head out of your ass turn off cnn, fox, msnbc and read up a little. 1960 and 2000, 2004 not comparable
quote: Even if the elections had gone the other way our mideast policy would have been the same.
I never made any claim that our policy would have been any different. I was simply making an observation that a non democratically elected government is championing democracy to other nations. So your correct our policy would not have been different regardless of who wins the election (because the government does not run the country corporations i.e. chevron, Halliburton and so on, are really at the healm) the election just decides on which group of people will get the trickling down of dollars.
quote: As for Palestine there would be no gain for the United States in supporting the Palestinians. Israel is a solid and dependable american ally in the region. In fact, next to the British Israel has been, and I suspect will continue to be our closest ally.
yes that’s obvious, Israel is a longtime pal of america. What you should be asking is why America is so interlinked with Israel. America has for years supported and allied itself with a nation if it served its interest and distanced itself when it no longer did. But why is it so different with Israel?
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quote: wathced the video ,felt a little sick but i have seen worse done b both sides ,but has a muslim and living in the uk ,im deeply offended by our goverment for not trying to help sort this situation out but then it wudnt be in americas interest if we did that ,too uch power given to the AK 47 not enough reading of scriptures i can see wy they want to rerite the torah and quran some people the GUN has become GOD!!,BUT I PICKED THIS QUOTE FROM ONE OF THE READERS AND I THINK IT SUMS IT ALL '
''Zionists have another saying, "divide and conquer". Saudi Arabian royal family was put in power by britain and they support anti-Islamic radicals like Al-Qaeda. the only islamic country supporting strongly the unity of arabs and muslims is Iran, led by Imam Ali Khaminei (Dama Zhullu). The true enemy of the Zionists and US conservative replublicans... ,W/S,FRIENDS
as another Muslim in the UK, let me correct that myth, because an incorrect statement doesn't sum up anything. Saudi Royals do not support Al Qaeda because Al Qaeda is fighting for a global Islamic State, uniting all muslims under the White flag. Whereas the Saudi Royals want their hereditary monarchy to continue, Al Qaeda want a Caliph elected by the scholars. And Khomeini doesnt unite the Muslim or Arab world but only the shi'ite, because Khomeini's beliefs are worlds apart from the rest. His belief was in Imaamat. Also the name he chose was "Ruhulla" which is the soul of Allah, and in Islam this is a big sin, because you align yourself with God (shirk).
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