I have a hard time figuring out how you get to decide who are indigenous Arabians and who are descendants of slaves. What are your criteria for coming to your conclusions, I mean, do you just type in Arabian, and post whatever comes up?
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have you learned anything? Some old dark low quality photos can be misleading perhaps?
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The Black Kings of Arabia:
Sa'ad Ibn Abdul Rahman the only full-blood brother of Ibn Saud, the original Saud
Not getting involved in this Arguement between you and Lioness. Just wanted to aay This man looks like an Ethiopian. He could be from any country in the Horn.
Now I may not agree that All the Saudi kings were Black, but this man seems like he could easily be African.
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Sa'ad Ibn Abdul Rahman the only full-blood brother of Ibn Saud, the original Saud. He was killed in the battle of Kinzaan against the Ajman tribe in 1916.
this is a good thread because Mike does the same thing, uses dark very early photos to try to pretend these folks like these were Negroes
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Prince Bandar the true Heir of the house of Saud and Nelson Mandela. Feel the love?
Your agenda is now exposed:
Bandar bin Sultan
For those who know him, Bandar has grown up unhappy and deprived of any real fatherly love. His mother was a slave girl of Sudanese origin, which caused his father to steer clear of him. Because of the status of his mother, his father, Defence Minister Sultan has for a long time denied that Bandar was his son. So intense was Sultan's irrational behaviour that he thought that Bandar would grow up with a slave mentality. Sultan only refrained from disowning Bandar as a result of King Faisal's intervention.
Stop trying to pass off slave descendants as real Arabians. They are new comers to the peninsula, who came there against their will.
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Be careful, Lyin_ss might post a lightened up version from a different site.lol!
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^^^^^be careful, if you post ANY other photos of
King Saud bin Abdul Aziz (1953-64) eldest surving son of
King Abdul-Aziz of Saudi Arabia (Ibn Saud, the first monarch of Saudi Arabia) Ironedlion's picture tricks will become apparent. Go to Saudi Arabia and try to peddle this nonsense.
These guys are a bunch of decandent bastards anyway.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Sa'ad Ibn Abdul Rahman the only full-blood brother of Ibn Saud, the original Saud. He was killed in the battle of Kinzaan against the Ajman tribe in 1916.
this is a good thread because Mike does the same thing, uses dark very early photos to try to pretend these folks like these were Negroes
Actually thats your word Lyin_ss. Most people don't call dark skinned African looking people Negroes. But obviously you do.
Let's try to stop lightening up photos these people weren't named ibn Saud for nothing.
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness: [qb] Sa'ad Ibn Abdul Rahman the only full-blood brother of Ibn Saud, the original Saud. He was killed in the battle
This man reflects his Bakr bin Wa'il ancestors, just like their brethren Taghlib bin Wa'il of the Dawasir belonged to tall black and beautiful and ARAB inhabitants of Yemamah in central Arabia. Daawasir were not long ago the "tallest" and "blackest of the Arabs".
I personally wish they would have chosen better looking concubines. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: [ Abdul Aziz ibn Saud (1876- 1953) [/qb]
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Abdul Aziz ibn Saud (1876- 1953)
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Oromo (Galla Ethiopian) royalty
i don't know if someone is confusing the many abdul azziz men in the Saudi royal family. But what is certain is that the original Saudi ones weren't fair at all.
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Apparently none of you realize some white people have the ability to tan:
How do they do it? Sun tan lotion you say. Yes today that's how they do it. While some use an artifical tanning product most don't becasue that is not perfected and it makes them look too orange. Most folk of the white persuasion, as you will notice, use sun tan lotion which does not color the skin at all, it just regulates the sun exposure so that the person browns from the natural melanin their body produces as with the man above. Lying in the sun on a beach is not something that is traditional and doing it with no protection it is not advisable even for Muurs. Think of sun tan lotion as a Jimmy hat for the skin. The fact that certain white people who tan use sun tan lotion can get tanned means that they can also tan without sun tan lotion. Sun tan lotion is just a covenience. Without it the person would have to go out the first day for only a few minutes and then day by day increase the minutes until tanned. This, although tedious, would avoid being burned compared to a sudden prolonged exposure. If they got the tanned it would be an ongoing browned complexion if they remained in given environment. So use your brains, these Sauds were not negroes. Were they white? Not necessarily some would not find the sterotypes "black" or "white" sufficient to categorize them and many other people of the world. even awlaadberry knows better than to jump on this three wheeled bandwagon Posts: 42935 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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quote:Originally posted by Manu: Again..name the Turkish or Slavic wives in the Saud family.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The original Sauds:
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Manu I hope you see my point now! May your eyes and conscience be the judge..
quote:Originally posted by Manu: [QUOTE] [qb] ...
His pure Saudi half siblings:
Fahd bin Sultan
Khalid bin Sultan
Some of his close relatives:
Mohammed bin Fahd
Sultan bin Fahd
And the above? Do you see my point???
“…before evening Ibn Saud had sent camels post haste to fetch him back. He called Shalub to him, sat him down beside him and after talking with him for a while sent him to his house. When Shalub arrived he found waiting for him as a present from Ibn Saud a white-skinned and exquisitely desirable Georgian slave-girl, who was beautiful but, for he was past his prime, made his life a burden.’ Lord of Arabia ibn Saud an intimate study of a King . "
From the biography - Lord of Arabia: Ibn Saud, An intimate Study of a King, by Harold C. Armstrong
A 19th century Dictionary of Islam states of the trade in the Arabian peninsula:. “the female white slave is kept solely for the master’s sensual gratification and is sold when he is tired of her, and so she passes from master to master a very wreck of womanhood.”
Maybe someone aside from myself would like to research which concubine birthed which ruler. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: “…before evening Ibn Saud had sent camels post haste to fetch him back. He called Shalub to him, sat him down beside him and after talking with him for a while sent him to his house. When Shalub arrived he found waiting for him as a present from Ibn Saud a white-skinned and exquisitely desirable Georgian slave-girl, who was beautiful but, for he was past his prime, made his life a burden.’ Lord of Arabia ibn Saud an intimate study of a King . "
From the biography - Lord of Arabia: Ibn Saud, An intimate Study of a King, by Harold C. Armstrong
Maybe someone aside from myself would like to research which concubine birthed which ruler. [/QB]
"Behold, I have sent you Hanya, the commissioner of the archers, with merchandise in order to have beautiful concubines, i.e. weavers; silver, gold, garments, turquoises, all sorts of precious stones, chairs of ebony, as well as all good things, worth 160 deben. In total: forty concubines - the price of every concubine is forty of silver. Therefore, send very beautiful concubines without blemish." Amenhotep III ordered forty girls from Milkilu, a Canaanite prince, paying 40 kit of silver for each:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Apparently none of you realize some white people have the ability to tan:
How do they do it? Sun tan lotion you say. Yes today that's how they do it. While some use an artifical tanning product most don't because that is not perfected and it makes them look too orange. Most folk of the white persuasion, as you will notice, use sun tan lotion which does not color the skin at all, it just regulates the sun exposure so that the person browns from the natural melanin their body produces as with the man above. Lying in the sun on a beach is not something that is traditional and doing it with no protection it is not advisable even for Muurs. Think of sun tan lotion as a Jimmy hat for the skin. The fact that certain white people who tan use sun tan lotion can get tanned means that they can also tan without sun tan lotion. Sun tan lotion is just a covenience. Without it the person would have to go out the first day for only a few minutes and then day by day increase the minutes until tanned. This, although tedious, would avoid being burned compared to a sudden prolonged exposure. If they got the tanned it would be an ongoing browned complexion if they remained in given environment. So use your brains, these Sauds were not negroes. Were they white? Not necessarily some would not find the sterotypes "black" or "white" sufficient to categorize them and many other people of the world. even awlaadberry knows better than to jump on this three wheeled bandwagon
Speak for yourself Lyin_ss, not everybody lives in Sweden and is that naive not to know that many Eurasiatic people tan. But some tanned people are born that way - OBVIOUSLY.
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: “…before evening Ibn Saud had sent camels post haste to fetch him back. He called Shalub to him, sat him down beside him and after talking with him for a while sent him to his house. When Shalub arrived he found waiting for him as a present from Ibn Saud a white-skinned and exquisitely desirable Georgian slave-girl, who was beautiful but, for he was past his prime, made his life a burden.’ Lord of Arabia ibn Saud an intimate study of a King . "
From the biography - Lord of Arabia: Ibn Saud, An intimate Study of a King, by Harold C. Armstrong
Maybe someone aside from myself would like to research which concubine birthed which ruler.
"Behold, I have sent you Hanya, the commissioner of the archers, with merchandise in order to have beautiful concubines, i.e. weavers; silver, gold, garments, turquoises, all sorts of precious stones, chairs of ebony, as well as all good things, worth 160 deben. In total: forty concubines - the price of every concubine is forty of silver. Therefore, send very beautiful concubines without blemish." Amenhotep III ordered forty girls from Milkilu, a Canaanite prince, paying 40 kit of silver for each:
^^^dana, comments? [/QB]
On what Lyin_ss, I think Canaanites (Banu Kinaanah) and women of the Caucasus were and are two different peoples.
What would you like me to comment on? Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^^^be careful, if you post ANY other photos of
King Saud bin Abdul Aziz (1953-64) eldest surving son of
King Abdul-Aziz of Saudi Arabia (Ibn Saud, the first monarch of Saudi Arabia) Ironedlion's picture tricks will become apparent. Go to Saudi Arabia and try to peddle this nonsense.
These guys are a bunch of decandent bastards anyway.
Why so frustrated and angry Lyin_ss, as you can see the concubines one out in the area of phenotype of modern Saudi rulers.
BTW - do women still live in Saudi Arabia, because personally I wouldn't take that kind of risk of going over there?
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quote:Originally posted by Manu: IronLion you have been exposed.
Stop trying to pass off slave descendants as real Arabians. They are new comers to the peninsula, who came there against their will.
you can say that again. ALL OF THEM. . “the female white slave is kept solely for the master’s sensual gratification and is sold when he is tired of her, and so she passes from master to master a very wreck of womanhood.” 19th century DICTIONARY OF ISLAM
Everybody knows that to be the son of a white slave or a white anything is more valuable today among Middle Easterners than a black or sumr one. The same goes for Egypt -
"Samara, or "Darkie", traditionally a term of endearment, has today taken on pejorative connotations in contemporary Egypt. The ugly forces of "shadism" are also at work in the country. Shadism, as a social and politico-economic occurrence was, and perhaps still is, pervasive in the Caribbean and among African Americans. Lighter-skinned blacks, who presumably had a greater infusion of white blood have been considered socially superior to darker, full-blooded blacks...." A question of colour
14-08-2002
8 - 14 August 2002 Issue No. 598
Cairo, AL-AHRAM
This is too bad but its not going to change who the original Arabs and dynastic Egyptians were related to and what they looked like.
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If we look at your last point that slavery of Europeans . Then why bother trying to argue that anyone in the house of Saud is black?European slaves go back to the 8th and 9th century. If you apply this logic the whole premise of the thread that Ibn Saud and his brothers are the "Black Kings of Arabis" is rendered completlely null and void, mulattoes at best.
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all we need do is out him back in a time machine out a keffiyeh on his head, tell him to take on a mean look, take a picture with an old camera and, shazam, dana dane and Ironedlion will be trying to sell him as a black Arab
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Look at this, actor George Hamilton
all we need do is out him back in a time machine out a keffiyeh on his head, tell him to take on a mean look, take a picture with an old camera and, shazam, .....
Really?
Original Saud
The difference is clear!
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: If we look at your last point that slavery of Europeans . Then why bother trying to argue that anyone in the house of Saud is black?European slaves go back to the 8th and 9th century. If you apply this logic the whole premise of the thread that Ibn Saud and his brothers are the "Black Kings of Arabis" is rendered completlely null and void, mulattoes at best.
Oh was that your premise Lyin _ss. Sorry i missed that. 'cause they certainly is some mulattos today although it looks like the mulattoish is 'bout to be bred out of them as well. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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Arabs those of saudi arabia and yemen are really tied to people of the horn I would bet they are related. I guess you can say that arabia and the horn are one
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quote:Originally posted by AswaniAswad: Arabs those of saudi arabia and yemen are really tied to people of the horn I would bet they are related. I guess you can say that arabia and the horn are one
Correction - only some people in Saudi Arabia are "related" to modern peoples of the Horn. Many are not.
The point is west Arabia was considered part of Africa until the 19th century, while most of Central Arabia was considered part of Bilad es Sudan in the time of early Syrian writers. The people of African Asiatic speech and culture were not Syrians and were an extension of AFricans of the Mesolithic Neolithc and Bronze Ages into Arabia.
Sorry if this information hurts some people, and that black people have always and do trade slaves. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: And now we have the father of Abdul Al Aziz bin Rahman bin Saud:
This is Rahman bin Saud 1850 - 1928! The root of Abdul Al Aziz al Saud
Look at the the title:black kings of Arabia.Ironlion killed this thread showing us an unmistakable HOA type as being the progenitor of the whole royal line. Further denial is just spam. Fyi,I specifically remember seeing smth about them being actually black Jews.The info came out in the late 60s and their behaviour actually bears out this contention.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: A group of forcibly displaced people in north Yemen. Many are desperately in need of aid.
Those people are Hibashi (Ethiopian) they are called Akhdam and are the descendants of the Ethiopians who ruled over Southern Arabia for Hundreds of years.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: And now we have the father of Abdul Al Aziz bin Rahman bin Saud:
This is Rahman bin Saud 1850 - 1928! The root of Abdul Al Aziz al Saud
Look at the the title:black kings of Arabia.Ironlion killed this thread showing us an unmistakable HOA type as being the progenitor of the whole royal line. Further denial is just spam. Fyi,I specifically remember seeing smth about them being actually black Jews.The info came out in the late 60s and their behaviour actually bears out this contention.
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'cause they certainly is some mulattos today although it looks like the mulattoish is 'bout to be bred out of them as well. 
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