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BigMix Member Posts: 73 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 04 April 2005 07:26 PM quote: Originally posted by rasol: Erroneous Euro just got busted for trying to pawn off Asian mail order brides as original East Africans and "carriers" of male chromosome. scandalous, truly scandalous IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 05 April 2005 07:00 AM LOL. Erroneous E's stupidity knows no bounds. He gets his misinformation from Dienekes pseudo anthropology blog and then recites it like a mindless parrot, racist, flunky, stooge. Yet he can't understand why he continually gets destroyed in debates. As for his mail order brides, here's a whole 'tribe' of them, including Black Moroccans who according to "brainless EE", must therefore be .... ... pure "E3b carrying Berbers"..... http://www.afilipinabride.com What Erroneous Euro needs to do, is give up pseudo-anthropology and stalking mail order bride sites for fake racial theories - and just concentrate on actually getting 'a date' or something. As it stands, the kid can't play his own game. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 05 April 2005).] IP: Logged
Evil Euro Member Posts: 650 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 05 April 2005 07:29 AM quote: Originally posted by rasol: Erroneous Euro just got busted for trying to pawn off Asian mail order brides as original East Africans and "carriers" of male chromosome. Says the hypocritical slave boy who routinely and knowingly posts unidentified people as "Sicilians". All of the other women I posted are ethnic Ethiopians. I just checked. And they look the way they do because of their fathers' E3b. "On the basis of historical, linguistic, and genetic data, it has been suggested that the Ethiopian population has been strongly affected by Caucasoid migrations since Neolithic times. On the basis of autosomal polymorphic loci, it has been estimated that 60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation.... Our Ethiopian sample also lacks the sY81-G allele, which was associated with 86% and 69% of Senegalese and mixed-African YAP+ chromosomes, respectively. This suggests that male-mediated gene flow from Niger-Congo speakers to the Ethiopian population was probably very limited ... Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males. Conversely, the Niger-Congo contribution to the Ethiopian population occurred mainly through females." -- Passarino et al., Am J Hum Genet, 1998 IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 05 April 2005 08:44 AM Your Passarino pastiche is pointless.... quote: S. Mohammad writes: Still jumpimg back to that outdated by seven years Passarino study? Read Salas et tal study which is the most updated study on African mtDNA and you will see that Ethiopians have no ancestry from Niger/Congo speakers. That study is false, and tries to say language and genes correspond . Evil Euro is too stupid to see that all his data he uses as sources are either outdated or conflict with one another. Moron! E3b: Cruciani et al give an estimate of 24-27 thousand years ago for the date of the most recent common ancestor of all E3b's and named eastern Africa* as the probable place of origin.* The E3b1-gamma cluster is characterized by DYS19=11 and was seen only in East Africa. The highest frequencies of E3b1-delta were seen in Ethiopia and Somalia, and that area is assumed to be its place of origin. The authors believe that the delta cluster may have been involved in the FIRST DISPERSALS of E3b1's out of eastern Africa about 15 thousand years ago. The E3b1-delta cluster was introduced INTO Europe in a later expansion FROM either northern Africa or the Near East. That the Amhara of Ethiopia [35% West Asian J], unlike the Oromo, Borana and other Cushites have significant admixture is not in dispute, and has no bearing on the African origin of E3b. Fillipina mail order brides notwithstanding, anyone serious about knowing what Ethiopians look like can simply peruse.... An ACCURATE photo gallery of Ethiopians and East Africans. Including pn2-clade - E3b Black African Borana, Surma and the largest Ethiopian ethnic group....the Oromo who have little Eurasian admixture: ps - added some Nigerians too, for comparison. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 06 April 2005).] IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 05 April 2005 01:54 PM Genetics has merely affirmed..... quote: Cruciani et al give an estimate of 24-27 thousand years ago for the date of the most recent common ancestor of all E3b's and named eastern Africa* as the probable place of origin.* The E3b1-delta cluster was introduced INTO Europe* in a later expansion FROM either northern Africa or the Near East.* What anthropology has known all along..... quote: Lawrence Angel Journal of Human Evolutiom 1972 1, Pg 307 "Against this background of disease, movement and pedomorphic reduction of body size one can identify Negroid traits of nose and prognathism appearing in Natufian latest hunters (McCown, 1939) and in Anatolian and Macedonian first farmers, probably from Nubia.". IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 05 April 2005 09:57 PM Rightmire GP. Prehistoric human crania from Bromhead's Site, Willey's Kopje, Makalia Burial Site, Nakuru, and other localities in the Eastern Rift Valley of Kenya are reassessed using measurements and a multivariate statistical approach. Materials available for comparison include series of Bushman and Hottentot crania. South and East African Negroes, and Egyptians. Up to 34 cranial measurements taken on these series are utilized to construct three multiple discriminant frameworks, each of which can assign modern individuals to a correct group with considerable accuracy. When the prehistoric crania are classified with the help of these discriminants, results indicate that several of the skulls are best grouped with modern Negroes. This is especially clear in the case of individuals from Bromhead's Site, Willey's Kopje, and Nakuru, and the evidence hardly suggests post-Pleistocene domination of the Rift and surrounding territory by "Mediterranean Caucasoids", as has been claimed. Recent linguistic and archaeological findings are also reviewed, and these seem to support application of the term Nilotic Negro to the early Rift populations Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa, edited by J.O. Vogel Altamira Press, Walnut Creek, California. "Who were the Late Stone Age people living in eastern Africa before the arrival of early iron Age Bantu-speaking peoples? Early claims that Caucasoid peoples once lived in eastern Africa have been shown to be wrong. It has been demonstrated that the early eastern Africans of Late Stone Age times were Negroids who probably would have physically resembled peoples living in the southern Sudan at present." The genetic evidence on E3b is consistent with Vogel, and Rightmire, and Hiernaux and Keita on this matter. Original population of East Africa were Blacks. Whenever E3b is present, without Eurasian admixture the result is - a Black African. And it could hardly be otherwise since E3b is native to Black Africa as is it's PN-2 sister-haplotype E3a. This means that the bulk of Africa's population are specifically related to each other with a common ancestry that dates to a time when white populations were largely isolated in ICE AGE refuges in Europe [clade R1]. (Pa Underhill) The Eurocentrists who fight against the facts such as Dienekes and Erroneous E know the above to be true. Their war against truth is patently disingenuous. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 06 April 2005).] IP: Logged
multisphinx Member Posts: 350 Registered: Feb 2004	posted 05 April 2005 10:11 PM Someone plz smack disnyeuro over the head IP: Logged
Evil Euro Member Posts: 650 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 06 April 2005 07:48 AM quote: Originally posted by rasol: Still jumpimg back to that outdated by seven years Passarino study? If it hasn't been disproven by later work, then it's not outdated. You just don't like its implications. Seven years wasn't that long ago, and those findings have been duplicated many times since. quote: "Against this background of disease, movement and pedomorphic reduction of body size one can identify Negroid traits of nose and prognathism appearing in Natufian latest hunters (McCown, 1939) and in Anatolian and Macedonian first farmers, probably from Nubia.". If you really believed that passage helped your case, you wouldn't need to distort it by capitalizing "negroid". Poor, desperate, dishonest, drowning Afronut. Neolithic farmers were fully Caucasoid Modern Greeks are fully Caucasoid IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 06 April 2005 07:59 AM quote: Neolithic farmers were fully Caucasoid "Angel also found evidence for a "black" (if such exists) genetic influence in neolithic and later Aegean populations. Racialists models, which imply non-overlapping gene pools, are clearly negated by Angel's work." - DR. SOY Keita quote: Modern Greeks are fully Caucasoid - Greeks share an important part of their genetic pool with sub-Saharan Africans (Ethiopians and west Africans) also supported by Chr 7 Markers. The gene flow from Black Africa to Greece may have occurred in Pharaonic times or when Saharan people emigrated after the present hyperarid conditions were established (5000 years B.C.). Tissue Antigens. 2002 Aug;60(2):111-21. caucasoid - Anthropology adj. Of or relating to racial classification, no longer in scientific use. The American Heritage� Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 06 April 2005).] IP: Logged
Evil Euro Member Posts: 650 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 07 April 2005 07:42 AM quote: Originally posted by rasol: "Angel also found evidence for a "black" (if such exists) genetic influence in neolithic and later Aegean populations. Racialists models, which imply non-overlapping gene pools, are clearly negated by Angel's work." - DR. SOY Keita We don't need Keita's biased ramblings about what he thinks Angel "found" when we have the actual findings written in Angel's own words: "Although the first agricultural inhabitants of the belt from Syria-Israel-Jordan to North Africa were mainly rugged Mediterranean (A3 and some B, in varying preponderance) the eastern end of this belt (McGown, 1939; Vallois, 1936), shows some almost Bushmen-like Basic White (A4b) as well as lateral traits (E1 and C4 [Mixed Alpine and Alpine]) as at Jericho." -- J. Lawrence Angel, The People of Lerna: Analysis of a Prehistoric Aegean Population. American School of Classical Studies, Athens, 1971 quote: Greeks share an important part of their genetic pool with sub-Saharan Africans (Ethiopians and west Africans) also supported by Chr 7 Markers. The gene flow from Black Africa to Greece may have occurred in Pharaonic times or when Saharan people emigrated after the present hyperarid conditions were established (5000 years B.C.). Tissue Antigens. 2002 Aug;60(2):111-21. You're a joke. IP: Logged
Horemheb Member Posts: 2076 Registered: Jan 2004	posted 07 April 2005 07:44 AM Evil, Just more of rasols demented comments. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 07 April 2005 09:00 AM Of course Angel and Keita agree: quote: Supercare writes: He resorts to Larry Angel's use of the term "Bushman like Basic-Whites", a term in itself that makes no sense, however he fails to see the context of Mr. Angel's study: J. L. Angel, The People of Lerna, p. 101: "Although the first agricultural inhabitants of the belt from Syria-Israel-Jordan to North Africa were mainly rugged Mediterranean (A3 and some B, in varying preponderance) the eastern end of this belt (McGown, 1939; Vallois, 1936), shows some almost Bushmen-like Basic White (A4b) as well as lateral traits (E1 and C4 [DP: Mixed Alpine and Alpine] as at Jericho." Hence the first agriculturalists were mainly Mediterranean and Basic White with some Alpine and some "Bushmen-like" [DP: Khoisan] Basic Whites only in the eastern part." But then... J. Lawrence Angel Journal of Human Evolutiom 1972 1, Pg 307 "Against this background of disease, movement and pedomorphic reduction of body size one can identify Negroid traits of nose and prognathism appearing in Natufian latest hunters (McCown, 1939) and in Anatolian and Macedonian first farmers, probably from Nubia via the unknown predecesors of the Badarians and Tasians....". [quote]Elsewhere Thought wrote: He [Angel] is very clear about why they have these traits: "probably from Nubia via the unknown predecesors of the Badarians...." SOY Keita Arethusa 26 (1993) pg 329: "I was a student of Larry Angel and am in some postion to comment on his views, which I know from conversation, the literature and personal correspondnce." "Angel also found evidence for a "black" (if such exists) genetic influence in neolithic and later Aegean populations. Racialists models, which imply non-overlapping gene pools, are clearly negated by Angel's work." [/QUOTE] [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 07 April 2005).] IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 07 April 2005 09:02 AM Still no answers Disney? Hit too close to home did we? That's too bad. Oh well, better luck, next troll. IP: Logged
Horemheb Member Posts: 2076 Registered: Jan 2004	posted 07 April 2005 09:04 AM more objective scholarship from rasol.......................dismissed. IP: Logged
YodaMedit2005 Junior Member Posts: 3 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 07 April 2005 09:07 AM quote: originally posted by Evil Euro: you wouldn't need to distort it by capitalizing "negroid" [This message has been edited by YodaMedit2005 (edited 07 April 2005).] IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 07 April 2005 09:16 AM quote: Originally posted by Horemheb: dismissed. Pseudo science displays an indifference to facts. IP: Logged
Djehuti Member Posts: 1399 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 07 April 2005 01:15 PM Evil-Euro says: quote: Moors were a blend of indigenous North Africans and Arab invaders,... It depends on what you mean by 'indigenous' North Africans. Before the arrival of the Arabs, the peoples indigenous to the Magrheb(Northwest Africa) were peoples speaking Berber languages. The main problem is that too many people have this generalization that all Berbers are white or caucasian, when in fact there are plenty of black Berbers as well and it is these black Berbers who were the original inhabitants of North Africa! Still, when many people think of Berbers, they usually think of people like the Shuwiya, Kabyle, and Riffi, who are caucasian. Despite Evil-Euro's outrageous claims, there is no doubt that blacks were the aboriginal people of North Africa as they are with all of Africa. The white Berbers probably first appeared on Africa during the late period of ancient times during the Iron Age. The earliest historical references to white Berbers come from the Egyptian New Kingdom, where they were called 'Tamhu' by the Egyptians and depicted on tomb paintings clearly as European looking. It's obvious that such peoples did not orginate from the African continent but from elsewhere as folks on this forum have shown in the thread about the Kabyle, these people originated from Europe, most likely the Iberian Peninsula. And although I don't have it right now, one source I read says certain blood groupings ties them to the Basque people of Spain. The term 'Moor' is quite vague since its official meaning now seems to be any Muslim of the Maghreb, but what many people don�t know is that the Moors themselves distinguish themselves into two main groups: White Moors and Black Moors. The Black Moors are also known as Haratin and recent genetic studies show that these peoples may have lived in the region long before the Berber language spread there. There are other black Berbers like the Sanhaja, the Tuareg, the people of Jebel in Tunisia, and the peoples of Siwa Oasis in northwest Egypt! Anyway most of the so-called white Berbers looked pretty mixed with black anyway, which is not surprising!! IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 07 April 2005 06:29 PM moved, pls. delete [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 07 April 2005).] IP: Logged
Keins Member Posts: 126 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 08 April 2005 01:09 AM quote: Originally posted by Horemheb: Evil, Just more of rasols demented comments. Horemheb you're clueless! You have no idea what you are agreeing with, NONE! Atlease Evil Euro have selectively read a few works of others. YOu on the other hand have ZERO clue....You'e pitiful and pathetic! IP: Logged
Evil Euro Member Posts: 650 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 08 April 2005 07:39 AM quote: Originally posted by rasol: Of course Angel and Keita agree: [...] "Bushmen-like" [DP: Khoisan] Basic Whites only in the eastern part. Angel on Basic Whites: "The Basic White type A1 for example, is close to the British Atlanto-Mediterranean of Deniker and others, and it is longer-faced, more linear throughout than A3. Type A2 is a smaller version of the Upper Paleolithic norm and is broader-based and more rugged than A3, the Central Basic White, which approximates the Eurafrican of the literature and is a smaller version of Cro-Magnon. A4, a squat-faced and low-headed version of A3, being more Eastern than African; and A5 is a taller, more massive version." Type A3 of "the belt from Syria-Israel-Jordan to North Africa": Type A4 of "the eastern end of this belt": "Black" Neolithics don't exist. They're Keita's fantasy, not Angel's reality. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 08 April 2005 08:16 AM Deniekes Attica prison photos meant to represent Negroid from Nubia is almost as silly as your previous mail order bride fiasco. Angel on Macedonian first farmers..... Negroid traits of nose and prognathism appearing in Natufian latest hunters (McCown, 1939) and in Anatolian and Macedonian first farmers, probably FROM NUBIA via the predessors of the Badarians... Sir Alan Gardiner, on pre-dynastic Badarians, Amratians, and Gerzeans: "These... were long-headed-dolicocephalic is the learned term-and below even medium stature, but Negroid features are often to be observed. Whatever may be said of the northerners, it is safe to describe the dwellers in Upper Egypt as of essentially African stock, a character always retained despite alien influences brought to bear on them from time to time." [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 09 April 2005).] IP: Logged
Evil Euro Member Posts: 650 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 09 April 2005 07:22 AM quote: Originally posted by rasol: Deniekes Attica prison photos They're not Dienekes' photos, you ignorant monkey. They're from Angel's book. He uses them to illustrate the different Caucasoid morphological types. Plates "x" and "u" correspond to the two Neolithic Basic White types "A3" and "A4". Deal with it. quote: Negroid traits of nose and prognathism appearing in Natufian latest hunters (McCown, 1939) and in Anatolian and Macedonian first farmers, probably FROM NUBIA via the predessors of the Badarians... You're running out of breath, negro . . . IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 09 April 2005 09:16 AM ...from laughing so hard at you. You've gone from irrelevant pictures of mail order brides, to equally irrelevant pics. of your 'male' prison playmates. You can't even troll properly. What a fool you are. IP: Logged
Evil Euro Member Posts: 650 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 10 April 2005 08:29 AM Plates "x" and "u" correspond to the two Neolithic Basic White types "A3" and "A4". Deal with it. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 10 April 2005 08:39 AM Larry Angel..... quote: "Negroid traits....from Nubia.". Cruciani..... quote: Eastern Africa as the probable place of E3b introduced INTO Europe in a later expansion FROM either northern Africa or the Near East. Erroneous E: [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 11 April 2005).] IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 185 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 10 April 2005 12:16 PM quote: Originally posted by rasol: LOL. Erroneous E's stupidity knows no bounds. He gets his misinformation from Dienekes pseudo anthropology blog and then recites it like a mindless parrot, racist, flunky, stooge. Yet he can't understand why he continually gets destroyed in debates. As for his mail order brides, here's a whole 'tribe' of them, including Black Moroccans who according to "brainless EE", must therefore be .... ... pure "E3b carrying Berbers"..... http://www.afilipinabride.com What Erroneous Euro needs to do, is give up pseudo-anthropology and stalking mail order bride sites for fake racial theories - and just concentrate on actually getting 'a date' or something. As it stands, the kid can't play his own game. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 05 April 2005).] She look like black american girl. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 10 April 2005 12:22 PM Exactly. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 185 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 10 April 2005 12:26 PM quote: Originally posted by Evil Euro: If you really believed that passage helped your case, you wouldn't need to distort it by capitalizing "negroid". Poor, desperate, dishonest, drowning Afronut. [b]Neolithic farmers were fully Caucasoid Modern Greeks are fully Caucasoid[/B] Are you stupid or an idiot, the caucasoid came later, they didn`t exist back then. But other tribes came way before the caucasoid. You think your people would servive on the dessert? Try it out and than we talk. How idiot are you? Your kind wouldn`t servive on the dessert. Why don`t you try to find out what part of Cave you come from? IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 185 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 10 April 2005 12:30 PM quote: Originally posted by Evil Euro: If you really believed that passage helped your case, you wouldn't need to distort it by capitalizing "negroid". Poor, desperate, dishonest, drowning Afronut. [b]Neolithic farmers were fully Caucasoid Modern Greeks are fully Caucasoid[/B] You are wrong, even today Greeks don`t call them selves white. The Greeks call them selves Southern (in german Suedlaendisch.) Have you been in Greek? the answer is no, but did you get it from your media????? IP: Logged
Evil Euro Member Posts: 650 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 11 April 2005 08:37 AM quote: Originally posted by dahlak: But other tribes came way before the caucasoid. You think your people would servive on the dessert? Of course Caucasoids can survive in the desert. In fact, they adapt to it by tanning: "Skin color should always be taken on some unexposed part of the body. Among Middle Easterners this is simple, because they cover as much of the body as is consistent with their work. The exposed skin color may be a dark brown, while the skin of the underarm is ten shades lighter. (The sun shines brightly in the Middle East.) While fair-skinned people are to be seen, they live chiefly in shaded bazaars and government offices, whence they rarely emerge into the dazzling light of day." -- Carleton Coon, Caravan: The Story of the Middle East quote: You are wrong, even today Greeks don`t call them selves white. Greeks don't need to call themselves 'white' precisely because Greece is uniformly Caucasoid. The only Europeans who use racial labels are those whose countries have large nonwhite immigrant populations that have to be differentiated. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 185 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 11 April 2005 09:20 AM quote: Originally posted by Evil Euro: Greeks don't need to call themselves 'white' precisely because Greece is uniformly Caucasoid. The only Europeans who use racial labels are those whose countries have large nonwhite immigrant populations that have to be differentiated. Do you know the different between tanning and hot dessert????? I don`t think so and for your information have you ever been in Greek???? The Greeks have even brown skin people.Most of you white americans don`t know about the world. First go to Greek and find out the truth and than make your comment. You been argue with the other guys on this web site and all of your topic are lies like your kind, you make your comment without education. You talk like a child (non sence), a child is smart than you. Like i said before, your kind came last on this world. How dare are you try to claim the first people in africa were white, you are moran, back then your kind didn`t exist and even today the Greeks, Italians, Turks don`t call them selves white. Do you anderstand??? They call them selves SOUTHERN (in GERMAN SUEDLAENDISCH) that mean BROWN SKIN PEOPLE. IP: Logged
Horemheb Member Posts: 2076 Registered: Jan 2004	posted 11 April 2005 09:22 AM We have many Greeks in the United states, they are white, some even blonde. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 185 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 11 April 2005 12:41 PM quote: Originally posted by Horemheb: We have many Greeks in the United states, they are white, some even blonde. I don`t care about the Greeks from USA, In my knowledge i`m talking about the real Greeks from Greek and i`m not talking about all Greeks, but most of them call them selves as SOUTHNER (SUEDLAENDISCH). So are you from Greek??????? No. So have you ever been in Greek?????? No I don`t want to argue with you and Evel Euro, because you guys don`t have the knowledge like most of brain washed Americans. IP: Logged
Horemheb Member Posts: 2076 Registered: Jan 2004	posted 11 April 2005 12:44 PM Dahlak sorry you don't like American, what sewer do you live in? IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 185 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 11 April 2005 01:13 PM quote: Originally posted by Horemheb: Dahlak sorry you don't like American, what sewer do you live in? I didn`t say, i don`t like americans. I try to explain to you guys, but you have your own mind like most of americans, but not all. Most of white americans don`t know about the other world or world history. They believe what they see on the media. Why you give a comment without the knowledge????? Some of them don`t even know where egypt is??? They think egypt is in middle east. The other thing is only hier in America started calling Middle east and try to separet North africa from Africa. Hier is a raciest country i ever seen. Only thing that saddens me is the fact that Caucasians created a world of confussion benefit themselves. IP: Logged
Horemheb Member Posts: 2076 Registered: Jan 2004	posted 11 April 2005 01:16 PM Egypt is in the middle east. I'm sure President Mubarak would tell you that. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 185 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 11 April 2005 01:33 PM quote: Originally posted by Horemheb: Egypt is in the middle east. I'm sure President Mubarak would tell you that. You are moran and idiot. You have no knowledge, even a child have more knowledge than you. How old are you????????? We Arabs can not stand ignorant people like you or your kind. Bess IP: Logged
Horemheb Member Posts: 2076 Registered: Jan 2004	posted 11 April 2005 01:39 PM Dahlak..the fact that some of you don't like us is beside the point. Guess you'll just have to get over it. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 185 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 11 April 2005 02:00 PM quote: Originally posted by Horemheb: Dahlak..the fact that some of you don't like us is beside the point. Guess you'll just have to get over it. What do you mean, some of you???? most of us can not stand ignorant people of no knowledge like you and your kind. I should know more than you about my people. IP: Logged
Horemheb Member Posts: 2076 Registered: Jan 2004	posted 11 April 2005 02:09 PM Dahlak...If 'my kind' are so dumb why are we in the middle east cleaning up the mess you guys make. Looks like we are running the show over there ...can't be too dumb . IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 185 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 11 April 2005 02:14 PM quote: Originally posted by Horemheb: Dahlak...If 'my kind' are so dumb why are we in the middle east cleaning up the mess you guys make. Looks like we are running the show over there ...can't be too dumb . No body ask you to clean up, you came there on your own benefit, not because of the people. You are known as colonial and barbaric, so and of disscussion. IP: Logged
BigMix Member Posts: 73 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 11 April 2005 02:18 PM c'mon Horem, you know that Bush went in there for oil and not to help those people. I heard Wolfowitz wrote extensively on the Economics of Oil and the need to break the OPEC cartel. I have even heard that some intelligence analysts wanted the U.S to abandon the House of Saud because of tribes of Eastern Saudi arabia as well as the terrorists seem to be threatening the stability of the Saudi Arabian government. One thing I've learnt is that in Politics, leaders have to make some pretty hard decision that are unethical, selfish and grossly immoral for the benefits of their country. Let's face it, Iraq wasn't about being concerned for WMDS etc. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 185 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 11 April 2005 02:21 PM quote: Originally posted by BigMix: c'mon Horem, you know that Bush went in there for oil and not to help those people. I heard Wolfowitz wrote extensively on the Economics of Oil and the need to break the OPEC cartel. I have even heard that some intelligence analysts wanted the U.S to abandon the House of Saud because of tribes of Eastern Saudi arabia as well as the terrorists seem to be threatening the stability of the Saudi Arabian government. One thing I've learnt is that in Politics, leaders have to make some pretty hard decision that are unethical, selfish and grossly immoral for the benefits of their country. Let's face it, Iraq wasn't about being concerned for WMDS etc. GOOD POINT, THANKS IP: Logged
Roy_2k5 Member Posts: 212 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 11 April 2005 05:43 PM Lets not forget that the 'Evil Eye' superstition is still pravelent around Greece, Turkey, etc. The only people in the world that adore whites are the elite population in the East. Sadly there are some cases of white adoration in South Asia, but it is certainly not very significant since the population is mainly rural. However, most of the non-Democratic states in the East do not care about Whites or Americans at all. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 185 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 11 April 2005 08:42 PM quote: Originally posted by Roy_2k5: Lets not forget that the 'Evil Eye' superstition is still pravelent around Greece, Turkey, etc. The only people in the world that adore whites are the elite population in the East. Sadly there are some cases of white adoration in South Asia, but it is certainly not very significant since the population is mainly rural. However, most of the non-Democratic states in the East do not care about Whites or Americans at all. real good point, but most ignorant white americans don`t know that, they think the other world think the same like them. You made a good point. IP: Logged
Super car Member Posts: 1572 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 11 April 2005 10:34 PM I am sure that I am not the only one, who has noticed that Horemheb has sucessfully changed the topic from genealogy, by merely making a remark about something, which he noticeably failed to address in another thread, that actually deals with the subject: http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/001851.html It is interesting how he is allowed to pull this off. IP: Logged
Evil Euro Member Posts: 650 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 12 April 2005 07:28 AM quote: Originally posted by dahlak: They call them selves SOUTHERN (in GERMAN SUEDLAENDISCH) that mean BROWN SKIN PEOPLE. First of all, Greeks don't call themselves anything in German. Second, even they did call themselves "Southern", where do you get "brown skin people" from that? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You've also clearly never seen any significant number of Greeks. They're racially Caucasoid and have naturally white to olive skin that can tan to a light brown shade. Here are some illustrative photo series: Greek Women Greek Men Greek Politicians Greek Celebs Ancient Greeks IP: Logged
Horemheb Member Posts: 2076 Registered: Jan 2004	posted 12 April 2005 07:46 AM They don't have a clue. Greeks are white, not brown skinned. They just make this stuff up as they go. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 3990 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 12 April 2005 07:56 AM quote: Originally posted by Super car: [B]I am sure that I am not the only one, who has noticed that Horemheb has sucessfully changed the topic, by merely making a remark about something, which he noticeably failed to address in another thread. Supercar is correct. Illustrates the importance of not chasing trolls who systematically evade the subject, as a troll tactic. Speaking of which: The Berbers: According to professor Christopher Ehret, they probably came from the African coast of the Red Sea. This view appears to be supported by a genetic study which concludes that their paternal lineage is probably predominantly east African in origin.* This is usually taken to imply that the language was introduced from east Africa mainly by males, maybe with some degree of population change, no earlier than 15,000 years ago. quote: Thought Posts: Arredi et al. 2004 �Under the hypothesis of a Neolithic demic expansion from the Middle East, the likely origin of E3b in East Africa could indicate EITHER a LOCAL CONTRIBUTION to the North African Neolithic OR an earlier migration INTO the Fertile Crescent, preceding the expansion BACK into Africa.� �A clinal pattern of haplography variation like the one we observe can be expected from and EAST-TO-WEST population expansion, and the finding of LOWER E3b2 STR variation in the west than in central North Africa, accompanied by a substantial increase in frequency of this haplography, is most readily explained by expansion into virtually UNINHABITED terrain by populations experiencing increasing drift.� �In addition, genetic evidence shows that E3b2 is RARE in the Middle East (Semino et al. 2004), making the Arabs an unlikely source for this frequent North African lineage.� �These people COULD have carried, among others, the E3b and J lineages, AFTER which the M81 mutation arose WITHIN North Africa and expanded along with the Neolithic population INTO an environment containing FEW Humans.� Thought Writes: However, in that Nebel it al. has already found that Haplogroup J did NOT arrive in North Africa to any great extent prior to the Arab invasion. Hence E3b in North Africa did NOT arrive in North Africa in conjunction Haplogroup J and a Middle Eastern demic diffusion. Hence E3b2 mutated from the ancestral East African E3b lineage and was spread in conjunction with the Saharo-Sudanese neolithic The Siwan people are mostly Berbers, the true Western Desert indigenous people, who once roamed the North African coast between Tunisia and Morocco. They inhabited the area as early as 10,000 BC, first moving towards the coast, but later inland as other conquering invaders arrived. - touregypt.net [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 12 April 2005).] IP: Logged
BigMix Member Posts: 73 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 12 April 2005 09:53 AM so there are actually black berbers. and they are not all white as EE would have us assume. IP: Logged

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