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Khafra:

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Hemiunu:

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What is a Caucasian?

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Khafra: has a flat nose

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Hemiunu: obviously retouched
http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/new_pyramid/PYRAMIDS/HTML/el_pyramid_hemiunu.htm[i]
"The shape of the eyes and nose, badly damaged by ancient robbers, has been restored."

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Yeah, pharaohs are supposed to be Sun Gods or was it Guard?

If it's going to be sizzling outside, they might as well be brownies. [Roll Eyes]

But talk is cheap. Who knows what these two really ware. Might need to travel back in time.

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So by this posters logic we can safely say that all statues with Black features are Bantu Black Africans.

So this greek statue is of a Black person?

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^ Could easily be. If a Bantu man screwed his white mother nice and hard and a baby boy popped out sometime after said event.

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al-Takruri beat me to it.

Khafre's profile fits that of many black men:

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The Hemiunu bust has been restored:

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Derkyperky whats your thoughts on...

khafras brother

http://euler.slu.edu/~bart/egyptianhtml/kings%20and%20Queens/Djedefre.html

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^Notice the Stupid Nazi Nigrocentric imitators can only think in binary terms of black/white when reality is in many shades. I dare you dimwits to define a race by skin color or any other phenotype in scientific terms only. BTW, you guys do a pathetic job at imitating Nigrocentrics because I have debated with real ones in person in Detroit(Home of SaraSutenSeti and many clonal clowns like him).

Look at this Autosomal DNA profile(Figure 3: Population structure inferred by ADMIXTURE analysis)and tell us who the modern Egyptians(and thus AE) most closely resemble. Shared colors between ethnic groups represent shared genetic ancestry. Egyptians are most similar to other North Africans, SW Eurasians and NOT at all to your ancestors - the Bantus, Mandenkas, Yorubans, Anglos or Germans, MORONS.

Genomewide comparison of Jews and Non-Jews -

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7303/abs/nature09103.html#supplementary-information

H.L. Gates, "And they(AE)did not look like Michael Jordan, OK." -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piQ_M2XJ3g8

Green Eyed/Red Skinned Sphinx (Khufu or Khafra)-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW0DSmCmngY

'JEW NOSED' SPHINX -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIXPi8wiSWI

Young 'JEW NOSED' Hemiunu at the bottom of the page -

http://racialreality.110mb.com/egypt_nubia.html

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^ the holocaust was a myth.
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NonProphet - You start your post by lambasting no-scientific methods, and then have the nerve to say:

Look at this Autosomal DNA profile Population structure inferred by ADMIXTURE analysis, and tell us who the modern Egyptians(and thus AE) most closely resemble. Shared colors between ethnic groups represent shared genetic ancestry. Egyptians are most similar to other North Africans, SW Eurasians.

Modern Egyptians, North Africans, as well as SW Eurasians (Levant and Anatolia) all share the same admixture: Greek, Roman, Turk - so of course they would show genetic similarity. And you want to compare THESE people to Ancient Egyptians???

WhiteBoy ass-hole, just who the hell do you think your White-boy bullsh1t is suppose to be fooling?

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
NonProphet - You start your post by lambasting no-scientific methods, and then have the nerve to say:

Look at this Autosomal DNA profile Population structure inferred by ADMIXTURE analysis, and tell us who the modern Egyptians(and thus AE) most closely resemble. Shared colors between ethnic groups represent shared genetic ancestry. Egyptians are most similar to other North Africans, SW Eurasians.

Modern Egyptians, North Africans, as well as SW Eurasians (Levant and Anatolia) all share the same admixture: Greek, Roman, Turk - so of course they would show genetic similarity. And you want to compare THESE people to Ancient Egyptians???

WhiteBoy ass-hole, just who the hell do you think your White-boy bullsh1t is suppose to be fooling?

Never mind, on reflection the answer is obvious. You are trying to fool the same people as the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York.

They had the nerve to put a White face on a Black man, under the guise of telling history. So I guess that all White people must feel so empowered. But know this, if I could, they would be asked to account for that bit of bullsh1t racism, just like you.


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Quote: "The statue originally was painted. The shape of the eyes and nose, badly damaged by ancient robbers, has been restored. The eyes were once inlaid in gold frames with rock crystal and would have shown in a lifelike way."

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
NonProphet - You start your post by lambasting no-scientific methods, and then have the nerve to say:

Look at this Autosomal DNA profile Population structure inferred by ADMIXTURE analysis, and tell us who the modern Egyptians(and thus AE) most closely resemble. Shared colors between ethnic groups represent shared genetic ancestry. Egyptians are most similar to other North Africans, SW Eurasians.

Modern Egyptians, North Africans, as well as SW Eurasians (Levant and Anatolia) all share the same admixture: Greek, Roman, Turk - so of course they would show genetic similarity. And you want to compare THESE people to Ancient Egyptians???

WhiteBoy ass-hole, just who the hell do you think your White-boy bullsh1t is suppose to be fooling?

Your Nazi punk. Anytime you want to roll and get embarrased physically and intellectually by one Dago Wop Jew at my MMA central Florida gym(just give me a date/time and I'll give you the address). We need more punching bags, oops, I mean sparring partners like you anyways pussy boy.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
NonProphet - You start your post by lambasting no-scientific methods, and then have the nerve to say:

Look at this Autosomal DNA profile Population structure inferred by ADMIXTURE analysis, and tell us who the modern Egyptians(and thus AE) most closely resemble. Shared colors between ethnic groups represent shared genetic ancestry. Egyptians are most similar to other North Africans, SW Eurasians.

Modern Egyptians, North Africans, as well as SW Eurasians (Levant and Anatolia) all share the same admixture: Greek, Roman, Turk - so of course they would show genetic similarity. And you want to compare THESE people to Ancient Egyptians???

WhiteBoy ass-hole, just who the hell do you think your White-boy bullsh1t is suppose to be fooling?

Modern Egyptians are the closest living descendants of the AE, IDIOT. Name any other ethnic group outside Egypt who are closer to AE WITH a Genetic study to back up your bullshit, NAZI LOSER.
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^Failed at the intellectual battle, now you want to try the physical stuff??? Damn White-Boy, just because I'm smart enough to figure out your bullsh1t, doesn't mean that I'm not a Nigger at heart - wish I could get a piece of an ass-hole racist White boy like you.
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Quote: Modern Egyptians are the closest living descendants of the AE, IDIOT. Name any other ethnic group outside Egypt who are closer to AE WITH a Genetic study to back up your bullshit, NAZI LOSER.

Translation: Find a WHITE study that says that.

Damn White-boy, we are way past THAT bullsh1t!

Here's one for you, Find a BLACK study that agrees with you.

Ha ha ha ha - You really need to that that simple-minded White-boy bullsh1t somewhere else.

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quote:
Originally Originally posted by alTakruri:
Khafra: has a flat nose


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quote:
Originally posted by NonProphet:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
NonProphet - You start your post by lambasting no-scientific methods, and then have the nerve to say:

Look at this Autosomal DNA profile Population structure inferred by ADMIXTURE analysis, and tell us who the modern Egyptians(and thus AE) most closely resemble. Shared colors between ethnic groups represent shared genetic ancestry. Egyptians are most similar to other North Africans, SW Eurasians.

Modern Egyptians, North Africans, as well as SW Eurasians (Levant and Anatolia) all share the same admixture: Greek, Roman, Turk - so of course they would show genetic similarity. And you want to compare THESE people to Ancient Egyptians???

WhiteBoy ass-hole, just who the hell do you think your White-boy bullsh1t is suppose to be fooling?

Modern Egyptians are the closest living descendants of the AE, IDIOT. Name any other ethnic group outside Egypt who are closer to AE WITH a Genetic study to back up your bullshit, NAZI LOSER.
Rather easy - the Haratins.
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^ ...and the DNA study to back up your claims?
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G. Paoli, the ABO typing of the ancient Egyptians

I would note that more modern versions of this type of study has not included the Haratins.

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Serological (blood) evidence of genetic linkages. Paoli 1972 for example found a significant resemblance between ABO frequencies of dynastic Egyptians and the black northern Haratin who are held to be the probable descendants of the original Saharans (Hiernaux, 1975).

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^Blood group types are not the same as genetic evidence. Blood groups can be shared by various genetically unrelated groups. Try again.
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Osirion

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I remember seeing this pick a few years ago on this forum........Sadly what I see now is a Statue that was defaced by people who are trying to keep the lies of a "Pure" Greece alive.

It's sad that we have come to this, Society is hurting and this will not heal anything. [Frown]

Peace

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quote:
Originally posted by Derkyperky:
Khafra:

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Jep, his father was a real ''Caucasian'' too..

[Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by KING:

I remember seeing this pick a few years ago on this forum........Sadly what I see now is a Statue that was defaced by people who are trying to keep the lies of a "Pure" Greece alive.

It's sad that we have come to this, Society is hurting and this will not heal anything.

Peace

KING stop being so mealy-mouthed. Go ahead and say the truth clearly and concisely;

"Sadly what I see now is a Statue that was defaced by by White people who are trying to keep the lies of a "Pure" Greece alive. And the Sand Niggers do the same with statues in Egypt, North Africa, and western Asia. And the Chinese simply Hide theirs."

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quote:
Originally posted by NonProphet:
^Blood group types are not the same as genetic evidence. Blood groups can be shared by various genetically unrelated groups. Try again.

Wasn't just blod groups in the report. It also contained genetic studies. Read it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by KING:

I remember seeing this pick a few years ago on this forum........Sadly what I see now is a Statue that was defaced by people who are trying to keep the lies of a "Pure" Greece alive.

It's sad that we have come to this, Society is hurting and this will not heal anything.

Peace

KING stop being so mealy-mouthed. Go ahead and say the truth clearly and concisely;

"Sadly what I see now is a Statue that was defaced by by White people who are trying to keep the lies of a "Pure" Greece alive. And the Sand Niggers do the same with statues in Egypt, North Africa, and western Asia. And the Chinese simply Hide theirs."

Yes but the same can be said of those claiming a "Pure" Egypt.
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quote:
Originally posted by NonProphet:
^Blood group types are not the same as genetic evidence. Blood groups can be shared by various genetically unrelated groups. Try again.

I also think you have a basic problem - why would the Haratins have a closer match in blood groups than modern day Egyptians? Don't you find that to be an interesting puzzle? And we are talking about a people that live essentially in the SAME region. And lets not forget that you can say the same thing with genetics such as R1b being found in central Africa. However the report does discuss genetic markers but I think your best argument is that it is somewhat dated. Love to see an updated report.
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Hemiunu profile and some relatives:

Hemiunu restored:
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Authentic Hemiunu relief:
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Khufu:
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Huni:
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Khafre's profile:

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His profile does not fit that of a Caucasian. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Khafra: has a flat nose

This coming from a ESR mod?? LOL

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Hemiunu: obviously retouched
]http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/new_pyramid/PYRAMIDS/HTML/el_pyramid_hemiunu.htm
"The shape of the eyes and nose, badly damaged by ancient robbers, has been restored."


The FULL QUOTE(with my comments):

"Heimunu Seated. Giza; Fourth Dynasty, later reign of Khufu (ca. 2540 B.C.E.). Limestone with remains of paint; H. 61 1/4 in. (155.5 cm). Roemer-und Pelizaeus-Museum, Hildesheim (1962).

Heimunu was one of the most important individuals of the Old Kingdom. A long list of his titles is inlaid in now-partially discolored pastes on the base of the statue. He names himself "King's son of his own body"—though he is perhaps Khufu's nephew rather than his son—and cites numerous priestly roles and high administrative offices, including "Overseer of every construction project of the kind," a title that today is often understood as an architect. In this capacity, Heimunu would have supervised the construction of Khufu's Great Pyramid as well as this truly remarkable portrait. The statue originally was painted(RED). The shape of the eyes and nose, badly damaged by ancient robbers, has been restored. The eyes were once inlaid in gold frames with rock crystal(Turquoise green/blue) and would have shown in a lifelike way. Realistic details abound: most remarkable is Heimunu's proud obesity."

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Architect Hemiunu of the Great Pyramid at Giza

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xjcKaTSW8&feature=related

http://racialreality.110mb.com/egypt_nubia_files/egyptian02.jpg

You Bigots used to say ALL AE were Black/White, now you guys say the original and/or most were Black/White and eventually you'll come to the truth that only a small minority were in AE.

Egyptology Professor Bob Brier talks about you Bigots and AE -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEvPyasK78I&feature=related

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^Bob Brier doesn't know what he is talking about

In his TTC lecture, he says the Nubian language ''sounds'' African, to contrast it with the ancient Egyptian language. No linguist would say that, as AE itself is African as well, just like it's culture is.

He also seems to believe, without presenting evidence, that Ramses II is the Pharao of the biblical exodus. Oh no I forgot, he actually does present evidence, namely, that some of his sons died early, (Like the Pharao's firstborn did in Genesis) and that he took a more reserved public posture later in life, implying that it could have been the result of the devastating loss of Moses and his people leaving AE.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
^Bob Brier doesn't know what he is talking about

In his TTC lecture, he says the Nubian language ''sounds'' African, to contrast it with the ancient Egyptian language. No linguist would say that, as AE itself is African as well, just like it's culture is.

He also seems to believe, without presenting evidence, that Ramses II is the Pharao of the biblical exodus. Oh no I forgot, he actually does present evidence, namely, that some of his sons died early, (Like the Pharao's firstborn did in Genesis) and that he took a more reserved public posture later in life, implying that it could have been the result of the devastating loss of Moses and his people leaving AE.

Stick to B-ball because you don't even know that Sneferu is the father of Khufu and grandfather of Khafra.
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In my honest opinion:

quote:
Originally posted by Siptah:
Khafre's profile:

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The above pictures are not a profile view. A profile view is a side view and in a side yiew you can most clearly see the shape of a nose.
In the above Khafra looks possibly Negroid. I'm not going to use the term black or brown because the statue is unpainted. All of you should be aware you have been caught in a trap. You all are discussing features here on an unpainted statue.
So either the term "black" is a new word for Negroid which includes features or it is not. But it's too late for you to use the color only definition at this point.
And you assume that features must mean something. Therefore you are talking about race. Ok I'll play this game. _________________________________________________


quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Khafra: has a flat nose

alTakruri was out to lunch with this comment talking about the below profile view. Khafra's nose is no more flat than the earth. In my opinion his nose is not an African nose. Find a tribe in Africa that has this type of nose. For instance it is unlike Ethiopian noses that hook down somewhat as similar to some Semites. In addition Ethiopians who this type of nose have an elongated type oval shaped head which narrows in the lower half of the head. Khafra does not have that elongated type of head.
The scale of his nose is also medium large in proportion to his face unlike the unusual green shirt man picture that someone is likely to post. Green shirt man's nose is small in proportion to his head, it's not a match.

Khafra's jaw and mouth are somewhat prognostic. This is a Negroid feature. I have this.
His bottom lip also extends widely in relation to his lower lip, another Negroid feature. (although there are exceptions).

Lioness conclusion: this statue of Khafra has both Negroid and Caucasoid features, therefore he is either intermediary between the two so called races or of mixed race. Sorry he's not racially pure.


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Now we come to Siptah's authentic Hemiunu relief
Hemiunu is believed to be the architect of the Great Pyramid of Giza,



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Authentic Hemiunu relief


On first impression he looks very Caucasian, yall need to admit it.
He has a medium large nose with very small nostrils. Some "blacks" have larger non-"flat" noses, but usually not with such small nostrils. Most Caucasians have this.
His jaw is not prognostic. His lips are small.
Based on what everybody is doing here, analyzing features, his features are most typically Caucasian. The relief is similar to the other restored statue but appears to be a younger rendition.

If you don't like these results than you should never discuss features on an unpainted statue.


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^ yes Hems profile are not typical features of Egyptian people.
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I just have a problem with the style of this statue. It doesn't look Egyptian at all.

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I am not saying Egypt was pure anything but this is rather unusual in not just his features but in his obesity. I didn't think this type of realism came into Egyptian art until the New Kingdom. Why is he so fat with a double chin?

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quote:
Originally posted by NonProphet:
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Originally posted by Kalonji:
^Bob Brier doesn't know what he is talking about

In his TTC lecture, he says the Nubian language ''sounds'' African, to contrast it with the ancient Egyptian language. No linguist would say that, as AE itself is African as well, just like it's culture is.

He also seems to believe, without presenting evidence, that Ramses II is the Pharao of the biblical exodus. Oh no I forgot, he actually does present evidence, namely, that some of his sons died early, (Like the Pharao's firstborn did in Genesis) and that he took a more reserved public posture later in life, implying that it could have been the result of the devastating loss of Moses and his people leaving AE.

Stick to B-ball because you don't even know that Sneferu is the father of Khufu and grandfather of Khafra.
Interesting.
So where in this thread was Sneferu mentioned for it to make sense that you suddenly take his name on your mouth?

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quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
quote:
Originally posted by NonProphet:
quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
^Bob Brier doesn't know what he is talking about

In his TTC lecture, he says the Nubian language ''sounds'' African, to contrast it with the ancient Egyptian language. No linguist would say that, as AE itself is African as well, just like it's culture is.

He also seems to believe, without presenting evidence, that Ramses II is the Pharao of the biblical exodus. Oh no I forgot, he actually does present evidence, namely, that some of his sons died early, (Like the Pharao's firstborn did in Genesis) and that he took a more reserved public posture later in life, implying that it could have been the result of the devastating loss of Moses and his people leaving AE.

Stick to B-ball because you don't even know that Sneferu is the father of Khufu and grandfather of Khafra.
Interesting.
So where in this thread was Sneferu mentioned for it to make sense that you suddenly take his name on your mouth?

LOL, I want to see this too?? Typical of the Mathilda troll...Where did you say anything about Snefru??
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quote:
Originally posted by osirion:
I just have a problem with the style of this statue. It doesn't look Egyptian at all.

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I am not saying Egypt was pure anything but this is rather unusual in not just his features but in his obesity. I didn't think this type of realism came into Egyptian art until the New Kingdom. Why is he so fat with a double chin?

quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
Patuamenap

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quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
alTakruri was out to lunch with this comment talking about the below profile view. Khafra's nose is no more flat than the earth. In my opinion his nose is not an African nose. Find a tribe in Africa that has this type of nose.

It is unreasonable to request an entire tribe with such features, since you haven't produced a source that stated the ancient Egyptians had it in the first place

But to entertain myself, and see you worm out of this, here you go.


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Now what?

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quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
alTakruri was out to lunch with this comment talking about the below profile view. Khafra's nose is no more flat than the earth. In my opinion his nose is not an African nose. Find a tribe in Africa that has this type of nose.

It is unreasonable to request an entire tribe with such features, since you haven't produced a source that stated the ancient Egyptians had it in the first place

But to entertain myself, and see you worm out of this, here you go.


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Now what?

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Khafra's nose has a slight outer bend a little similar to some Native American noses. Kobe's has a litter inner bend. Khafra's nose is longer
on a vertical up an down proportion to his head than Kobe's is. Khafra's comes out further horizontally than Kobe's.

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Kobe's lips looks similar to Khafra's. Kobe's forehead recedes in a typical SSA way.
There are some similarities.
Obviously Khafra's nose is not a flat type nose and it's not hugely different than Kobe's. Khafra's cheekbones are higher. What is AA Kobe's mother's ancestry I don't know.
not a bad try. See if you can find a native African.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
Khafra's nose has a slight outer bend a little similar to some Native American noses. Kobe's has a litter inner bend. Khafra's nose is longer
on a vertical up an down proportion to his head than Kobe's is. Khafra's comes out further horizontally than Kobe's.

The thing that cracks me up, is the fact that the differences you mention here, are WAY smaller than the differences that are observed between two different busts that portray the same pharao. With that in mind, what makes you think that those microscopic nasal discrepancies between Kobe and Kafra are significant enough to justify your babling when two random artworks of Khafra himself may differ even more in nose shape than noses on the two pictures?

The dent you mention on Kobe's nose at the base of the tip of his nose doesn't even have a cranial basis, and its fleshy. The bony part of the nose that is attached to the skull is more likely than not similar to Kobe's, assuming Khafra really looked like that.

Your whining is just a distraction from the fact that you were wrong with your original assertion, that these nose shapes are foreign among black people.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
Khafra's nose has a slight outer bend a little similar to some Native American noses. Kobe's has a litter inner bend. Khafra's nose is longer
on a vertical up an down proportion to his head than Kobe's is. Khafra's comes out further horizontally than Kobe's.

The thing that cracks me up, is the fact that the differences you mention here, are WAY smaller than the differences that are observed between two different busts that portray the same pharao. With that in mind, what makes you think that those microscopic nasal discrepancies between Kobe and Kafra are significant enough to justify your babling when two random artworks of Khafra himself may differ even more in nose shape than noses on the two pictures?

The dent you mention on Kobe's nose at the base of the tip of his nose doesn't even have a cranial basis, and its fleshy. The bony part of the nose that is attached to the skull is more likely than not similar to Kobe's, assuming Khafra really looked like that.

Your whining is just a distraction from the fact that you were wrong with your original assertion, that these nose shapes are foreign among black people.

LOL...LOOOOOOOOL...

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^ Notice how punk-Puppet stays clear of this thread.. LOL

quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
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Jep, his father was a real ''Caucasian'' too..

[Roll Eyes]


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quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
alTakruri was out to lunch with this comment talking about the below profile view. Khafra's nose is no more flat than the earth. In my opinion his nose is not an African nose. Find a tribe in Africa that has this type of nose.

It is unreasonable to request an entire tribe with such features, since you haven't produced a source that stated the ancient Egyptians had it in the first place

But to entertain myself, and see you worm out of this, here you go.


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Now what?

Kobe is more prognathist, has heavier brow ridges, fuller lips, more massive jawline(and thus teeth), wider flared nostrils, greater sloping forehead and smaller fixed lobed ears. Wish he was available to do a DNA test and crainal metrics to further show how disimilar he is to the AE. [Big Grin]

You also wierdly claimed Jep was Khafra's and/or Khufu's father. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
^ Notice how punk-Puppet stays clear of this thread.. LOL

quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
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Jep, his father was a real ''Caucasian'' too..

[Roll Eyes]


LOL..Hey Kalonji the Mathilda Troll Still thinks you Called the Above Images Snefru..LMAO

Notice hot she tries to squirm away from Kobe matching Khafre's profile..LOL.Amazing even Lionass did'nt go that far..

Seems our friend Gigantic took cover from the beatdown on the Eva Longoria thread..

Too bad I was having fun with the Forum Pinata..lol

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quote:
Originally posted by NonProphet:
[QUOTE]

You also wierdly claimed Jep was Khafra's and/or Khufu's father. [Big Grin]

Non Prophet Wrote:

Stick to B-ball because you don't even know that Sneferu is the father of Khufu and grandfather of Khafra.

Post Where Kalonji Says this is Snefru..

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quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
Khafra's nose has a slight outer bend a little similar to some Native American noses. Kobe's has a litter inner bend. Khafra's nose is longer
on a vertical up an down proportion to his head than Kobe's is. Khafra's comes out further horizontally than Kobe's.

The thing that cracks me up, is the fact that the differences you mention here, are WAY smaller than the differences that are observed between two different busts that portray the same pharao. With that in mind, what makes you think that those microscopic nasal discrepancies between Kobe and Kafra are significant enough to justify your babling when two random artworks of Khafra himself may differ even more in nose shape than noses on the two pictures?

The dent you mention on Kobe's nose at the base of the tip of his nose doesn't even have a cranial basis, and its fleshy. The bony part of the nose that is attached to the skull is more likely than not similar to Kobe's, assuming Khafra really looked like that.

Your whining is just a distraction from the fact that you were wrong with your original assertion, that these nose shapes are foreign among black people.

The fact is that Kobe doesn't have an aquiline nose while Khafra's is aquiline. It has a slight bend in it. Kobe's does not. But never mind Kobe Bryant the American, racially Khafra could go either way.

The Patuamenap head and the Hemiunu relief however are more Eurasian looking. Or in the case of Patuamenap oddly looking Central American. I can't explain it but somebody else said that and it fits visually.

Does this mean because of this they necessarily had ancestry from Eurasia?

I say it's possible since Eurasia is next door to Egypt. It's unknown but possible. That's my general position.

Others feel it's impossible for some reason.

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
Khafra's nose has a slight outer bend a little similar to some Native American noses. Kobe's has a litter inner bend. Khafra's nose is longer
on a vertical up an down proportion to his head than Kobe's is. Khafra's comes out further horizontally than Kobe's.

The thing that cracks me up, is the fact that the differences you mention here, are WAY smaller than the differences that are observed between two different busts that portray the same pharao. With that in mind, what makes you think that those microscopic nasal discrepancies between Kobe and Kafra are significant enough to justify your babling when two random artworks of Khafra himself may differ even more in nose shape than noses on the two pictures?

The dent you mention on Kobe's nose at the base of the tip of his nose doesn't even have a cranial basis, and its fleshy. The bony part of the nose that is attached to the skull is more likely than not similar to Kobe's, assuming Khafra really looked like that.

Your whining is just a distraction from the fact that you were wrong with your original assertion, that these nose shapes are foreign among black people.

The fact is that Kobe doesn't have an aquiline nose while Khafra's is aquiline. It has a slight bend in it. Kobe's does not. But never mind Kobe Bryant the American, racially Khafra could go either way.

The Patuamenap head and the Hemiunu relief however are more Eurasian looking. Or in the case of Patuamenap oddly looking Central American. I can't explain it but somebody else said that and it fits visually.

Does this mean because of this they necessarily had ancestry from Eurasia?

I say it's possible since Eurasia is next door to Egypt. It's unknown but possible. That's my general position.

Others feel it's impossible for some reason.

Just a quick question..

Egypt in your opinion was Mulatto..so then Mesopotamia and other Middle East Empires OBVIOUSLY had Black Africans right..according to Lioness Anthropology..

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Proximity of Yemen(Arabia) to Sudan and Eritrea fits your "Next Door Radius Circle" Model in Lioness antropology..So we can say Dana and Alwaad Berry are Right about Arabs being orignally black right..

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@Lioness Each of Khafre's sculptures somewhat differ in terms of physiognomy so instead of seeking the exact match you should seek resemblances.

In my opinion, I don't really see how Khafre's nose can be perceived as Non-African. From the sculptures i've seen they do not display a bent nose.

His profile fits that of many black men:

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His nose is not exclusive to non black men. If you look within the variation of black peoples you could find it.

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