posted 31 March 2005 08:03 AM            

Elongated types are more adapted to hot dry climates....broad faced types to hot humid climates [Soy Keita]

This underscores the common root of PN2 clade Y chromosome as shown....

E3a --- SRV10831.1, M42, M94, M139, M168, P9, M145, M213, Yap, SRY4064, M96, P29, P2, DYS391p, M2, P1

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E3b --- SRV10831.1, M42, M94, M139, M168, P9, M145, M213, Yap, SRY4064, M96, P29, P2, DYS391p, M35

Note that PN2 Y chromome is highly distinct from European haplotype R1 [which is also present 17% along with other Eurasian Y chromosome in the Kabyle].

Thus, R1 is the signature haplogroup of the original European populations.

Note the degree of genetic difference between R1 and PN2 clades E3a and E3b

R1 --- SRV10831.1, M42, M94, M139, M168, P9, P14, M89, M213, M9, M45, M74, P27, 92R7, M207, UTY-1, M173.

Hence the absurdity of trying to invent a 'race' definition across two highly separated clades [polygenesis], and a simultaneous "racial" distinction between two haplotypes within the same clade and whose peoples by definition share common ancestry as well as common phenotypes.

Pre-historic whites of East Africa do not exist.

posted 31 March 2005 09:44 AM            

Just as the Lemba phenotype is similar to Zula, Xhosa and other South Africans....

just as the Kabyle phenotype is similar to other Europeans.....

so is the Somali phenotype similar to other elongated Africans, including those with little to no West Asian admixture, and Central African E3A Y chromosome as well as those with East African E3b.

Somali generally have extreme tropical adaptations in term of skeletal structure, which liken them to peoples such as the Masai, Tutsi, Shilluk, Fullani, Dinka, Oromo, Beja and many others.

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TopDog posts: .inhabitants of East Africa right on the equator have appreciably longer, narrower, and higher noses than people in the Congo at the same latitude. A former generation of anthropologists used to explain this paradox by invoking an invasion by an itinerant "white" population from the Mediterranean area, although this solution raised more problems than it solved since the East Africans in question include some of the blackest people in the world with characteristically wooly hair and a body build unique among the world's populations for its extreme linearity and height.

C. Loring Brace
Nonracial Approach Towards Human Diversity

Cited from The Concept of Race
Edited by Ashley Montagu
The Free Press
p. 135-136

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Somali Football team.

posted 31 March 2005 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Super car:
Continuation of re-addressing Evil is well and good, but come to think of it, his constant reference to discussion links, that embarrassingly show the straws onto which he hangs, is actually a good thing. It underlines the simple fact, that other than what has long been proven wrong, he has nothing new to offer.

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posted 31 March 2005 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by BigMix:

yeah but what is startling is that the majority believes what he believes.

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posted 31 March 2005 06:08 PM            

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...and what does the 'majority' supposedly believe?

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this is exactly the crux of Evil Euro and Horemheb's postings.

posted 31 March 2005 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Super car:
...and what does the 'majority' supposedly believe?

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If it is not authenticated by Eurocentric concensus, it is therefore invalid and not worthy to be taken seriously.

this is exactly the crux of Evil Euro and Horemheb's postings.

So funny that Afrocentrists become quacks, nuts, psuedo scholars, whereas the Eurocentric perspective on history despite all its errors and bigotry is considered scholarship.

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You are quite right about them, but they are not a majority. Even on Egyptsearch. Not only does no one take them seriously, they do not even take one another seriously.

posted 31 March 2005 06:55 PM            

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You are quite right about them, but they are not a majority. Even on Egyptsearch. Not only does no one take them seriously, they do not even take one another seriously.

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Now, there's something that is clear to me.

Just a few points:

• Evil has come here saying that southern Europeans are close being 100 % pure "race".

  Who in their right mind believes this crack?

• Evil says E3b isn't related to E3a.

  Which misguided bio-anthropologist has come to this conclusion?

• Evil says there was prehistoric "Whites" in East Africa.

  Which majority believes this, in this day and age?

• Evil's notion of the Horn of Africa being in North Africa.

  Who has gone far with some basic eduction, to come to such a conclusion?

• Evil's notion is that E3b is caucasoid, which infact arose in tropical Africa.

  Which majority sees the correlation between origins in "tropical Africa" and the "Caucasus mountains"?

  In fact the guy doesn't know what is "negroid" or "caucasoid", he instead lingers to antiquated studies that has no place in the 21st century science.
  

posted 01 April 2005 07:49 AM            

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The Tutsi are also Black Africans of the PN2 clade - E3A, and not E3b, and have no West Asian Haplotype, but still have a similar phenotype as other Nilotic and Cushitic East Africans who are PN2 E3b.

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The Tutsi are an interesting population whose "Hamitic" traits need to be investigated further. However, your example looks nothing like the unambiguously part-Caucasoid Somali I posted. Nor like any of these clearly hybrid Ethiopians:

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The Tutsi are an interesting population whose "Hamitic" traits need to be investigated further.

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Not likely, since "Hamite" has long been discredited and no longer exists as a racial, genetic or linguistic concept. See Pseudoscience relies heavily on anachronistic thinking.

posted 01 April 2005 10:54 AM            

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Originally posted by lamin:
While on the topic of East African football here's an Ethiopian football team:

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posted 01 April 2005 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:

The Tutsi are an interesting population whose "Hamitic" traits need to be investigated further.

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Basically an admission of not being able to speculate on the prevalent elongated features of a largely predominant E3a haplotype carrying group.

Similarly, speculation of broad features of some E3b carrying ethnic groups in the Sudanese region, will be interesting.

posted 01 April 2005 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by lamin:
And how about the national team of the Cameroon--West Central Africa:

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Lamin, the pics should have the extension .JPG not .IPG

posted 01 April 2005 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Keins:
See this is why you can't isolate a phenotype to certain genotypic alleles and clusters. These Lembas have higher number of "Jewish" genetic signatures than most Jewish populations around the world.

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That is false.

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however those who claims been the real Jews in the middleeast, i`m talking about the europians (whites) are not the real decendent of Jews. They came in 1948 to the middleeast and colonized the country by claiming been a jew. Now is the truth coming out who is a real decendent of jews, thanks to DNA.

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posted 02 April 2005 01:09 AM            

That being said, do you agree or disagree with this? >

"The geneticists found that the proportion of Lemba men carrying the genetic signature of Cohanim was about 10 percent, similar to the percentage found among Jewish men around the world and much higher than found in the general population. Moreover, the Cohen Modal Haplotype appeared in over 50% of one particular group of Lemba-the Buba clan."

posted 02 April 2005 07:54 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
Not likely, since "Hamite" has long been discredited and no longer exists as a racial, genetic or linguistic concept.

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I was just applying the terminology used by your favorite source, Hierneux. Take it up with him.

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Not sure what "mail order mulattas" have to do with the East African origins of E3b

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posted 02 April 2005 08:09 AM            

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I was just applying the terminology used by your favorite source, Hierneux.

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Apply common sense instead. You are distorting. It isn't working.

the oldest remains of Homo sapiens sapiens found in East Africa [resemble] several living populations of East

Africa, who are very dark skinned and differ greatly from Europeans in a number of body proportions. There is every

reason to believe that they are ancestral to the living 'Elongated East Africans'. They should not be considered

closely related to Europeans. [Jean Hiernaux, "The People of Africa"]

Or just go back to parroting Dienekes and checking mail order brides for "male" dna.

posted 02 April 2005 08:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
See, unlike that "Sicilian" you posted, their ethnic identity can actually be verified. It's 100% E3b-carrying.

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Indeed we see just how clueless you are. E3b is Y chromosome. Women do not carry Y chromosome. Another dead-end...EuroDisney

posted 02 April 2005 11:49 AM            

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"The geneticists found that the proportion of Lemba men carrying the genetic signature of Cohanim was about 10 percent, similar to the percentage found among Jewish men around the world and much higher than found in the general population. Moreover, the Cohen Modal Haplotype appeared in over 50% of one particular group of Lemba-the Buba clan."

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posted 02 April 2005 05:40 PM            

Exactly as I was thinking. The Filipina's name is Merry(?) yet she claims Ethiopian nationality and speaks Tagalog(?). Maybe she's a cast-off of some UN diplomat in ADDIS and wants desperately to get out. "Hopefully" some Westerner looking for a servant-concubine will come to the rescue.

posted 02 April 2005 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by YodaMedit2005:

Most of those women are from Heart of Asia website and are mixed.

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posted 02 April 2005 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by lamin:
To Yoda Medit.

Exactly as I was thinking. The Filipina's name is Merry(?) yet she claims Ethiopian nationality and speaks Tagalog(?).

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Tagalog is a Filipino dialect. I've said before Erroneous E is someone who is addicted to lies. His hope is to eventually trick or fool someone else and in doing so help to prop up his own waning belief in his own lies. He will be back to lie some more tomorrow. He has no choice.

posted 02 April 2005 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by lamin:
To BEN

But the Ashkenazis are reportedly of Khazar origin which is the Afghanistan-South Russia area. If what you claim is true then that hypothesis most likely explains it.

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The most recent (and likely) variation of this theory is that the Khazars had a significant genetic impact on certain groups of Ashkenazim. To be specific, the Levites.

posted 02 April 2005 10:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ben:
We already know the majority of Ashkenazim are paternally Middle Eastern, it's the maternal ancestry that's confusing.

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Thought Writes:

Much of the mtDNA seems to be linked with there migrations within Europe. What is of interest is that after being in Europe almost 2000 years Polish Jews still carry African mtDNA at frequencies near 5%.

Thought Posts:

http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Behar2004.pdf

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posted 02 April 2005 10:27 PM            

The Kazar region is Eastern Turkey and that is hardly Central Asia.

I am suspicious of the claim--I have to see and study the actual DNA "proof"---that the Ahskenazi are predominantly "Middle Eastern"(what would that mean 2,000 years ago--from the date of the supposed dispersal of the Jews) given the fanatical need to prove that kind of connection in the context of frenzied competing claims to the land that was seized in 1948. It should be noted that the geneticists who would want to research that area would be desperate to prove exactly that kind of connection. As is often the case in "science", data could be massaged until it fits the preconceived theory.

My suspicions are further reinforced by 2 facts: i)the Y claim rather than the MtDNA claim would mean that such migration if it ever took place was a single traveller phenomenon, and ii) if that were case it would mean that the migration was a trickle rather than a stream; and that would mean iii) that 2000 years hence there would be no Y trace since that relatively small group would have been fully absorbed by their host populations.

This claim is supported by the fact that Ashkenazis with their extremely pale and pallid complections and blended-in phenotypes are indistingushable from their Eastern European kinsmen. Hence the Nazi need to seek proof of Askenazi background by empirical proof of a particular nature.

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Thought Writes:

Much of the mtDNA seems to be linked with there migrations within Europe.

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posted 02 April 2005 11:05 PM            

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Personally, I detest the Khazar theory and find it completely absurd. The fact that it's the preferred argument for anti-Zionism among WNs and neo-Nazis doesn't turn me on either.

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Thought Writes:

Agreed. The Jews probably mixed with a number of different people during the soujourn in Europe. Their primary roots are in the Middle East given the genetic evidence.

posted 02 April 2005 11:29 PM            

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Originally posted by lamin:
To Ben

The Kazar region is Eastern Turkey and that is hardly Central Asia.

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I am suspicious of the claim--I have to see and study the actual DNA "proof"---that the Ahskenazi are predominantly "Middle Eastern"(what would that mean 2,000 years ago--from the date of the supposed dispersal of the Jews)

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given the fanatical need to prove that kind of connection in the context of frenzied competing claims to the land that was seized in 1948.

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It should be noted that the geneticists who would want to research that area would be desperate to prove exactly that kind of connection. As is often the case in "science", data could be massaged until it fits the preconceived theory.

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My suspicions are further reinforced by 2 facts: i)the Y claim rather than the MtDNA claim would mean that such migration if it ever took place was a single traveller phenomenon, and ii) if that were case it would mean that the migration was a trickle rather than a stream; and that would mean iii) that 2000 years hence there would be no Y trace since that relatively small group would have been fully absorbed by their host populations.

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What these results mean is simple. During the beginning of the Diaspora, there wern't many female Jews. As a result, European women were converted and absorbed into the Jewish population. Once the community was large enough, intermarriage was virtually discontinued. At that time in (medieval) Europe, it was illegal for Europeans to convert to Judaism. Not to mention, conversions were looked down on in the Jewish community. Thus, conversions were rare, and practically non-existant after a certain point.

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This claim is supported by the fact that Ashkenazis with their extremely pale and pallid complections and blended-in phenotypes are indistingushable from their Eastern European kinsmen.

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Further proof is linguistic: Yiddish has no structural connection to Hebrew and a migrating people with a written language would not have lost it so easily

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Posts:
www.khazaria.com

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posted 03 April 2005 12:41 PM            

1)Any objective linguist will define Yiddish as a Germanic language with loan words from other languages. Hebrew loan words have been appendaged over time on the grounds of religion. The same applies to African languages that contain loan words from Islam.

posted 03 April 2005 01:32 PM            

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2) All Europeans--including Askenazis-- derive their recent genetics from 2 places: i)West Central Asia, and ii) the Turkic-Levant area.

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posted 03 April 2005 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Thought2:
[b] Thought Writes:

Much of the mtDNA seems to be linked with there migrations within Europe. What is of interest is that after being in Europe almost 2000 years Polish Jews still carry African mtDNA at frequencies near 5%.

Thought Posts:

http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Behar2004.pdf

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Thought Posts:

The studies on both the mtDNA and Y-Chromosome of Ashkenazi Jews by Doron Behar and Micheal Hammer both reveal low levels of ‘L’ lineage mtDNA and E3a Y-Chromosomes. The relevance to Egyptology is that it disqualifies the assertion that ‘Sub-Saharan’ lineages made there way to the ‘Middle East’ with the ‘Trans-Saharan Slave Trade’. The Ashkenazi Jews migrated out of the Levant nearly 2000 years ago and yet they **STILL** carry these lineages in low frequencies. This suggests that the E3a and ‘L’ lineages of mtDNA found in NE Africa and the Levant predate the Islamic period in that region. It is consistent with the theory that these genes, still found in substantial frequencies in Upper Egypt date to the drying of the Sahara during the late Neolithic when populations spread in from the Western Desert and central Sahara.

posted 04 April 2005 07:24 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
Apply common sense instead. You are distorting. It isn't working.

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Hiernaux Exposed

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posted 04 April 2005 07:31 AM            

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But they have fathers, who pass racial traits on to them. Stupid negro.

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Hiernaux wasn"t exposed, you basically refute yourself.

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Topdog writes, Evile Euro, You basically refute yourself.

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Originally posted by YodaMedit2005:
Evil Euro is a dumbass. Most of those women are from Heart of Asia website and are mixed. One of them is half Filipino. That's why the website is called afilipina!
DUMBASS!
http://www.afilipinabride.com/member15/31567.html

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Thought Writes:

The trollers are in a corner. Let's use them at will.

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Don't get mad Erroneous "Euro", and don't give up! Just because you've been again exposed as a total fraud and a flamable fool is no reason to cash your chips in.

posted 04 April 2005 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
But they have fathers, who pass racial traits on to them. Stupid negro.

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Thought Writes:

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In that E3b1 originates in East Africa AND in that L2a is a lineage that spread to West and East Africa **prior** to the mutation date for E3b1 we have to assume that you agree that these same traits would have spread with E3b1 carrying males.

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You may have missed it, but it appears that Evil has moved the origins from what he calls North Africa (actually his reference to Horn of Africa) to Eurasia:

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Evil:

It confirms that E3b is a Eurasian (Caucasoid) marker, and not a Sub-Saharan (Negroid) marker. You call that a "Eurocentric approach". Everyone else calls it scientific fact.

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posted 04 April 2005 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Horemheb The 'professor':
troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll
troll troll .......that about sums up the reason I chose to come to a site dedicated to a ancient African culture

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posted 04 April 2005 02:23 PM            

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You may have missed it, but it appears that Evil has moved the origins from (Horn of Africa) to Eurasia.

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Erroneous Euro just got busted for trying to pawn off Asian mail order brides as original East Africans and "carriers" of male chromosome.

Even though he doesn't believe is own garbage, he's still an idiot for imagining that anyone else might.

I agree with Thought, we should continue to use Erroneous Euro for target practice. He is a perfect dunk tank clown who provides built in comic relief. And because he's a hate-filled racist, it's hard to feel sorry about his self-inflicted-humiliations.

posted 04 April 2005 05:57 PM            

HA HA HA!!!

Evil-Euro actually claimed that those girls from the heart of asia site are true Ethiopians!!!

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One of them is half Filipino. That's why the website is called afilipina!
DUMBASS

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