And all confined to the bit of Africa facing Arabia? What about the rest? ^^^^ What script did Bede write the history of England in Rahotep??
Also Zara Yacob lived Isoated from other Ethiopians let alone Arabs.
So like I asked what script was Bede writing in, if you don't mind..
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^ Indeed. DaDum1_01 complains about blacks fabricating history or stealing history when it comes to Egypt even though Egypt IS African as much as Nigeria, or rather Egypt's neighbor Sudan.
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Those are ~50% Caucasoid Ancient Mulattoes. Not true Negroids.
True Negroids are incapable of building such a magnificent society like that of Ancient Egypt. Only thanks to West Eurasian admixture did they gain the mental capabilities to built such great works.
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Rahotep Im still waiting on you to tell us what script Bede wrote the history of the English people in..?? You seem so insistant on devaluing the Ethiopian Geez literature despite it being a Complete African development. So please what script did Bede write in??
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quote:Originally posted by Perahu: Those are ~50% Caucasoid Ancient Mulattoes. Not true Negroids.
True Negroids are incapable of building such a magnificent society like that of Ancient Egypt. Only thanks to West Eurasian admixture did they gain the mental capabilities to built such great works.
quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Rahotep Im still waiting on you to tell us what script Bede wrote the history of the English people in..?? You seem so insistant on devaluing the Ethiopian Geez literature despite it being a Complete African development. So please what script did Bede write in??
^ LOL The fool does not even know the very alphabet he uses is ultimately derived from Egyptian! But let's not forget he does not consider Egyptian to be African. Posts: 26239 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Indeed. DaDum1_01 complains about blacks fabricating history or stealing history when it comes to Egypt even though Egypt IS African as much as Nigeria, or rather Egypt's neighbor Sudan.
Poppyock. 60,000 square kelometers of Nigeria is not in Asia!
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: non-sequiter
Also the percentage you speak of is made up
Ancient and present-day Nubians are 50% Caucasoid (West Eurasian origin).
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Those are racially 100% true Negroids, recent migrants. Totally incomparable. A Negroid-Caucasoid hybrid substratum was in Egypt since ancient times.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Indeed. DaDum1_01 complains about blacks fabricating history or stealing history when it comes to Egypt even though Egypt IS African as much as Nigeria, or rather Egypt's neighbor Sudan.
Poppyock. 60,000 square kelometers of Nigeria is not in Asia!
And how many times must we remind you that the Sinai Peninsula was not part of dynastic Egypt except during imperial New Kingdom Times! The native Kememu inhabited the AFRICAN NILE valley to the Delta.
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quote: Really, I got so sick of all the stupid 'Egypt was black' comments on everything on youtube to do with Egypt that I started making videos arguing against this
^Hilarious
What is that supposed to prove, pray tell?
^^^ Birmingham (UK)
That true Egyptians who live in rural areas are still BLACK!
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Rahotep Im still waiting on you to tell us what script Bede wrote the history of the English people in..?? You seem so insistant on devaluing the Ethiopian Geez literature despite it being a Complete African development. So please what script did Bede write in??
It was Latin, the language of Rome, the city that had already fallen to Germanic relations of the English in 410AD, and to Celtic relations of the Britons in 390 BC!
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^ Yet you ignore the fact that the alphabet is derived from an AFRICAN language Mdu Neter (Egyptian).
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With 50% Caucasoid DNA and their African genetic component would be highly different from West Africans, i.e. they are not related to your common Negro. Posts: 695 | From: وكان المصريون القدماء القوقازين | Registered: Jan 2011
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^ There is no such thing as "caucasoid" let alone "caucasoid genes" or "negroid" or any other racial garbage. You even claim your master Dienekes is an expert or "doctor" when he is not. You are a lying lunatic. Which is why nobody takes you seriously and you are being ignored.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Rahotep Im still waiting on you to tell us what script Bede wrote the history of the English people in..?? You seem so insistant on devaluing the Ethiopian Geez literature despite it being a Complete African development. So please what script did Bede write in??
It was Latin, the language of Rome, the city that had already fallen to Germanic relations of the English in 410AD, and to Celtic relations of the Britons in 390 BC!
^^^^ So Bede wrote in Latin a script developed by Rome. While the Ethiopians wrote in Geez a Script developed by Ethiopians. Everything that Bede did was done by the sacred Empire Ethiopia ten fold. Ethiopian Axum in the 1st century was counted as 4 of the Great Empires with the likes of China and Byzantium. The Tin Isles only got that Title during the 19th Century after exploiting the Americans, Carribean, Africans, Indians, and Indo-Chinese and Chinese alike, and after the development of Steam.
It was the so called Arabs that Isolated and Invaded Ethiopia preventing her Growth to further greatness.
Yet and still despite Barbarics Stepping their dirty feet on the sacred soil of Ethiopia, she was still able to resist Colonialism, defeated the Italians and even began a process of Modernization.
Justice is a product of education. -H.I.M Hallie Selasse
Show Respect boy!!
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ There is no such thing as "caucasoid" let alone "caucasoid genes" or "negroid" or any other racial garbage. You even claim your master Dienekes is an expert or "doctor" when he is not. You are a lying lunatic. Which is why nobody takes you seriously and you are being ignored.
Butthurt ugly Australoid Filipino!
Caucasoid is a genetic reality. It must hurt knowing that even the Nubians are 50% Caucasoid, and the ancient and present-day Egyptians are 70%-90% Caucasoid.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: So Bede wrote in Latin a script developed by Rome. While the Ethiopians wrote in Geez a Script developed by Ethiopians. Everything that Bede did was done by the sacred Empire Ethiopia ten fold. Ethiopian Axum in the 1st century was counted as 4 of the Great Empires with the likes of China and Byzantium. The Tin Isles only got that Title during the 19th Century after exploiting the Americans, Carribean, Africans, Indians, and Indo-Chinese and Chinese alike, and after the development of Steam.
It was the so called Arabs that Isolated and Invaded Ethiopia preventing her Growth to further greatness.
Yet and still despite Barbarics Stepping their dirty feet on the sacred soil of Ethiopia, she was still able to resist Colonialism, defeated the Italians and even began a process of Modernization.
Justice is a product of education. -H.I.M Hallie Selasse
Show Respect boy!!
^ Forget that! DaHoisDum101 keeps ignoring that the very alphabet of the Latin language is derived from AFRICANS i.e. Egyptians.
He tends to ignore a lot of things including the fact that Africa has produced more civilizations than Europe!
^ Africa has had trade relations with China long before the advent of Marco Polo!
Indirect contacts between the Northeast African coast and China, mostly based on trade, seem to be documented since at least the 1st century A.D. (Han dynasty). This article focused on the first Chinese, whose presence in Africa is clearly documented. The geographical curiosity of the T'ang dynasty made it possible, that extracts of an 8th century travel report of a Chinese military officer, Du Huan, were documented and preserved. He visited Arabic countries and also Africa. The location of Molin-guo, an African country, seems to be clarified today. South of it lies Laobosa, the first mention of Abyssinia in an ancient Chinese source ; Molin should be located in a dry desert lowland in the Sudan and Eritrea62. This text is thus one of the very few ancient sources contemporary to the late Aksumite kingdom. Briefly, but with significant details, the peoples' customs are described, most of them still identifiable today.
What makes the text fragments on Molin important, is, first, that it is the most ancient source which provides evidence of the presence of a Chinese in Africa63. Most other sources only reflect the fact that products from the African Red Sea coast reached China. Second, it is among the very few ancient sources contemporary to the Aksumite kingdom. Third, the Du Huan travel report fragments give an example on the ways used in that time to cross far distances. Probably rather unusual is the fact, that Du Huan reached the mountainous region south of Egypt by land ; how his way back was organised is not known in detail, but we know that he reached Kanton in Southern China by boat - using the sea routes to India, which we know from a few ancient sources. This shows that still in the period of decline, the sea trade from the African coast was not halted. Fourth, the geographical notions mentioned are reflecting information originating evidently in Arabic contacts, which is probably due to the fact that during the decline of the Aksumite kingdom the Red Sea trade was already in the hands of the Arabs. Finally, the brief descriptions of the multitude of religions give us an impression of the coexistence of religions in this period, on which only very few sources exist.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: _________ __________________________ Now in the 12th year, in a corner of the Western Seas, in the stagnant waters of a great morass, Truly was produced a qilin (ch'i-lin), whose shape was as high as fifteen feet. With the body of a deer and the tail of an ox, and a fleshy, boneless horn, With luminous spots like a red cloud in a purple mist. Its hoofs do not tread on living beings and in its wanderings it carefully selects its ground. It walks in stately fashion and in its every motion it observes a rhythm, Its harmonious voice sounds like a bell or a musical tube. Gentle is this animal, that has in antiquity been seen but once, The manifestation of its divine spirit rises up to heaven's abode. Ministers and people together vie to be the first to gaze upon the joyous spectacle, a true token of Heaven's aid and a proclamation of Heaven's favour. How glorious is the Sacred Emperor whose literary and military virtues are most excellent, who has succeeded to the Precious Throne and has achieved Perfect Order in imitation of the Ancients.
Painting with Poem by Shen Du (1357-1434)
The qilin is a Chinese auspicious mythical animal with giraffe-like features. Zheng He, a Muslim admiral ambassador eunuch, brought a giraffe from the east coast of Africa to the emperor Yongle. From Zheng He's stela: [QUOTE] In the fifteenth year of Yongle (1417): Commanding the fleet we visited the western regions. The country of Hulumosi (Ormuz) presented lions, leopards with gold spots and large western horses. The country of Adan (Aden) presented qilin of which the native name is culafa (giraffe), as well as the long-horned animal maha (oryx). The country of Mugudushu (Mogadishu) presented huafu lu ("striped" zebras) as well as lions. The country of Bulawa (Brava) presented camels which run one thousand li as well as camel-birds (ostriches).
J.J.L. Duyvendak, however, maintains that Malindi sent a delegation to Peking with the giraffe.
quote: . . . . In 1402 an outward-looking emperor named Yong'le (Yung-lo) came to power. Seeking to reassert a Chinese presence on the western seas and to enhance the prestige of his rule and dynasty, he began funding spectacular voyages by Zheng-He. . . . . As Zheng He pressed westward in 1414, he sent part of his fleet north to Bengal, and there the Chinese travelers saw a wondrous creature. . . . . The giraffe the travelers saw in Bengal was already more than 5,000 miles from home. It had been brought there as a gift from the ruler of the prosperous African city-state of Malindi, one of the several trading centers lining the east coast of Africa (Malindi is midway along modern Kenya's coast, three degrees south of the equator). Zheng He's diplomats persuaded the Malindi ambassadors to offer the animal as a gift to the Chinese emperor. They also persuaded the Malindi ambassadors to send home for another giraffe. When Zheng He returned to Beijing, he was able to present the emperor with two of the exotic beasts.
A pair of giraffes in Beijing in 1415 was well worth the cost of the expedition. In China they thought the giraffe (despite its having one horn too many) was a ["temple dog"] (ch'i-lin), whose arrival, according to Confucian tradition, meant that a sage of the utmost wisdom and benevolence was in their presence. It was a great gift, therefore, to bring to the ambitious ruler of a young dynasty. The giraffes were presented to the emperor Yong'le by exotic envoys from the kingdom of Malindi, whom the Chinese treated royally. They and the marvelous gift so excited China's curiosity about Africa that Zheng He sent word to the kingdom of Mogadishu (then one of the most powerful trading states in East Africa and now the capitol of modern Somalia) and to other African states, inviting them to send ambassadors to the Ming emperor.
The response of the African rulers was overwhelmingly generous, for China and Africa had been distant trading partners from the time of the Han dynasty (206 B.C. to A.D. 220).
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The African emissaries to the Ming throne came with fabulous gifts, including objects for which entrepreneurs had long before managed to create a market in the Far East -- tortoise shell, elephant ivory, and rhinoceros-horn medicine. On their many visits they also brought zebras, ostriches, and other exotica. In return, the Ming court sent gold, spices, silk, and other presents. Zheng He was sent with his fleet of great ships on yet another voyage across the Indian Ocean to accompany some of the foreign emissaries home. This escort was the first of several imperially supported trips to Africa. According to official records, they went to Mogadishu, Brava, and perhaps Malindi;
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Samuel M. Wilson The Emperor's Giraffe Natural History (Vol. 101, No. 12, December 1992)
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aaaawwe. Sorry did I hurt your feelings and by that I mean your false caca-soid white pride??
quote:Caucasoid is a genetic reality. It must hurt knowing that even the Nubians are 50% Caucasoid, and the ancient and present-day Egyptians are 70%-90% Caucasoid.
Caca-soid is as much a reality as Dr. Dienekes Pontikos et. al! LMAOPosts: 26239 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote: Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Rahotep Im still waiting on you to tell us what script Bede wrote the history of the English people in..?? You seem so insistant on devaluing the Ethiopian Geez literature despite it being a Complete African development. So please what script did Bede write in??
Rahotep said It was Latin, the language of Rome, the city that had already fallen to Germanic relations of the English in 410AD, and to Celtic relations of the Britons in 390 BC
And Ahmed Baba wrote in African language using Arabic script Bede and Herodotus wrote in a European language using a semitic script that was ultimately base on an African script called Mdu Ntr and that goes back even further to the folks of Ta-Seti yes your "Nubians" so does that make Bede a "Nubian" ???
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''tell us what script Bede wrote the history of the English people in'' =====
It was common to write in Latin all across Europe despite other languages were known and could be written.
Britain had written literature long before the Romans invaded. Just not enough research has been done on these early writings because of the erroneous 19th depiction of the native Britons as savage painted cavemen.
Flinders Petrie presented a paper to the Proceedings of the British Academy in 1917 entitled ''Neglected British History'' discussing these pre-Roman written sources. Despite scholars and academics knowing of their existance, this knowledge has never broken into the mainstream. Why? Probably political correctness. Universities in Britain are now not even allowed to publically discuss the British Empire.
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^^^^ Im not doubting the British had a script before Latin, what Im getting at is your and Rahotep's dismissal of Geez. Geez unlike the language Bede wrote in was developed by Ethiopians. Little to any Sabaen influence was need. further more Southern Arabians get their Script VIA Phonecian which was developed from Egyptian, another African script.
The Fact is Bede wrote in a Language not developed by his own people while the Ethiopian did not have that problem, so please stop bringing up Arabs everytime some one mentions Ethiopia. If anything Arabs did more damage to Ethiopia than good.
Second if its true that the British Universities cant teach the British Empire(I doubt that) then thats really sad. The British Empire is an important fact of History and the Story of the British before Rome should be told as well like all Cultures.
If you don't mind me asking what reasons would it serve not to discuss the British Empire. Does London Universities not have World History Programs..??
Here in the states you can even forcus on Western Civ, hell maybe even the British Empire. You telling me Oxford University does'nt have a Western Civ. Focus or a Focus on the British Empire for at least Graduate students....
I doubt that.
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''If you don't mind me asking what reasons would it serve not to discuss the British Empire'' =====
Self-hatred pushed by white liberals. These same white liberal freaks count the numbers of 'blacks' at cambridge and oxford and claim that there are not enough at cambridge/oxford and that the students there are too ''pasty white''.
- ''Cambridge college forced to change 'offensive' theme of May ball''
- '''Cambridge University has been accused of advocating slavery and racism yesterday by hosting a glamorous ball to celebrate the excesses of the British Empire''.
- ''David Cameron has raised hackles at Oxford University with a comment about its numbers of black students.
Speaking at a PM Direct event in North Yorkshire, he said: "I saw figures the other day that showed that only one black person went to Oxford last year. I think that is disgraceful. We have got to do better than that."''
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Rahotep Im still waiting on you to tell us what script Bede wrote the history of the English people in..?? You seem so insistant on devaluing the Ethiopian Geez literature despite it being a Complete African development. So please what script did Bede write in??
It was Latin, the language of Rome, the city that had already fallen to Germanic relations of the English in 410AD, and to Celtic relations of the Britons in 390 BC!
^^^^ So Bede wrote in Latin a script developed by Rome. While the Ethiopians wrote in Geez a Script developed by Ethiopians. Everything that Bede did was done by the sacred Empire Ethiopia ten fold. Ethiopian Axum in the 1st century was counted as 4 of the Great Empires with the likes of China and Byzantium. The Tin Isles only got that Title during the 19th Century after exploiting the Americans, Carribean, Africans, Indians, and Indo-Chinese and Chinese alike, and after the development of Steam.
It was the so called Arabs that Isolated and Invaded Ethiopia preventing her Growth to further greatness.
Yet and still despite Barbarics Stepping their dirty feet on the sacred soil of Ethiopia, she was still able to resist Colonialism, defeated the Italians and even began a process of Modernization.
Justice is a product of education. -H.I.M Hallie Selasse
Show Respect boy!!
What language are you going to reply in? What is the official language uniting Gambia, Ghana, Kenya, Malawi,Nambia Nigeria, Uganda and Swaziland, among others? Who gave Swahili its current latin alphabet? Not the Romans! The Tin Isle founded America, essentially ruled Egypt, colonized Nubia and successfully invaded Ethiopia (to rescue hostages) but didn't hang around (General Napier's Magdala expedition, 1868).
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However, I don't mean to give the impression of not having respect for Ethiopia and it's culture and history. Like most Britons I would have been very much on the side of the gallant Ethiopians against the fascist Italians, for instance. (Britain played host to the exiled Haille Selasse).
Ancient Ethiopia also produced some great architecture, and preserved some sacred texts that were lost elsewhere, notably the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees. I don't necessarily approve of Imperialism either. However I don't see anything worse about 19th Century English expansionism in Africa than about ancient Egyptian expansionism! The pharaohs behaved like Victorians, only lacking rifles.
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@the court Djehester Carthage was founded by Phoenicians from Lebanon, and the Egyptans probably had common ancestry with the Phoenicians in the vicinity of the Persian Gulf. Nubia was a deriviative culture from Egypt, or at least all the trappings of high civilization there post-date the Egyptian occupation. Ethiopia was oriented to the Semitic world. Few of the other cultures in Africa qualify as advanced civilizations.
Latin is far removed from Egyptian, though it owes something, deriving via Phoenician and Greek. The Greeks devised a vastly superior alphabet in terms of efficiency than that of the Egyptians. The Egyptians were not sorry to ditch their old, jumbled mixture of phonetic symbols, pictograms and ideograms in favour of a purely phonetic system based on Greek- which they did in the early centuries of the Christian era.
Big wow that the Chinese had exotic pets. The Plantagenet kings of medieval England also managed to get their hands on African wildlife, including a number of lions and an elephant, which were kept at the Tower of London.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ''If you don't mind me asking what reasons would it serve not to discuss the British Empire'' =====
Self-hatred pushed by white liberals. These same white liberal freaks count the numbers of 'blacks' at cambridge and oxford and claim that there are not enough at cambridge/oxford and that the students there are too ''pasty white''.
- ''Cambridge college forced to change 'offensive' theme of May ball''
- '''Cambridge University has been accused of advocating slavery and racism yesterday by hosting a glamorous ball to celebrate the excesses of the British Empire''.
- ''David Cameron has raised hackles at Oxford University with a comment about its numbers of black students.
Speaking at a PM Direct event in North Yorkshire, he said: "I saw figures the other day that showed that only one black person went to Oxford last year. I think that is disgraceful. We have got to do better than that."''
The funny thing is the quote in the Guardian article about Britain going to war against the Boer 'tribe' in South Africa. The Boers were not a tribe but the descendants of Dutch settlers, they were whites and much more racist, generally, than the British! The ignorance of some people is astonishing.
Still it's not true that the Britiash Empire is not taught. I did a module on the British in India when I was at uni. Most of the academics I encountered were liberal and anti-imperialist. One, I remember, seemed to think that the hindus would have stopped burning their wives eventually if left to their own devices. Other historians (albeit academic exiles) are more positive about the legacy of empire, and condemn the self-flagellation over 'imperial guilt' prevalent in white liberal circles.
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Where did I deny that the British Empire was great. Read my post I made it clear that the British became a Great empire in the 18-19th century after taking advantage of various lands and people and after the invention of Steam and the British Nautical Navigation(Which deserves credit). The point Im driving at is that Ethiopia developed on its own. Arabs did more harm than good, and the Sabeans would have looked no different than the Ave. Ethiopian.
[Isaiah 45:14] THUS SAITH THE LORD, THE LABOUR OF EGYPT, AND MERCHANDISE OF ETHIOPIA AND OF THE SABEANS, MEN OF STATURE, SHALL COME OVER UNTO THEE...
Sabeans Men of Stature..
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari:
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101:
quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Rahotep Im still waiting on you to tell us what script Bede wrote the history of the English people in..?? You seem so insistant on devaluing the Ethiopian Geez literature despite it being a Complete African development. So please what script did Bede write in??
It was Latin, the language of Rome, the city that had already fallen to Germanic relations of the English in 410AD, and to Celtic relations of the Britons in 390 BC!
^^^^ So Bede wrote in Latin a script developed by Rome. While the Ethiopians wrote in Geez a Script developed by Ethiopians. Everything that Bede did was done by the sacred Empire Ethiopia ten fold. Ethiopian Axum in the 1st century was counted as 4 of the Great Empires with the likes of China and Byzantium. The Tin Isles only got that Title during the 19th Century after exploiting the Americans, Carribean, Africans, Indians, and Indo-Chinese and Chinese alike, and after the development of Steam.
It was the so called Arabs that Isolated and Invaded Ethiopia preventing her Growth to further greatness.
Yet and still despite Barbarics Stepping their dirty feet on the sacred soil of Ethiopia, she was still able to resist Colonialism, defeated the Italians and even began a process of Modernization.
Justice is a product of education. -H.I.M Hallie Selasse
Show Respect boy!!
What language are you going to reply in? What is the official language uniting Gambia, Ghana, Kenya, Malawi,Nambia Nigeria, Uganda and Swaziland, among others? Who gave Swahili its current latin alphabet? Not the Romans! The Tin Isle founded America, essentially ruled Egypt, colonized Nubia and successfully invaded Ethiopia (to rescue hostages) but didn't hang around (General Napier's Magdala expedition, 1868).
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I know plenty of White Liberals. Although they do tend to favor non European culture esp. China I don't see any push to silence the history of the British Empire. I had one History Prof. Who was Liberal and one who was probably conservative but I can't say for sure. Both were great professors, The Non Liberal admitted outright that he was a "Western Apologist" and believed the West was the Best, I was really inspired in that class...When I took the other prof. considered me a Eurocentric, which Is funny because I never took Ancient History with him, If I did I can be he would call me a Egyptcentrist.
Anyway I don't see why you guys keep complaining about White Liberals anyway, they have a choice to like other cultures besides the British.
But I doubt Cambridge and other London Universities have stopped teaching the British Empire, thats absurd, The British Empire is important to History and Im a Progessive Democrat.
BTW, What I don't get is all the Whites who defend Islam. Don't they know that Muslims were enslaving their people in Turkey and North Africa, same with blacks...makes no damn sense IMO.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ''If you don't mind me asking what reasons would it serve not to discuss the British Empire'' =====
Self-hatred pushed by white liberals. These same white liberal freaks count the numbers of 'blacks' at cambridge and oxford and claim that there are not enough at cambridge/oxford and that the students there are too ''pasty white''.
- ''Cambridge college forced to change 'offensive' theme of May ball''
- '''Cambridge University has been accused of advocating slavery and racism yesterday by hosting a glamorous ball to celebrate the excesses of the British Empire''.
- ''David Cameron has raised hackles at Oxford University with a comment about its numbers of black students.
Speaking at a PM Direct event in North Yorkshire, he said: "I saw figures the other day that showed that only one black person went to Oxford last year. I think that is disgraceful. We have got to do better than that."''
The funny thing is the quote in the Guardian article about Britain going to war against the Boer 'tribe' in South Africa. The Boers were not a tribe but the descendants of Dutch settlers, they were whites and much more racist, generally, than the British! The ignorance of some people is astonishing.
Still it's not true that the Britiash Empire is not taught. I did a module on the British in India when I was at uni. Most of the academics I encountered were liberal and anti-imperialist. One, I remember, seemed to think that the hindus would have stopped burning their wives eventually if left to their own devices. Other historians (albeit academic exiles) are more positive about the legacy of empire, and condemn the self-flagellation over 'imperial guilt' prevalent in white liberal circles.
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''Anyway I don't see why you guys keep complaining about White Liberals anyway, they have a choice to like other cultures besides the British.'' ====
Because they have turned Britain into a third-world. Have you ever been to London? According to the demographics, white British are now under 40% of the population. All our major cities have been colonised by immigrants.
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^^^ How have White Liberals turned Britian into the third world?? Im not familliar with the history of British Politics but I can assure you conservatives are as much to blame for Immigration as any Liberal. Is not Britian under control of Conservative "Torries" again Im not familiar with British Politics.
In America Conservatives are just as much to blame for Rising Immigration as Liberals. Conservatives here have been outsourcing Jobs and giving tax breaks to these outsourcing companies.
However I think the English need to get a handle on Immigration esp. Islamic Immigration. History shows what happends when a non Muslim nation becomes Muslim. Esp. with most British and europeans are Atheist and Xtian. Look at what the Turks did to the Armenians, look at what they did to the Hagia Sophia, The Copts, The Bhudda Statue etc. Muslim complain about discrimination yet they are the most discriminating Religion in history. All Non Muslims are persecuted when they are the majority.
Islam is probably the biggest threat to Western Civilization.
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Besides Immigration is inevitable, with the Dawn of Industrialization and Globalization you have to be crazy to think you can stop Immigration esp. to Europe from Poor nations. Europeans Migrated En Masse to places like America, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and Argintina. And now you are all mad because people are doing the samething your forefathers did.
Also the British Empire became powerful by exploiting the lands and resources of the people now Immigrating to London. Conservatives are worried about making a Dollar they could care less about Immigration.
I can understand why you are worried but thats life. You guys cant stop immigration unless you resort to drastic measures that involves discrimination and violence, which goes against what Modern Western Civilization should stand for.
The biggest problem the British face is getting a handle on Immigration without violent measures. Lucky for you your Education system is not in the drain unlike in America.
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quote:Originally posted by DaDum1_01: @the court Djehester Carthage was founded by Phoenicians from Lebanon, and the Egyptans probably had common ancestry with the Phoenicians in the vicinity of the Persian Gulf. Nubia was a deriviative culture from Egypt, or at least all the trappings of high civilization there post-date the Egyptian occupation. Ethiopia was oriented to the Semitic world. Few of the other cultures in Africa qualify as advanced civilizations.
You're right about Carthage, but what of the others?? Nubia was NOT a derivative of Egypt, in fact the exact opposite could be said-- Egypt was a derivative of Nubia, specifically Ta-Seti since Ta-Seti civilization was centuries older and the institute of pharaoh along with its iconography and proto-hieroglyphs were found there 1st! We've shown you this many times before but apparently you have comprehension issues. Also Egypt was as equally Nilotic as is Nubia so your point about Egypt vs. Nubia is null. As for Ethiopia, its roots lie completely in Africa. What "Semitic world"?? Semitic is a language group. In fact the Semitic languages of Ethiopia are very much divergent from those of Arabia suggesting that their language and script is not derived from Arabs! Everything else about their ancient culture shows that are indigenous and descend from the older kingdom of Dmt which probably was a descendant of far older cultures like the Punt of Egyptian texts! No archaeologists nowadays claim they are anything other than African as they do with Egypt! As for the other cultures in Africa... Exactly how do they not qualify as advanced cultures?? Last time I checked, even European explorers were astounded and impressed by them though the colonial rulers of the day wanted to suppress such writings in favor of the "primitive" "savage" Africans for obvious propaganda purposes. Also many (white) Western scholars from V. Gordon Childe to Basil Davidson tended to disagree as well since archaeology and ethnology shows such systems of advanced culture were in place in Sub-Sahara long before they were in most of pre-Roman Europe! Hence, the very need of Euronuts even crazier than you to make them "caca-soid" or as they say nowadays "Eurasian"!! So quit with the white supremacist b.s. and denials!
quote:Latin is far removed from Egyptian, though it owes something, deriving via Phoenician and Greek. The Greeks devised a vastly superior alphabet in terms of efficiency than that of the Egyptians. The Egyptians were not sorry to ditch their old, jumbled mixture of phonetic symbols, pictograms and ideograms in favour of a purely phonetic system based on Greek- which they did in the early centuries of the Christian era.
Moron. I didn't say the latin language but the alphabet. Yes the Greeks revised it, but they didn't invent it but adopted it from Phoenicians who in turn adopted it from Egyptians.
quote:Big wow that the Chinese had exotic pets. The Plantagenet kings of medieval England also managed to get their hands on African wildlife, including a number of lions and an elephant, which were kept at the Tower of London.
You obviously missed the point that China was engaged in economic trade with Sub-Saharan Africa long before they had relations with Europeans. It was more than just a pet-trade, you fool. African gold, ebony, etc. were traded. And Europe's economy before the advent of Columbus was also stimulated by gold from Africa since about 80% of it came from there.
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''Besides Immigration is inevitable, with the Dawn of Industrialization and Globalization you have to be crazy to think you can stop Immigration esp. to Europe from Poor nations. Europeans Migrated En Masse to places like America, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and Argintina. And now you are all mad because people are doing the samething your forefathers did.'' ===========
Korea, Japan and vast parts of Asia are 99.9% homogenous, they have no immigration problems and they reject a multicultural society.
The West (especially Europe) however has experimented with multiculturalism (and multiracialism) which has been a disaster. The white native Britons are now a minority in virtually all of their major cities. Can you ever imagine the same happening in Japan?
London, Glasgow etc are an embarrassment. In fact i have heard this directly from Chinese tourists who traveled to UK, and instead of seeing British people & culture they ended up seeing nothing but blacks, asians etc.
''In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from Bangladeshi families''
''798,110 pupils in England's state schools do not speak English as their first language''
''Sharp increase in immigration combined with higher birth rates among newcomers to UK is set to make white Britons a minority in many towns and cities within 30 years, a study has said''
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^^^^ The difference between Japan, Korea, and China is that they have a large population density, they don't need Immigration. Europe on the other hand has seen a population decrease which is why Immigration is being encouraged. It has nothing to do with Liberals or Conservatives or Multiculturalism. I can guarentee the Conservatives are behind Immigration as any liberal because Immigration benefits the economy esp. when te native population is seeing such a decease in population density. And Japan and China are becoming more Multicultural but as I said they have a large Dense population so they don't need any alot of immigration.
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All I can say in this thread is that People are People.
Some Good some bad.
You hope that immigration to Europe comes with freedom....but it does not always work out that way.
With how Wired in is everything these days...News has become pure entertainment. Peoples lives are broadcast so people can read and take pics from their phones. Sadly the way this world is Going.....God can't come quick enough for me. Until that fatefull day that man meets his creator, We have to respect the people and allow them to work in Jobs that their skills could help the people in the country they are in.
It should not matter whether Black or White, Indian or Chinese. The people most helpfull to the population should be allowed to immigrate.
People are people regardless of colour...Respect must be layed out and people should be allowed to move around this Earth freely.
Peace
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Korea, Japan and vast parts of Asia are 99.9% homogenous, they have no immigration problems and they reject a multicultural society.
No, Korea and Japan are not "99.9%" homogenous. You can't even get simple math straight.. Almost 2% of the people in Japan are non-Japanese, most of those being Koreans. So much for your "precise" figure of 99.9%. In China, the dominant Han Chinese population is about 91%- again, NOT your bogus "99.9%". See rewferences in Wiki articles on these subjects. And your notion of some sort of homogenous "paradise" is much less than advertised. The "homogeneous" Japanese are mass murderers of the first order, as their history in World War II shows. They are also pretty good at suicide and producing soft to medium core child pornography. The same goes for your oh so good "homogenous" China, not only a leader in mass slaughter on a titanic scale, but the greatest abortionists on the planet by volume, a "leader" in infanticide for centuries, and a totalitarian dictatorship as well. If you love these places so much, why haven't you moved there to enjoy "homogenization"?
The West (especially Europe) however has experimented with multiculturalism (and multiracialism) which has been a disaster. The white native Britons are now a minority in virtually all of their major cities.
You incompetent. White Britons are not a "minority" in their major cities. The non-white ethnic minority population of London in 2001 was just over 2 million or 29 per cent. (Chris Hamnett (2003). "Unequal city: London in the global arena".) You simply do not know what you are talking about.
And "the West" has always had plenty of "multiculturalism." The Western Roman Empire contained numerous ethnic groups from Egypt to Palestine, to parts of what is now Turkey. Alexander the Great himself attempted a "racial" fusion with some Asiatic groups. And Britain aside from its multicultural empire has been complaining about "undesirable" immigrants for centuries before todays Pakis, Jamaicans etc. In the 1800s the white Irish had a lot of immigration to England and were viewed unfavorably by the natives for having an alien culture, and were even considered by many English to be a different race altogether. Tens of thousands of these white Irish were deported as undesirable aliens, and many simply found new ways to sneak back across the border. In short immigrants of different cultural backgrounds have been around for centuries in Britain. They are nothing special. (see: Irish migrants in Britain, 1815-1914: a documentary history. By Roger Swift 2002)
London, Glasgow etc are an embarrassment. In fact i have heard this directly from Chinese tourists who traveled to UK, and instead of seeing British people & culture they ended up seeing nothing but blacks, asians etc.
What you have allegedly "heard" simply exposes you as yet another ignoramus.
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Zarahan you sum it up well. It is rather irrational the anger people pose at Immigration but at the same time the population is decresing(Thus demanding more Immigration). No one is forcing native Britons and other Euros to have less babies they do so willingly.
Also this whole whining about "Multiculturalism" if anything European Empires are the Epitomy of Multicultralism.
Greece, Rome, even the British Empire Rah and Anglo Pyramid love to brag about was "Multicultural" taking advantage of Africans, Indians, and Natives of the Americas. Why do you think all these "Immigrants" are going to Britian in the first place..??
I think Anglo Pyramid would be hardpressed to find an advanced European Empire that was not Multicultural is some way.
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^^Indeed. They were always "multicultural". Matter of fact Europe itself was peopled by "multiculturalism" via the OOA migrants and their movement thru the Middle East on into Europe. Even more ironic, Europeans themselves are hybrids as we have seen several times on ES- 1/3 African and 2/3s Asian according to their own conservative geneticists.
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He spends a lot of time assailing "Afrocentrists" while attempting to minimize as much as possible the data showing the AEs were tropically adapted Africans. By 1999, when he wrote his book, he had the substantial cranial, limb proportion, cultural and even initial DNA data on file. He minimizes all, then in a veiled way, finally, grudgingly admits the truth when he has to deal with Keita's data. From Zarahan Read more: http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bag&action=display&thread=699#ixzz1NMsQPfy3 Btw was it you who made a thread or posted on some busted Eurocentric admitted blatantly lying about the African read Blk make up of Kemet to one of his posters a fellow Euro-centrist who got so distraught he/she exposed him I am looking for that post that was excellent could you repost it please.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: BTW, What I don't get is all the Whites who defend Islam. Don't they know that Muslims were enslaving their people in Turkey and North Africa, same with blacks...makes no damn sense IMO.
Totally agree there. The term 'useful iodiots' springs to mind. Liberals defend Islam, it seems to me, because so-called conservative westerners condemn it, and they (apologists for Islam on the left) see a common cause against America and all it stands for. They seem to miss the point that Islam is itself right-wing, illiberal, aggressively imperialistic and reactionary. It is all the things the liberal left profess to hate when done by whites.
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He spends a lot of time assailing "Afrocentrists" while attempting to minimize as much as possible the data showing the AEs were tropically adapted Africans. By 1999, when he wrote his book, he had the substantial cranial, limb proportion, cultural and even initial DNA data on file. He minimizes all, then in a veiled way, finally, grudgingly admits the truth when he has to deal with Keita's data. From Zarahan Read more: http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bag&action=display&thread=699#ixzz1NMsQPfy3 Btw was it you who made a thread or posted on some busted Eurocentric admitted blatantly lying about the African read Blk make up of Kemet to one of his posters a fellow Euro-centrist who got so distraught he/she exposed him I am looking for that post that was excellent could you repost it please.
Indigenous Africans are not necessarily black people... This is the crux of the matter, and the fact most flagrantly ignored by afrocentrists... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_peoplePosts: 870 | From: uk | Registered: Apr 2011
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So True. This is something that turns me off to alot of Liberals. Like "The Young Turks" show Cenk is a Muslim Apologist. He rarely if ever critisizes Islam because he is a former Muslim. I must admit as a former devout Xtian I have a bias for Xtianity though.
Anyway it baffels me how alot of these Liberals many of whom are Atheist defend Islam. Seriously if they were living in a Muslim Majority state they would be the first to be discriminated against. Like you said I think its only a reaction to the Right, because the Right speaks the Truth about Islam.
I had a debate with one of my Liberal friends who is an atheist, and he kept saying that Islam is the same as Xtianity 200 yrs ago, and that Muslims will become more civilized etc. I asked him if they would ever live as an atheist in a Muslim society, of course he was silent.
On the flip side conservatives are notorious for their defense of Israel and Zionism. Also Conservatives if they had their choice would install the Levitical Laws. This turns me off to conservatives like Alan West who tells the truth on Islam but is a pawn for Israel. The Levitical Laws are just as barbaric and backward as Sharia Law.
I think there should be a new movement against both Islam and Zionism and any religion trying to push their 2000 year old laws on modern society.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: BTW, What I don't get is all the Whites who defend Islam. Don't they know that Muslims were enslaving their people in Turkey and North Africa, same with blacks...makes no damn sense IMO.
Totally agree there. The term 'useful iodiots' springs to mind. Liberals defend Islam, it seems to me, because so-called conservative westerners condemn it, and they (apologists for Islam on the left) see a common cause against America and all it stands for. They seem to miss the point that Islam is itself right-wing, illiberal, aggressively imperialistic and reactionary. It is all the things the liberal left profess to hate when done by whites.
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quote: So True. This is something that turns me off to alot of Liberals. Like "The Young Turks" show Cenk is a Muslim Apologist. He rarely if ever critisizes Islam because he is a former Muslim. I must admit as a former devout Xtian I have a bias for Xtianity though.
Really??? I have seen him criticized Muslims all the time especially fundamentalist what he insist on is equal treatment for Muslims he is not too big on fundamentalism of any kind
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^^^^ LOL Dude you just proved my point, in that video he claims that people who think Saudia Arabia represents Islam is an Insult to Islam...WTF, You fucking serious Saudia Arabia is a Muslim Paradise ...You just proved Cenk is a Muslim Apologist. You know god damn well if that was a Fundamentalist Xtian he would be bashing Xtianity that whole video, and would never say something like that.
As much as he critisizes Christianity he never uses the same venom for Islam. Like I said him and alot of Left are Muslim Apologists. He is a Hypocrite, fat f-king Turk taking advantage of Western Civilization like his barbaric Turk forfathers begging the to be part of the European Union. At the same time opressing other religions but complaining and whining about discrimination in the West.
People in Glass houses should not throw stones. Any discrimination against Muslims is nothing compared to what they do to Non Muslims. Hell I doubt there are Atheists in places like Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and Yemen or even Turkey.
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The Berber's are a hybrid population that arose from admixture between East Africans and Eurasians giving them an intermediate genetic structure. The Nile Valley on the other hand was populated by East Africans but did not experience significant gene flow with Eurasia until the New Kingdom onwards. Hence the reason why you see continuity from the predynastic to the New Kingdom but then discontinuity afterwards.
So the Egyptians were indigenous Africans with the greatest morphological resemblance to more southern groups and can thus be considered saharo-tropical variants
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quote:Originally posted by DaDumb1_01: Indigenous Africans are not necessarily black people... This is the crux of the matter, and the fact most flagrantly ignored by afrocentrists... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people
LOL Actually what you say is the lie that is deliberately propagated by Eurocentrists.
FACT 1. Most of Africa is tropical with some portions being subtropical.
FACT 2. Because of the following fact above there is no such thing as indigenous whites.
FACT 3. Berber strictly speaking is a culturo-linguistic group and it is a fallacy to identify Berber with whites only since a good portion of Berber peoples are still black just as the original proto-Berbers were, since Berber is indigenous to Africa and Facts 1 & 2. stated above.
FACT 4. The only reason for the existence of lighter skinned or even 'white' types in Africa is due to immigrations from Europe and elsewhere across the Mediterranean. It's funny how when blacks are found in North Africa they are assumed to be recent arrivals from "Sub-Sahara" but never the whites who are descendants of European slaves etc.
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