-btw the original Turks were black then they had some albino babies who ran off into the forest and formed a club
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These Niggers would kick your Dumb Ass if you said that to them!
quote:Originally posted by kenndo: edited- YOU SPEAK NON-SENSE and THOSE TWO PICs,those were whites.persians today are basically the same has the persians who invaded egypt and the assyrians in basic phenotype.anyway that's your problem if you do not believe the facts.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Mike's dream is to be Persian
-btw the original Turks were black then they had some albino babies who ran off into the forest and formed a club
He,he Sooo Lioness, are you officially on-board with Kenndos evaluation?
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quote:Originally posted by Wally: Expert Says Nefertiti Bust Is a Fake AOL
(May 5) - A Swiss art historian says the famous bust of Queen Nefertiti, believed to be 3,400 years old, is in fact a copy from 1912...
An overlay over the black Nefertiti original bust beneath...
This fake Tetisheri statue (with its facial features resembling most Europeans) was showcased in the British Museum special exhibit on forgeries in 1990, but not before this forgery fooled experts and deceived the world for 100 years...
The Ra-Hotep and Nofret statues are seated in strange chairs with backboards and Mdw Ntr writing near their head. These statues are among the greatest forgeries in the history of ancient African archaeology. --Prof. Manu Ampim
Hemiunu - miraculous restored with a European, very non-Ancient Egyptian head...
Regardless of who defaced the visage of this Black African sphinx, National Geographic gives us the image of a European with a tan, like the one in Vegas...
Once again, National Geographic continues with its distortions by taking the image of the Black African king on the left and giving us the image of 'Boy George' with a tan...
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Wally, I hope you don't mind if I post Prof. Manu Ampim's page. He has done some really good work, and provides examples and explanations that many might find interesting and informative.
THE VANISHING EVIDENCE OF CLASSICAL AFRICAN CIVILIZATIONS
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In 671 BC Esarhaddon went to war against Pharaoh Taharqa of Egypt. Part of his army stayed behind to deal with rebellions in Tyre. The remainder went south to Rapihu, then crossed the Sinai, and entered Egypt. In the summer he took Memphis, and Taharqa fled to Upper Egypt. Esarhaddon now called himself "king of Egypt, Patros and Kush", and returned with rich booty from the cities of the delta; he erected a victory stele at this time, showing the son of Taharqa in bondage, Prince Ushankhuru. Almost as soon as the king left, Egypt rebelled against Assyrian rule.
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Mike, call me crazy but somehow I don't think Wally think the Persians were Black
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From the 18th-21st centuries researchers from Eurasia have looked for clever ways to transform a Saharan civilization into something foreign to its shores.
I suspect another tactic they've used is taking artifacts from the Hellenistic period and passing them off as representative of much earlier periods.
Perception is everything, and it all comes together in these vainglory attempts to Victorianize Ancient Egypt.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: In 671 BC Esarhaddon went to war against Pharaoh Taharqa of Egypt. Part of his army stayed behind to deal with rebellions in Tyre. The remainder went south to Rapihu, then crossed the Sinai, and entered Egypt. In the summer he took Memphis, and Taharqa fled to Upper Egypt. Esarhaddon now called himself "king of Egypt, Patros and Kush", and returned with rich booty from the cities of the delta; he erected a victory stele at this time, showing the son of Taharqa in bondage, Prince Ushankhuru. Almost as soon as the king left, Egypt rebelled against Assyrian rule.
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Mike, call me crazy but somehow I don't think Wally think the Persians were Black
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There were many black nation in Mesopotamia and Persia is one of them.
When you go to Kuzestan province of Iran today you will see aboriginal black Persians.
They are known as the people of Memnon, or the people of Nimrud...
Honey, try and educate yourself a lil bit before sounding off those thread-bare slogans..
Save us your embarrassment...
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quote:Originally posted by HERU: From the 18th-21st centuries researchers from Eurasia have looked for clever ways to transform a Saharan civilization into something foreign to its shores.
I suspect another tactic they've used is taking artifacts from the Hellenistic period and passing them off as representative of much earlier periods.
Perception is everything, and it all comes together in these vainglory attempts to Victorianize Ancient Egypt.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Some call it "White Boys" Dreaming.
Oh come on Mike. There's nobody dreaming but you and a few others.
None of that cheeky stuff from you simple girl. When I post, I post with proof. That's not dreaming, that's telling it like it is.
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quote:Originally posted by HERU: From the 18th-21st centuries researchers from Eurasia have looked for clever ways to transform a Saharan civilization into something foreign to its shores.
I suspect another tactic they've used is taking artifacts from the Hellenistic period and passing them off as representative of much earlier periods.
Perception is everything, and it all comes together in these vainglory attempts to Victorianize Ancient Egypt.
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: ^ Keep dreaming Mike. Wally is posting tomb paintings of Egyptian slaves and/or servants.
Ah, I sensed in another thread that in desperation you had taken on a persona identical to Lioness. Having found that you cannot argue logically with facts or artifacts, you have decided to annoy with asinine questions and statements.
This is definitely a defeat for White feminists everywhere. Just look at Jari and Gigantic, they have gotten their butts kicked just as badly as you have, and for longer. But like real troopers, they just keep plugging away. Yes, often they do get stupid too, but not like you and lioness. No question about it, Men are tougher - even Albino men.
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...first order is to mutilate and to desecrate an image that can't be hidden in the basement of a museum for 'reconstruction'... then with the ones that you can, you give them a new nose job However this pseudo-Nordic nose placed on Khafre in order to make him appear as "Hans" doesn't reconcile itself with the other images of Khafre... Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Spiralman: Khafra is a fraud? The Head of Amenhotep I must be a fraud too.
You know Spiralman, it never fails to amaze me, how busts of Africans always look so different from reliefs of Africans.
I mean, right off the bat, you can see that in the relief, Amenhotep I has lips, and on the bust he has none.
Same thing with Nefertiti, did you notice that too?
Wow, how weird, it's like the busts and the reliefs were done by different people at vastly different times.
How fortunate we are to know that the Albinos and Sand Niggers who have held and controlled these artifacts for hundreds of years, are above changing them in any way to accomplish racist or political ends.
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quote:Originally posted by Spiralman: Khafra is a fraud? The Head of Amenhotep I must be a fraud too.
You know Spiralman, it never fails to amaze me, how busts of Africans always look so different from reliefs of Africans.
I mean, right off the bat, you can see that in the relief, Amenhotep I has lips, and on the bust he has none.
Same thing with Nefertiti, did you notice that too?
Wow, how weird, it's like the busts and the reliefs were done by different people at vastly different times.
How fortunate we are to know that the Albinos and Sand Niggers who have held and controlled these artifacts for hundreds of years, are above changing them in any way to accomplish racist or political ends.
Why didn't they alter the features on the reliefs???
Why weren't they altered? The reliefs in museums are just as much as an artifact as the busts and sculptures.
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quote:Originally posted by Spiralman: Why didn't they alter the features on the reliefs???
Why weren't they altered? The reliefs in museums are just as much as an artifact as the busts and sculptures.
That's kind of a dumb question Spiralman. You don't need to be an artist to know that modifying a painting or a relief, is a lot harder than simply removing or adding material to a statue.
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He,he, that's a real tough one to explain, isn't it Spiralman?
But don't worry, lioness will be along soon. I'm sure she will have some totally off-the-wall explanation that will give us all a good laugh.
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You do understand, that if there is a hell, you Albinos, and your Sand Nigger Turks, will burn there for desecrating the works of the ancients. They left these things as a memorial to who THEY were, and what THEY had done. Not as props for you Albino people to create your lies-as-history.
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However this pseudo-Nordic nose placed on Khafre in order to make him appear as "Hans" doesn't reconcile itself with the other images of Khafre...[/b]
the above Khephren (Khafre) is the same sculpture as these two photos of same sculpture below, notice broken arm showing Wally is stupid
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Below is a different Khephren (Khafre) , different type of stone, with unbroken arm, body with shorter mid-section-stomach area
Wally stop being a dope both statues are 100% authentic
Illustration (photos) from Cheikh Anta Diop's book
same Ramses II as left photo above ,again below
Diop approved
Ramses
Wally, stop the nonsense you call whatever you like fake with no evidence. Different ancient Egyptian artists depicted the same Pharaoh in different ways. Deal with it. Some artists probably made the Pharaoh look like slightly more like they themselves the artist but still more like the Pharaoh or more like other Pharaohs.
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And HERE, he has a big BULBOUS Nose. It's hard to tell which is the most incompetent, you Albinos, or your Sand Niggers.[/b]
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Mike, you are the incompetent one, I'm not saying Amenhotep was black or white but the term "bulbous" is applied to a type of white people's noses as shown below in a "damn your stupid" example below:
Actor Karl Malden
Andy Rooney, CBS News
W.C. Fields
Mike, you are such a fool, you go on and on that white peoples are albinos with no other different physical traits just that they lost skin pigmentation and her you are talking about bulbous noses. That makes no logical sense. You try to promote this albinos theory yet your website is loaded with unpainted stone sculptures that you cherry pick because they have broader features. You are such a fraud
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^You Albinos are so frigging stupid that once you get into your fantasy projecting, logic and common sense are completely lost to you.
Earth to fantasizing Albinos: Amenhotep I was an Egyptian KING.
The people making his image in paintings, reliefs and statues knew EXACTLY what he looked like. To have created an image that didn't look like him would be cause for death - He was a deified god/king you friggin, make-believing ass-holes!
Therefore, there is absolutely no way that his image would have been rendered in these mutually exclusive ways. They're ALL DIFFERENT idiots!!!!
I know Albinos have wiring problems, but come-on, even you must be able to understand the stupidity of what you claim.
The people making his image in paintings, reliefs and statues knew EXACTLY what he looked like. To have created an image that didn't look like him would be cause for death - He was a deified god/king you friggin, make-believing ass-holes!
Therefore, there is absolutely no way that his image would have been rendered in these mutually exclusive ways. They're ALL DIFFERENT idiots!!!!
You know nothing about Egyptian art. To the ancient Egyptians making a strict likeness was not important in a lot of the statuary. If there are several different statues or reliefs of a person that doesn't mean a moron can then step in and arbitrarily say I like this one's features therefore it is authentic I don't like this other one's features therefore it is fake. Add to this the same sculpture photographed at different angles can look different, you dope.
Add to this, again, this whole questioning of the features is completely contradictory to your idiot albino theory, so why do you keep contradicting yourself?
You know nothing about Egyptian art. To the ancient Egyptians making a strict likeness was not important in a lot of the statuary. If there are several different statues or reliefs of a person that doesn't mean a moron can then step in and arbitrarily say I like this one's features therefore it is authentic I don't like this other one's features therefore it is fake. Add to this the same sculpture photographed at different angles can look different, you dope.
Lioness, You are an ES troll, and a stupid one at that. Rather than going into the stupidity of your claim: I would ask you to present statements from someone with a brain with similar thoughts.
And by way of explanation for other idiots like you. The reason that the statues all look different, is not because, as you stupidly claim - they didn't care - damn, just repeating it makes me cringe from it's stupidity.
Rather, the reason the statues all look different, is because they were all INDEPENDENTLY modified, by DIFFERENT people, at DIFFERENT times. With no regard for the ORIGINAL appearance of the king, because that didn't matter. What mattered was making him look as Albino as possible!
And as I said earlier, if there is a hell, you Albinos and Sand Nigger Turks should burn there for your desecration's of these ancient works.
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Rather, the reason the statues all look different, is because they were all INDEPENDENTLY modified, by DIFFERENT people, at DIFFERENT times. With no regard for the ORIGINAL appearance of the king, because that didn't matter. What mattered was making him look as Albino as possible!
You are a clown, Stupid ass according to your albino theory whites are melaninin less blacks, and whites are tropically adapted and have tropical features, so clown how can someone make the statues look "Albino" if Whites have the same damn features as blacks and are tropical like blacks.
In one breath whites and blacks have the same features in the same breath they don't.
Nothing but a clown, I know you understand Lioness' point and I know you see how blatantly you contradict yourself, but you are a fraud so I doubt you even care what bullsh@t spews out of your filthy mouth.
Shut the F#ck us already...
Dumb peice of rat ****.
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^Being a "Supposed" Christian, you know what's in store for you when you meet your maker because of these desecration's.
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With all the Hate, ignorance and violence you incite and advocate toward white people, Im sure you will be burning in hell along with me you sap sucking son of a bitch...
Im glad Lioness has exposed your contradictions, which is so typical of you.
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How does one explain the discrepancy in appearance. How do you go from representations that look like modern indigenous Egyptians to ones that look like modern French people of the same person?
One explaination comes to mind and that is these are deity representations. How many variations of Jesus is there in our society?
The most authentic representations of these Egpytian nobles would be in their tombs. The rest are far more likely to be made up images or simply fakes.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Interesting thread.
How does one explain the discrepancy in appearance. How do you go from representations that look like modern indigenous Egyptians to ones that look like modern French people of the same person?
One explaination comes to mind and that is these are deity representations. How many variations of Jesus is there in our society?
The most authentic representations of these Egpytian nobles would be in their tombs. The rest are far more likely to be made up images or simply fakes.
please post a photo of an artifact what you think looks like a modern French person, nit Nefertiti please,that's been done to death.
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You guys should not engage in a silly argument about which pieces are fake and which are real based on features or how much paint is left. You should all know better.Posts: 26252 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by the lyingass: Mike, you are the incompetent one, I'm not saying Amenhotep was black or white but the term "bulbous" is applied to a type of white people's noses as shown below in a "damn your stupid" example below:
Actor Karl Malden
Andy Rooney, CBS News
W.C. Fields
Mike, you are such a fool, you go on and on that white peoples are albinos with no other different physical traits just that they lost skin pigmentation and her you are talking about bulbous noses. That makes no logical sense. You try to promote this albinos theory yet your website is loaded with unpainted stone sculptures that you cherry pick because they have broader features. You are such a fraud
You can't be talking! You're the same person who argues the converse-- that because there are portraits of people with narrow noses then they must not be black then. Posts: 26252 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: You can't be talking! You're the same person who argues the converse-- that because there are portraits of people with narrow noses then they must not be black then. [/QB]
No I argue that in those case the race of the person in question is unknown. Might be this or might be that. People want to take sides
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You guys should not engage in a silly argument about which pieces are fake and which are real based on features or how much paint is left. You should all know better.
Your methodology is weak. Some paints fades but were you aware that a lot of brown pigments also darken over time? Who is to say that some paint pigments have not darkened over time? You can't just go look at some pictures posted over the internet and say a given painting has faded paint or given painting has darkened paint. If you see what appears to be variation in one color you can't always assume which of the variations is true. This type of thing has to be done by scientific analysis by art restorers using technical equipment and sample tests. You also have the settings of the camera and the lighting conditions in which the photo was taken as well as other variables. We can discus DNA because that type of thing has hard data that's published. But with these paintings we are dealing with no data as to their condition. You can't just come in and because you think you see some variation in a skin tone on internet posting. Please stop doing that. It has no scientific credibility and is akin to what the freestyle eccentrics do. Why would you even bother questioning skin tone? For example no one questions the fact that the Khosians some of whom are relatively light skinned originated in Africa. By you saying the paint's faded without data and proper analysis, it plays into the notion that if the given skin tone was in fact that light it would call the person's nativity to Africa into question even though that's not what you might intend.
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^ Unlike you my methodology is not based on artwork alone, we have evidence from anthropology as well as pristine Egyptian descendants in rural Egypt that all support the fact that the typical Egyptian color was dark brown. I know this irks you, but too bad.
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It is hilarious how clowns will trot out their fantasies about ancient Egyptian features and post up white Europeans as the closest matches. Whether or not the artwork is modified or not, the whole idea that the closest features are from people 1,000 miles away in Europe is laughable and those people have no relationship to the actual features found in Egypt now or 5,000 years ago. "European" features have always been foreign to Egypt.
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^ The mixture of African ancestry with recent Eurasian invader ancestry is obvious and remarked upon by many academic sources when it comes to inhabitants of the urban areas.
We all know how the more pristine folk of the rural areas look. Posts: 26252 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ The mixture of African ancestry with recent Eurasian invader ancestry is obvious and remarked upon by many academic sources when it comes to inhabitants of the urban areas.
We all know how the more pristine folk of the rural areas look.
The concept of "pristine folk" is like something Hitler would say
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The paint has not faded off but was intentionally washed off by the restorers who say it was dirty.
Thanks for this pre-restoration original. In the coming decades pre-restoration original AE art will become harder and harder to find. By next century only post-restoration doctored complexion artwork will be all that's available and the people citing them will not even know the paint job is not that of the AEs.
Now is the time to buy art books on AE published before 1963 and scan their pictures so to build a database of images as the AEs actually painted them not as Hawass and his teams of European and Egyptian painters with not a single black person among them are "restoring" them.
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quote:Originally posted by Spiralbrains: Nefertari
Must be a fake.
It's not, but it's obvious the paint is faded off.
Here are more portraits from her tomb where the paint is better preserved.
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