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"Caucasian" features can refer to many things such as long narrow noses which are found in Sub-Saharan Africans as well. You do realize that the very term "caucasian" as a scientific entity is debunked, right?! If not, then please give me a specific definition!
Don't play dumb with me boy. You see the pictures and the simlarities. And for your information the term is still in use. And not without good reason people hwo live in close proximity to each other and share many Characteristics often will tend to have some biological relation. Think Arabs and HOAs.
Really? What else? "They" [your source] is flawed to begin with, and I'd rather trust mainstream Egyptology for obvious reasons.
what you trust in is Afrocentric nonesense from people like Keita.
"Keita is an afrorcentric fraud who distorts evidence; he misquoted Strouhal as saying that 80% of all predynastic Badarian hair was Negroid in origin:
Strouhal (1971) also analyzed hair in his study of 117 Badari crania, in which he concluded that >80% were Negroid; most of these were interpreted as being hybrids. In some of the Badarian crania hair was preserved, thanks to good conditions in the desert sand. In the first series, according to the descriptions of the excavators, they were curly in 6 cases, wavy in 33 cases and straight in 10 cases. They were black in 16 samples, dark brown in 11, brown in 12, light brown in 1 and grey in 11 cases.
Not once in the original study by Strouhal does it ever indicate that 80% of the hair examined was Negroid in origin!
nowhere in this passage does it ever say that 80% of Badarian hair was Negroid, as Keita falsely claimed! "
Actually, Egyptology has shown that all these traits were found earliest in the western Sahara FIRST before the Delta itself, let alone the Levant.
Sources?
and that prior to Merimda the African Mushabeans migrated into Palestine to give rise to the Natufians hence, the similarities nitwit!
Seem like there is a bit of a contradiction here.
"Pleistocene connections between Africa and SouthWest Asia: an archaeological perspective.
“The Mushabians moved into the Sinai from the Nile Delta, bring North African lithic chipping techniques.”
“Thus the population overflow from Northeast Africa played a definite role in the establishment of the Natufian adaptation, which in turn led to the emergence of agriculture as a new subsistence system.”
By Dr. Ofer Bar-Yosef, 1987; The African Archaeological Review; Chapter 5, pg 29-38.
Seems strange that the Palestinian population would be so different.
LOL More spinning from you. First, it is a well known fact that predynastic settlements in the Delta are small and scanty compared to Upper Egypt to begin with, so of course the sample size is small! Second, there are sources that show the population in the Levant have cold adapted traits more similar to Europeans than to Africans. The study I presented verifies that the Delta folk ARE Africans, thus their tropical adapted traits. As for most studies you speak of showing differences between Lower and Upper Egyptians, those studies were on cranial features which are more plastic and don't give as good indication of latitudinal origins as skeletal bodies!! So what if Upper Egyptians are closer to Nubians? Lower Egyptians are closer to Asiatics, but that does not mean they are of Asiatic origins!!
Well now why would they be closer in resemblance to Asiatics if not from admixture?? What is there in Lower Egypt to cuase a change in phenotpye? Asiatics have always been in the area boy!
"Sun-dried mud bricks, a building material characteristic of Lower Mesopotamia, were first employed in Upper Egypt during this period. The use of a distinctly Mesopotamian device, the cylinder seal was introduced and traces of writing appeared. Their images bore a marked resemblance to those of the Land of the Twin Rivers. The pear-shaped stone mace-heads found in an earlier context in the Deltic Asiatic communities such as Merimde, replications of Mesopotamian models, appear in the south in the Gerzean period. The use of metal tools was non-existent in Upper Egypt until the latter part of the Gerzean period. A few metal pins and ornaments first appear which may well have been trade goods. Toward the end of the period a few crude, locally made copper tools do appear. The Copper-Stone Age had finally arrived.
During that same time period, the latter half of the fourth millennium before the Common Era, Mesopotamia had crossed into the Bronze Age. The peoples speaking related "Semitic" dialects were spreading out along the Fertile Crescent from the great cities along the crown of the Crescent. They moved south and east to absorb Sumer, situated strategically athwart the area where the Euphrates and the Tigris meld into the Arabian Gulf. Trade with the peoples of another great and early civilization in the Indus Valley of India reached significant proportions. Traders were likewise ranging westward and established karums, trading villages adjoining the cities of Anatolia. The flow of Asiatic traders down the Nile burgeoned. Along the way they paid tribute to the petty princes along the cliff-lined banks for the right of passage."
Well into dynastic times
"Meanwhile the second king of the Tenth Dynasty, Wahkare Achthoes III, managed to coexist with the Asiatics on the eastern Delta. Since Thebes was advancing in the south, with his ally Asyut he attacked them at This, capturing them "like a cloudburst;" but he regretted allowing his troops to plunder the sacred tombs. Later the Theban King Inyotef II came back and drove the Heracleopolitans out of the Thinite Nome. After this, peace lasted for several decades as Wahkare reigned nearly half a century.
Sesostris I wasted no time in returning to strengthen his rule, and he extended his territory even farther south in Nubia, where gold was being mined for Egypt. Sesostris continued to mine and build, including towering granite obelisks at the Re-Atum temple at Heliopolis used during his Sed festival. At Karnak the god Amen-Re was honored with large structures. Sesostris himself was regarded as a god, and once again the power of the kings increased. He ruled for thirty-five years after his father's death and brought in his own son, Amenemhet II, as co-regent for his last two years. Amenemhet II and Sesostris II increased Egyptian prosperity by reclaiming land for agriculture in the Faiyum depression with surplus Nile water. More Asiatics immigrated into Egypt to work as servants, and trade was established as far away as Crete and Babylon. http://www.san.beck.org/EC4-Egypt.html
Northern Egyptians were mixed!
Can please cite from your source what exactly is 'Eurasian' about the autosomes??
Obviously they are indentical to those found in Eurasia as opposed to Sub Saharan which they claimed increased in more recent times. Why don't you ask what is Exactly is sub Saharan about them?
Your source then goes into mitochondrial DNA; what lineages were those and what exactly makes them sub-Saharan as opposed to indigenous?? By the way, I can name the African autosomal traits in ancient Greeks like Benin HBS and African mitochondrial lineages like N1a. Can you provide me more details from your source?
First of all N1a is not African but Near Eastern and has it's highest frequency in Arabia. Benin HBS orginates in West Africa. I wonder excatly what historical migration would account this ending up in Greece??
About the study, I know that they found high frequencies of pre HV mtDNA which matched Syrian samples. These declined over time.
Actually the Egyptian with the afro was 18th dynasty king Amenhotep III the father of Akhenaten and grandfather of Tutankhamun. Like most Egyptians especially the elite his afro was likely a wig, which makes one wonder why Egyptians wore wigs in such obvious African hairstyles from afros to braids.
A wig? All he needed was a boom box and he would fit into any US inner city in the 1970's
Also it is a known fact that hair does not retain the same form after thousands of years post-mortem especially when affected by embalming chemicals like natron used in Egyptian mummification.
That's BS and you know it.
"To the Afrocentrists who are spamming this entry with outraged comments along the line of ‘you don’t understand African diversity’, ‘Malcolm X had red hair’, ‘some Africans have Caucasian hair,’ and ‘you’ve never been to Africa’…
The average black American is about 1/5 European, which explains why black Americans occasionally crop up with blue eyes and ginger hair (although Malcolm X only went reddish in summer, not a proper ginger).
The same goes for Caucasian textured hair in Africans. The anthropologists who’ve studied the hair came to the conclusions of mostly Caucasian (Fletcher) to almost half negroid (Eugene Strouhal called it sterotypically mulatto) of the Southern oldest samples, the Badarians. Afrocentrists please note, those Strouhal and Keita studies do not include Northern Egyptians in any way. That Strouhal study is badly misquoted from in the Keita study of Badarian crania: he claimed Strouhal observed the hair to be 80% negroid, but the Strouhal study itself says no such thing, and makes it quite clear that the Southern Egyptians were of mixed ancestry. The Keita study this quote is from even states that the North Egyptian crania are different to the Southern, a fact often ignored once the words ’80% negroid’ are spotted. Also, try reading the other Keita work properly, it places Caucasians all over North Africa from the Oranian paleolithic onwards.
Curiously, these hair studies match the current Egyptian population, nearly half negroid at the South, Caucasian to the North. Coincidence or what?"
Besides, wavy hair and aquiline noses are not unusual for east Africans in Sub-Sahara and even some West Africans for that matter. So are you suggesting those are "caucasian traits" again??
You know it.
There are indigenous Indians with straight noses, green eyes, and still black skinned. What's your point??
Really? Post a picture of one.
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The ongoing lies, by the clown above with multiple screen names, are awesome.
Nubia's Oldest House?
Some of the most important evidence of early man in Nubia was discovered recently by an expedition of the Royal Ontario Museum, Toronto, under the direction of Dr. Kryzstof Grzymski, on the east bank of the Nile, about 70 miles (116 km) south of Dongola, Sudan. During the early 1990's, this team discovered several sites containing hundreds of Paleolithic hand axes. At one site, however, the team identified an apparent stone tool workshop, where thousands of sandstone hand axes and flakes lay on the ground around a row of large stones set in a line, suggesting the remains of a shelter. This seems to be the earliest "habitation" site yet discovered in the Nile Valley and may be up to 70,000 years old.
What the Nubian environment was like throughout these distant times, we cannot know with certainty, but it must have changed many times. For many thousands of years it was probably far different than what it is today. Between about 50,000 to 25,000 years ago, the hand axe gradually disappeared and was replaced with numerous distinctive chipped stone industries that varied from region to region, suggesting the presence in Nubia of many different peoples or tribal groups dwelling in close proximity to each other. When we first encounter skeletal remains in Nubia, they are those of modern man: homo sapiens.
Nubia's Oldest Battle?
From about 25,000 to 8,000 years ago, the environment gradually evolved to its present state. From this phase several very early settlement sites have been identified at the Second Cataract, near the Egypt-Sudan border. These appear to have been used seasonally by people leading a semi-nomadic existence. The people hunted, fished, and ground wild grain. The first cemeteries also appear, suggesting that people may have been living at least partly sedentary lives. One cemetery site at Jebel Sahaba, near Wadi Halfa, Sudan, contained a number of bodies that had suffered violent deaths and were buried in a mass grave. This suggests that people, even 10,000 years ago, had begun to compete with each other for resources and were willing to kill each other to control them.
Busharia reveals the precocious appearance of pottery on the African continent around the 9th millennium B.C.
The site of Busharia is located near the desert, at the edge of the alluvial plain and near an old Nile channel. It reveals the remains of human occupation at the onset of the Holocene. The settlement is rather eroded, only a few artefacts, ostrich egg fragments and extremely old ceramic sherds remain. These sherds date to circa 8200 B.C. The ceramic assemblage is homogenous, which suggests the existence of a single occupation phase. The decorations and the use of the return technique, common in the central Sahara around the 6th millennium B.C., are unique in this Nubian context for such an early period.
Remains discovered on site suggest the existence of a semi-sedentary population living from hunting, fishing, and the gathering of wild plants. A trial trench and a small-scale excavation were conducted on this Mesolithic site; however, it is impossible to obtain at present a better understanding of the context related to the first ceramics in the region. As this site is located near cultivated zones, it is thus threatened with short-term destruction.
Three scale models—of the Mesolithic hut of el-Barga (7500 B.C.), the proto-urban agglomeration of the Pre-Kerma (3000 B.C.) and the ancient city of Kerma (2500-1500 B.C.)—give a glimpse of the world of the living. They show the evolution of settlements for each of the key periods in Nubian history. Huts indicate the birth of a sedentary way of life, the agglomeration confirms the settling of populations on a territory and the capital of the Kingdom of Kerma marks the culmination of the complexification of Nubian architecture with its ever more monumental constructions. The three models were created in Switzerland by Hugo Lienhard and were installed in the museum in January 2009.
Wadi el-Arab reveals an almost continuous series of settlement remains spanning two millennia as well as the first Neolithic burials known in Africa.
This site is located today in a desert region. Discovered in 2005, it has been under excavation since 2006. This is an open-air site occupied on several occasions during a period between 8300 and 6600 B.C. Its inhabitants then lived in a rather wooded environment, living on fishing, hunting and gathering.
The site reveals numerous flint tools and flakes, grinding stone fragments, ceramic sherds, ostrich eggshell beads, shells and mollusc remains, fish vertebrae and faunal remains. Rare domesticated ox bones were discovered and dated to circa 7000 B.C. This discovery is important for the question regarding the origin of animal domestication in Africa because it reinforces the idea of a local domestication of African oxen from aurochs living in the Nile Valley.
During the 2006-2007 campaign, six burial pits were excavated in three different areas. Dated to between 7000 and 6600, these burials are the first known Neolithic burials on the African continent.
The position of the Nazlet Khater specimen among prehistoric and modern African and Levantine populations.
"The morphometric affinities of the 33,000 year old skeleton from Nazlet Khater, Upper Egypt are examined using multivariate statistical procedures.
The results indicate a strong association between some of the sub-Saharan Middle Stone Age (MSA) specimens, and the Nazlet Khater mandible.
Furthermore, the results suggest that variability between African populations during the Neolithic and Protohistoric periods was more pronounced than the range of variability observed among recent African and Levantine populations."
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quote:Originally posted by malcontent7: Don't play dumb with me boy. You see the pictures and the similarities. And for your information the term is still in use. And not without good reason people who live in close proximity to each other and share many Characteristics often will tend to have some biological relation. Think Arabs and HOAs.
First off, I'm not a boy but a grown MAN. Second, I'm not playing dumb at all but on the contrary being smart. For something to be scientifically valid, it must have a proper and objective definition. You constantly speak of "caucasians" as a scientific entity, therefore it must have a valid definition. What qualifies one to be "caucasian"?? You're right about people living in close proximity share close genetic affinities but last time I checked Saudi Arabia is not that close to Europe unless you expect us to believe those Euro-looking Saudis are representative of indigenous Arabians! LOL
quote:What you trust in is Afrocentric nonsense from people like Keita.
Non-sequitor. I don't know what Keita, a bio-anthropologist has anything to do with my response to your source on Egyptian archaeology. In fact, I find it hilarious that you would cite of all things the biased Jewcentric source as Hebrewhistory.info on Egyptian archaeology when there is so much more accurate info from actual mainstream Egyptological sources! LOL As for Keita, how is he Afrocentric? Is it because he exposes Eurocentric biases and turns them on their heads? You do realize that Keita is hailed by his [predominantly white] peers for his objectivity and refuting Eurocentric academic bias that has plagued his field. Even his white mentor Larry Angels supports his work. Don't attack Keita because his work debunks your fraudulent claims.
quote:"Keita is an afrorcentric fraud who distorts evidence; he misquoted Strouhal as saying that 80% of all predynastic Badarian hair was Negroid in origin:
Strouhal (1971) also analyzed hair in his study of 117 Badari crania, in which he concluded that 80% were Negroid; most of these were interpreted as being hybrids. In some of the Badarian crania hair was preserved, thanks to good conditions in the desert sand. In the first series, according to the descriptions of the excavators, they were curly in 6 cases, wavy in 33 cases and straight in 10 cases. They were black in 16 samples, dark brown in 11, brown in 12, light brown in 1 and grey in 11 cases.
Not once in the original study by Strouhal does it ever indicate that 80% of the hair examined was Negroid in origin!
nowhere in this passage does it ever say that 80% of Badarian hair was Negroid, as Keita falsely claimed! "
What the hell are you talking about?! Since when did I mention Keita, let alone what said about Strouhal?? But if you insist on going there...
I don't know what Keita said about Strouhal's findings, but here is some more interesting info on Badarian hair by Strouhal.
The cross-section of a hair shaft is measured with an instrument called a trichometer. From this you can get measurements for the minimum and maximum diameter of a hair The minimum measurement is then divided by the maximum and then multiplied by a hundred. This produces an index. A survey of the scientific literature produces the following breakdown:
San, Southern African 55.00 Zulu, Southern African 55.00 Sub-Saharan Africa 60.00 Tasmanian (Black) 64.70 Australian (Black) 68.00 Western European 71.20 Asian Indian 73.00 Navajo American 77.00 Chinese 82.60
In the early 1970s, the Czech anthropologist Eugen Strouhal examined pre-dynastic Egyptian skulls at Cambridge University. He sent some samples of the hair to the Institute of Anthropology at Charles University, Prague, to be analyzed. The hair samples were described as varying in texture from "wavy" to "curly" and in colour from "light brown" to "black". Strouhal summarized the results of the analysis:
"The outline of the cross-sections of the hairs was flattened, with indices ranging from 35 to 65. These peculiarities also show the Negroid inference among the Badarians (pre-dynastic Egyptians)."
The term "Negroid influence" suggests intermixture, but as the table suggests this hair is more "Negroid" than the San and the Zulu samples, currently the most Negroid hair in existence!
In another study, hair samples from ten 18th-25th dynasty individuals produced an average index of 51! As far back as 1877, Dr. Pruner-Bey analyzed six ancient Egyptian hair samples. Their average index of 64.4 was similar to the Tasmanians who lie at the periphery of the African-haired populations.
A team of Italian anthropologists published their research in the Journal of Human Evolution in 1972 and 1980. They measured two samples consisting of 26 individuals from pre-dynastic, 12th dynasty and 18th dynasty mummies. They produced a mean index of 66.50.
The overall average of all four sets of ancient Egyptian hair samples was 60.02. Sounds familiar . . ., just check the table!
Since microscopic analysis shows ancient Egyptian hair to be completely African, why does the hair look Caucasoid? Research has given us the answers.
Hair is made of keratin protein. Keratin is composed of amino acid chains called polypeptides. In a hair, two such chains are called cross-chain polypeptides. These are held together by disulphide bonds. The bulk of the hair, the source of its strength and curl, is called the cortex. The hair shafts are made of a protective outer layer called the cuticle.
We are informed by Afro Hair - A Salon Book, that chemicals for bleaching, penning and straightening hair must reach the cortex to be effective. For hair to be permed or straightened the disulphide bonds in the cortex must be broken. The anthropologist Daniel Hardy writing in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, tells us that keratin is stable owing to disulphide bonds. However, when hair is exposed to harsh conditions it can lead to oxidation of protein molecules in the cortex, which leads to the alteration of hair texture, such as straightening.
Two British anthropologists, Brothwell and Spearman, have found evidence of cortex keratin oxidation in ancient Egyptian hair. They held that the mummification process was responsible, because of the strong alkaline substance used. This resulted in the yellowing and browning of hair as well as the straightening effect.
This means that visual appearance of the hair on mummies cannot disguise their racial affinities. The presence of blonde and brown hair on ancient Egyptian mummies has nothing to do with their racial identity and everything to do with mummification and the passage of time. As the studies have shown, when you put the evidence under a microscope the truth comes out. Anu M'bantu and Fari Supia (2001)
^^ LOL I guess the above is what Keita meant when Strouhal found Badarian hair to be 80% "negroid"; he was referring to the trichometric index!! That's one slap to your head!!
quote:"Actually, Egyptology has shown that all these traits were found earliest in the western Sahara FIRST before the Delta itself, let alone the Levant."
Sources?
Do you have A-D-D or something?! I just cited a source by Bruce Williams, an actual Egyptologist, who stated that the earliest known settlements in northern Egypt were barely in the delta but were located southwest of it, hence the earliest center of Lower Egyptian culture is the Faiyum A Culture! Even the Merimde culture your source spoke of was located in the western Delta. Here are a couple more sources:
“The initial movements westwards across the Sahara and, almost a millennium later, are likely to have been caused by the succession of drought episodes at 7600, 6800-6500, 6100, 5800, and 5500-5400 cal BC (8.6, 7.9-7.7, 7.26, 7, 6.6-6.5 kyr bp)…”-- Fekri Hassan, Droughts, Food, and Culture: Ecological Change and Food Security in Africa’s Prehistory
"..the early cultures of Merimde, the Fayum, Badari Naqada I and II are essentially African and early African social customs and religious beliefs were the root and foundation of the ancient Egyptian way of life." Shaw, Thurston (1976) Changes in African Archaeology in the Last Forty Years in African Studies since 1945
The African nature of Merimde culture is confirmed by archaeologists like Barbara E. Barich, whose work in the Sahara has revealed Merimda’s affinities like cylindrical axes and concave arrowheads to be Libyan while other features like burial of dead right in settlements to be Capsian (Tunisia), while positioning of the dead bodies to be Adrar Bous (Algeria).
The theory that Asiatics were present in the Delta was supposed based on Asian domesticates like plant and animals, but for the second time, these domesticates had fully Egyptian (African) names and the physical remains of the Delta people themselves are also African, as noted by Kemp in his remark on skeletal remains having tropical adapted features!
quote: “and that prior to Merimda the African Mushabeans migrated into Palestine to give rise to the Natufians hence, the similarities nitwit!”
Seem like there is a bit of a contradiction here.
"Pleistocene connections between Africa and SouthWest Asia: an archaeological perspective.
“The Mushabians moved into the Sinai from the Nile Delta, bring North African lithic chipping techniques.”
“Thus the population overflow from Northeast Africa played a definite role in the establishment of the Natufian adaptation, which in turn led to the emergence of agriculture as a new subsistence system.”
By Dr. Ofer Bar-Yosef, 1987; The African Archaeological Review; Chapter 5, pg 29-38.
Seems strange that the Palestinian population would be so different.
Nothing strange about it if you understood that the Natufians as a minority stood out from the general population of the region! This is why Yosef and other scholars noted their distinguishing features. Obviously these people were absorbed into the greater Asiatic population since their African lineages like PN2 still survive today among the populace which obviously are not generally speaking African or black in appearance!
quote:Well now why would they be closer in resemblance to Asiatics if not from admixture?? What is there in Lower Egypt to cause a change in phenotpye? Asiatics have always been in the area boy!
By “closer” I meant in a geographic sense, you nitwit!! The actual change in phenotype to closer resembling Asiatics did not happen until late dynastic times! This was shown by past anthropologists who’ve shown Lower Egyptians differ in cranial features from Upper Egyptians only slightly such as higher cranial index and lower nasal index with such features being found in Sub-Sahara. They still differed more radically with Asiatics. Even experts like Sonia Zakrzewski show those Lower Egyptian skulls in Howells data that match closely to Asiatics come from late dynastic times when foreigners overran the Delta! I even cited Barry Kemp who acknowledged that in bodily proportions Delta Egyptians were still identical to southern Egyptians NOT with Asiatics!
quote:"Sun-dried mud bricks, a building material characteristic of Lower Mesopotamia, were first employed in Upper Egypt during this period. The use of a distinctly Mesopotamian device, the cylinder seal was introduced and traces of writing appeared. Their images bore a marked resemblance to those of the Land of the Twin Rivers. The pear-shaped stone mace-heads found in an earlier context in the Deltic Asiatic communities such as Merimde, replications of Mesopotamian models, appear in the south in the Gerzean period. The use of metal tools was non-existent in Upper Egypt until the latter part of the Gerzean period. A few metal pins and ornaments first appear which may well have been trade goods. Toward the end of the period a few crude, locally made copper tools do appear. The Copper-Stone Age had finally arrived.
During that same time period, the latter half of the fourth millennium before the Common Era, Mesopotamia had crossed into the Bronze Age. The peoples speaking related "Semitic" dialects were spreading out along the Fertile Crescent from the great cities along the crown of the Crescent. They moved south and east to absorb Sumer, situated strategically athwart the area where the Euphrates and the Tigris meld into the Arabian Gulf. Trade with the peoples of another great and early civilization in the Indus Valley of India reached significant proportions. Traders were likewise ranging westward and established karums, trading villages adjoining the cities of Anatolia. The flow of Asiatic traders down the Nile burgeoned. Along the way they paid tribute to the petty princes along the cliff-lined banks for the right of passage."
Well into dynastic times
"Meanwhile the second king of the Tenth Dynasty, Wahkare Achthoes III, managed to coexist with the Asiatics on the eastern Delta. Since Thebes was advancing in the south, with his ally Asyut he attacked them at This, capturing them "like a cloudburst;" but he regretted allowing his troops to plunder the sacred tombs. Later the Theban King Inyotef II came back and drove the Heracleopolitans out of the Thinite Nome. After this, peace lasted for several decades as Wahkare reigned nearly half a century.
Sesostris I wasted no time in returning to strengthen his rule, and he extended his territory even farther south in Nubia, where gold was being mined for Egypt. Sesostris continued to mine and build, including towering granite obelisks at the Re-Atum temple at Heliopolis used during his Sed festival. At Karnak the god Amen-Re was honored with large structures. Sesostris himself was regarded as a god, and once again the power of the kings increased. He ruled for thirty-five years after his father's death and brought in his own son, Amenemhet II, as co-regent for his last two years. Amenemhet II and Sesostris II increased Egyptian prosperity by reclaiming land for agriculture in the Faiyum depression with surplus Nile water. More Asiatics immigrated into Egypt to work as servants, and trade was established as far away as Crete and Babylon. http://www.san.beck.org/EC4-Egypt.html
Northern Egyptians were mixed!
Are you serious?! Your source is Sanderson Beck, a spiritualist from California??!! LMAO No wonder the writings sounded suspect from the very start. For example, how was it “Mesopotamian” mudbrick suddenly appear in Upper Egypt first before Lower Egypt, despite the Egyptian mudbrick being of totally different material and style from that of Mesopotamia?? Yes, I see Mr. Beck is ‘liberal’ enough to identify the Egyptians as a mixed people but not the Greeks, even though we have more evidence of that in Greece! Oh boy, you are hilarious!
quote: “Can please cite from your source what exactly is 'Eurasian' about the autosomes??”
Obviously they are identical to those found in Eurasia as opposed to Sub Saharan which they claimed increased in more recent times. Why don't you ask what is Exactly is sub-Saharan about them?
I asked my question about BOTH, since previous studies claiming “Eurasian” genes end up debunk when such genes are found in high frequencies in North Africa as if North Africa is synonymous with Eurasia despite being part of Africa, meanwhile Sub-Saharan genes are segregated on its own even though “Sub-Sahara” is in the same continent as North Africa, namely AFRICA. For example HBS in the Mediterranean was once assumed to be of the Eurasian variety found in India, but analysis revealed it is of the Benin variety in so-called ‘Sub-Sahara’! That is why specifics are important so as to expose the okie-doke scam you and you ilk like to play.
quote:First of all N1a is not African but Near Eastern and has it's highest frequency in Arabia. Benin HBS orginates in West Africa. I wonder excatly what historical migration would account this ending up in Greece??
Your statement about N1a proves my point. It’s not even known where exactly mt N* originated either in East Africa during the first Out-Of-African expansion or slightly after in Arabia. Either way, N like M both derive from L3 which is certainly African. The fact that Arabia right next to Africa has the highest frequency of N1a along with East Africans having just as much diversity with upstream N1 hardly qualifies it as ‘Eurasian’. By the way, Benin HBS in Greece is dated to the Neolithic, around the same time as Y-chromosomal E-V13.
quote:About the study, I know that they found high frequencies of pre HV mtDNA which matched Syrian samples. These declined over time.
Yes, HV being carried by the first European so-called Cro-Magnon who still possessed tropical adapted features, while pre-HV meant actual time of Out-Of-African expansion itself. No surprise there.
quote:A wig? All he needed was a boom box and he would fit into any US inner city in the 1970's
Yes, well he IS black like all indigenous Egyptians who are African. Your silly observation aside.
quote:”Also it is a known fact that hair does not retain the same form after thousands of years post-mortem especially when affected by embalming chemicals like natron used in Egyptian mummification.”
That's BS and you know it.
"To the Afrocentrists who are spamming this entry with outraged comments along the line of ‘you don’t understand African diversity’, ‘Malcolm X had red hair’, ‘some Africans have Caucasian hair,’ and ‘you’ve never been to Africa’…
The average black American is about 1/5 European, which explains why black Americans occasionally crop up with blue eyes and ginger hair (although Malcolm X only went reddish in summer, not a proper ginger).
The same goes for Caucasian textured hair in Africans. The anthropologists who’ve studied the hair came to the conclusions of mostly Caucasian (Fletcher) to almost half negroid (Eugene Strouhal called it sterotypically mulatto) of the Southern oldest samples, the Badarians. Afrocentrists please note, those Strouhal and Keita studies do not include Northern Egyptians in any way. That Strouhal study is badly misquoted from in the Keita study of Badarian crania: he claimed Strouhal observed the hair to be 80% negroid, but the Strouhal study itself says no such thing, and makes it quite clear that the Southern Egyptians were of mixed ancestry. The Keita study this quote is from even states that the North Egyptian crania are different to the Southern, a fact often ignored once the words ’80% negroid’ are spotted. Also, try reading the other Keita work properly, it places Caucasians all over North Africa from the Oranian paleolithic onwards.
Curiously, these hair studies match the current Egyptian population, nearly half negroid at the South, Caucasian to the North. Coincidence or what?"
First off, Malcom X’s hair was dyed red in a hairstyle known as the conch! This process not only dyed his hair red but relaxed it, effectively damaging it in a painful process which he made known in his auto-biography. I just cited a source showing the alkaline effects of Egyptian embalming fluid, so enough said!
quote:“Besides, wavy hair and aquiline noses are not unusual for east Africans in Sub-Sahara and even some West Africans for that matter. So are you suggesting those are "caucasian traits" again??”
You know it.
Yes. I know it is b.s.!
quote: “There are indigenous Indians with straight noses, green eyes, and still black skinned. What's your point??”
Really? Post a picture of one.
How about several.
^ I guess these women are also “Caucasian” to you. There are Australian aborigines with blue eyes, so I guess they are “Caucasian” also! LOLPosts: 26412 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by GOMTUU: Melkior7 alias Garrit level 5 schizo who frequents the Topix forum an spews out his theories founded on nothing
Yes, we can see this. The boy is obviously a disingenuous liar at best and at worst a psychotic distortion junkie! I mean, look at the sources the fool cites in desperation to support his assertions! Instead of citing sources from actual Egyptologists, the fool first cites writings from a Jewish propaganda site and then a spirtualist!! LOL Don't think for a minute I take this boy seriously. He is as much a nutcase as he is a loser, like all trolls here at Egyptsearch. Posts: 26412 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Do you have A-D-D or something?! I just cited a source by Bruce Williams, an actual Egyptologist, who stated that the earliest known settlements in northern Egypt were barely in the delta but were located southwest of it, hence the earliest center of Lower Egyptian culture is the Faiyum A Culture! Even the Merimde culture your source spoke of was located in the western Delta.
Has anyone actually found Neolithic settlements in the eastern Delta? You'd think if there was a mass migration of Asiatics into Egypt around that time, they'd leave behind a lot of settlements in the east, but in all my research I've never encountered reports of such settlements. Unless that simply reflects a lack of archaeological interest in that region, it wouldn't bode too well for the mass Neolithic migration of Asiatics hypothesis.
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^^lol, good writeup, keep on schooling the fool. PS: what is the Barich citation you reference below:
"The African nature of Merimde culture is confirmed by archaeologists like Barbara E. Barich, whose work in the Sahara has revealed Merimda’s affinities like cylindrical axes and concave arrowheads to be Libyan while other features like burial of dead right in settlements to be Capsian (Tunisia), while positioning of the dead bodies to be Adrar Bous (Algeria). "
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^ I found the info from an article on Barich's findings in Libya. It could be from Archaeology and Environment in the Libyan Sahara. But she makes references to neolithic Lower Egyptian cultures in the Delta.
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: Has anyone actually found Neolithic settlements in the eastern Delta? You'd think if there was a mass migration of Asiatics into Egypt around that time, they'd leave behind a lot of settlements in the east, but in all my research I've never encountered reports of such settlements. Unless that simply reflects a lack of archaeological interest in that region, it wouldn't bode too well for the mass Neolithic migration of Asiatics hypothesis.
The main reason I get from Egyptology is that the Delta's mass silt deposits make archaeology difficult as well as the preservation of any artifacts from neolithic times. However, one would think this alleged influx of Asiatics would make it just south of the delta in the southeastern part of Lower Egypt, yet I have not heard of any such evidence of Asiatic settlements. But regardless, the only evidence we have of Asiatics are certain styled objects and domesticates which were either obtained through trade or adopted.
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I would not be surprised to hear of small groups of Asiatics whether as traders, mercenaries, slaves, or even herdsmen. Not surprising given Egyptian trade or military operations in nearby regions for centuries. A group of small-time Assyrian merchants for example, importing their wares on to some small landing point in the Delta would be nothing special, nor would small-time goat herders out of Palestine or Libya. It is the MASS influx of outsiders before the late stages of Egyptian civ that is dubious. In any event, the main driving forces that made fundamental Egyptian civ and population are from the south not the "Middle East."
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^ Correct. Nobody here is saying that there were no Asiatics present at all in the Delta. We are merely saying there is no evidence to suggest they were present in enough numbers to make any significant impact. Skeletal evidence so far shows the Delta dwellers as African. As for their domesticates both plant and animal being of Asian origin, the fact that no Asiatic terms are used to describe them or their uses meant they were merely adopted by the natives. By the way, I've read a couple of source suggesting the goat may have been introduced from further south in the eastern deserts first before reaching the Delta. As for the pig, it was suggested that wild pigs made their way into the delta on their own and were subsequently captured and farm-raised.
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What, no response from the Malcontent?? Perhaps he's too embarassed by his Sanderson Beck source. LOLPosts: 26412 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Pffft, all this aruging, it's obvious this is what the REAL Ancient Egyptians looked like!
Oh and can't forget about THIS!
I mean how could anyone refute this, it's PURE HARD EVIDENCE.
The resemblence is uncanny!
So knock it off you terrible AFROCENTRISTS and your RADICAL ideas! Sheesh, don't you know, Africans are a primitive form of mankind? How could they create any GREAT civilization? Just a bunch of wild bushman living in tiki huts and eating coconuts, dangling their colt 45's, just robbing everyone of their history, wallets and TV's!
They were a white and middle eastern nation! No blacks present except as SLAVES! Har, har, har, herp, derp!
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This person above you has obviously cracked a good joke, either that or she too is mentally deranged.
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What!? I never joke, I follow the creed of good ol' George Washington, I cannot tell a lie. Unless the opportunity presents itself for a roaring good jab to make myself and others laugh.;P
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^ I guess these women are also “Caucasian” to you. There are Australian aborigines with blue eyes, so I guess they are “Caucasian” also! LOL [/QB]
Dravidians are Caucasoid-Veddoid, you can find a minority with green or blue eyes because of their Caucasoid genes.
Your claim Australoids have blue eyes is wrong. None do, Australoids have the darkest eyes alongside the Negroid and Mongoloid. However they do have a minority tendency towards blondism.
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quote:Originally posted by LemonBalmParade: Pffft, all this aruging, it's obvious this is what the REAL Ancient Egyptians looked like!
Oh and can't forget about THIS!
I mean how could anyone refute this, it's PURE HARD EVIDENCE.
The resemblence is uncanny!
So knock it off you terrible AFROCENTRISTS and your RADICAL ideas! Sheesh, don't you know, Africans are a primitive form of mankind? How could they create any GREAT civilization? Just a bunch of wild bushman living in tiki huts and eating coconuts, dangling their colt 45's, just robbing everyone of their history, wallets and TV's!
They were a white and middle eastern nation! No blacks present except as SLAVES! Har, har, har, herp, derp!
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Originally posted by LEMONADEYOURFACE: Africans are a primitive form of mankind? How could they create any GREAT civilization? Just a bunch of wild bushman living in tiki huts and eating coconuts, dangling their colt 45's, just robbing everyone of their history, wallets and TV's! ANOTHER MEATHEADED idiot, is they are so primitive Africans I am sure they will stay clear out of the filth permeating in the so called civilized world,where people are dying like flies been giving technology that is at the present killing them. http://mideastposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Saudi-Men.jpg. uhnn sure white people getting a sun tan
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quote: The source is Cavalli-Sforza's book on the Pygmies entitled 'African pygmies' (Academic Press, 1986).
This work shows that Negroids mutated from an ancestral pygmy population around 9,000 BC in West Africa. So the 'true' Black African today is a recent mutation. Caucasoids and Mongoloids predate them. [Wink] Negroids only migrated into other parts of Africa during the Bantu expansion or slightly earlier. Prior to them, Caucasoids inhabited North Africa and Bushmen (Capoids) to the south who were displaced by the Caucasoids from the Mediterranean around 12,000 BC.
^^A bogus reference. Why should anyone take your word for it given past bogus references? Quote where Cavalli-Sforza says these so-called "negroids" "mutated" from Pygmies. The burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim.
While you scurry to cover your tracks with yet more bogus claims, Cavali Sforza, in his well known The History and Geography of Human Genes, 1994 Cavalli-Sforza summarizes his 1986 work on Pygmies and specifically debunks the "Pygmy as ancestor" theory held by other older writings. QUOTE:
"It remains difficult to pinpoint an ancient place of origin for the Negroid type which includes all West, Central and South Africans. Contrary to many earlier opinions, modern Pygmies and Khosians are not good candidates for a proto-African population."
--Cavalli Sforza et al, 1994. The history and geography of human genes. 194
SO much for your lying claims of "mutations" from "Pygymy" ancestors. In short, you lied about Cavalli-Sforza, creating a falsified claim and a bogus "supporting" reference to a claim that is nowhere supported in his work. You are once again exposed as yet another racist, who relies on bogus "evidence" to advance, dubious and debunked claims. You are not fooling anyone.
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The source i have already posted. I've given the book name, author and page numbers.
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quote:Originally posted by LemonBalmParade: Lol, I was messing around, it's called sarcasm. I'm simply mirroring the behaviours of the anti-African ding bats on this forum.
Don't take offense to my obvious troll posts toward the Euronuts.
There is no such thing as eurocentrism. Afronuts call anyone who doesn't believe in afrocentrism as eurocentric - when in actual fact eurocentrism is an 'ism' that never has existed in the sense of Afrocentrism.
You don't get white people trying to claim the whole world in ancient times was white. Afrocentrism however exists because blacks have low self esteem and self-hate so they try and steal the heritage and history of other races...
just take a look at the threads on this forum.
At the moment in the other thread we have afrocentrics claiming the Holy Roman Emperors were blacks, as well as the Indians, Chinese etc. Basically the afrocentric will obsess over any location or history but their own: sub-sahara africa. Blacks hate their own homeland and history so they try to steal others. White people don't, because we have a homeland, history and heritage - Europe.
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The source i have already posted. I've given the book name, author and page numbers.
^^Can't you stop lying? You're only digging yourself in deeper and I am preparing to set you up even more. See your own quote below. You say you provided page number, but it is nowhere to be seen below for Cavalli-Sforza. Liar. And why does Cavalii-Sforza himself debunk your claim re alleged Negro "mutations" from Pygmies? What's taking you so long in backing up your claim? COuld it be that you've been caught redhanded in another lie?
Go ahead and lie some more - let me set you up..
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: The source is Cavalli-Sforza's book on the Pygmies entitled 'African pygmies' (Academic Press, 1986).
This work shows that Negroids mutated from an ancestral pygmy population around 9,000 BC in West Africa. So the 'true' Black African today is a recent mutation. Caucasoids and Mongoloids predate them. [Wink] Negroids only migrated into other parts of Africa during the Bantu expansion or slightly earlier. Prior to them, Caucasoids inhabited North Africa and Bushmen (Capoids) to the south who were displaced by the Caucasoids from the Mediterranean around 12,000 BC.
^^A bogus reference. Why should anyone take your word for it given past bogus references? Quote where Cavalli-Sforza says these so-called "negroids" "mutated" from Pygmies. The burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim.
While you scurry to cover your tracks with yet more bogus claims, Cavali Sforza, in his well known The History and Geography of Human Genes, 1994 Cavalli-Sforza summarizes his 1986 work on Pygmies and specifically debunks the "Pygmy as ancestor" theory held by other older writings. QUOTE:
"It remains difficult to pinpoint an ancient place of origin for the Negroid type which includes all West, Central and South Africans. Contrary to many earlier opinions, modern Pygmies and Khosians are not good candidates for a proto-African population." --Cavalli Sforza et al, 1994. The history and geography of human genes. 194
SO much for your lying claims of "mutations" from "Pygymy" ancestors. In short, you lied about Cavalli-Sforza, creating a falsified claim and a bogus "supporting" reference to a claim that is nowhere supported in his work. You are once again exposed as yet another racist, who relies on bogus "evidence" to advance, dubious and debunked claims. You are not fooling anyone.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: There is no such thing as eurocentrism.
One example is the the spurious British Israelism movement as well as Nazism, Eugenics, the Christian Identity movement, the Ku Klux Klan, The Aryan Nations, White Nationalism, Wotanism and other movements
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^^^ This guy has the nerve to call Thomas Borophy a quack when his retareded beliefs have been debunked the world over, from his British Israelite B.S to his Caucasian ideology.
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^ And why you guys argue with such a blatant and idiotic liar is beyond me.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ And why you guys argue with such a blatant and idiotic liar is beyond me.
that's true but you also over use the term liar. When people make a legitmate argument and it is not what you agree with you call it lying.
For example
quote:Originally posted by 'assertides:
vanilla is better than chocolate
quote:Originally posted by Djhooptie:
that's a lie, stop lying
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Him jari-
This is a Strawman Fallacy as well as a Red Herring all wrapped in one.
quote:Originally posted by Djhooptie:
It's not a Strawman fallacy that's a lie, stop lying
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Great site. It is material like this which makes me sad we don't have the financing to make a series of films to teach authentic Black/African history.
quote:Originally posted by LemonBalmParade: Lol, I was messing around, it's called sarcasm. I'm simply mirroring the behaviours of the anti-African ding bats on this forum.
Don't take offense to my obvious troll posts toward the Euronuts.
I had that gut feeling, but it looked awkward. You did a good job after all.
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quote:Originally posted by the lyinass: that's true but you also over use the term liar. When people make a legitmate argument and it is not what you agree with you call it lying.
For example
quote:Originally posted by 'assertides:
vanilla is better than chocolate
quote:Originally posted by Djhooptie:
that's a lie, stop lying
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Him jari-
This is a Strawman Fallacy as well as a Red Herring all wrapped in one.
quote:Originally posted by Djhooptie:
It's not a Strawman fallacy that's a lie, stop lying
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Great site. It is material like this which makes me sad we don't have the financing to make a series of films to teach authentic Black/African history.
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quote:Originally posted by Djhooptie:
you're not sad stop lying, liar
Of course this entire posting of yours is one big ridiculous lie, but you know this you lyinass worm. Posts: 26412 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by assumptions prove assumptions: We know these negroes ( flat noses and big lips ) sub Sahara Africans are jealous of other peoples history. Sorry negroes YOU WERE NOT ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS!
Africa is not one race of people! Just like Indians in Asia doesn't mean they are related to Chinese people, idiots! GET A CLUE!
North Africa is very close to the Middle East and southern Europe and ancient Egyptian art and sculptures show Eurasian looking peoples in a majority of it. Some Nubians, negroes did immigrate to Egypt from south or brought as a slaves for a while, so don't bother posting pictures of them, since I've seen them already and don't deny it. But vast majority of ancient Egyptians show Eurasian rulers and peoples. NUBIANS in the south were NOT original Egyptians! STOP THE LIES!
Ethiopians, iretirians ( genetically not negroes their blood mixed with Arabs ) ruled for a short time by way of invasion, no different from Greeks ruling for a short time by way of invasion. But they're BOTH not TRUE, ORIGINAL Egyptians!
Eurasian peoples <-> Middle Easterners <-> are the TRUE, ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS!
Stop your jealous attempt to steal their history! STOP IT!
You Afronazi morons!
lol! please stop projecting. Don't forget the original Eurasiatics and Near Easterners except in the Levant were a lot more Negroid than the ancient Egyptians - dimwit.
No - you stop it! U seemed to have missed the fact the party's just begun for Negroes. lol!
Next thing you'll be telling us we're jealous of the white man's cornrows on the Olmecs.
BTW - No such thing as a Negro.
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please stop projecting. Don't forget the original Eurasiatics and Near Easterners except in the Levant were a lot more Negroid than the ancient Egyptians - dimwit. 
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