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I don’t think you understand the magnitude of you stupid claims.
Let me spell it for you. David statute portrays a typical Indo-European white facial profile (not Jewish as Divid himself). Michaelangelo based his statute, like his other works, on the white European physique. And this profile is very similar to the founders of the Egyptian civilization. Therefore the founder of Egyptian civilization were white.
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Arman I knew you would ignore the questions put to you and go on to irrelevant picture spam. where was the Kemetian land of the Gods located. Where was the 1st state what was it called. What is the significance of Nabta Platya. A group and C group culture why are they important. What language group did the ancient Kemetians belong to. What is a ws scepter where can you attest to it's earliest use. If you do not know then you know nothing of the origins of ancient Kemet,and if you are not some lazy time wasting troll you can use the above questions as a clue to search for answers..a simple Goole won't kill ya.
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quote:Originally posted by arman: By the way, can any of you geniuses explain to me why the language of the Persians, who were blacks according to you, is categorized as indo-European (or Indo-Aryan to be more specific, thus the Aryan race)? Don’t tell me that you believe that Persian language is an African sub-branch.
Aryan is an English language loanword derived from Sanskrit ārya ('Noble')
In colloquial modern English it is often used to signify the Nordic racial ideal promoted by the Nazis. As the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language states at the beginning of its definition, "Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany, originally referred to a people who looked vastly different. Its history starts with the ancient Indo-Iranians, peoples who inhabited parts of what are now Iran, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.
arman - We have our share of dumb-ass trolls here, Cass and Lioness come to mind immediately, but they are not totally stupid - you are.
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Thank you for this photos Mike some of them look like ancient Elamites and others like the remnants of the people of Darius and Xerxes - the Dahae. Some, however, are possibly of more recent Makrani AFricans.
The original Kerman or Carmani which are mentioned by Herodotus were likely connected to the Daae and Derbikes.
Did someone fail to mention that there were African slaves in Iran brought from East Africa during the Qajar dynasty, who were mostly concentrated in Hormozgan, Sistan-Baluchestan and Khuzestan?
Thats Afrocentric scholarship for ya...leave out the parts that don't agree with what you are trying to claim!
And what about the report from Strabo, Diodoros and Heradotus that clearly state there was a clear "ethiopian" presence in Persia? Slavery can't explain that.
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Oh look, the roman emperor, Hadrian had curly hair too. Then he must be black. By the way, none of you geniuses could answer my question regarding Persian language. Read my question again. I slow down so you, with limited IQ, can catch up: In short, what is the link between the Persian language and the African languages? None.
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Okay, I'll play along. But first you have to prove that the statue is really of roman emperor Hadrian. So authenticate the statue (this is absolutely necessary since the statue is the basis of comparison), then get back to me.
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quote:Originally posted by arman: In short, what is the link between the Persian language and the African languages? None. [/QB]
This doesn't matter to the afronuts. They think the Indo-Europeans/Aryans were Negroes. They think everyone in classical antiquity was black and that white people are albinos who replaced the black aborigines of europe around 1,000 BC (although others maintain it was as late as medieval times).
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arman - You silly little twerp, us Blacks know that White statuary is totally bogus frauds, so simply asking you to authenticate one, will send you into an endless loop.
He,he,he. Here are some more for you.
Hadrian Statue from Troia IX ( BC 85 AD 450 ) , recent excavations , Canakkale Museum Turkey
Giant statue of Hadrian unearthed Parts of a huge, exquisitely carved statue of the Roman Emperor Hadrian have been found at an archaeological site in south-central Turkey. The statue dates to the early period of Hadrian's reign.
Statue of the Emperor Hadrian in the Hall of Imperial Statues Antalya Museum.
White marble statue of the Roman emperor Hadrian, from an excavation at Sagalassos in south-central Turkey.
This famous statue of Hadrian in Greek dress was revealed in 2008 to have been forged in the Victorian era by cobbling together a head of Hadrian and an unknown body. For years the statue had been used by historians as proof of Hadrian's love of Hellenic culture.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what I mean arman? They made these statues, probably during the late medieval, slapped a beard on it and called it Hadrian.
AND NOW FOR THE "COUP DE GRACE" ("blow of mercy") means a death blow intended to end the suffering.
This mosaic is another Albino lie. It is lyingly called the Alexander fighting the Persians mosaic. But it is actually Hadrian fighting the Parthians - note his Roman dress and the face on his breastplate, only Hadrian and Trajan wore such breastplates.
So my little Albino twerp - According to the people in the Roman city of Pompeii, circa 100 B.C, Hadrian was dark and had no beard - My, my, what are we to make of Albinos and their lies?Posts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: Do you understand how these statements of yours make you seem as if your ability to approach a subject in an intelligent/rational manner is deficient? Everything is context my man.
Please show me one argument I made above that is not in context "my man", or is this rant your attempt to avoid the fact that you have no intelligent response to me.
quote:As I said, at least half of Iran to this very day is still black or mulatto. So blacks have always been there since the very beginning, and your two pictures doesn’t prove otherwise.
Strawman fallacy..
Show me where I said anywhere that Persia did not have native black peoples from the beginning. Provide direct quotes.
quote:Nor does it disprove the fact that blacks played a major role in that society. Were they the kings and queens? I have no idea,
Of course you have no idea because your interest with Persia only stems from some black washing Afrocentric agenda. Anything that does not mention blacks in Persia would not interest you.
quote:haven’t really looked into that bit, and from the looks of it, outside of you going to flickr and google, you haven’t either.
Actually I have, try not to put words in your opponents mouth, it makes you look ignorant.
I'm even willing to bet you have no clue where the Achaemenids kings came from, nor about the Sythians and Sassinids??
I mean we have coins of the Sassinids, Images of the Safavid Dynasty and What about what Sextus Empiricus descibing the Persians as whites and Al-Jahiz?? (Are they google and Flickr??) Whats even more devastating for you is that the Greek Images of the Achaemenids look no different than that of the Sassinids and Saffafids but were made before them.
quote:But from the writings of Diop and Rawlinson (the only two who I have read on the subject)
Obviously.
quote:they did play major roles; otherwise they wouldn’t have been depicted.
Where did I argue otherwise??
quote:When you want to prove your point, flickr pictures and pictures picked up off of Google isn’t going to help your case.
You do realize your sole source was from Googlebooks??
Further other contrary your ranting nothing I provided came "Google" other than an Image I found to refute Mike's image he found off google.
Al-Jahiz, Sextus empericus are not google..
quote:Try doing real research, read these hard cover things with paper in between them called books. They are generally housed in these huge buildings, with few people inside them, called libraries. You should find your way to one and actually read a book, it never killed anyone.
This coming from a man who does'nt even know sqat about the Achaemenids not anything about Persia that does not go along his Agenda.
You should take your own advice and read book outside your afrocentrist paradigm.
quote:Your approach is as juvenile as the other people who pick pictures of Greeks and romans from Lower Egypt and say (see, these pictures dating to 200bc show that the ancient Egyptians were white) it’s rather sophomoric and shows that you/them have an inability to approach a subject in an intellectual manner.
Actually, unfortuantely for you its not the same.
People who post images of Egyptians from the Greco Roman period(Im guessing you mean the Faiyum Portraits) fail to mention that 9 times of of ten the people depicted are Greeks and Romans or people who had their portraits made to look like a Greek or Roman. My images however are labeled and identified as Darius of Persia and a Persian soldier.
You understand the difference..?? Sadly for you the truth is devastating to your case, your best option is to claim they are fake like Clyde and Mike do. Bury your head in the sand.
quote:As I said before, it really is about context, without understanding the history as well as the peopling of these areas, your pictures mean nothing.[/b]
The only person who does'nt understand history, from my estimation here seems to be you.
[quote]The best way to put a subject to bed is with hard facts. Bring studies, and ancient accounts of people who were actually there. You can do that, and then no one can argue with you.
I did just that and I have you and your feeble attempts to "Argue", you seem to live in an alternate world.
quote:Well, they could, but they would make themselves seem rather silly. You posting pictures of supposed people of that ancient kingdom, with your dim witted assessment of what they mean, will not win the argument. Also, when speaking of “Persians” as you quoted in one of your subsequent post, do you mean the Fars people? That is a totally different subject all together. Again, context, context, context. You don’t know enough about this subject to have a well-informed/intelligent conversations. You should convene, research (that’s more than a day of googling half assed information to prove your point), THEN come and argue your case. [/QB]
After all this long winded Spam and fallacy arguments you have yet to provide evidence that refutes what I said.
Thanks for the waste of time.
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: Do you understand how these statements of yours make you seem as if your ability to approach a subject in an intelligent/rational manner is deficient? Everything is context my man.
Please show me one argument I made above that is not in context "my man", or is this rant your attempt to avoid the fact that you have no intelligent response to me.
quote:As I said, at least half of Iran to this very day is still black or mulatto. So blacks have always been there since the very beginning, and your two pictures doesn’t prove otherwise.
Strawman fallacy..
Show me where I said anywhere that Persia did not have native black peoples from the beginning. Provide direct quotes.
quote:Nor does it disprove the fact that blacks played a major role in that society. Were they the kings and queens? I have no idea,
Of course you have no idea because your interest with Persia only stems from some black washing Afrocentric agenda. Anything that does not mention blacks in Persia would not interest you.
quote:haven’t really looked into that bit, and from the looks of it, outside of you going to flickr and google, you haven’t either.
Actually I have, try not to put words in your opponents mouth, it makes you look ignorant.
I'm even willing to bet you have no clue where the Achaemenids kings came from, nor about the Sythians and Sassinids??
I mean we have coins of the Sassinids, Images of the Safavid Dynasty and What about what Sextus Empiricus descibing the Persians as whites and Al-Jahiz?? (Are they google and Flickr??) Whats even more devastating for you is that the Greek Images of the Achaemenids look no different than that of the Sassinids and Saffafids but were made before them.
quote:But from the writings of Diop and Rawlinson (the only two who I have read on the subject)
Obviously.
quote:they did play major roles; otherwise they wouldn’t have been depicted.
Where did I argue otherwise??
quote:When you want to prove your point, flickr pictures and pictures picked up off of Google isn’t going to help your case.
You do realize your sole source was from Googlebooks??
Further other contrary your ranting nothing I provided came "Google" other than an Image I found to refute Mike's image he found off google.
Al-Jahiz, Sextus empericus are not google..
quote:Try doing real research, read these hard cover things with paper in between them called books. They are generally housed in these huge buildings, with few people inside them, called libraries. You should find your way to one and actually read a book, it never killed anyone.
This coming from a man who does'nt even know sqat about the Achaemenids not anything about Persia that does not go along his Agenda.
You should take your own advice and read book outside your afrocentrist paradigm.
quote:Your approach is as juvenile as the other people who pick pictures of Greeks and romans from Lower Egypt and say (see, these pictures dating to 200bc show that the ancient Egyptians were white) it’s rather sophomoric and shows that you/them have an inability to approach a subject in an intellectual manner.
Actually, unfortuantely for you its not the same.
People who post images of Egyptians from the Greco Roman period(Im guessing you mean the Faiyum Portraits) fail to mention that 9 times of of ten the people depicted are Greeks and Romans or people who had their portraits made to look like a Greek or Roman. My images however are labeled and identified as Darius of Persia and a Persian soldier.
You understand the difference..?? Sadly for you the truth is devastating to your case, your best option is to claim they are fake like Clyde and Mike do. Bury your head in the sand.
quote:As I said before, it really is about context, without understanding the history as well as the peopling of these areas, your pictures mean nothing.[/b]
The only person who does'nt understand history, from my estimation here seems to be you.
[quote]The best way to put a subject to bed is with hard facts. Bring studies, and ancient accounts of people who were actually there. You can do that, and then no one can argue with you.
I did just that and I have you and your feeble attempts to "Argue", you seem to live in an alternate world.
quote:Well, they could, but they would make themselves seem rather silly. You posting pictures of supposed people of that ancient kingdom, with your dim witted assessment of what they mean, will not win the argument. Also, when speaking of “Persians” as you quoted in one of your subsequent post, do you mean the Fars people? That is a totally different subject all together. Again, context, context, context. You don’t know enough about this subject to have a well-informed/intelligent conversations. You should convene, research (that’s more than a day of googling half assed information to prove your point), THEN come and argue your case.
After all this long winded Spam and fallacy arguments you have yet to provide evidence that refutes what I said.
Thanks for the waste of time. [/QB]
*chuckle* you're silly
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there's plenty of Gospel, Scottish music on youtube, someone saying Gospel is similar to Scottish music or African music should be able to give examples
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The original Proto- Saharan tribes of Central Asia were known as the Kushana, Yuehshih, Mandaga (Manda > Mande), and Kasu. The four kingdoms of Saka were the Maga (Manga), Masaka, Mansa and Mandaga (Manda). The term Saka, now used to describe a late Indo-European group that conquered Central Asia formerly was used to refer to the Kushites/Proto-Saharans of ancient Central Asia. The name Maga, reminds us of the Magians or Maka, of the Persian inscriptions who lived in Media.
The ancient Sumerian name for Medea ,was Mada. One of the six tribes of Mada,was the "Mages" or "Magu" in Persian. The name Mage signified "the great,the High". Herodotus, claimed the the Medes came from Athens. This would support a Mande origin.
Mede
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Many cities of eastern Greece were early settled by the Manding speakers who presently live in West Africa. Moreover, in the Manding languages "Maga" means 'great". Moreover, the name of the King of the Soninke (Manding) speaking empire of Ghana (300 BC to AD 1100) was called Manda.
The Magians or Medians, were probably descendants of the Manding tribes which also included the Garamantes of European and Libyan fame, and in Asia under the name of Mandaga/Medians. This view is supported by linguistic, historical and cultural data.
Mede taking horses to Sargon
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The language of the Medes, like Elamite is genetically related to the Manding languages. In addition the term Mandaga agrees with the title of the Manding tribes: for example, Manda agrees with Mande, the name of major group of Africans, who along with the Dravidians settled many parts of Asia.
Further confirmation of the Mande origin of the Medes is haplogroup E3b. It is interesting to note that E3b is found in this area. The Manding speakers carry the E3b haplogroup.
William Leo Hansberry gives a great discussion of the evidence of African Kushites ruling in Asia and Africa. Some ancient scholars noted that the first rulers of Elam were of Kushite ( Kerma ? ) origin. According to Strabo, the first Elamite colony at Susa was founded by Tithnus, a King of Kush. Strabo in Book 15, Chapter 3728 wrote that in fact it is claimed that Susa was founded by Tithonus Memnon's father, and his citadel bore the name Memnonium. The Susians are also called Cissians. Aeschylus, calls Memnon's mother Cissia.
Here is King Xerxes and other Persian Brothers .
William Leo Hansberry, African History Notebook, (1981) Volume 2 noted that:
In Persia the old Negroid element seems indeed to have been sufficiently powerful to maintain the overlord of the land. For the Negritic strain is clearly evident in statuary depicting members of the royal family ruling in the second millenium B.C.
Hundreds of years later, when Xerxes invaded Greece, the type was well represented in the Persian army. In the remote mountain regions bordering on Persia and Baluchistan, there is to be found at the present time a Negroid element which bears a remarkable resemblance to the type represented on the ancient mounments. Hence the Negritic or Ethiopian type has proved persistent in this area, and in ancient times it seems to have constituted numerically and socially an important factor in the population" (p.52) .
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In the Dravidian, Egyptian, Elamite, Manding and Dravidian languages words are formed by adding an affix to a radical. In this section we will discuss certain aspects of shared Proto-Saharan morphology.
In these languages suffixes are usually used to create words. These suffixes can be a single consonant (C) or vowel (V), or a monosyllabic form (CV). The most common suffix in Dravidian, Egyptian, Elamite, Manding and Sumerian are the postfixes -ki, -ka and -ta , which are used to denote clans, nationality, lands and countries .
PLURAL
In the Proto-Saharan languages the plural is formed by adding -u,-w,-ba, -pa and -lu.In Egyptian, the --w suffix is used to form the plural. In the Dravidian (Dr.) . languages the plural if formed by -lu, especially in Telugu. In the Manding (M) group, and other African languages we find -lu or -u (-w), e.g., M. mogo 'husband,(pl.) mogo-lu 'husbands'; Telugu magaadu 'husband , man', (pl.) magaalu 'husbands'.
In many Black African languages ba means 'abundance, many'. In Elamite pa or fa is used to make plural numbers, e.g., ko-fa inna 'of the Kings', Bapitu fa-pa "to the Babylonians". The use of -pa, by the Elamites corresponds to the Manding use of the -ba suffix , which is joined to nouns to denote the idea of greatness, physical or moral e.g., na-folo 'good,rich', no-folo-ba 'great fortune'; and so-kalo 'piece', so-kala-ba 'considerable quarter of a village'.
NEGATIVE
In Black African languages including Egyptian the -n, is used to show negation. In Egyptian we often find -nn, e.g., nn wn 'there is nothing'. In Elamite the negative is formed by an uninflected nominal derivative in -n (active participle), e.g., ink 'I not", inr 'he not' and ani 'not'. This suffix is analogous to the M. negative suffix -na, employed as a suffix to -ka, e.g., ka na ku na tara so "I did not say I was going to the house" .
In Tamil the negative verbal participle is formed by suffixing a-mal or a-mei, e.g., sey (y)-a-mal 'without stopping'. The Tamil suffix -mei is also used as a terminationn for abstract nouns.
The negative suffix in Manding is -na, which is proceeded by ka and nt'i, e.g., kalu mba-nt'i. In Sumerian the negation of the verb is expressed by the prefixes nu- or la-, e.g., nu-zu "not to know", la-gin "not to fix" and nu-dug "not good. The optative mood are negatived by the element na,na-ma-pad "she may not".
PARTICLES
In Elamite personal nouns are formed by adding -ra, e.g., Kellira 'commander', kutira 'bearer'. This relates to the Manding suffix of the past and present participle -ra, this particle is used to make verbs passive or active, e.g., kyi 'send', kyi-ra 'messenger', gyi (ji) 'dry up', gyi-ra 'arid'.
In Sumerian the dative is expressed by the suffix -ra, which may appear in the form of -ar, -ir , and -ur, e.g., ma-ra 'to me', lugal-e-a-ra ' to the owner of the house'. This parallels the Manding locative suffix -ra, and -la , which can represent 'to,or, for, in ', e.g., tu-ra 'in the forest'.
The Elamite indefinite article is -ra, e.g., Parsar-ra 'a Persian', Afartu-ra 'an Elamite'. This corresponds to the Manding locative suffix -ra, e.g., Ton-ra 'land of Ton'.
The Proto-Saharan languages share the present participle -tu/-to. In Telugu (Tel.),the suffix -tu , is used as the present participle while in the Manding languages -to has the same function e.g., Tel. chestu 'made', M.tege 'to cut', tege-to 'cutting'.
The active participle in Elamite is -n, e.g., talu-n 'writing', or hali-n 'toiling'. This corresponds to the Manding -ni and -li elements e.g., sa 'buy', sanni 'buying', or du-mu 'eat', dumu-ni 'eating'. This -n, active participle is found in many other Black African languages including Egyptian.
The use of the -ka element is frequently found in the formation of Dravidian, Elamite, Egyptian, Manding and Sumerian languages. In Egyptian as outlined by Cheikh Anta Diop, in Nouvelles Recherches Sur l' Egyptien Ancien et Langues Negro-Africaines Modernes (pp.55-57), he outlines the use of /k/ and /t/ , to form agent nouns. In Parente genetique de l'Egyptien Pharonique et des langues Negro-Africaines (p.18), Diop explains the evolution of the -ky, and -kt particles.
In Elamite the passive participle is formed by -ka, e.g., hulta-ka 'done', turu-ka 'said'. This corresponds to the Manding -ka 'make, do',e.g., nyine 'see', nyini-ka 'interogate'.
In the Dravidian and Manding languages -ka, is used to represent the verb 'to be', as well as the subjunctive. For example in Manding languages ka, is a particle of different values, which corresponds to -kaa, the infinitive element in Telugu of the verb ag-uta 'to become'. In Tamil this
element appears as aaga. For example, in Manding we have a ka-nye 'it's good'; and in Telugu kaa valenu 'it is necessary'. The same radical -ka represents the optative form in Teluggu, e.g., aapani mundara kani 'how is labor given first place?'
In the Dravidian languages the suffixes -ke, -ge and -ka are used as the primitive verb 'to be' or 'to do'. They are usually used with abstract nouns e.g., ol 'to reign', ol-ka 'domination'. This corresponds to the Manding verb 'to do' ke , which is often joined to -la to form derived nouns e.g., sene 'cultivate', sene-li ke-la 'cultivator'.
These languages also share many cognate terms.
ENGLISH SUMERIAN MANDING TAMIL
chief kal,kala kele-tigi gasa(n)
field gan ga kalan
eye(l) igi akki
eye(2) ini,en nya kan
arrow kak kala kakam
granary kur k'ur-k'ur kutir
road sila sila caalai
father pap pa appan
lord manus mansa mannan
male mu moko maakkal
to recite sid siti
to buy sa sa cel
grain se se
seed gen ge 'to sprout'
English Dravidian Manding
top, summit kona kun
one ondu do
two pattu ta
four naal nani
person uki moko
fish(filet) bale bake
skin uri wuru,guru
house lon lu
head kuku ku
tongue na ne
blacksmith inumu numu
foot karal koro
liver karal kura
mud burada boro, buru
give idu di
stone kaly kulu
cloud kaar ka, kaba
fire ti ta
mountain kunru kuru
elder,grandfather maama maa-maa
ELAMITE ENGLISH MANDING
-ak and ka
turna know, awaken kuna, fori
sahri death sa
murta to erect kura
-mar from a place ma
li give di
tela to go tara
Nap God Nala
tus habitation du
husu ill-omened dyugu
kuta lance keru
lan,lani silver dala
ki one killi
ta place ta
kik sky,heaven ka
sari sculpter se
ufat steel tuufa
tela to go ta
khali great ka
dau help deema
ko king,lord ka
na say na
para to watch fere-ke
The lexical evidence above supports the hypothesis that a genetic relationship exist between Black African languages, Dravidian, Elamite and Sumerian. This linguistic data illustrates that a common cultural macrostructure is shared by these speakers which subsequently evolved along separate lines. Given this genetic unity of these languages we should call this group of Paleo-African languages situated in Africa and Asia B(lack) Af(rican), S(umerian, Draa(vidian), (E)lam: or Bafsudraalam subset of the Proto-Saharan Superset of languages.(Winters 1989)
The theory of borrowing in ancient time can not account for these morphological, lexicological and phonetic correspondences between Dravidian , Elamite, Egyptian, Manding and Sumerian, because of geographical discontinuity. This cognition illustrates a genetic relationship between the Bafsudraalam subset of the Proto-Saharan family of languages.
Winters (l989) in a comparison of 100 lexical items from Manding and Dravidian indicated a cognate rate of 70 to 75 percent . The retention rate corresponds to a minimum separation of 1.18 millennia.
Using the standard rates of retention for glottochronology, the rate for corresponding Manding, Sumerian and Tamil terms together is 50 percent retention rate, and suggest a minimum length of separation of 2.29 millennia for the group as a whole.(Winters 1989) But when we compare Manding-Sumerian
the retention rate is 70 percent or a minimum length of separation of 1.18 millennia. A comparison of Sumerian-Tamil corresponds to a 57 percent retention rate or a minimum separation of 1.50 millennia.
The length of separations for these languages are far too recent. We know for example that Sumerian had been absorbed by the Akkadian language much earlier then 2.29 millennia ago.
This was false. It appears that as late as 1000BC, Sumerian continued to be used by people in southern Mesopotamia (Jacobsen, 1988). This suggest that glottochronology may be useful in determining the relationship between various languages. This lends support to this linguistic method.
The conservative nature of these languages can be explained by socio-cultural factors. You see all languages do not change as rapidly as others. Dr. Diop, in The African Origins of Civilization, observes that "understandably stable societies man's language has changed less with the passage of time".
The linguistic evidence explains the appearance of similar artifacts recovered from Iran (Elam) , the Indus Valley and Egyptian archaeological excavations. The cultural features and works of art are analogous because these people came from a common origin in the ancient Saharan region of Africa.
There is textual evidence supporting a relationship between the founders of Sumer, Elam and Dilmun. Col. Henry Rawlinson , used textual evidence to determine that a link existed between the Mesopotamians to their ancestors in Africa . Rawlinson called these people Kushites.
There is a positive relationship between crania from Africa and Eurasia. The archaeologist Marcel-Auguste Dieulafoy (Dieulafoy,2004) and Hanberry (1981) maintains that their was a Sub-Saharan strain in Persia . These researchers maintain that it was evident that an Ethiopian dynasty ruled Elam from a perusal of its statuary of the royal family and members of the army ( Dieulafoy, 2004; Dieulafoy, 2010;Hansberry,1981). Dieulafoy (2010 ) noted that the textual evidence and iconography make it clear that the Elamites were Africans, and part of the Kushite confederation .Dieulafoy (2010) made it clear that the Elamites at Susa were Sub-Saharan Africans.
Marcel Dieulafoy and M. de Quatrefages observed that the craniometrics of the ancient Elamites of Susa indicate that they were Sub-Saharan Africans or Negroes (Dieulafoy,2010). Ancient Sub-Saharan African skeletons have also been found in Mesopotamia (Tomczyk et al, 2010). The craniometric data indicates that continuity existed between ancient and medieval Sub-Saharan Africans in Mesopotamia (Ricault & Waelkens,2008).
Rawlinson,H. “ Letter read at the meeting of the Royal Asiatic Society on February 5, 1853”, The Athenaeum, (No. 1321) ,p.228.
Rawlinson,H. “Note on the early History of Babylonia”, Journal Royal Asiatic Soc., 15, 215-259.
Ricaut,F.X. and Waelkens.2008. Cranial Discrete Traits in a Byzatine Population and Eastern Mediterranean Population Movements, Hum Biol, 80(5):535-564.
Tomczyk,J., Jedrychowska-Danska, K., Ploszaj,T & Witas H.W. (2010). Anthropological analysis of the osteological material from an ancient tomb (Early Bronze Age) from the middle Euphrates valley, Terqa (Syria) , International Journal of Osteoarchaeology, Retrieved 04/04/10 from (www.interscience.wiley.com)DOI:10.1002/oa.1150
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^Why do Turk mulattoes have such identity problems?
Worst yet, when they go to the Albinos in the north, they are sh1t upon. Which of course they deserve, but still, it seems strange that they try so hard to be like, and accepted, by people who sh1t on them - very strange.
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arman, you have to match the skin tone for Elamites:
Elamite Elamite
^^^ notice like the colored relief above the man's hair has a large straight section. This implies that the curled sections were artificailly curled (or the staright sections were artifcially straightened)
Elamite Elamite
Assyrian Assyrian
^^^the beards here have been artificially altered by hair styling methods
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quote:Originally posted by arman: Oh Look another white person with curly hair.
quote:Originally posted by arman: Oh look, even Tom Jones has curly hair, is he black too?
quote:Originally posted by arman: Oh look, even Don Stark from that 70's show has curly hair. Is he black too?
quote:Originally posted by arman: Oh, look even Danny Masterson from that 70's show has a curly hair. Is he black too? Am I embarrassing you guys? Tell when you had enough.
quote:Originally posted by arman: Oh look, even james caan has curly hair. Is he black too?
quote:Originally posted by arman: Oh look, even Jeremy Clarkson has curly hair. Is he black too?
You don't know their genetic makeup and ancestry.
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Dr. Rick A Kittles
The graph also depicts another variable, one that is of interest to the historian—endogamous group membership or ethnic self-identity. Each dot in the chart is encoded to show whether the person sampled claimed to be a member of the U.S. White endogamous group (diamond shape, 187 individuals) or of the U.S. Black endogamous group (open circle, 232 individuals). (The x-shaped plots represent a population of British West Indian ethnicity living in London.12) The graph refers to these three groups as European American, African American, and African Caribbean, respectively, and the text explains that this trait was self-assessed and independent of actual genetics.
With this added information, three aspects of the scatter diagram suddenly jump out at you. First, there is significant overlap between White and Black Americans regarding Afro-European genetic admixture. Some so-called “Black” Americans have less DNA admixture of African ancestral origin than do some so-called “White” Americans. Second, the admixture range of Black Americans spans the entire chart. While most of the subjects who self-identify as Black (marked as circles) have strong African admixture (are found towards the right), some have little or no African admixture (are found at the left edge). Finally, although the range of genetic admixture in those who self-identify as “White” is narrower than the admixture range of Blacks, it is still significant. Many so-called “White” Americans have as much as 20 percent or more of African genetic admixture.
The next graph, “Afro-European Genetic Admixture as a Function of Ethnicity” below, was taken from a different study. It also matches ancestral continent-of-origin genetic admixture for several hundred individuals with their ethnic self-identity or endogamous group membership.
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Genetic Admixture is not the Same as Appearance
About one-third of White Americans are of between two and twenty percent recent African genetic admixture, as measured by the ancestry-informative markers in their DNA.19 This comes to about 74 million Americans. And yet, day-to-day experience teaches that virtually all White Americans look, well, White. Some may look more Mediterranean and others may look more Nordic, but very few White Americans have a distinctively African appearance. How can one reconcile DNA measurements with common experience?An anecdote may help illustrate the problem. Look again at the chart of Skin Tone as Function of Afro-European Admixture. Consider one of the graph’s outlier points—a “European American” individual plotted as having 11 percent20 African genetic admixture. Dr. Shriver, the project team leader, became curious about this individual for two reasons. First, the person’s African genetic admixture was unusually high for someone who self-identified as a member of the U.S. White endogamous group. Second, the sample had been taken from State College, Pennsylvania, the site of Dr. Shriver’s own campus.21 According to Dr. Shriver:
I had the result for two or three years before I even looked up the ID number of the person whom we tested. I looked at who it was and it was me! I checked myself and the rest of my relatives and tracked it through my family. I never considered that there were any African people in my family. There’s no real variation in my family. The admixture must have been pretty far back. It just so happens that we can detect it with the markers we have. My mom especially stood out as being surprised, maybe because I told her it was coming through her father. She still doesn’t believe it about her family! The part of Pennsylvania where my mother’s father came from is where the Underground Railroad ended. There are several towns right here in Southern Pennsylvania where there are very light-skinned African-American communities that are the remnants of the Underground Railroad.22
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Yorkshireman found to share DNA with African tribes
Scientists from Leicester University made the finding during research sponsored by The Wellcome Trust.
They were examining the relationship between the male, or Y, chromosome and surnames.
Like surnames, the Y-chromosome is passed from father to son, virtually unchanged through generations.
Professor Mark Jobling said: "We found John was in the A1 group of Y-chromosomes, which is very rare and highly west African-specific.
The University's Director of Archaeological Museums, Lindsay Allason-Jones, who has organized an exhibition of the Museum's Romano-African artefacts to coincide with Black History Month, says: 'From the evidence we have here, it is clear that colour was no bar to the status an individual could achieve in the Roman Empire'...
“Africans have been present in Europe from classical times. In the 2nd and 3rd centuries Roman soldiers of African origin served in Britain, and some stayed after their military service ended. According to the historians Fryer, Edwards and Walvin, in the 9th century Viking fleets raided North Africa and Spain, captured Black people, and took them to Britain and Ireland.
From the end of the 15th century we begin to see more evidence for the presence of Black Moors in the accounts of the reign of King James IV of Scotland, and later in Elizabethan England.”
* Source "ANOTHER AFROCENTRIC" lol: The National Archives of Scotland.
"The King Provides Clothes for the Party A variety of fabrics were used to make clothing for the Moors - velvet ('wellus'), woollen kersey ('carsay') and fine Holland linen - which was decorated or fastened with buttons, rings or other ornaments ('mailyeis'). These were paid for by the treasury of King James IV. It seems that these Moors were not servants; it is more likely that they were invited guests staying at the palace. Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer of Scotland, vol. 3, p. 101 (1505)"
"The King Requests an Audience with a Black Baby This extract from the Lord High Treasurer's accounts show that in 1505/6 a payment of 28 shillings was made to 'the nuris that brocht the Moris barne to see, be the Kingis command'. The king must have known of this child to ask to see it." "The child may have been that of the 'More taubronar', the Black drummer at court. Treasury accounts also itemise accommodation for the 'wife of the taubronar and his barne'. This would suggest that the drummer was living at the palace with his family. Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer of Scotland, vol. 3, p. 182 (1505/6)"
This image, an extract from the 60ft-long Westminster Tournament Roll, shows six trumpeters, one of whom is Black and is almost certainly John Blanke. All the trumpeters are wearing yellow and grey, with blue purses at their waists. John Blanke is the only one wearing a brown turban latticed with yellow. He is mounted on a grey horse with a black harness.
The image of who they speak...so let us make no mistake about it. lol
Westminster Tournament Roll (1511) By permission of The College of Arms, London
So who were the Numerus Maurorum Aurelianorum and why are they so important to the Black British community? Our key evidence for this unit is a 4th century inscription, found in 1934 at the village of Beaumont two miles east of Burgh-by-Sands on the banks of the River Eden, and known as the Beaumont inscription. Translated from the Latin it reads:
To Jupiter Best and Greatest and the Majesty of our two Emperors, to the Genius [guardian spirit] of the numerus of Aurelian Moors, Valerianus’ and Gallienus’ own, Caelius Vibianus, cohort-tribune in charge of the above-mentioned numerus, [set up this altar] through the agency of Julius Rufinus, senior centurion.
quote:Originally posted by arman: Oh look, eve Kramer from Seinfeld has curly hair so he must be black too!?
Auton et al. [8] presented nuclear genome-based evidence for sharing of sub-Saharan African ancestry in some West Eurasians, by identifying a North-South gradient of haplotype sharing between Europeans and sub-Saharan Africans, with the highest proportion of haplotype sharing observed in south/southwestern Europe. However, none of these studies used genome-wide data to estimate the proportion of African ancestry in West Eurasians, or the date(s) of mixture.
We observe that many Levantine, Southern European and Jewish populations are shifted towards San compared to Northern Europeans, consistent with African mixture, and motivating formal testing for the presence of African ancestry (Figure 1, Figure S2). lol
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Thank you for this photos Mike some of them look like ancient Elamites and others like the remnants of the people of Darius and Xerxes - the Dahae. Some, however, are possibly of more recent Makrani AFricans.
The original Kerman or Carmani which are mentioned by Herodotus were likely connected to the Daae and Derbikes.
Did someone fail to mention that there were African slaves in Iran brought from East Africa during the Qajar dynasty, who were mostly concentrated in Hormozgan, Sistan-Baluchestan and Khuzestan?
Thats Afrocentric scholarship for ya...leave out the parts that don't agree with what you are trying to claim!
And what about the report from Strabo, Diodoros and Heradotus that clearly state there was a clear "ethiopian" presence in Persia? Slavery can't explain that.
Mike, these pics are awesome beautiful.
A ancient Kushite (Relief from the eastern stairs of the Apadana at Persepolis)
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Nubian with oryx, monkey, and leopard skins, 8th–7th century b.c.; Neo-Assyrian period; Phoenician style
Excavated at Fort Shalmaneser, Nimrud (ancient Kalhu), Mesopotamia Ivory
H. 5 5/16 in. (13.5 cm) Rogers Fund, 1960 (60.145.11)
Furniture decorated with carved ivory plaques was a symbol of wealth throughout the Near East during the early first millennium B.C. The ivories were carved in the major centers of Phoenicia—along the eastern Mediterranean coast—as well as in Syria and the Assyrian plains. Assyrian conquests beginning in the ninth century B.C. brought richly decorated furniture as booty and tribute from the cities of Syria and Phoenicia, and craftsmen taken prisoner from these cities probably continued to carve ivories on the Assyrian coast.
Some Phoenician-style ivories are solid plaques, while others are carved on one or both sides in a delicate openwork technique. Many originally were covered by gold leaf and inlaid with semiprecious stones or colored glass. Such rich combinations of ivory, gold, and brightly colored stones made the thrones of the Assyrian kings famous for their exquisite beauty. Most ivories carved in the Phoenician style were probably produced during the late eighth and seventh centuries B.C.
Phoenician ivory carvers were strongly influenced by the themes and style of Egyptian art owing to longstanding ties between the two cultures. Some Phoenician ivories illustrate purely Egyptian themes, but many use Egyptian motifs in entirely original compositions.
This Nubian tribute bearer exhibits traits of the Phoenician style, characterized by the slender, elongated form of the bearer and his animal gifts, the precision of carving and intricacy of detail, and the distinct Egyptian flavor of both pose and features
Source: Nubian with oryx, monkey, and leopard skins [Excavated at Fort Shalmaneser, Nimrud (ancient Kalhu), Mesopotamia] (60.145.11) | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art
Citation
"Nubian with oryx, monkey, and leopard skins [Excavated at Fort Shalmaneser, Nimrud (ancient Kalhu), Mesopotamia] (60.145.11)". In Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History. New York: The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 2000 ndash;. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/60.145.11 (October 2006)
Source: Nubian with oryx, monkey, and leopard skins [Excavated at Fort Shalmaneser, Nimrud (ancient Kalhu), Mesopotamia] (60.145.11) | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art
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Hi Everyone, I was away for a while. Anyways, where was I? Oh yes, look at Valeria Golino. She has curly hair with blue eyes. Is she black too? Posts: 28 | From: Australia | Registered: Aug 2011
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And finally here is my photo. 100% Persian. All my relatives are the same. Although majority prefer to straighten their hair, otherwise curly by nature. Do I look black to you? Posts: 28 | From: Australia | Registered: Aug 2011
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My final word: In my posts, no racism is intended. As I said before, I really hope one day black people get over their inferiority complex and instead of trying to attach themselves to other civilizations, build something on their own.
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^ Arman, you waste your time. You are dealing with race-crazed black idiots whose low self-esteem have made them no different from the race-crazed white idiots who want to white-wash ancient African cultures. No amount of picture spamming will change anything.
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quote:Originally posted by arman: And finally here is my photo. 100% Persian. All my relatives are the same. Although majority prefer to straighten their hair, otherwise curly by nature. Do I look black to you?
Hey, I didn't say anything
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quote:Originally posted by arman: And finally here is my photo. 100% Persian. All my relatives are the same. Although majority prefer to straighten their hair, otherwise curly by nature. Do I look black to you?
You are Caucasoid. Look like an Orientalid blend (Iranid/Arabid) with minor Armenid/Assyrid.
Curly hair is Caucasoid. Wooly hair is Negroid.
The Afronuts fail to distinguish between the two.
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Cranial studies as late as the Iranian bronze age show that some in the Persian region resembled tropical Africans who of course vary widely in looks. They were NOT identical to tropical Africans but resembled them on numerous counts re cranial analysis. Tropical Africans can have light skin and narrow noses due to:
(a) adaptation to the numerous micro-climes INSIDE THE TROPICAL ZONES
(b) migration out of heavy tropic zones into sub-tropic ones with corresponding adaptation over time
(c) built-in, original African genetic diversity
These 3 factors cover all bases. Tropical Africans can vary simply by residing enough time in a different climatic zone within Africa but even this isn't needed given the massive built-in diversity of native Africa. Hence no mass influxes of "Middle Easterners" or bogus "Mediterraneans" are needed to give tropical Africans diversity. SO tropical African variants in ancient Mesopotamia would be nothing new.
Tropical climates are extremely diverse – from humid rainforest, to higher altitude cold zones, to arid deserts with sharply dropping night temperatures. Scientists find that nose width is correlated with climate – with narrower noses seen in dry, conditions such as desert areas in eastern parts of Africa. Tropical Africans are not static people but move around within the continent.
QUOTE: "Tropical climates range from oppressively hot and humid lowlands to cold, snow-covered mountains, from hot, dry deserts to cold, dry deserts, from extreme seasonal variability of precipitation to nearly constant year-round conditions." --Huston. M. (1994) Biological diversity: the coexistence of species on changing landscapes Cambridge university Press. p 498
QUOTE: "An important function of the nose is to warm and moisten inspired air. When air is exhaled, some heat and moisture are lost to the surroundings. The longer the nasal passage, the more efficient the nose is for warming and moistening incoming air and also the less heat and moisture are lost on exhalation. A narrow, high nose gives a longer nasal passage than a low, broad nose. Therefore, in cold or dry conditions, a high, narrow nose is preferable for warming and moistening air before it reaches the lings, and for reducing loss of heat and moisture in expired air. In hot, humid conditions a low, broad nose serves to dissipate heat (Wolpoff 1968; Franciscis and Long 1991)... The pattern of variation in nasal index corresponds very broadly to that expected if nasal form is indeed an adaptation to regional climate.
The highest nasal index values, representing broad, low noses, tend to be those of populations in humid tropical regions of Africa and south-east Asia. Populations with low mean nasal indices (high, narrow noses) tend to be found in the cold, northern latitudes, and also in arid regions, such as the desert areas of east Africa and the Arabian peninsula. ..Davies found the nasal index taken in the living was closely correlated with skeletal nasal index. This suggests that there should likewise be an association between skeletal nasal index and climatic zone, and indeed other workers have found this to be the case.“ -- Mays. S. (2010). The Archaeology of Human Bones. Pg 100-101
2011 study finds significant correlation between nasal shape and climate. Dry areas are common in tropical zone micro-climates such as deserts.
QUOTE: “"The nasal cavity is essential for humidifying and warming the air before it reaches the sensitive lungs. Because humans inhabit environments that can be seen as extreme from the perspective of respiratory function, nasal cavity shape is expected to show climatic adaptation.. We report significant correlations between nasal cavity shape and climatic variables of both temperature and humidity. Variation in nasal cavity shape is correlated with a cline from cold-dry climates to hot-humid climates, with a separate temperature and vapor pressure effect. " -- Noback, M. et al. (2011) Climate-related variation of the human nasal cavity. AJPA, 145: 4. 599-614
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arman - I never said that you were Black. I said that PERSIANS were Black.
YOU are a delusional mulatto, no different than the ones in Egypt, Iraq, Turkey, Arabia, etc.
And of course the same goes for that Negrito/Mongol mulatto mutt from the Philippines, your new friend Djehuti.
I say, it's best for mutts to stay out of the conversation, because all you do is transfer your racial confusion to others.
arman, you are a perfect example, you want to claim Persian heritage but not Persian color or race.
Well, truth be told, I wouldn't want something like you claiming to be Black. But I'm not going to let you claim Persian either - that's your lying Albino side talking there, and I'm having none of it.
This is what a PERSIAN LOOKED LIKE - AND YOU DON'T COME CLOSE!
THIS IS WHAT A TURK LOOKED LIKE - AND I DO SEE THE RESEMBLANCE!
Note to Lioness, Doxie, and Cass:
See how "ADMIXTURE" Works?
They are called "Mulattoes".
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NOW BOTH OF YOU KEEP QUIET!
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