quote:Originally posted by Doug M: African American women buy hair products and use hairstyles directly manufactured by white European companies like Clairol, Loreal and others who doo not promote or sell products for African hair textures or hair styles. Therefore, in buying those products and wearing those styles they are indeed looking like white women.
Another stupid post that doesn't back up your claims, unless you can post proof of the white European who invented the hairstyle that Mary is wearing this post of yours is empty and no one shouldn't take you seriously, I would also like to ask you again what is the reason for curly perms and ass implants?
And please do tell me what white European created this style?
quote:Originally posted by EuroNutSlayer: This is really stupid Africans didn't utilize hair chemicals because they didn't have that out, in the past. This is something that most women us now including Africans themselves, so I don't get the issue?
Chemical relaxer could have very well been invented without slavery, who knows.
African woman with a perm.-
The point is moot because hair relaxer exists within a specific social and cultural framework that did not exist in Africa: the need to make tight curly natural African hair look like white peoples long straight hair. Hence, claiming that Africans "would have invented it" without a desire to have a hair texture and hair styles that is not natural to Africans is almost impossible to imagine. What social or cultural conditions would have had to exist for Africans not to love an express themselves through their natural hair texture as they have always been doing? The only social and cultural forces which would cause this is immersion in and oppression by a culture that promotes white culture and society as the dominant culture and lifestyle over and above all others. Hair relaxers and perms exist because of the experience of Africans in America is a perfect example of exactly such social and cultural conditions necessary for such things to be created. Otherwise, hair relaxers and perms would have been created in Africa thousands of years ago, without whites but it wasn't, precisely because the social and cultural conditions did not exist for such things to be created.
Deny it all you want, but African Americans are simply trying to fit into a European oriented society and culture. It isn't African and trying to pretend otherwise is pure nonsense.
First of all everything that you said right now is bullshit second off these are just your opinions, you really don't have a clue rather Africans would have did stuff to straighten their hair or if they wouldn't, Hair perms wouldn't had been made in the past for the same reason that Africans didn't create guns back than and other advance technology there simply wasn't the means.
Women change their hairstyles up all the time and they are always looking for the new style.
There are Africans in Africa with straight hair so rather these Africans would have been influenced by other Africans who knows.
But since you think you know so much what is the reason for white women wanting to have curly hair and who influenced them to do so?
Like I said women all women utilize relaxers because they want a new hair style it has nothing to do with wanting to be white, and more to do with manageability and a new hair style.
The simple point is that the usage of relaxers and perms goes back to a time when black society was trying to fit in to the larger white society and culture.
And the proof of this is documented by the people themselves that created such things and the people that used them. It is also proven by the fact that the styles they chose were the same as those being worn by whites. That didn't just happen for no reason other than blacks wanted to fit in with the larger white society and culture around them, which historically had imposed itself on them and their definitions and standards of beauty as well. The fact that some people on this board would try and deny these simple facts of history are beyond logical and pathetic. I take no pride in trying to distort the past and painting a reality that is fake, just as fake as the hair many black women are wearing on their heads.
I don't have to pretend otherwise in order to make you feel good about reality for what it is.
The fact that you think you are defending black women by distorting history and outright lying is simply a travesty of intelligent conversation.
They wear their hair the way they do because that is what white folks told them is popular because most of the styles they wear are primarily white European hairstyles and textures.
And proof of that is as simple as looking at the products sold by Loreal and all the other white European owned and dominated cosmetic and hair products, which do not make African textured hair styles or promote them if they have them at all. Since black people don't control or own such companies, their history and culture has absolutely no bearing on the styles and trends promoted by them as those styles and trends are based on European tastes and styles. Pure and simple.
Again more bullshit and personal opinions, the use of relaxers were used for manageability thats how it was in the past, that is how it is today, and I will say most of the hair styles that people were wearing weren't white hairstyles they were black, anyone who knows their history would know that black people have been setting the trends, these are all facts, blk people have made alot of stuff popular, you are the one over here being emotional like a female making long ass post about some damn relaxers and acting like you know what youre talking about when you are only making yourself look like an emotional jackass anyone can see this **** plain as day but you.
Please tell me what influenced these blk women to wear this hairstyle?
Did white women influence these black women?
LOL the facts are black women been creating their own distinct hairstyles that don't have a damn thing to do with white women, and its white women aswell as men who copy blacks for the most part, although there has been some cultural influence back and forth, no one is denying that, but black people here have created their own sense of style, and only an emotional idiot would deny that.
Now you are not only denying the history of European culture and society in America, you are denying chemistry:
quote: Dark and Lovely Kids® Beautiful Beginnings No-Mistake Nourishing No-Lye Crème Relaxer provides the desired straightness while nourishing your child's hair.
By definition, hair relaxer makes hair straight for people with natural curly textured hair.
The fact that people are going to such lengths to deny basic facts shows in fact they are arguing from emotion not logic. I argue from facts not emotion.
Now if you don't accept the statements of the manufacturers themselves or the creators, like Garret Morgan, then how about the Government?
quote: Hair dye is used to color your hair. Hair relaxers are used to make your hair straight. Both hair dye and hair relaxers can hurt your skin, hair, and eyes, especially if you are not careful. ... How often should I relax my hair?
Straightening too often can damage your hair. You might want to ask your hairdresser for advice, because different products on the market have different directions. According to some hairdressers, every six to eight weeks is common, but this depends on the product. It also depends on your hair, such as how fast your hair grows.
It is tiring to hear grown men and women start ranting and raving like emotional children because they simply don't want to accept facts for what they are.
quote: Hair relaxant is one of the types of chemicals (mainly in the form of a lotion), used for straightening hair. It can also be used as a tool of thinning hair if your hair is very thick and lush, hair relaxer for men makes hair more manageable. It relaxes all the natural curls of the hair and the hair become totally straight.
quote: he active ingredient in the PERMANENT HAIR BODIpHIER is alkaline water, which penetrates into the hair without destroying the cuticle, or outer layer. It also softens the bonds inside the hair without breaking them. Softening the bonds of hair causes the natural curl pattern to lengthen as it loosens, making hair more straight.
The images below are from the manufacturer web site.
Before:
After:
Before:
After:
But note that below, the girl already has straight hair and texture that is not like those above. The African Americans above, still need to use relaxers and chemicals to attain the texture in the before images below. So don't get it twisted. Before:
After:
So uh, how is that not clearly by definition a product used to make hair straight.
And that right there proves my point. People are sitting up here outright lying and trying to pretend to defend something based on absurd logic, half truths, lies and twisted facts.....
Please.
Again you made this long ass post that made you look like an emotional female, obviously you have never felt or seen relaxed hair and caucasion hair neither have you felt the two.
Relaxed hair doesn't look like white peoples hair neither do they feel the same, black hair is alot thicker, which is why even after the relaxer black women have to use flat irons because the perm doesn't make their hair straight like they want it.
I will ask you this question again, what white woman triggered those black women to wear that hair style? Could it be that in fact black women have their own distinct hair style? Separate from white women? And please do tell is MR. I know every damn thing, what makes white women perm their hair and get ass implants?
You can deny it all you want. But the fact is that American beauty and fashion is dominated by white Europeans. They set the trends and African Americans mostly are followers. Period. Most black hairstyles are influenced by the entertainers on TV and the products sold in the store. All of whom are brought and paid for by the same white European fashion industry to promote their products, which means white European hairstyles and fashion.
So you can keep this charade up all you want, but it won't change the facts that are observable and obvious. It isn't even a question of individual white women influencing blacks. The point is that America is a white European dominated society and culture and they are the ones who set the beauty and fashion standards that African Americans tend to follow.
Now you can keep denying it all you want but at this point you are simply pushing a lie to even pretend otherwise.
Wrong! Its clear as day that you don't know what the hell you are talking about both blacks and whites dominate American society, with blks mostly influencing whites, and rarely the other way around, and its mostly the same as everywhere else, now unless you can prove some how that this hair style was created by white people, than your long ass empty post really means nothing-
I think most people agree that there is influence back and forth, but to sit up here and lie, to try to give clear black inventions and black hair styles into a produce that white people created is bullshit, because whites have nothing to do with these hair styles, these styles are distinct, and blacks set the trends as they always have. White styles and even white form of dress has always been seen as plain and uncool, so I have no idea where you get your facts from.
LOL! How on earth do blacks dominate American society? What major corporations do they own? What major banks and institutions? What major industries do they control?
Where is one major hair care and cosmetics company in the world that is owned and controlled by blacks. And when I say major I mean a global brand that is found world wide and featured in print and moving picture media as a global brand.
You have simply lost your mind trying to even pretend to argue a point.
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quote:Originally posted by EuroNutSlayer: yea you're not very smart as both people had hair passed there eyeball, what did your mom do with you? Crack or meth? LOL I guess that whole thing about whites having high IQs are bullshit..
Retard. Look at the fringe of their hair, it cannot grow past their eye length. This is because Negroid hair does not grow downwards, it coils because of the follicle shape making the texture wooly.
A Negroid cannot grow hair over their face, even over their eye-lid. Look at the photos posted above. The Negroid hair fringe is at the top of the skull, it can't grow downwards. [/QB]
LOL again you showcase how much of a retarded joke you are, because in both cases those women had hair longer than eyeball length now in another thread you claimed that black women couldn't grow long hair period, now your dumbass is switching it up, which is it you dumb hick?
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quote:Originally posted by EuroNutSlayer: This is really stupid Africans didn't utilize hair chemicals because they didn't have that out, in the past. This is something that most women us now including Africans themselves, so I don't get the issue?
Chemical relaxer could have very well been invented without slavery, who knows.
African woman with a perm.-
The point is moot because hair relaxer exists within a specific social and cultural framework that did not exist in Africa: the need to make tight curly natural African hair look like white peoples long straight hair. Hence, claiming that Africans "would have invented it" without a desire to have a hair texture and hair styles that is not natural to Africans is almost impossible to imagine. What social or cultural conditions would have had to exist for Africans not to love an express themselves through their natural hair texture as they have always been doing? The only social and cultural forces which would cause this is immersion in and oppression by a culture that promotes white culture and society as the dominant culture and lifestyle over and above all others. Hair relaxers and perms exist because of the experience of Africans in America is a perfect example of exactly such social and cultural conditions necessary for such things to be created. Otherwise, hair relaxers and perms would have been created in Africa thousands of years ago, without whites but it wasn't, precisely because the social and cultural conditions did not exist for such things to be created.
Deny it all you want, but African Americans are simply trying to fit into a European oriented society and culture. It isn't African and trying to pretend otherwise is pure nonsense.
First of all everything that you said right now is bullshit second off these are just your opinions, you really don't have a clue rather Africans would have did stuff to straighten their hair or if they wouldn't, Hair perms wouldn't had been made in the past for the same reason that Africans didn't create guns back than and other advance technology there simply wasn't the means.
Women change their hairstyles up all the time and they are always looking for the new style.
There are Africans in Africa with straight hair so rather these Africans would have been influenced by other Africans who knows.
But since you think you know so much what is the reason for white women wanting to have curly hair and who influenced them to do so?
Like I said women all women utilize relaxers because they want a new hair style it has nothing to do with wanting to be white, and more to do with manageability and a new hair style.
The simple point is that the usage of relaxers and perms goes back to a time when black society was trying to fit in to the larger white society and culture.
And the proof of this is documented by the people themselves that created such things and the people that used them. It is also proven by the fact that the styles they chose were the same as those being worn by whites. That didn't just happen for no reason other than blacks wanted to fit in with the larger white society and culture around them, which historically had imposed itself on them and their definitions and standards of beauty as well. The fact that some people on this board would try and deny these simple facts of history are beyond logical and pathetic. I take no pride in trying to distort the past and painting a reality that is fake, just as fake as the hair many black women are wearing on their heads.
I don't have to pretend otherwise in order to make you feel good about reality for what it is.
The fact that you think you are defending black women by distorting history and outright lying is simply a travesty of intelligent conversation.
They wear their hair the way they do because that is what white folks told them is popular because most of the styles they wear are primarily white European hairstyles and textures.
And proof of that is as simple as looking at the products sold by Loreal and all the other white European owned and dominated cosmetic and hair products, which do not make African textured hair styles or promote them if they have them at all. Since black people don't control or own such companies, their history and culture has absolutely no bearing on the styles and trends promoted by them as those styles and trends are based on European tastes and styles. Pure and simple.
Again more bullshit and personal opinions, the use of relaxers were used for manageability thats how it was in the past, that is how it is today, and I will say most of the hair styles that people were wearing weren't white hairstyles they were black, anyone who knows their history would know that black people have been setting the trends, these are all facts, blk people have made alot of stuff popular, you are the one over here being emotional like a female making long ass post about some damn relaxers and acting like you know what youre talking about when you are only making yourself look like an emotional jackass anyone can see this **** plain as day but you.
Please tell me what influenced these blk women to wear this hairstyle?
Did white women influence these black women?
LOL the facts are black women been creating their own distinct hairstyles that don't have a damn thing to do with white women, and its white women aswell as men who copy blacks for the most part, although there has been some cultural influence back and forth, no one is denying that, but black people here have created their own sense of style, and only an emotional idiot would deny that.
Now you are not only denying the history of European culture and society in America, you are denying chemistry:
quote: Dark and Lovely Kids® Beautiful Beginnings No-Mistake Nourishing No-Lye Crème Relaxer provides the desired straightness while nourishing your child's hair.
By definition, hair relaxer makes hair straight for people with natural curly textured hair.
The fact that people are going to such lengths to deny basic facts shows in fact they are arguing from emotion not logic. I argue from facts not emotion.
Now if you don't accept the statements of the manufacturers themselves or the creators, like Garret Morgan, then how about the Government?
quote: Hair dye is used to color your hair. Hair relaxers are used to make your hair straight. Both hair dye and hair relaxers can hurt your skin, hair, and eyes, especially if you are not careful. ... How often should I relax my hair?
Straightening too often can damage your hair. You might want to ask your hairdresser for advice, because different products on the market have different directions. According to some hairdressers, every six to eight weeks is common, but this depends on the product. It also depends on your hair, such as how fast your hair grows.
It is tiring to hear grown men and women start ranting and raving like emotional children because they simply don't want to accept facts for what they are.
quote: Hair relaxant is one of the types of chemicals (mainly in the form of a lotion), used for straightening hair. It can also be used as a tool of thinning hair if your hair is very thick and lush, hair relaxer for men makes hair more manageable. It relaxes all the natural curls of the hair and the hair become totally straight.
quote: he active ingredient in the PERMANENT HAIR BODIpHIER is alkaline water, which penetrates into the hair without destroying the cuticle, or outer layer. It also softens the bonds inside the hair without breaking them. Softening the bonds of hair causes the natural curl pattern to lengthen as it loosens, making hair more straight.
The images below are from the manufacturer web site.
Before:
After:
Before:
After:
But note that below, the girl already has straight hair and texture that is not like those above. The African Americans above, still need to use relaxers and chemicals to attain the texture in the before images below. So don't get it twisted. Before:
After:
So uh, how is that not clearly by definition a product used to make hair straight.
And that right there proves my point. People are sitting up here outright lying and trying to pretend to defend something based on absurd logic, half truths, lies and twisted facts.....
Please.
Again you made this long ass post that made you look like an emotional female, obviously you have never felt or seen relaxed hair and caucasion hair neither have you felt the two.
Relaxed hair doesn't look like white peoples hair neither do they feel the same, black hair is alot thicker, which is why even after the relaxer black women have to use flat irons because the perm doesn't make their hair straight like they want it.
I will ask you this question again, what white woman triggered those black women to wear that hair style? Could it be that in fact black women have their own distinct hair style? Separate from white women? And please do tell is MR. I know every damn thing, what makes white women perm their hair and get ass implants?
You can deny it all you want. But the fact is that American beauty and fashion is dominated by white Europeans. They set the trends and African Americans mostly are followers. Period. Most black hairstyles are influenced by the entertainers on TV and the products sold in the store. All of whom are brought and paid for by the same white European fashion industry to promote their products, which means white European hairstyles and fashion.
So you can keep this charade up all you want, but it won't change the facts that are observable and obvious. It isn't even a question of individual white women influencing blacks. The point is that America is a white European dominated society and culture and they are the ones who set the beauty and fashion standards that African Americans tend to follow.
Now you can keep denying it all you want but at this point you are simply pushing a lie to even pretend otherwise.
Wrong! Its clear as day that you don't know what the hell you are talking about both blacks and whites dominate American society, with blks mostly influencing whites, and rarely the other way around, and its mostly the same as everywhere else, now unless you can prove some how that this hair style was created by white people, than your long ass empty post really means nothing-
I think most people agree that there is influence back and forth, but to sit up here and lie, to try to give clear black inventions and black hair styles into a produce that white people created is bullshit, because whites have nothing to do with these hair styles, these styles are distinct, and blacks set the trends as they always have. White styles and even white form of dress has always been seen as plain and uncool, so I have no idea where you get your facts from.
LOL! How on earth do blacks dominate American society? What major corporations do they own? What major banks and institutions? What major industries do they control?
Where is one major hair care and cosmetics company in the world that is owned and controlled by blacks. And when I say major I mean a global brand that is found world wide and featured in print and moving picture media as a global brand.
You have simply lost your mind trying to even pretend to argue a point.
LOL and you have no point, you have proven nothing here, and everybody else is against you except the white racist, blacks dominate the entertainment business aswell as sports, blacks set the trend, alot of the terms cool hip and jive came from blacks, our society is very much influenced by black culture only a dumbck would deny that. White styles and white way of life have always been seen as uncool to most blacks, and in fact Southern Europeans claim that white Americans don't know how to dress and that they-re styles are drab and boring.
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--- Negroids cannot grow hair beyond their eye-lid. Look at the hair fringe. Its at the top of the skull. Negroid hair does not grow downwards.
Now contrast to Caucasoid hair -
Caucasoid hair grows naturally downwards and can cover the face.
LOL what a dumbfuck the ladies hair that you posted above is almost to her shoulders, wow are you mental? If the hair grows long to the middle of a persons back it doesn't matter the hair texture, it will start dropping down.
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quote:Originally posted by EuroNutSlayer: Somalis are far from being white and have nothing to do with whites, its just a another brain dead scheme from retarded ass white poeple like you that are apparently ashamed of your history, which is why you have to attach yourself to others people shistory, Somalis are pure Africans,
Somalis are 60% Caucasoid. This is FACT. Its been repeatedly confirmed by geneticists, proving Somalis cluster closer to EURASIANS (Caucasoids) tha Black Sub-Saharan Africans (Negroids). The scientific studies are here -
That Somalis are 60% Caucasoid is clearly visible in their phenotype -
No one claims they are pure white, they are however 60% Caucasoid which is clearly visible.
quote:I don't know what a negroid is neither is nappy hair a sign of being some kind of true negroid.
A Negroid is a Black Sub-Saharan African.
Since all afronuts are self-hating blacks they can never accept what their race looks like: wide nosed, wooly haired etc. All those features your own race hates.
And you are a fucking idiot and I'm going to make you look like the idiot you are-
African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. Attempts to deny this are rooted in racism and error. African people, particularly SUB-SAHARAN Africans, vary the most in how they look, more so than any other population in the world.
"Estimates of genetic diversity in major geographic regions are frequently made by pooling all individuals into regional aggregates. This method can potentially bias results if there are differences in population substructure within regions, since increased variation among local populations could inflate regional diversity. A preferred method of estimating regional diversity is to compute the mean diversity within local populations. Both methods are applied to a global sample of craniometric data consisting of 57 measurements taken on 1734 crania from 18 local populations in six geographic regions: sub-Saharan Africa, Europe, East Asia, Australasia, Polynesia, and the Americas. Each region is represented by three local populations.
Both methods for estimating regional diversity show sub-Saharan Africa to have the highest levels of phenotypic variation, consistent with many genetic studies." (Relethford, John "Global Analysis of Regional Differences in Craniometric Diversity and Population Substructure". Human Biology - Volume 73, Number 5, October 2001, pp. 629-636)
"The living peoples of the African continent are diverse in facial characteristics, stature, skin color, hair form, genetics, and other characteristics. No one set of characteristics is more African than another. Variability is also found in "sub-Saharan" Africa, to which the word "Africa" is sometimes erroneously restricted. There is a problem with definitions. Sometimes Africa is defined using cultural factors, like language, that exclude developments that clearly arose in Africa. For example, sometimes even the Horn of Africa (Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea) is excluded because of geography and language and the fact that some of its peoples have narrow noses and faces.
However, the Horn is at the same latitude as Nigeria, and its languages are African. The latitude of 15 degree passes through Timbuktu, surely in "sub-Saharan Africa," as well as Khartoum in Sudan; both are north of the Horn. Another false idea is that supra-Saharan and Saharan Africa were peopled after the emergence of "Europeans" or Near Easterners by populations coming from outside Africa. Hence, the ancient Egyptians in some writings have been de-Africanized. These ideas, which limit the definition of Africa and Africans, are rooted in racism and earlier, erroneous "scientific" approaches." (S. Keita, "The Diversity of Indigenous Africans," in Egypt in Africa, Theodore Clenko, Editor (1996), pp. 104-105. [10])
Somalis link much more heavily with African populations such as those in Kenya and Ethiopia than Middle Eastern or European ones according to DNA evidence. Eurasian genes only accounted for about 15% of the mix among Somalis, typically associated with recent Arab influence. On such key common DNA markers as E3b1, Europeans only weighed in at 5%, and Middle Easterners at approximately 6%. The overwhelming link of Somalis- over 85% of the total is with Africans. Kenya and Ethiopia are located in "sub-Saharan" Africa.
"The high frequency (77.6%) of haplogroup E3b1 was characteristic of male Somalis. The frequency of E3b1 was significantly lower in Ethiopian Oromos (35.9%), Ethiopian Amharas (22.9%), Egyptians (20.0%), Sudanese (17.5%), Kenyans (15.1%),10 Iraqis (6.3%), Northern Africans (6.1%), Southern Europeans (0.5–5.1%) and sub-Saharan populations." (Sanchez et al.,(2005) High frequencies of Y chromosome lineages characterized by E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12 in Somali males, Eu J of Hum Genet (2005) 13, 856–866)
quote:Originally posted by EuroNutSlayer: LOL what a dumbfuck the ladies hair that you posted above is almost to her shoulders, wow are you mental? If the hair grows long to the middle of a persons back it doesn't matter the hair texture, it will start dropping down. [/QB]
I'm not repeating again retard, i now presume you are just a troll. I have never met anyone so dumb.
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REPOST. Euronut fails to accept the following -
--- Negroids cannot grow hair beyond their eye-lid. Look at the hair fringe. Its at the top of the skull. Negroid hair does not grow downwards.
Now contrast to Caucasoid hair -
Caucasoid hair grows naturally downwards and can cover the face.
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Negroid hair cannot grow downwards over the face.
Euronut is a fucking retard who looks at picture and lies about them, which is why i am no longer wasting my time with her/his trolling.
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quote:Originally posted by EuroNutSlayer: LOL what a dumbfuck the ladies hair that you posted above is almost to her shoulders, wow are you mental? If the hair grows long to the middle of a persons back it doesn't matter the hair texture, it will start dropping down.
I'm not repeating again retard, i now presume you are just a troll. I have never met anyone so dumb. [/QB]
LOL the only troll is the idiot who said afro texture hair can't grow past their eye ball but than turn around and post a picture of a woman with afro texture hair almost to her shoulders lol!
Please go head and post some more clown.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: REPOST. Euronut fails to accept the following -
--- Negroids cannot grow hair beyond their eye-lid. Look at the hair fringe. Its at the top of the skull. Negroid hair does not grow downwards.
Now contrast to Caucasoid hair -
Caucasoid hair grows naturally downwards and can cover the face.
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Negroid hair cannot grow downwards over the face.
Euronut is a fucking retard who looks at picture and lies about them, which is why i am no longer wasting my time with her/his trolling.
LOL and repost for the mentally challenged idiot you posted this picture of a black woman that has hair almost to her shoulders than turns around and says that black women can't grow hair past their eyeballs lol! What a dumbass!
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quote:Originally posted by EuroNutSlayer: This is really stupid Africans didn't utilize hair chemicals because they didn't have that out, in the past. This is something that most women us now including Africans themselves, so I don't get the issue?
Chemical relaxer could have very well been invented without slavery, who knows.
African woman with a perm.-
The point is moot because hair relaxer exists within a specific social and cultural framework that did not exist in Africa: the need to make tight curly natural African hair look like white peoples long straight hair. Hence, claiming that Africans "would have invented it" without a desire to have a hair texture and hair styles that is not natural to Africans is almost impossible to imagine. What social or cultural conditions would have had to exist for Africans not to love an express themselves through their natural hair texture as they have always been doing? The only social and cultural forces which would cause this is immersion in and oppression by a culture that promotes white culture and society as the dominant culture and lifestyle over and above all others. Hair relaxers and perms exist because of the experience of Africans in America is a perfect example of exactly such social and cultural conditions necessary for such things to be created. Otherwise, hair relaxers and perms would have been created in Africa thousands of years ago, without whites but it wasn't, precisely because the social and cultural conditions did not exist for such things to be created.
Deny it all you want, but African Americans are simply trying to fit into a European oriented society and culture. It isn't African and trying to pretend otherwise is pure nonsense.
First of all everything that you said right now is bullshit second off these are just your opinions, you really don't have a clue rather Africans would have did stuff to straighten their hair or if they wouldn't, Hair perms wouldn't had been made in the past for the same reason that Africans didn't create guns back than and other advance technology there simply wasn't the means.
Women change their hairstyles up all the time and they are always looking for the new style.
There are Africans in Africa with straight hair so rather these Africans would have been influenced by other Africans who knows.
But since you think you know so much what is the reason for white women wanting to have curly hair and who influenced them to do so?
Like I said women all women utilize relaxers because they want a new hair style it has nothing to do with wanting to be white, and more to do with manageability and a new hair style.
The simple point is that the usage of relaxers and perms goes back to a time when black society was trying to fit in to the larger white society and culture.
And the proof of this is documented by the people themselves that created such things and the people that used them. It is also proven by the fact that the styles they chose were the same as those being worn by whites. That didn't just happen for no reason other than blacks wanted to fit in with the larger white society and culture around them, which historically had imposed itself on them and their definitions and standards of beauty as well. The fact that some people on this board would try and deny these simple facts of history are beyond logical and pathetic. I take no pride in trying to distort the past and painting a reality that is fake, just as fake as the hair many black women are wearing on their heads.
I don't have to pretend otherwise in order to make you feel good about reality for what it is.
The fact that you think you are defending black women by distorting history and outright lying is simply a travesty of intelligent conversation.
They wear their hair the way they do because that is what white folks told them is popular because most of the styles they wear are primarily white European hairstyles and textures.
And proof of that is as simple as looking at the products sold by Loreal and all the other white European owned and dominated cosmetic and hair products, which do not make African textured hair styles or promote them if they have them at all. Since black people don't control or own such companies, their history and culture has absolutely no bearing on the styles and trends promoted by them as those styles and trends are based on European tastes and styles. Pure and simple.
Again more bullshit and personal opinions, the use of relaxers were used for manageability thats how it was in the past, that is how it is today, and I will say most of the hair styles that people were wearing weren't white hairstyles they were black, anyone who knows their history would know that black people have been setting the trends, these are all facts, blk people have made alot of stuff popular, you are the one over here being emotional like a female making long ass post about some damn relaxers and acting like you know what youre talking about when you are only making yourself look like an emotional jackass anyone can see this **** plain as day but you.
Please tell me what influenced these blk women to wear this hairstyle?
Did white women influence these black women?
LOL the facts are black women been creating their own distinct hairstyles that don't have a damn thing to do with white women, and its white women aswell as men who copy blacks for the most part, although there has been some cultural influence back and forth, no one is denying that, but black people here have created their own sense of style, and only an emotional idiot would deny that.
Now you are not only denying the history of European culture and society in America, you are denying chemistry:
quote: Dark and Lovely Kids® Beautiful Beginnings No-Mistake Nourishing No-Lye Crème Relaxer provides the desired straightness while nourishing your child's hair.
By definition, hair relaxer makes hair straight for people with natural curly textured hair.
The fact that people are going to such lengths to deny basic facts shows in fact they are arguing from emotion not logic. I argue from facts not emotion.
Now if you don't accept the statements of the manufacturers themselves or the creators, like Garret Morgan, then how about the Government?
quote: Hair dye is used to color your hair. Hair relaxers are used to make your hair straight. Both hair dye and hair relaxers can hurt your skin, hair, and eyes, especially if you are not careful. ... How often should I relax my hair?
Straightening too often can damage your hair. You might want to ask your hairdresser for advice, because different products on the market have different directions. According to some hairdressers, every six to eight weeks is common, but this depends on the product. It also depends on your hair, such as how fast your hair grows.
It is tiring to hear grown men and women start ranting and raving like emotional children because they simply don't want to accept facts for what they are.
quote: Hair relaxant is one of the types of chemicals (mainly in the form of a lotion), used for straightening hair. It can also be used as a tool of thinning hair if your hair is very thick and lush, hair relaxer for men makes hair more manageable. It relaxes all the natural curls of the hair and the hair become totally straight.
quote: he active ingredient in the PERMANENT HAIR BODIpHIER is alkaline water, which penetrates into the hair without destroying the cuticle, or outer layer. It also softens the bonds inside the hair without breaking them. Softening the bonds of hair causes the natural curl pattern to lengthen as it loosens, making hair more straight.
The images below are from the manufacturer web site.
Before:
After:
Before:
After:
But note that below, the girl already has straight hair and texture that is not like those above. The African Americans above, still need to use relaxers and chemicals to attain the texture in the before images below. So don't get it twisted. Before:
After:
So uh, how is that not clearly by definition a product used to make hair straight.
And that right there proves my point. People are sitting up here outright lying and trying to pretend to defend something based on absurd logic, half truths, lies and twisted facts.....
Please.
Again you made this long ass post that made you look like an emotional female, obviously you have never felt or seen relaxed hair and caucasion hair neither have you felt the two.
Relaxed hair doesn't look like white peoples hair neither do they feel the same, black hair is alot thicker, which is why even after the relaxer black women have to use flat irons because the perm doesn't make their hair straight like they want it.
I will ask you this question again, what white woman triggered those black women to wear that hair style? Could it be that in fact black women have their own distinct hair style? Separate from white women? And please do tell is MR. I know every damn thing, what makes white women perm their hair and get ass implants?
You can deny it all you want. But the fact is that American beauty and fashion is dominated by white Europeans. They set the trends and African Americans mostly are followers. Period. Most black hairstyles are influenced by the entertainers on TV and the products sold in the store. All of whom are brought and paid for by the same white European fashion industry to promote their products, which means white European hairstyles and fashion.
So you can keep this charade up all you want, but it won't change the facts that are observable and obvious. It isn't even a question of individual white women influencing blacks. The point is that America is a white European dominated society and culture and they are the ones who set the beauty and fashion standards that African Americans tend to follow.
Now you can keep denying it all you want but at this point you are simply pushing a lie to even pretend otherwise.
Wrong! Its clear as day that you don't know what the hell you are talking about both blacks and whites dominate American society, with blks mostly influencing whites, and rarely the other way around, and its mostly the same as everywhere else, now unless you can prove some how that this hair style was created by white people, than your long ass empty post really means nothing-
I think most people agree that there is influence back and forth, but to sit up here and lie, to try to give clear black inventions and black hair styles into a produce that white people created is bullshit, because whites have nothing to do with these hair styles, these styles are distinct, and blacks set the trends as they always have. White styles and even white form of dress has always been seen as plain and uncool, so I have no idea where you get your facts from.
LOL! How on earth do blacks dominate American society? What major corporations do they own? What major banks and institutions? What major industries do they control?
Where is one major hair care and cosmetics company in the world that is owned and controlled by blacks. And when I say major I mean a global brand that is found world wide and featured in print and moving picture media as a global brand.
You have simply lost your mind trying to even pretend to argue a point.
LOL and you have no point, you have proven nothing here, and everybody else is against you except the white racist, blacks dominate the entertainment business aswell as sports, blacks set the trend, alot of the terms cool hip and jive came from blacks, our society is very much influenced by black culture only a dumbck would deny that. White styles and white way of life have always been seen as uncool to most blacks, and in fact Southern Europeans claim that white Americans don't know how to dress and that they-re styles are drab and boring.
The point was that you are in denial and that the reason African Americans perm their hair and use relaxer is because of the fact that white Europeans dominate the hair care and beauty industry.
You haven't disproven it, you simply have been trying to deny it.
Of course I need no racists to defend me or be on my side because the facts are obvious for anyone to see.
You simply want to use racism as an excuse to spout lies, such as:
"relaxer is not to straighten hair"
"whites and blacks equally dominate society"
"blacks have always been the leaders and set the trends for American hair style and influenced whites"
Simply put you have no ability to make a serious argument other than spouting lies.
quote:Originally posted by EuroNutSlayer: This is really stupid Africans didn't utilize hair chemicals because they didn't have that out, in the past. This is something that most women us now including Africans themselves, so I don't get the issue?
Chemical relaxer could have very well been invented without slavery, who knows.
African woman with a perm.-
The point is moot because hair relaxer exists within a specific social and cultural framework that did not exist in Africa: the need to make tight curly natural African hair look like white peoples long straight hair. Hence, claiming that Africans "would have invented it" without a desire to have a hair texture and hair styles that is not natural to Africans is almost impossible to imagine. What social or cultural conditions would have had to exist for Africans not to love an express themselves through their natural hair texture as they have always been doing? The only social and cultural forces which would cause this is immersion in and oppression by a culture that promotes white culture and society as the dominant culture and lifestyle over and above all others. Hair relaxers and perms exist because of the experience of Africans in America is a perfect example of exactly such social and cultural conditions necessary for such things to be created. Otherwise, hair relaxers and perms would have been created in Africa thousands of years ago, without whites but it wasn't, precisely because the social and cultural conditions did not exist for such things to be created.
Deny it all you want, but African Americans are simply trying to fit into a European oriented society and culture. It isn't African and trying to pretend otherwise is pure nonsense.
First of all everything that you said right now is bullshit second off these are just your opinions, you really don't have a clue rather Africans would have did stuff to straighten their hair or if they wouldn't, Hair perms wouldn't had been made in the past for the same reason that Africans didn't create guns back than and other advance technology there simply wasn't the means.
Women change their hairstyles up all the time and they are always looking for the new style.
There are Africans in Africa with straight hair so rather these Africans would have been influenced by other Africans who knows.
But since you think you know so much what is the reason for white women wanting to have curly hair and who influenced them to do so?
Like I said women all women utilize relaxers because they want a new hair style it has nothing to do with wanting to be white, and more to do with manageability and a new hair style.
The simple point is that the usage of relaxers and perms goes back to a time when black society was trying to fit in to the larger white society and culture.
And the proof of this is documented by the people themselves that created such things and the people that used them. It is also proven by the fact that the styles they chose were the same as those being worn by whites. That didn't just happen for no reason other than blacks wanted to fit in with the larger white society and culture around them, which historically had imposed itself on them and their definitions and standards of beauty as well. The fact that some people on this board would try and deny these simple facts of history are beyond logical and pathetic. I take no pride in trying to distort the past and painting a reality that is fake, just as fake as the hair many black women are wearing on their heads.
I don't have to pretend otherwise in order to make you feel good about reality for what it is.
The fact that you think you are defending black women by distorting history and outright lying is simply a travesty of intelligent conversation.
They wear their hair the way they do because that is what white folks told them is popular because most of the styles they wear are primarily white European hairstyles and textures.
And proof of that is as simple as looking at the products sold by Loreal and all the other white European owned and dominated cosmetic and hair products, which do not make African textured hair styles or promote them if they have them at all. Since black people don't control or own such companies, their history and culture has absolutely no bearing on the styles and trends promoted by them as those styles and trends are based on European tastes and styles. Pure and simple.
Again more bullshit and personal opinions, the use of relaxers were used for manageability thats how it was in the past, that is how it is today, and I will say most of the hair styles that people were wearing weren't white hairstyles they were black, anyone who knows their history would know that black people have been setting the trends, these are all facts, blk people have made alot of stuff popular, you are the one over here being emotional like a female making long ass post about some damn relaxers and acting like you know what youre talking about when you are only making yourself look like an emotional jackass anyone can see this **** plain as day but you.
Please tell me what influenced these blk women to wear this hairstyle?
Did white women influence these black women?
LOL the facts are black women been creating their own distinct hairstyles that don't have a damn thing to do with white women, and its white women aswell as men who copy blacks for the most part, although there has been some cultural influence back and forth, no one is denying that, but black people here have created their own sense of style, and only an emotional idiot would deny that.
Now you are not only denying the history of European culture and society in America, you are denying chemistry:
quote: Dark and Lovely Kids® Beautiful Beginnings No-Mistake Nourishing No-Lye Crème Relaxer provides the desired straightness while nourishing your child's hair.
By definition, hair relaxer makes hair straight for people with natural curly textured hair.
The fact that people are going to such lengths to deny basic facts shows in fact they are arguing from emotion not logic. I argue from facts not emotion.
Now if you don't accept the statements of the manufacturers themselves or the creators, like Garret Morgan, then how about the Government?
quote: Hair dye is used to color your hair. Hair relaxers are used to make your hair straight. Both hair dye and hair relaxers can hurt your skin, hair, and eyes, especially if you are not careful. ... How often should I relax my hair?
Straightening too often can damage your hair. You might want to ask your hairdresser for advice, because different products on the market have different directions. According to some hairdressers, every six to eight weeks is common, but this depends on the product. It also depends on your hair, such as how fast your hair grows.
It is tiring to hear grown men and women start ranting and raving like emotional children because they simply don't want to accept facts for what they are.
quote: Hair relaxant is one of the types of chemicals (mainly in the form of a lotion), used for straightening hair. It can also be used as a tool of thinning hair if your hair is very thick and lush, hair relaxer for men makes hair more manageable. It relaxes all the natural curls of the hair and the hair become totally straight.
quote: he active ingredient in the PERMANENT HAIR BODIpHIER is alkaline water, which penetrates into the hair without destroying the cuticle, or outer layer. It also softens the bonds inside the hair without breaking them. Softening the bonds of hair causes the natural curl pattern to lengthen as it loosens, making hair more straight.
The images below are from the manufacturer web site.
Before:
After:
Before:
After:
But note that below, the girl already has straight hair and texture that is not like those above. The African Americans above, still need to use relaxers and chemicals to attain the texture in the before images below. So don't get it twisted. Before:
After:
So uh, how is that not clearly by definition a product used to make hair straight.
And that right there proves my point. People are sitting up here outright lying and trying to pretend to defend something based on absurd logic, half truths, lies and twisted facts.....
Please.
Again you made this long ass post that made you look like an emotional female, obviously you have never felt or seen relaxed hair and caucasion hair neither have you felt the two.
Relaxed hair doesn't look like white peoples hair neither do they feel the same, black hair is alot thicker, which is why even after the relaxer black women have to use flat irons because the perm doesn't make their hair straight like they want it.
I will ask you this question again, what white woman triggered those black women to wear that hair style? Could it be that in fact black women have their own distinct hair style? Separate from white women? And please do tell is MR. I know every damn thing, what makes white women perm their hair and get ass implants?
You can deny it all you want. But the fact is that American beauty and fashion is dominated by white Europeans. They set the trends and African Americans mostly are followers. Period. Most black hairstyles are influenced by the entertainers on TV and the products sold in the store. All of whom are brought and paid for by the same white European fashion industry to promote their products, which means white European hairstyles and fashion.
So you can keep this charade up all you want, but it won't change the facts that are observable and obvious. It isn't even a question of individual white women influencing blacks. The point is that America is a white European dominated society and culture and they are the ones who set the beauty and fashion standards that African Americans tend to follow.
Now you can keep denying it all you want but at this point you are simply pushing a lie to even pretend otherwise.
Wrong! Its clear as day that you don't know what the hell you are talking about both blacks and whites dominate American society, with blks mostly influencing whites, and rarely the other way around, and its mostly the same as everywhere else, now unless you can prove some how that this hair style was created by white people, than your long ass empty post really means nothing-
I think most people agree that there is influence back and forth, but to sit up here and lie, to try to give clear black inventions and black hair styles into a produce that white people created is bullshit, because whites have nothing to do with these hair styles, these styles are distinct, and blacks set the trends as they always have. White styles and even white form of dress has always been seen as plain and uncool, so I have no idea where you get your facts from.
LOL! How on earth do blacks dominate American society? What major corporations do they own? What major banks and institutions? What major industries do they control?
Where is one major hair care and cosmetics company in the world that is owned and controlled by blacks. And when I say major I mean a global brand that is found world wide and featured in print and moving picture media as a global brand.
You have simply lost your mind trying to even pretend to argue a point.
LOL and you have no point, you have proven nothing here, and everybody else is against you except the white racist, blacks dominate the entertainment business aswell as sports, blacks set the trend, alot of the terms cool hip and jive came from blacks, our society is very much influenced by black culture only a dumbck would deny that. White styles and white way of life have always been seen as uncool to most blacks, and in fact Southern Europeans claim that white Americans don't know how to dress and that they-re styles are drab and boring.
The point was that you are in denial and that the reason African Americans perm their hair and use relaxer is because of the fact that white Europeans dominate the hair care and beauty industry.
You haven't disproven it, you simply have been trying to deny it.
Of course I need no racists to defend me or be on my side because the facts are obvious for anyone to see.
You simply want to use racism as an excuse to spout lies, such as:
"relaxer is not to straighten hair"
"whites and blacks equally dominate society"
"blacks have always been the leaders and set the trends for American hair style and influenced whites"
Simply put you have no ability to make a serious argument other than spouting lies.
LOL!
LOL and where is your argument? You have proven nothing here, you only spouted off your opinion and spammed the thread with photos, which you have yet to prove that a white European created that hair style, and do you have a comprehension problem? Where did I say that the relaxer wasn't used to straighten hair? Clearly I said there is a difference between relaxed hair and white peoples hair, they also don't look alike at all.
Wrong you're just another idiot that want to give the use of black hair styles and styles period away to white Europeans when those styles had nothing to do with white Europeans, whatsoever, neither did a white european invent the perm.
There is nothing white or european about the many hairstyles that black women utilize today, nothing you say is fact its purely your opinion, neither can you back up anything you say, and of course you have to piggy back off the white racist because you don't believe in blacks having something distinct for themselves.
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@ Euronutslayer .. The woman in the zebra print dress has a wig or weave ..Its not a perm because it's horizontal & synthetic.
I think the carnival women have synthetic hair pieces as it looks too advanced & intricate. you dont get that colourful glow if the hair is straightened ,dyed & coloured.
@ cassiterides .. we can grow our hair waist long but we have to dread it.... Bottom row ziggy & damian Marley.
No one has the monopoly on a hairstyle but if you adopt a style you may also adopt the attributes.
@ Euronutslayer .. The woman in the zebra print dress has a wig or weave ..Its not a perm because it's horizontal & synthetic.
I think the carnival women have synthetic hair pieces as it looks too advanced & intricate. you dont get that colourful glow if the hair is straightened ,dyed & coloured.
It's a popular dancehall look... we call them plastic head gyal.
@ cassiterides .. we can grow our hair waist long but we have to dread it.... Bottom row ziggy & damian Marley.
No one has the monopoly on a hairstyle but if you adopt a style you may also adopt the attributes.
.Everytime i view the comments i think of b movies with subliminals & metaphors.
Rather this is true are not it doesn't look like that, it looks like a perm, moving on ghetto women in that picture didn't get their styles from any dance hall, they live in the ghetto and they don't come in contact with the dance hall people. Neither are the people who invented dance hall white european, so I don't get your point.
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[/UOTE]LOL and where is your argument? You have proven nothing here, you only spouted off your opinion and spammed the thread with photos, which you have yet to prove that a white European created that hair style, and do you have a comprehension problem? Where did I say that the relaxer wasn't used to straighten hair? Clearly I said there is a difference between relaxed hair and white peoples hair, they also don't look alike at all.
Wrong you're just another idiot that want to give the use of black hair styles and styles period away to white Europeans when those styles had nothing to do with white Europeans, whatsoever, neither did a white european invent the perm.
There is nothing white or european about the many hairstyles that black women utilize today, nothing you say is fact its purely your opinion, neither can you back up anything you say, and of course you have to piggy back off the white racist because you don't believe in blacks having something distinct for themselves. [/QUOTE] And there you go again swearing you are defending black society by telling lies.
LOL!
quote:Again more bullshit and personal opinions, the use of relaxers were used for manageability thats how it was in the past,
Show me where ancient Africans ever used chemical relaxers to straighten their hair.....
There is indeed something white or European about African American hairstyles when their hair matches those created by Europeans and promoted by white European fashion, entertainment and cosmetic companies.
How on earth do you try and pretend that this somehow came about other than by direct overt influence?
That is what I mean by you are simply lying.
Then you make up these bogus strawmen to dance around the fact that you are simply promoting pure nonsense by denying the historical reality of European cultural and social domination in America.
Give me a break.
These hairstyles are identical and originate in the same place: White European culture.
Again, all of these images are taken directly from Loreal's facebook page. Again, Loreal does not make products to promote African natural hairstyles or textures. They promote white European hairstyles and textures and hence most of the African American women on their site and who promote their products in fashion and entertainment are promoting and wearing white European hair styles and textures. Because straight hair is not natural to most African Americans. So don't give me that crap that African Americans straighten their hair simply because they are creative and not because of any influence of white European culture or a desire to adopt white European hairstyles, because they do it every day.
So like I said you are lying out of your teeth when the facts are staring you in the face.
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@ cassiterides.I thought you was a blackologist?
Tell me what's artificial about dreadlocks? Ive always had dreads in some form because its natural & versatile .
My hair can be vertical or asymmetric & ive never used any substances..Just regular washing with a mild shampoo..
The hair grows vertical then it collapses under its own weight. we separate the roots to form the look before it collapses.
Only afro hair can grow vertical.My hair also turns aboriginal blonde if overexposed in the sun.
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quote:Originally posted by element: @ cassiterides.I thought you was a blackologist?
Tell me what's artificial about dreadlocks? Ive always had dreads in some form because its natural & versatile .
My hair can be vertical or asymmetric & ive never used any substances..Just regular washing with a mild shampoo..
The hair grows vertical then it collapses under its own weight. we separate the roots to form the look before it collapses.
Only afro hair can grow vertical.My hair also turns aboriginal blonde if overexposed in the sun.
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quote:Originally posted by element: [QB] @ cassiterides.I thought you was a blackologist?
Tell me what's artificial about dreadlocks? Ive always had dreads in some form because its natural & versatile .
Dreadlocks definition -
'A hairstyle in which the hair is washed, but not combed, and twisted while wet into tight braids or ringlets hanging down on all sides'
- To point out the obvious this is not natural but artificial. The hair had to be twisted and braided, which is why dreadlocks don't look natural and look fake.
Negroids cannot grow natural long hair.
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quote:Originally posted by element: [QB] @ cassiterides.I thought you was a blackologist?
Tell me what's artificial about dreadlocks? Ive always had dreads in some form because its natural & versatile .
Dreadlocks definition -
'A hairstyle in which the hair is washed, but not combed, and twisted while wet into tight braids or ringlets hanging down on all sides'
- To point out the obvious this is not natural but artificial. The hair had to be twisted and braided, which is why dreadlocks don't look natural and look fake.
Negroids cannot grow natural long hair.
Error by the retarded redneck again.
Dreads can and do grow naturally. Braiding has nothing to do with it.
All this googling and still no results.
lol at dreads look unnatural. Now the xenophobic retarded redneck claims to be the expert on this too. lololololololol.
Thats why you have an obligatory black history month...... we can work it out....
Braids are not permanent, braids would damage the hair if left in too long.
Dreads are super natural. The word dread comes from the revolutionary culture , concepts & psychological fear the awakened black man has against the oppressor.
If you ever engage with blacks in the real world.They will reveal that White woman love black men with dreads.
Isnt that ironic?
This is Heidi Klums husband seal around 1991
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quote:Originally posted by element: [QB] @ cassiterides.I thought you was a blackologist?
Tell me what's artificial about dreadlocks? Ive always had dreads in some form because its natural & versatile .
Dreadlocks definition -
'A hairstyle in which the hair is washed, but not combed, and twisted while wet into tight braids or ringlets hanging down on all sides'
- To point out the obvious this is not natural but artificial. The hair had to be twisted and braided, which is why dreadlocks don't look natural and look fake.
Negroids cannot grow natural long hair.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: [/UOTE]LOL and where is your argument? You have proven nothing here, you only spouted off your opinion and spammed the thread with photos, which you have yet to prove that a white European created that hair style, and do you have a comprehension problem? Where did I say that the relaxer wasn't used to straighten hair? Clearly I said there is a difference between relaxed hair and white peoples hair, they also don't look alike at all.
Wrong you're just another idiot that want to give the use of black hair styles and styles period away to white Europeans when those styles had nothing to do with white Europeans, whatsoever, neither did a white european invent the perm.
There is nothing white or european about the many hairstyles that black women utilize today, nothing you say is fact its purely your opinion, neither can you back up anything you say, and of course you have to piggy back off the white racist because you don't believe in blacks having something distinct for themselves.
And there you go again swearing you are defending black society by telling lies.
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LOL LMBAO and what do I have to tell a lie about? Again please tell me the white European that created that hair style that the black women were wearing? Its a fact that those blk women created their own styles, not only with their regular hair but with braids. LOL!
quote:Again more bullshit and personal opinions, the use of relaxers were used for manageability thats how it was in the past,
Show me where ancient Africans ever used chemical relaxers to straighten their hair.....
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Again are you brain dead? In my earlier post I said the chemical relaxer hadn't been invented yet so they couldn't use of course, but obviously they made use of dying their hair blond and red though, but its a fact that the chemical relaxer was used for manageblity.
There is indeed something white or European about African American hairstyles when their hair matches those created by Europeans and promoted by white European fashion, entertainment and cosmetic companies.
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LOL and you are going to have to prove that, them having the same hair styles once in a gray moon doesn't mean that they got it from whites, so you are going to have to prove that whites invented those hairstyles..
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How on earth do you try and pretend that this somehow came about other than by direct overt influence?
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And why on earth do you pretend like you are bringing some great knowledge when youre not, your whole post is based off your opinions, neither can you back it up with any facts what so ever.
That is what I mean by you are simply lying.
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Then you make up these bogus strawmen to dance around the fact that you are simply promoting pure nonsense by denying the historical reality of European cultural and social domination in America.
LOL and your ass is denying black contribution in America society all to push some nonsensical agenda about hair relaxers, what are you a female? Why are you tied up into hair relaxers etc..
Give me a break. These hairstyles are identical and originate in the same place: White European culture. LOL umm since when did wearing your hair down become a white thing? LOL
LOL umm since when did wearing your hair down become a white thing? LOL
LOL you post a picture of a white female wearing her hair down and a black female wearing a Indian weave, and you think this some how proves your point?
Again, all of these images are taken directly from Loreal's facebook page. Again, Loreal does not make products to promote African natural hairstyles or textures. They promote white European hairstyles and textures and hence most of the African American women on their site and who promote their products in fashion and entertainment are promoting and wearing white European hair styles and textures. Because straight hair is not natural to most African Americans. So don't give me that crap that African Americans straighten their hair simply because they are creative and not because of any influence of white European culture or a desire to adopt white European hairstyles, because they do it every day.
LOL and you are a fcking idiot, if you believe this some how means that black women hairstyles are influenced by whites, and not their own I suggest you go get a black hairstyle magazine and a white magazine and you will see a big difference, not only that who the fck is natural now a days? No one hardly everyone uses something to change up their hair and make it different so you again made a long ass nonsensical post that doesn't prove your point.
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LOL and you are lying and twisting the facts which is blacks created their own styles independent of whites, most people here will agree buddy.Posts: 90 | Registered: Oct 2011
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By the way Doug most black women don't buy Loreal so I think you better find another product line that blk women do actually used, none of those hairstyles proved your point, why dont you actually pick up a black hairstyle magazine and than try to prove your point until than you are working on guess game and your opinions.
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lol at dreads look unnatural. Now the xenophobic retarded redneck claims to be the expert on this too. lololololololol.
Dreadlocks are an artificial hair style created by matting, backcombing, twist & rip, twist & pin, twisting, brush rubbing, dread braiding.
They are clearly not natural. No one's hair naturally grows as a dreadlock. Blacks create the dreadlock hairstyle since they cannot grow natural long hair, but as i said dreadlocks do not look natural.
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lol at dreads look unnatural. Now the xenophobic retarded redneck claims to be the expert on this too. lololololololol.
Dreadlocks are an artificial hair style created by matting, backcombing, twist & rip, twist & pin, twisting, brush rubbing, dread braiding.
They are clearly not natural. No one's hair naturally grows as a dreadlock. Blacks create the dreadlock hairstyle since they cannot grow natural long hair, but as i said dreadlocks do not look natural.
Yea you are clueless, dreads can be created by simple twisting of the natural afro texture hair this is all.. If the hair is already matted that you want to able to dread.. Dreadlocks have to be put on non relaxed hair, please you aren't smart.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: [/UOTE]LOL and where is your argument? You have proven nothing here, you only spouted off your opinion and spammed the thread with photos, which you have yet to prove that a white European created that hair style, and do you have a comprehension problem? Where did I say that the relaxer wasn't used to straighten hair? Clearly I said there is a difference between relaxed hair and white peoples hair, they also don't look alike at all.
Wrong you're just another idiot that want to give the use of black hair styles and styles period away to white Europeans when those styles had nothing to do with white Europeans, whatsoever, neither did a white european invent the perm.
There is nothing white or european about the many hairstyles that black women utilize today, nothing you say is fact its purely your opinion, neither can you back up anything you say, and of course you have to piggy back off the white racist because you don't believe in blacks having something distinct for themselves.
And there you go again swearing you are defending black society by telling lies.
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LOL LMBAO and what do I have to tell a lie about? Again please tell me the white European that created that hair style that the black women were wearing? Its a fact that those blk women created their own styles, not only with their regular hair but with braids. LOL!
quote:Again more bullshit and personal opinions, the use of relaxers were used for manageability thats how it was in the past,
Show me where ancient Africans ever used chemical relaxers to straighten their hair.....
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Again are you brain dead? In my earlier post I said the chemical relaxer hadn't been invented yet so they couldn't use of course, but obviously they made use of dying their hair blond and red though, but its a fact that the chemical relaxer was used for manageblity.
There is indeed something white or European about African American hairstyles when their hair matches those created by Europeans and promoted by white European fashion, entertainment and cosmetic companies.
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LOL and you are going to have to prove that, them having the same hair styles once in a gray moon doesn't mean that they got it from whites, so you are going to have to prove that whites invented those hairstyles..
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How on earth do you try and pretend that this somehow came about other than by direct overt influence?
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And why on earth do you pretend like you are bringing some great knowledge when youre not, your whole post is based off your opinions, neither can you back it up with any facts what so ever.
That is what I mean by you are simply lying.
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Then you make up these bogus strawmen to dance around the fact that you are simply promoting pure nonsense by denying the historical reality of European cultural and social domination in America.
LOL and your ass is denying black contribution in America society all to push some nonsensical agenda about hair relaxers, what are you a female? Why are you tied up into hair relaxers etc..
Give me a break. These hairstyles are identical and originate in the same place: White European culture. LOL umm since when did wearing your hair down become a white thing? LOL
LOL umm since when did wearing your hair down become a white thing? LOL
LOL you post a picture of a white female wearing her hair down and a black female wearing a Indian weave, and you think this some how proves your point?
Again, all of these images are taken directly from Loreal's facebook page. Again, Loreal does not make products to promote African natural hairstyles or textures. They promote white European hairstyles and textures and hence most of the African American women on their site and who promote their products in fashion and entertainment are promoting and wearing white European hair styles and textures. Because straight hair is not natural to most African Americans. So don't give me that crap that African Americans straighten their hair simply because they are creative and not because of any influence of white European culture or a desire to adopt white European hairstyles, because they do it every day.
LOL and you are a fcking idiot, if you believe this some how means that black women hairstyles are influenced by whites, and not their own I suggest you go get a black hairstyle magazine and a white magazine and you will see a big difference, not only that who the fck is natural now a days? No one hardly everyone uses something to change up their hair and make it different so you again made a long ass nonsensical post that doesn't prove your point.
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So like I said you are lying out of your teeth when the facts are staring you in the face. .
LOL and you are lying and twisting the facts which is blacks created their own styles independent of whites, most people here will agree buddy. [/QUOTE] Euronut, none of the things you are saying are supported by facts. Throughout their history in the United States, African Americans have adopted the style and fashion of the European dominant culture. And the predominant influence in America is from European American culture onto African American culture. You don't see most white women trying to make their hair curly or kinky now do you. Yet you see black women spending billions of dollars every year to make their hair straight like white women. And you sit here and claim that they do this, just because they are creative as Africans. Please. The point is that they straighten their hair because they want to look like the white women on TV, in fashion and on the beauty Ads. There is no other reason.
You have yet to show where Africans ever did this prior to being in America. Africans wore their hair natural, whether kinky, curly or in between. There was no reason to make it straight if it was not already straight.
So the answer remains, why do the majority of African American women want to make their hair straight? And why is it that the majority of white European American women do not want to make their hair kinky?
That is the issue. And the answer is simply because America is a European dominated society and culture and African Americans are adopting the styles and fashions of the dominant culture.
Denying it doesn't make you strong, it makes you weak because you are simply lying and trying to get around facts that are uncomfortable.
Straight hair is not a natural hairstyle or texture for most Africans in America and only is natural for white women in America and if that is the style of hair Africans in America are adopting, it is because they want to look like white women, especially when they dye their hair blonde as well. None of that has anything to do with ancient Africa, ancient Egypt or anything else other than the current domination of American culture by white Europeans.
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Euronut, none of the things you are saying are supported by facts. Throughout their history in the United States, African Americans have adopted the style and fashion of the European dominant culture.
And your proof is exactly? The facts say that there was influence going both ways not just one way. Today there is hardly anything that black americans have adopted from white americans why because they would be completely ostracized and labeled as white washed, most blacks know this unless you're not a black american?
And the predominant influence in America is from European American culture onto African American culture. You don't see most white women trying to make their hair curly or kinky now do you.
LOL yes many white women of the past and even today adopted styles of black women plenty..
Yet you see black women spending billions of dollars every year to make their hair straight like white women.
LOL again this has nothing to do with white women and everything to do with manageability not to be white.
And you sit here and claim that they do this, just because they are creative as Africans. Please. The point is that they straighten their hair because they want to look like the white women on TV, in fashion and on the beauty Ads. There is no other reason.
LOL whomp whomp there is no style that white women have that black women want to emulate whatsoever none, most of the styles that whites have is again seen as ugly and uncool to most blks, segregation made a even bigger impact of blk society why? Because than they were able to create their own distinct culture separate from whites.
You have yet to show where Africans ever did this prior to being in America. Africans wore their hair natural, whether kinky, curly or in between. There was no reason to make it straight if it was not already straight.
LOL again the chemical relaxer wasn't created, but you have no evidence that once it was created or if they did it themselves that they wouldn't had used it.
So the answer remains, why do the majority of African American women want to make their hair straight? And why is it that the majority of white European American women do not want to make their hair kinky?
Again for manageability curly hair can sometimes have the look of being unkempt and uncombed not only that its the factor of having to take care of it, but there are plenty of white women and whites that utilize black hairstyles and mannerisms
That is the issue. And the answer is simply because America is a European dominated society and culture and African Americans are adopting the styles and fashions of the dominant culture.
LOL wrong both groups dominate in the world of fashion as well as entertainment especially blacks, hell entertainment and fashion are both intertwined, its blacks for the most part who set the standards because everybody has this belief that blacks are cool and whites are uppity and snobbish.
Denying it doesn't make you strong, it makes you weak because you are simply lying and trying to get around facts that are uncomfortable.
LOL no you are simply one of those brainwashed you know what, I'm not going to even use the word but its obvious you sitting up here trying to deny the fact that there was influence going back and forth that blacks have been the biggest ones setting the trends.
Straight hair is not a natural hairstyle or texture for most Africans in America and only is natural for white women in America and if that is the style of hair Africans in America are adopting, it is because they want to look like white women,
Wrong! And this is where you fall off there is nothing natural about any of the hair products today many white women are perming straightening dying and doing stuff to their own hair, just because black women and white women do certain things especially black women doesn't mean we want to some how be white, because white women are one not the only ones in the country with straight hair just like black women arent the only ones in the country with fat asses, but if we use you analogy when white women do most of the stuff that they do they must want to be black? Or is this only preserved for blk women?
especially when they dye their hair blonde as well. None of that has anything to do with ancient Africa, ancient Egypt or anything else other than the current domination of American culture by white Europeans. [/QB]
Yea again its all about adopting a new style blond hair is a rare hair color and fits many black women with that have a certain skin tone and believe it or not some black women do have hair that is naturally blond Its all about the trend, many black women have decided to go back to rocking fros, whats the reason for this? Is it because they some how want to do it because of white women?
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Here is what a black looks like when they dye their hair blonde -
In contrast here is a natural blonde haired white woman -
Blacks cannot get close to whites in beauty. Negroid physical features (wooly hair, thick lips, dark skin, wide noses etc) are universally considered to be not attractive. Everyone knows this. Just look above.
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lol at dreads look unnatural. Now the xenophobic retarded redneck claims to be the expert on this too. lololololololol.
Dreadlocks are an artificial hair style created by matting, backcombing, twist & rip, twist & pin, twisting, brush rubbing, dread braiding.
They are clearly not natural. No one's hair naturally grows as a dreadlock. Blacks create the dreadlock hairstyle since they cannot grow natural long hair, but as i said dreadlocks do not look natural.
Retarded redneck, Dreads can grow naturally. All the above you claimed and quoted, is to make it appear more fine. It has nothing to do with dreads themselves growing naturally. when nappy hair grows it naturally becomes dread like. When it grows long enough it becomes long dreadlocks.
Hence the word: lock. The hair is locked naturally into a dread
Real Rastafarians never alter the process of their dreads. They let nature take its course.
Get it, retarded redneck. Smh.
Whether you think its naturally looking or not is completely irrelevant.
Examples of the beginning stages...
Babies hair,
^ no, they aren't Asians.lol
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Here is what a black looks like when they dye their hair blonde -
In contrast here is a natural blonde haired white woman -
Blacks cannot get close to whites in beauty. Negroid physical features (wooly hair, thick lips, dark skin, wide noses etc) are universally considered to be not attractive. Everyone knows this. Just look above.
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^ Yep. Everyone agrees black woman are ugly. Even the black males on this forum drool over white woman. Blacks self-hate their features and crave white genes.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Here is what a black looks like when they dye their hair blonde -
In contrast here is a natural blonde haired white woman -
@ cassiterides.. hold up!
you forgot to include her sisters. who also have moles on their lips & a birthmark on their cheeks.
Blacks cannot get close to whites in beauty. Negroid physical features (wooly hair, thick lips, dark skin, wide noses etc) are universally considered to be not attractive. Everyone knows this. Just look above.
. . . I see dyed hair, eye contacts & blotchy pink skin on her cheek..which is still visible after her makeover.
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Yep. Everyone agrees black woman are ugly. Even the black males on this forum drool over white woman. Blacks self-hate their features and crave white genes.
LOL look at this ret8arded c8nt is yourself esteem so low that you have to vie for attention, from people that you believe are inferior?
LOL what a pathetic tramp you are, is this why you spend your time on a mostly black forum? Trying to promote white h8es that look 60 at the age of 25? Hoe sit cho ass down no one thinks that plain jane white hoes are pretty, the only good looking ones are the ones that are mixed hence why everybody voted for mixed women, not fast aging white hoes like you.
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quote:Originally posted by element: I see dyed hair, eye contacts & blotchy pink skin on her cheek..which is still visible after her makeover.
She is a natural blue eyed blonde. Her name is Danielle trixie. She is an adult model, and lists her natural hair colour as blonde on her website and in magazine interviews.
Basically you have to stoop so low to deny she is a natural blonde because you are amazed by her beauty. Black woman in contrast are hideous.
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