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"Eyeballing" AEian murals, statues etc AEians were undoubtedly extremely dark people. Most had curly straight hair, a few had kinky hair. Most had "sharp noses", a few had "flat noses". It is 50/50 for the full lips vs thin lips.
Bottom line - ALL were black. Infact, as black as equatorial Africans. Which makes sense after all they came from the South (Sudan) and Sahara areas.
And unlike many here I believe extremely kinky hair is a NEW evolutionary adaptation. Which means original Africans(AMH) probably had straightish hair when they lived in the plains of the Sahara and East Africa.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: ^^ ] Here is another one. This is not rocket science.
WTF - Why debate this shyte.
ESR has the full study. There are many others.
======= Histologic findings in mummified skin Thomas A. Chapel, M.D., Amir H. Mehregan, M.D., and Theodore A. Reyman, M.D. Detroit, MJ Skin specimens from five mummies were examined histologically. The specimens ranged in age from 2,000 to 3,200 years . Material from two mummies had carbonized and showed only amorphous debris. The histology of the three remaining skin fragments retained surprising histologic architectural detail. One specimen obtained from the sole of the foot was compatible with a callus. (J AM ACAD DERMATOL 4:27-30 , 1981.)
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Egyptian mummies were prepared by chemical dehydration, and the skin was covered with plant resin or mineral pitch prior to elaborate wrapping. Despite these factors, many areas of the skin of these mummies have been well preserved. The dehydration procedures and the passage of centuries have made the skin hard, brittle, and virtually water-free. However, following rehydration and histologic processing, surprising morphologic detail often remains . This report describes the histologic findings of skin fragments from five Egyptian mummies, although experience of one of us (T. A . R.) suggests that the changes in the Aleutian and North and South American mummies are similar.
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The specimens ranged in age from 2 ,000 to 3,200 years . The first four specimens were random skin sections, while the one from the Royal Ontario Museum mummy consisted of one of two contiguous papules, 0.3 to 0.5 em, from the sole of the right foot in the area of the second and third metatarsal heads
===== Fig. 1. Tissue from the nape of the neck shows a deeply pigmented epidermis. Occasional clear cells (arrow) are recognized at the dermoepidermal junction. In the papillary connective tissue are nuclei of fibroblasts. (Hematoxylin-eosin stain; X60.)
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Fig. 2. In the deep dermis is an acutely curved hair follicle suggesting formation of a[u] kinky hair shaft[/u]. (Hematoxylin-eosin stain; x60.)
I think this needs to be re-posted, and drummed into certain peoples heads man. Nothing mulattoe about AE.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: [QB] "Eyeballing" AEian murals, statues etc AEians were undoubtedly extremely dark people.
On eyeballing AE art:
You can't be serious. Most "extremely dark" ?
You must be cherry picking heavily. I was say medium brown rather than dark brown. Millions of African Americans are also medium brown. As well as other non-Africans. some are dark and a few extremely dark
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:Most had curly straight hair a few had kinky hair. Most had "sharp noses", a few had "flat noses". It is 50/50 for the full lips vs thin lips.
no let's put what you are saying together. You said most were
extremely dark had curly straight hair had sharp noses
Which contemporary North African population or tribe matches these three "mosts" ?
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: unlike many here I believe extremely kinky hair is a NEW evolutionary adaptation. Which means original Africans(AMH) probably had straightish hair when they lived in the plains of the Sahara and East Africa.
that's a new one. why do you believe that?
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quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: [QB] To be honest, both of those studies on mummies are rather vague when describing pigmentation. What exactly is the range of melanin content for people of "Negroid"
whatever you want it to be, that shall be the yardstick of Negroid measurement. It's up to you to determine such a point.
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The general consensus reached at the Cairo Symposium was that there was no evidence that the ancient Egyptians were white; that Egypt was not influenced by Mesopotamia, but the peoples from "the Great Lakes region in inner-equatorial Africa."
For centuries, this area of equatorial Africa has been called "The Mountain of the Moon" by the native inhabitants. As a matter of fact, in the language of Ki-Swahili, 'Kilimanjaro' means "Mountain of the Moon," as does the Burgunda word 'Rwenzori.' Kilimanjaro, the tallest mountain in Africa, rises to a height of 19,340 feet. The second major contributor to the waters of the White Nile is the Rwenzori Mountains, which border the countries of Uganda and Zaire.
The symposium also rejected the notion that Pharaonic Egyptian, which remained a stable language for more than 4,500 years, was influenced by Semitic language (of the pseudo-named phylum "Afro-Asiatic"). The proceedings of the conference were published by UNESCO in 1978.
One of the most significant revelations presented at the Cairo Symposium was Diop's development of the "Melanin Dosage Test." This one simple test provided the means by which one could determine the PHENOTYPE of the Egyptian royal mummies by examining the melanin content present in their skin.
The test involved the acquisition of specimens, consisting of a few square millimeters of mummified skin, which were then coated with ethyl benzoate and exposed to natural or ultra-violet light. This procedure rendered the melanin granules in the skin specimen fluorescent, thus enabling them to be counted by Diop.
MELANIN DOSAGE TEST
quote: In practice it is possible to determine directly the skin color and hence the ethnic affiliations of the ancient Egyptians by microscopic analysis in the laboratory; I doubt if the sagacity of the researchers who have studied the question has overlooked the possibility.
Melanin (eumelanin), the chemical body responsible for skin pigmentation, is, broadly speaking, insoluble and is preserved for millions of years in the skins of fossil animals.
There is thus all the more reason for it to be readily recoverable in the skins of Egyptian mummies, despite a tenacious legend that the skin of mummies, tainted by the embalming material, is no longer susceptible of any analysis.
Although the epidermis is the main site of the melanin, the melanocytes penetrating the derm at the boundary between it and the epidermis, even where the latter has mostly been destroyed by the embalming materials, show a melanin level which is non-existent in the white-skinned races.
The samples I myself analyzed were taken in the physical anthropology laboratory of the Mus'ee de l'Homme in Paris off the mummies from the Marietta excavations in Egypt. ( This test indicated that these remains were of Black people. )
The same method is perfectly suitable for use on the royal mummies of Thutmoses III, Seti I and Ramses II in the Cairo Museum, which are in an excel state of preservation.
For two years past I have been vainly begging the curator of the Cairo Museum for similar samples to analyze. No more than a few square millimetres of skin would be required to mount a specimen, the preparations being a few um in thickness and lightened with ethyl benzoate.
They can be studied by natural light or with ultra-violet lighting which renders the melanin grains fluorescent.
Either way let us simply say that the evaluation of melanin level by microscopic examination is a laboratory method which enables us to classify the ancient Egyptians unquestionably among the black races.
By Cheikh Anta Diop
Official UNESCO report conclusion: “Although the preparatory working paper sent out by UNESCO gave particulars of what was desired, not all participants had prepared communications comparable with the painstakingly researched contributions of Professors Cheikh Anta Diop and Obenga. There was consequently a real lack of balance in the discussions.”
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HE describes the hypocrisy and double standards of the European academy perfectly.
"But it is only the most gratuitous theory that considers the Dinka, the Nouer and the Masai, among others, to be Caucasoids. What if an African ethnologist were to persist in recognizing as white-only the blond, blue-eyed Scandinavians, and systematically refused membership to the remaining Europeans, and Mediterraneans in particular—the French, Italians, Greek, Spanish, and Portuguese? Just as the inhabitants of Scandinavia and the Mediterranean countries must be considered as two extreme poles of the same anthropological reality, so should the Negroes of East and West Africa be considered as the two extremes in the reality of the Negro world. To say that a Shillouk, a Dinka, or a Nouer is a Caucasoid is for an African as devoid of sense and scientific interest as would be, to a European, an attitude that maintained that a Greek or a Latin were not of the same race." --C.A. Diop 1964
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^ I doubt the European academia at least today still goes by such a senseless and idiotic premise. Such a premise was long abandoned by academia by the obvious reasons just stated. Unfortunately the same cannot be said about pathetic white losers who still cling to such a premise and who specifically roam this board today! And you guys know who I'm talking about-- those who claim the Maasai as cacasoids and no doubt the Dinka and Nuer also! LOLPosts: 26246 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Keita did a reverse play on the true negro stereotype in his Early Nile Valley Farmers from El Badari, and in his cranial studies of the 1990s, confirming what Diop was saying 30 years earlier as to Badarian affinities.
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^ Due to such findings, I now notice the stance academia has taken today is basically to acknowledge all this yet make no open or blatant claim that the ancient Egyptians were blacks. In other words academia is saying the ancient Egyptians were indigenous Africans possessing the most affinity with neighboring Africans including Sub-Saharans, but they will never as yet say that all this means the Egyptians were indeed black.
It's like saying this bird looks like a chicken, walks like a chicken, sounds like one, and has all the cranial and skeletal features plus plumage and and other features... period. But they won't come out and say the bird is a damn chicken! LOL
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'academia is saying the ancient Egyptians were indigenous Africans possessing the most affinity with neighboring Africans including Sub-Saharans, but they will never as yet say that all this means the Egyptians were indeed black.
It's like saying this bird looks like a chicken, walks like a chicken, sounds like one, and has all the cranial and skeletal features plus plumage and and other features... period. But they won't come out and say the bird is a damn chicken! LOL
Strange is it not??'
Yep. Very, very strange. I wonder if the notion of admission represents a painful defeat. They would then risk a 'domino effect' in that Black influences on Western Civilization would then come under the spotlight. That the progenitors of Western science, Maths, Philosophy, Architecture and Engineering were Black Africans, a group of people once enslaved and vilified and now dismissed and patronised, would be too much for Western academia and the self-concept of Whites.
The break-out will happen though, whether or not Western academia is aboard.
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Funny how people will say there is no such thing as race and then want acedemia to say the Egyptians were the the socially constructed racial term "black".
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Funny how people will say there is no such thing as race and then want acedemia to say the Egyptians were were the the socially constructed racial term "black".
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^ But the Lyinass is WRONG as usual. 'Black' is NOT a 'race' or racial term but rather a descriptive term. The Egyptians were black because they were very darkly pigmented being as they were indigenous Africans, thus black Africans. Such is not a racial grouping. But it's funny how European academia (and Lyinass) has no problem saying the Romans and Celts were white, now do they?
quote:Originally posted by claus3600: @Djehuti
'academia is saying the ancient Egyptians were indigenous Africans possessing the most affinity with neighboring Africans including Sub-Saharans, but they will never as yet say that all this means the Egyptians were indeed black.
It's like saying this bird looks like a chicken, walks like a chicken, sounds like one, and has all the cranial and skeletal features plus plumage and and other features... period. But they won't come out and say the bird is a damn chicken! LOL
Strange is it not??'
Yep. Very, very strange. I wonder if the notion of admission represents a painful defeat. They would then risk a 'domino effect' in that Black influences on Western Civilization would then come under the spotlight. That the progenitors of Western science, Maths, Philosophy, Architecture and Engineering were Black Africans, a group of people once enslaved and vilified and now dismissed and patronised, would be too much for Western academia and the self-concept of Whites.
The break-out will happen though, whether or not Western academia is aboard.
Old habits die hard and there is still some resistance and clinging on to the 'old ways' though in certain circles. National Geographic for instance still publishes their white-wash depictions of Egyptians despite their knowledge of what Egyptians really looked like. They even have their pimps like Zahi Hawass help with their propaganda including the latest (of 7) reconstructions of Tut.
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If the question was asked were the Egyptians very dark skinned the answer would be that original skin color is difficult to be certain about based on mummies. Based on the art most Egyptians are depicted as medium dark, some lighter others darker. Nubians more often but not always depicted very dark.
"dark skinned" or "brown" is descriptive.
"Black" and "white" are obviously racial terms and different terms from "dark skinned" and "light skinned".
Example:
The term "blacks" here is not a simple description of any dark skinned person. For example:
The people below, would not be included in the above "black" or "white" category as per this bone indices study
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: If the question was asked were the Egyptians very dark skinned the answer would be that original skin color is difficult to be certain about based on mummies. Based on the art most Egyptians are depicted as medium dark, some lighter others darker. Nubians more often but not always depicted very dark.
"dark skinned" or "brown" is descriptive.
"Black" and "white" are obviously racial terms and different terms from "dark skinned" and "light skinned".
Example:
The term "blacks" here is not a simple description of any dark skinned person. For example:
The people below, would not be included in the above "black" or "white" category as per this bone indices study
Bad analogy. Problem is these don't look like ancient Egyptians to most people and not to the ancient Greeks either.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Funny how people will say there is no such thing as race and then want acedemia to say the Egyptians were the the socially constructed racial term "black".
Tropically-affiliated and looking Africans is what they've been saying and that's good enough for me. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: "Eyeballing" AEian murals, statues etc AEians were undoubtedly extremely dark people. Most had curly straight hair, a few had kinky hair. Most had "sharp noses", a few had "flat noses". It is 50/50 for the full lips vs thin lips.
Bottom line - ALL were black. Infact, as black as equatorial Africans. Which makes sense after all they came from the South (Sudan) and Sahara areas.
And unlike many here I believe extremely kinky hair is a NEW evolutionary adaptation. Which means original Africans(AMH) probably had straightish hair when they lived in the plains of the Sahara and East Africa.
Most probably didn't have straight hair, there is no evidence whatsoever of that. No matter how much chemicals during mummification may have altered their African hair.
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And unlike many here I believe extremely kinky hair is a NEW evolutionary adaptation. Which means original Africans(AMH) probably had straightish hair when they lived in the plains of the Sahara and East Africa.
^^A possibility. The writings out there are mixed. Some writers hold that "kinky" hair evolved to give better heat protection in heavy equatorial jungle. Others claim that the tight "peppercorn" hair of the San peoples evolved in open spaces allowing rapid evaporation of perspiration in hot or tropical climates. (See: Race and racism: an introduction. By Carolyn Fluehr-Lobban 2005). The jury still seems to be out on enviro causes. Maybe there is no enviro cause per se and just the built-in diversity of Africa as the source of modern humanity at work.
Whatever the exact mechanisms, if people who populated West Africa came from East Africa, with its many varied environments, they originally may have had straighter, wavy hair, which then adapted to the heavy equatorial jungle zones, or the wide open hot zones of savannah and desert. East Africa has many micro-climes giving plenty of scope for different adaptations and variants. If the claimed "recent East African/Sahara approach" is correct, then the "original" wavy/loose hairs could change not only in jungle environments but also in hot savanna and deserts as well. As the original source however East Africa would get all the above variants and ranges as part of its built-in indigenous mix.
At the same time, Africans are not static people and move freely throughout the continent over human history. They are not rigidly confined to their "proper" "apartheid" zones as some would have it. THey do move around. So "kinky" haired cattle herders/farmers move routinely around on colder high altitude slopes of East African mountains, or dry desert areas. They are not bound to one place on the continent.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: "Eyeballing" AEian murals, statues etc AEians were undoubtedly extremely dark people.
Infact, as black as equatorial Africans.
rather than a faded version of chocolate brown, most AE in the art had a medium reddish brown skin tone, a reddish brwon tone that is not uncommon in modern Egypt. Some appear lighter, others darker. Obviously as per the art they were not represented as "extremly" dark as equatorial Africans. Why would you say this? One of the common tones used by the AE's to portray Nubians is black and you don't see groups (I said groups) of AE's portrayed in this extremely dark color. The vast amjority are portrayed a brick brown color:
most typical ancient Egyptian skin color (hair however is extremely dark):
extremely dark typical Nubian color
^^^^obvious difference, you can't be serious
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
Most had curly straight hair, a few had kinky hair. Most had "sharp noses", a few had "flat noses". It is 50/50 for the full lips vs thin lips.
Bottom line - ALL were black. Which makes sense after all they came from the South (Sudan) and Sahara areas.
is this a list of "black traits" and you are concluding from this list
that "Bottom line - ALL were black" ?
or are you not making such a connection?
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
And unlike many here I believe extremely kinky hair is a NEW evolutionary adaptation. Which means original Africans(AMH) probably had straightish hair when they lived in the plains of the Sahara and East Africa. [/QB]
this would mean that Africans who continued to live in these climates for long periods, example Khosians in an even more arid climate, would have retained straight hair. But they do not have straight hair. In fact their peppercorn hair is more different to straight hair than is the common type of afro-kinky hair found in most parts of Africa.
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^ ^ You can't be serious. The vast majority of the A.E population skin tone was dark (reddish) brown not medium brick red. The photo depicting the jumping man was taken in the tomb under a set luminous condition making his skin look so red. Normally, his skin is dark (reddish) brown.
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this would mean that Africans who continued to live in these climates for long periods, example Khosians in an even more arid climate, would have retained straight hair. But they do not have straight hair. In fact their peppercorn hair is more different to straight hair than is the common type of afro-kinky hair found in most parts of Africa.
^^No dumbass. Because peppercorn hair can also be an adaptation to hot environments. African people CAN vary in how they look or adapt, and they DO move around the continent from climatic zone to zone.
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] this would mean that Africans who continued to live in these climates for long periods, example Khosians in an even more arid climate, would have retained straight hair. But they do not have straight hair. In fact their peppercorn hair is more different to straight hair than is the common type of afro-kinky hair found in most parts of Africa.
^^No dumbass. Because peppercorn hair can also be an adaptation to hot environments. African people CAN vary in how they look or adapt, and they DO move around the continent from climatic zone to zone.
jackass, adapatations that are different from other adaptations are different because the people that have a particular adapatation stay in one place long enough to be affected by the environment. I have been noting your silly remarks, basically you say a trait can be related to a given environment but it can also be a product of the opposite enviroenment. Basically you obscure and fuzz any connection between a specific environment and a particular adaptive trait. You are constantly saying in the land of Africa anything can be anything at any time. Africans can be anything they want to be. magically transforming when they want to any which way to any given environment at any time. But the final icing of jackassedness you layer the cake with is that "Africans are not bound to any one locataion" they are free to move anywhere they want. They're aloud to go where they want to go. They frolick through the desert on Mondays but spend weekends in their jungle residences. In the middle of the week they have picnics in the Savanah or climb the snowy peak of Kilamanjaro. Peppercorn hair can help you perspire in the rain forest or it can protect you from mountain frosts. Everything is multi-pupose so don't try to pin us down.
If this were the case all Africans would look the same, constantly moving around not to "bound" to any one spot long enough to develop an adaptation to any one spot. Yes, anything can be anything at any time with the magical people we call Africans. It's an example of African biodiversity I mean diversity (but skip the "bio" part, that's anthroscape lingo)
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Y@lioness 'yes, anything can be anything at any time with the magical people we call Africans. It's an example of African biodiversity I mean diversity (but skip the "bio" part, that's anthroscape lingo)'
Why do people continue to debate you? You're such a fuckwit who's main intention is to bait and provoke.
**** off!!!
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quote:Originally posted by claus3600: Y@lioness 'yes, anything can be anything at any time with the magical people we call Africans. It's an example of African biodiversity I mean diversity (but skip the "bio" part, that's anthroscape lingo)'
Why do people continue to debate you? You're such a fuckwit who's main intention is to bait and provoke.
**** off!!!
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quote:Wikipedia: Diop published his technique and methodology for a melanin dosage test in scholarly journals. Diop used this technique to determine the melanin content of the Egyptian mummies. Forensic investigators later adopted this technique to determine the "racial identity" of badly burnt accident victims.
That this new technique was later adopted by the U.S. forensic department to determine the racial identity of badly burnt accident victims and has never acknowledged the author of this test; Cheikh Anta Diop...is ironic but not surprising...
Wally do the basic research, in forensics race estimates use no method related to melanin. Your comment is complete nonsense. They use cranial and skeletal analysis. In your your example, if the person was badly burned there would be no skin to test anyway. If some white person were burnt to a crisp you'd probably say they were black. If some part of the person was not burnt there would be no need for a test. Don't look now here's some guys with plenty of melanin:
What is it you try to say? lol
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: If the question was asked were the Egyptians very dark skinned the answer would be that original skin color is difficult to be certain about based on mummies. Based on the art most Egyptians are depicted as medium dark, some lighter others darker. Nubians more often but not always depicted very dark.
"dark skinned" or "brown" is descriptive.
"Black" and "white" are obviously racial terms and different terms from "dark skinned" and "light skinned".
Example:
The term "blacks" here is not a simple description of any dark skinned person. For example:
The people below, would not be included in the above "black" or "white" category as per this bone indices study
Again my Indian friend, the term black is associated with people of African descent. What part is it you can't understand about this?
Just like the n-word and words alike are associated with people of African descent.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: "Eyeballing" AEian murals, statues etc AEians were undoubtedly extremely dark people.
Infact, as black as equatorial Africans.
rather than a faded version of chocolate brown, most AE in the art had a medium reddish brown skin tone, a reddish brwon tone that is not uncommon in modern Egypt. Some appear lighter, others darker. Obviously as per the art they were not represented as "extremly" dark as equatorial Africans. Why would you say this? One of the common tones used by the AE's to portray Nubians is black and you don't see groups (I said groups) of AE's portrayed in this extremely dark color. The vast amjority are portrayed a brick brown color:
most typical ancient Egyptian skin color (hair however is extremely dark):
extremely dark typical Nubian color
^^^^obvious difference, you can't be serious
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
Most had curly straight hair, a few had kinky hair. Most had "sharp noses", a few had "flat noses". It is 50/50 for the full lips vs thin lips.
Bottom line - ALL were black. Which makes sense after all they came from the South (Sudan) and Sahara areas.
is this a list of "black traits" and you are concluding from this list
that "Bottom line - ALL were black" ?
or are you not making such a connection?
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
And unlike many here I believe extremely kinky hair is a NEW evolutionary adaptation. Which means original Africans(AMH) probably had straightish hair when they lived in the plains of the Sahara and East Africa.
this would mean that Africans who continued to live in these climates for long periods, example Khosians in an even more arid climate, would have retained straight hair. But they do not have straight hair. In fact their peppercorn hair is more different to straight hair than is the common type of afro-kinky hair found in most parts of Africa. [/QB]
The climate is alike, not the same. It also depends on whether one moved to different places/ migrated. And had different diet.
Everyone is affected different by circumstances. Can you understand?
For your extremely dark argument, look at the posts above where you posted pictures of men of different complexions. Why is that? They are from the same region after all!
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quote:Originally posted by Hammer: Diop was a radical s cholar out on the edge. His work has been riddled by criticism in recent years. You should know that Wally or is the above piece just another wallyism?
Typical; in recent years.lol
Why not during his time and age?
And even despite of, that it has been reconfirmed by the German institution. As was shown again and again. You should know that.
You got hammered down again.
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quote:Originally posted by Wally: ...this posting, which I inadvertently started as a new topic, should have actually been posted here because it reflects the continuing scientific investigations stemming from the 1974 Cairo conference...It's an update:
quote:Originally posted by Wally: This site was provided by Nehesy. I used Google translate to give us the English translation from the French...
Letter from Cairo
quote:SOME GENETIC FEATURES OF ANCIENT EGYPTIANS
As part of research conducted by the Cairo University in collaboration with the Higher Council of Antiquities, it has been possible to achieve the anthropological characteristics of the Pharaohs.
According to preliminary indications, we reached a number of traits of the Pharaohs. It was possible to identify genes for size, color and eye color and hair of the king in the Pharaonic era in which samples were collected. They were placed on mummies in sarcophagi. A group of researchers has been able to separate those genes that have proven that the ancient Egyptians were not taller as previously thought. Their size was rather average, with the exception of Ramses II, whose analysis of genes has proven to be cut.
It has also been demonstrated that his skin was brown and his hair was black, not red. The color red has been found on his mummy is due to a dye (probably henna). His eyes were black with a slight tinge of brown.
Amenhotep III was short of stature, the color of his skin was a light brown. His eyes and his hair was black dark. These features show that the kings were related. All the kings at that time had a common origin in the family tree of the royal family. It is possible to determine a precise dates and times in the future. This research will confirm certain anthropological traits that have been studied before on the Pharaonic mummies. This will give preliminary indications about the traits, diseases and characteristics of the Pharaohs.
The Egyptian Information Service lists no letter entitled:
CERTAINS TRAITS GENETIQUES DES EGYPTIENS ANCIENS
Or the english translation:
SOME GENETIC FEATURES OF ANCIENT EGYPTIANS
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The so called "Melanin Dosage Test" doesn't exist. It's a myth and not part of forensics.
Wally's stuck in 1974.
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You have to be a complete bag full of chicken ****.
There are quite a view studies on melanin and pigmentation. Done on micro level. So yes is it does exist. It's not even worth discussing this matter.
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adapatations that are different from other adaptations are different because the people that have a particular adapatation stay in one place long enough to be affected by the environment. I have been noting your silly remarks, basically you say a trait can be related to a given environment but it can also be a product of the opposite enviroenment.
^^You are living proof that manure can sprout legs and walk. You are trying to come up with some rigid model where African people stay in their "assigned" climatic zones so you can tag them with a 'racial' stereotype. Real life and adaptation does not work that way stupid. Traits can be found in different environments because people move around, or the trait can function neutrally or positively in other environments. Broad noses and dark skin can function quite well on high altitude East African mountains for millennia. Your failure to accept this basic reality only exposes you for the dunderhead you are, and exposes your bogus stereotypical race ideas.
Basically you obscure and fuzz any connection between a specific environment and a particular adaptive trait.
Dumbass, tropical Africa has numerous micro-climes. It does not not parcel itself out into little race checkboxes of the traits you think Africans "truly" have. This has already been demonstrated to you for well over a year on ES with study after study. Are you always this stupid, or are you making the usual special effort?
the final icing of jackassedness you layer the cake with is that "Africans are not bound to any one locataion" they are free to move anywhere they want. They're aloud to go where they want to go. They frolick through the desert on Mondays but spend weekends in their jungle residences. In the middle of the week they have picnics in the Savanah or climb the snowy peak of Kilamanjaro. Peppercorn hair can help you perspire in the rain forest or it can protect you from mountain frosts. Everything is multi-pupose so don't try to pin us down.
^^lol.. see here is where you expose your bogus "race" model for Africans again. Yes, surprising as it may seem to your idiotic little brain- quoting your own words: Africans "are free to move anywhere they want. They're aloud to go where they want to go."
This is precisely right and is zone of the reasons your idiotic search for little apartheid climatic zones where Africans are "supposed" to remain, "in their place" so they can be checked off into little racial boxes fails.
If this were the case all Africans would look the same, constantly moving around not to "bound" to any one spot long enough to develop an adaptation to any one spot.
You absolute dufus. When they were handing out brains, you musta thought they said 'trains' and asked for a slow one. Think dummy think! Even if Africans never moved around but just stayed put, according to your model, then they STILL would NOT "all have looked the same" because some would have "stayed put" in desert, some in savannah, some in jungle, some in high altitude plateau, some on coastal zones. All these areas would STILL have made for some adaptations in time even if people never went anywhere. In addition, since tropical Africa is the most genetically diverse area on the planet, built in genetic variation would STILL have made for different looking people even if they all conformed to your "climate apartheid" model and "stayed put."
lioness productions..
More like blithering idiot's manure "products"...
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zorohan, you are finally getting it, the variation in Africans is due to the fact that different Africans lived in different African climates long enough to take on characteristics specific to those climates. The fact that they had an ancient passport to go to other places if they want to is irrelevant to this point. In others words you might live on the continent but you aint no 'gyptian just like a Swede aint no Greek.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: zorohan, you are finally getting it, the variation in Africans is due to the fact that different Africans lived in different African climates long enough to take on characteristics specific to those climates. The fact that they had an ancient passport to go to other places if they want to is irrelevant to this point. In others words you might live on the continent but you aint no 'gyptian just like a Swede aint no Greek.
lioness productions
What you've just claimed goes for all other continents as well.
Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: "Eyeballing" AEian murals, statues etc AEians were undoubtedly extremely dark people.
Infact, as black as equatorial Africans.
rather than a faded version of chocolate brown, most AE in the art had a medium reddish brown skin tone, a reddish brwon tone that is not uncommon in modern Egypt. Some appear lighter, others darker. Obviously as per the art they were not represented as "extremly" dark as equatorial Africans. Why would you say this? One of the common tones used by the AE's to portray Nubians is black and you don't see groups (I said groups) of AE's portrayed in this extremely dark color. The vast amjority are portrayed a brick brown color:
most typical ancient Egyptian skin color (hair however is extremely dark):
extremely dark typical Nubian color
^^^^obvious difference, you can't be serious
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
Most had curly straight hair, a few had kinky hair. Most had "sharp noses", a few had "flat noses". It is 50/50 for the full lips vs thin lips.
Bottom line - ALL were black. Which makes sense after all they came from the South (Sudan) and Sahara areas.
is this a list of "black traits" and you are concluding from this list
that "Bottom line - ALL were black" ?
or are you not making such a connection?
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
And unlike many here I believe extremely kinky hair is a NEW evolutionary adaptation. Which means original Africans(AMH) probably had straightish hair when they lived in the plains of the Sahara and East Africa.
this would mean that Africans who continued to live in these climates for long periods, example Khosians in an even more arid climate, would have retained straight hair. But they do not have straight hair. In fact their peppercorn hair is more different to straight hair than is the common type of afro-kinky hair found in most parts of Africa. [/QB]
From your dumb response it tells again that you have not seen a lot of depictions of ancient art, in the land of KMT.
Therefore you keep posting picture after picture of people who have no relation to that region what's-or-ever.
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I have noticed your replies are dumber than others. Other posters make stronger arguments against me because they fully understand what is being said. You don't you only half nderstnd what is being said and your replies are weak and emotional. Are you a teenager? You seem to be going through hormonal mood swings
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quote:Originally posted by the lyin' king: Troll Patrol:
blah blah blah
From your dumb response it tells again that you have not seen a lot of depictions of ancient art, in the land of KMT.
Therefore you keep posting picture after picture of people who have no relation to that region what's-or-ever.
THAT IS THE DUMBEST EVER. CAN YOU COMPREHEND?
You are so stupid you did not even know where NUBIA is at. lol That was the funniest ever!
Now, the reason why I respond at you, the way I do it because you post crap most of the time with no contribution, especially when you post pics of folks who have nothing to do with the region, at all! Your behaviour is not even childish, because I child would know better.
I have also noticed you can't respond proper to questions when I address them, you answer them by start picking selectively as if it means something, and spin away from the actual matter.
After awhile, I now see you for what you are, a clown!!!!! Got it? GOOD!
There is a reason why people often call you retard, lying ass, full of sh*t etc...It's no coincidence.
Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: zorohan, you are finally getting it, the variation in Africans is due to the fact that different Africans lived in different African climates long enough to take on characteristics specific to those climates. The fact that they had an ancient passport to go to other places if they want to is irrelevant to this point. In others words you might live on the continent but you aint no 'gyptian just like a Swede aint no Greek.
lioness productions
This was just another one of your dumb responses.
Ridiculous stupid.
Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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quote:Wikipedia: Diop published his technique and methodology for a melanin dosage test in scholarly journals. Diop used this technique to determine the melanin content of the Egyptian mummies. Forensic investigators later adopted this technique to determine the "racial identity" of badly burnt accident victims.
That this new technique was later adopted by the U.S. forensic department to determine the racial identity of badly burnt accident victims and has never acknowledged the author of this test; Cheikh Anta Diop...is ironic but not surprising...
Wally do the basic research, in forensics race estimates use no method related to melanin. Your comment is complete nonsense. They use cranial and skeletal analysis. In your your example, if the person was badly burned there would be no skin to test anyway. If some white person were burnt to a crisp you'd probably say they were black. If some part of the person was not burnt there would be no need for a test. Don't look now here's some guys with plenty of melanin:
What is it you try to say? lol
How about this one? lol
Still no response. I still dont know what the hell you try to prove?
I have posted a 2011 study to some members, on melanin and pigmentation. A study done on micro level. (remember you folks always love to go in to minor details when it comes to Africans.)
Other posters too have posted scientific studies on this matter. Yet, here you are the clown....it doesn't exist. lol
You just can't swallow and bear the fact that KMT was FUNDAMENTALLY AFRICAN IN HER ROOT. CREATED BY AFRICANS, FROM THE SOUTH!
Question however is, are the two people you posted here, both Indian?
Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: I have posted a 2011 study to some members, on melanin and pigmentation. A study done on micro level. (remember you folks always love to go in to minor details when it comes to Africans.)
Where did you post this?
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: I have posted a 2011 study to some members, on melanin and pigmentation. A study done on micro level. (remember you folks always love to go in to minor details when it comes to Africans.)
Where did you post this?
I posted this in the private postbox. I think I posted it to you aswell. It was posted in june.
And the study was from 2009, not 2011.
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An example of melanin study on mummies was posted in this very page, so I don't know what the hell the lyinass worm is talking about when she claims we can't tell what skin color the Egyptians had from their mummies because we obviously CAN.
quote:Originally posted by the lyinass: most typical ancient Egyptian skin color (hair however is extremely dark):
extremely dark typical Nubian color
^^^^obvious difference, you can't be serious.
And here are a group of Nubians as well
Lyinass bullsh|t productions cleaned up.
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