quote:Originally posted by osirion: One things Greeks and Egyptians both have in common: Jews.
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What do you mean by this?
Migrant workers, similar to Mexicans in America today. Look around you, Americans are not Uni-cultural. There would have been plenty of work for refugees of various famines/plights etc. Egypt must have been a huge magnet. Semites probably started to become a significant part of the population. The Hysoks, Mamelukes, etc, are still part of the Egyptian population up to this day. But from pre-Dynastic times, who had the economic upper hand? Where is the Nile the most fertile.
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Has anyone ever bothered to notice how pathetic white people are that they need to lay claim African people.
Seriously this is unprecedented with any other people on the planet. Are white people that ugly that they need to go around Africa claiming other people?
Its not worth the time refuting the nonsense about the Fulani. I think its more important to notice how sick in the head that whites are displaying they are.
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Case in point about certain people being weak and dumb.
But it really shouldn't come as a surprise, look at where your ass comes from. You and Charlie Bass really do your best to reinforce the negative stereotypes about your respective states.
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Has anyone ever bothered to notice how pathetic white people are that they need to lay claim African people.
Seriously this is unprecedented with any other people on the planet. Are white people that ugly that they need to go around Africa claiming other people?
Its not worth the time refuting the nonsense about the Fulani. I think its more important to notice how sick in the head that whites are displaying they are.
Hmm, reminds me of Afro-Nuts that claim Greece as a Black civilization.
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Of course your beatdown dumb hee haw ass is confused. That's why you post the numbskull ---- you post.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: One things Greeks and Egyptians both have in common: Jews.
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What do you mean by this?
Migrant workers, similar to Mexicans in America today. Look around you, Americans are not Uni-cultural. There would have been plenty of work for refugees of various famines/plights etc. Egypt must have been a huge magnet. Semites probably started to become a significant part of the population. The Hysoks, Mamelukes, etc, are still part of the Egyptian population up to this day. But from pre-Dynastic times, who had the economic upper hand? Where is the Nile the most fertile.
Jews were never a significant part of the Egyptian population and the first large-scale Asiatic invasion wasn't until well into the Middle Kingdom.
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This thread is indicative of the trolling skeleton that this board has become. You damn new age poster trolls and Winters love puppies need to quit insulting and trolling, thi board was never that way.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: One things Greeks and Egyptians both have in common: Jews.
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What do you mean by this?
Migrant workers, similar to Mexicans in America today. Look around you, Americans are not Uni-cultural. There would have been plenty of work for refugees of various famines/plights etc. Egypt must have been a huge magnet. Semites probably started to become a significant part of the population. The Hysoks, Mamelukes, etc, are still part of the Egyptian population up to this day. But from pre-Dynastic times, who had the economic upper hand? Where is the Nile the most fertile.
Jews were never a significant part of the Egyptian population and the first large-scale Asiatic invasion wasn't until well into the Middle Kingdom.
True, we don't see Arabic looking people like these in Egypt before the Middle Kingdom:
Being that they are neighboring groups of populations, how is it that would have remained isolated?
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^^"Arabic-looking people" does not = "Jews".. What the hell? Not sure how you figure that anyone who looked like that were "Jews" and/or that these so-called Jews were a significant part of the population (which they were not). It goes with out saying that the Egyptians knew of a people they referred to as Aumu but that was a general reference for Asiatics. The first wave of Asiatics to settle in Egypt were the Hyksos, and that wasn't in "pre-dynastic" times, not to mention that most of them were ousted once Egyptian control was resumed.
Also, it isn't that neighboring populations were isolated, but the desert region of the Sinai peninsula was indeed difficult to migrate given the two gulfs and inhospitality of the region. Also, Asiatics at that time were mostly marauding nomads who Egyptians were pretty effective in repelling until the Hyksos invasions.
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It is what it is, NOW. Things are not the way they used to be, I won't tell no lies; One and all got to face reality now. [No one trying] to find the answers to all the questions they ask. [Though one] knows it's impossible to go living through [the] past; Don't tell no lies; - Robert Nesta Marley -
quote:Originally posted by Charlie Bass: This thread is indicative of the trolling skeleton that this board has become. You damn new age poster trolls and Winters love puppies need to quit insulting and trolling, thi board was never that way.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundiata: ^^"Arabic-looking people" does not = "Jews".. What the hell? Not sure how you figure that anyone who looked like that were "Jews" and/or that these so-called Jews were a significant part of the population (which they were not). It goes with out saying that the Egyptians knew of a people they referred to as Aumu but that was a general reference for Asiatics. The first wave of Asiatics to settle in Egypt were the Hyksos, and that wasn't in "pre-dynastic" times, not to mention that most of them were ousted once Egyptian control was resumed.
Also, it isn't that neighboring populations were isolated, but the desert region of the Sinai peninsula was indeed difficult to migrate given the two gulfs and inhospitality of the region. Also, Asiatics at that time were mostly marauding nomads who Egyptians were pretty effective in repelling until the Hyksos invasions.
The Hysoks ruled Egypt for over 300 years. Do you realize how much mixing would have occurred over that amount of time before the Amarna period. Besides, the post was on Canaanites which are and will always be the ancestors to Jews.
Call them Hebrew, Semites, Canaanites, Amu, Habiru, etc. Still Semitic speaking people of the levant that were Semi-Nomadic and by definition that means Hebrews which are the traditional ancestors of the Jews.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: The Hysoks ruled Egypt for over 300 years. Do you realize how much mixing would have occurred over that amount of time before the Amarna period. Besides, the post was on Canaanites which are and will always be the ancestors to Jews.
The Hyksos only ruled Northern Egypt and there's no evidence that they'd extensively mixed with the native Egyptian population prior to being expelled. Also, they only ruled for 108 years, not 300. In addition, according to Jewish tradition its self, Jews do not descend from Canaanites (who descend from Ham), and despite noted contacts, nor were Canaanites ever a "significant" part of the ancient populace either. At least there's no evidence for it.
quote:Call them Hebrew, Semites, Canaanites, Amu, Habiru, etc.
Call who that? Every "Arabic-looking" person to ever walk the face of the planet?
quote: Still Semitic speaking people of the levant that were Semi-Nomadic and by definition that means Hebrews which are the traditional ancestors of the Jews.
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We've gone through all this before and showed Osirion's wishful thinking "hypotheses" lack even the slightest historical basis in facts.
While others make forward progression with new analyses and secondary research we allow ourselves to run in circles dictated by those who've been refuted but wait a season or two to rehash the same baseless stuff again.
Is there a solution to this "mark time march" holding us back from furthering our insights?
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Good grief Sundiata, you trust Wikipedia that much! Good night!
Okay lets go with google scholarship then:
The Hyksos were basically a Semitic people who were able to wrestle control of Egypt from the early Second Intermediate rulers of the 13th Dynasty, inaugurating the 15th Dynasty. Their names mostly come from the West Semitic languages, and earlier suggestions that some of these people were Hurrian or even Hittite have not been confirmed. However, it is not easy to determine their origins within that Asiatic region, and at Tell el-Dab'a, the culture of the people was not static, but rapidly developed new traits and discarded old ones. Yet the reason for, and method of the cultural mixing and rapid development of Asiatics at Tell el-Dab'a remains unclear.
One hypothesis is that the basic population of Egyptians allowed, from time to time, a new influx of settlers, first from the region of Lebanon and Syria, and subsequently from Palestine and Cyprus. The leaders of these people eventually married into the local Egyptian families, a theory that is somewhat supported by preliminary studies of human remains at Tell el-Dab'a. Indeed, parallels for the foreign traits of the Hyksos at Tell el-Dab'a have been found at southern Palestinian sites such as Tell el-Ajjul, at the Syrian site of Ebla and at Byblos in modern Labanon.
Hence, the Hyksos rule of Egypt was probably the climax of waves of Asiatic immigration and infiltration into the northeastern Delta of the Nile. This process was perhaps aided by the Egyptians themselves. For example, Amenemhat II records, in unmistakable language, a campaign by sea to the Lebanese coast that resulted in a list of booty comprising 1,554 Asiatics, and considering that Egypt's eastern border was fortified and probably patrolled by soldiers, it is difficult to understand how massive numbers of foreign people could have simply migrated into northern Egypt. These people migrated, or otherwise moved to the region from the 12th Dynasty onward, and by the 13th Dynasty, this migration became widespread.
The Hyksos did eventually utilize superior bronze weapons, chariots and composite bows to help them take control of Egypt, though in reality, the relative slowness of their advance southwards from the Delta seems to support the argument that the process was gradual and did not ultimately turn on the possession of overwhelming military superiority. Hence, by about 1720 BC, they had grown strong enough, at the expense of the Middle Kingdom kings, to gain control of Avaris in the northeastern Delta. This site eventually became the capital of the Hyksos kings, but within 50 years, they had also managed to take control of the important Egyptian city of Memphis.
Given this slow advance by the Hyksos rulers into southern Egypt, it seems reasonable to infer that the superior military technology of the Hyksos was but an adjunct to their exploitation of the political weakness of the late Middle Kingdom.
However, the Hyksos never really ruled Egypt completely. Their expansion southwards was eventually checked. In fact, at least early on, this may have been the result of a massive plague, for at Tell el-Dab'a we find mass graves with little attention to the burials. Though the ruler of Avaris claimed to be King of Upper and Lower Egypt, we know from a stelae dating to the 17th Dynasty king Kamose, that Hermopolis marked the Avaris' king's theoretical southern boundary, while Cusae, a little further south, was actually the specific boarder point. Yet Southern, or Upper Egypt was reduced to a vassaldom, probably as a result of the effectiveness, eventually, of the Hyksos military forces, at least until the reign of Kamose. Therefore, we do regard them as the legitimate rulers of the whole country during parts of the Second Intermediate Period, considered a chaotic time which the Hyksos at least partially helped to create in Egypt.
Eventually, the Hyksos tolerance of rival claimants to the land beginning in the 15th Dynasty would spell their expulsion by the end of the 17th Dynasty, beginning with the reign of Kamose. By now, the baleful experience of foreign rule had done much to shatter the traditional Egyptian mindset of superiority in both culture and the security of the Egyptian state in the face of external threats.
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Hebrews (or Hebertes, Eberites, Hebreians "Habiu" or "Habiri"; Hebrew: עברים or עבריים, Standard ʿIvrim, ʿIvriyyim Tiberian ʿIḇrîm, ʿIḇriyyîm; meaning "descendants of biblical Patriarch Eber" or Hebrew עברי (ʿIḇrî) "traverse or pass over" (referring to the Ibri people, known in the Africa mainly Egypt and Sudan for their place of origin relative to the major culture of the time. They were called Ibri meaning the people from over on the other side of the Jordan river)[1], were people who lived in Canaan, an area encompassing Israel, both banks of the Jordan River (The West Bank and Jordan), Sinai, Lebanon, and the coastal portions of Syria Egypt and Sudan. Traditionally they are also known as the ancestors of the Israelites, who in turn were the spiritual and historical forerunners of the modern day Jewish people.
There is some disagreement as to both the history and legacy of the Hebrew people. Biblically, the Hebrews were the ancestors, or simply an alias, of the Israelites. Among historical scholars however, there is some disagreement as the real relationship between the Hebrews and Israelites. Archaeological and genealogical evidence however clearly demonstrates that today's Jews are descendants of the ancient Hebrews from the Levant.[citation needed] The word Hebrew comes from a man, Eber (Genesis 10.21, 11.14), who was an ancestor of Jacob aka Israel, and therefore an ancestor of the Jews, the Jews being the descendants of Jacob. In short, the term Hebrew applies to the sons of Eber.
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By the time of the depictions that I posted of Canaanites, Hebrews were already in the land. Never is Canaan described as the land of Ham, only Egypt and Ethiopia is described in such a way.
The depiction may actually be indeed Eber and his caravan entering Egypt. Its an intriguing possibility that this is actually Abraham.
Notice the coat of many colors:
Likely the story of Abraham can never been supported by archaelogical evidence but this is as good as it gets in terms of supporting the culutural type of the "Shepherd Kings".
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Sorry, I'm biting your bait and calling bullshit on you.
For like the 999th time the mdw ntjr names this leader and his group and what items they've brought to Egypt for trade.
I mean like if you could even read those glyphs in your zoom you'd know hyksos is no special word nor exclusive. Got any idea how many rulers of foreign areas there are?
Anybody remember when we had a thread going on about this painting? Remember how someone even posted actual photos from the tomb in Beni Hasan.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Good grief Sundiata, you trust Wikipedia that much!
You're the only one quoting them. You even copy and paste the "citation brackets", so I have no idea what you're talking about.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Never is Canaan described as the land of Ham, only Egypt and Ethiopia is described in such a way.
You don't know what you're talking about. Canaan was a son of Ham, the Israelites by their own tradition, come from Abraham, who descends from Shem.
quote:The sons of Noah who went forth from the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Ham was the father of Canaan. These three were the sons of Noah; and from these the whole earth was peopled. Noah was the first tiller of the soil. He planted a vineyard; and he drank of the wine, and became drunk, and lay uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it upon both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan; a slave of slaves shall he be to his brothers." He also said, "Blessed by the LORD my God be Shem; and let Canaan be his slave. God enlarge Japheth, and let him dwell in the tents of Shem; and let Canaan be his slave." After the flood Noah lived three hundred and fifty years. All the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years; and he died. (Genesis 9:18-29)
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108 years of rule is only referenced in the wikipedia citation on Hyksos.
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Sorry, I'm biting your bait and calling bullshit on you.
For like the 999th time the mdw ntjr names this leader and his group and what items they've brought to Egypt for trade.
I mean like if you could even read those glyphs in your zoom you'd know hyksos is no special word nor exclusive. Got any idea how many rulers of foreign areas there are?
Anybody remember when we had a thread going on about this painting? Remember how someone even posted actual photos from the tomb in Beni Hasan.
And prove that those are not Jews? How can you? As far as we know these are the legendary Hebrews before they learned about monotheism. This may be before Abram becomes Abra-Ham.
Eber - Ham
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More likely Abraham is indication of a cultural change that brought Hamitic and Semitic cultures together. Introduction of circumcision, monotheism, and other African cultural customs mixed with Summerian philosophies bringing forth the religions of Canaan.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Good grief Sundiata, you trust Wikipedia that much! Good night!
Okay lets go with google scholarship then:
The Hyksos were basically a Semitic people who were able to wrestle control of Egypt from the early Second Intermediate rulers of the 13th Dynasty, inaugurating the 15th Dynasty.
Would you care to provide us with the source of your information?
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The painting from a tomb in beni Hasan leaves no room for enthusiastic "as far as we know" fanatsy. That's why I posted the entire vignette with the complete mdw ntjr.
For the 1001th time the script accompanying the painting says who they are disproving to all who accept objective factual matter that the depicted are not Jews (preceding the birth of Y*hudah they could not even remotely possibly be Jews) so stop misleading the unwilfully ignorant.
Stop making **** up and just read the rn mdw and you'll see the name of the man holding the gazelle his rank.
But it's painfully obvious you can't even do that little bit of scholarship which is why you carry on with your chauvinism for a people who fascinate you.
As I often do when responding to those who can't do the research, I've hidden the answer in a post so that those with just a little gumption can see it if they but do a minimum of study on their own.
So come on now and gain some respect and at the very least try to translate the mdw ntjr in this your zoom
Levantine.
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A chatboard has no direction and should not be confused with a forum where "moderators" serve a function similar to editors of print media providing some sense of purpose for the organ.
Don't mean to derail the thread but I wanted to ask you a question.
Last time you said that Jesus did not say that he was the only begotten son of God. I wanted to know where did you get your info from.
I would like to know more about what you mean. So if you could please answer my question Nay-Sayer.
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quote: John 3:16 - KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
In the original Greek, the word that has been translated as "begotten" is "Monogenes".
Monogenes is actually a conjugation of two greek words; "mono" meaning "only" and "genes" meaning "kind". "Monogenes" can be defined as unique or "one of a kind".
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As alTakruri said this particular issue is very old debate, long before ES I recall Dr. Diop, Finch, Dr. Ben etc commenting on this. The guys in the painting could not have been Jews/Hebrews for the reason alTakruri mentioned. But the general idea is that "Jews" came from a Semitic people/Hyksos/W.Asians and despite their fairytale/so-called traditions, they are the same as the Canaanites whom they stole their god Baal/el. Always keep in mind that the Hebrews (even today's jews) are an invented people. Osirion is pushing the usual stretched argument echoing most Jews who comment on this particular subject.
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quote:Originally posted by akoben08: As alTakruri said this particular issue is very old debate, long before ES I recall Dr. Diop, Finch, Dr. Ben etc commenting on this. The guys in the painting could not have been Jews/Hebrews for the reason alTakruri mentioned. But the general idea is that "Jews" came from a Semitic people/Hyksos/W.Asians and despite their fairytale/so-called traditions, they are the same as the Canaanites whom they stole their god Baal/el. Always keep in mind that the Hebrews (even today's jews) are an invented people. Osirion is pushing the usual stretched argument echoing most Jews who comment on this particular subject.
How does that differ from what I said. There was no one actually called Abraham. Abraham is a metaphor for the cultural mixing of Canaanites and Summerian cultures that resulted in the creation of the Hebrew people and language group.
Eber - Ham
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Were the Fulani orignally White Libyan North Africans that moved south and intermarried with Sub-Saharan Africans? Was this North to South gene flow of men or women? Seemingly we are looking a European mtDNA moving southward?
So I am wondering if the Fulani that are 100% E3a have non-African mtDNA similar to many Berbers?
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Instead of speculating, how about someone post some genetic studies as it relates to the Fulani.
The oldest cultural practices that is still practiced today amongst the Fulani is depicted in cave art in North Africa and it clearly depicts dark skin people, not white.
Until proven otherwise, the Fulani are and have always been Black.
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Osirion's Fulani question is more inane than his Beni Hasan painting assumptions.
As fivebifive states, we have prehistoric records of people in what today is the Sahara and Sahel carrying on life and phenotypically looking precisely like the pre-20th century Bororo classified Fulani.
So cracker please, enough of your bullshit already.
We've gone over this before quite in depth. Stop stirring up your long ago bebunked no longer tolerated in academia bullshit about non-Africa Fulani.
Osirion just wants to halt progress and bring studies to a standstill in the reactionary stage where all scholars did was correct what others said instead of focusing on what analytical study can reveal things about a people that we don't already know.
I.e., the proper object is not to counter non- Africa ideaology about Fulani but to narrow down when and which prehistoric Saharans and Sahelians specifically became identified as Fulani/Fulbe/ Peuhl vs being identified as Serer or whatever.
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So what your trying to say is that Jesus said he was "one of a kind"
Does that mean you agree that Jesus was the only begotten son, or do you think something else.
I read from the King James Version Bible.
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Like I said, Jesus never said he was "begotten" of anything. The "only begotten" dogma is merely a mistranslation, as the KJV is full of them.
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Boy those Fulanis seem to have an awful lot of race loons needing for them to be caucasoid.
The funny thing is, it doesn't seem to have done them any good, seeing as to how a whole lot of them just like the rest of the other so called Caucasoid African groups look part and parcel like African Americans.
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Some Fulanis have a Caucasian Y DNA (Y Haplogroup T) so there are some mulatto Fulani I think.
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^^Well, you thought wrong and clearly don't know what you're talking about (Fulani and overwhelmingly of e3a derivation). Thanx anyway.
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quote:Originally posted by prmiddleeastern: [Caucasian Y DNA (Y Haplogroup T)
Geneticist do not ascribe haplotype T to "caucasians", for the same reason that they do not asribe to Europeans and so called Mid-Easterns "negro" haplotype "E".
Now, you know this. So stop trying to lie about it.
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Just wanted to add that Fulanis of Nigeria have E3a at 100%. There is no caucasian in the Fulanis. If there was a search function I would use it to get one of the studies posted in another thread.
Also Welcome back Rasol and Djehuti.
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quote:Originally posted by prmiddleeastern: [Caucasian Y DNA (Y Haplogroup T)
Geneticist do not ascribe haplotype T to "caucasians", for the same reason that they do not asribe to Europeans and so called Mid-Easterns "negro" haplotype "E".
Now, you know this. So stop trying to lie about it.
No, I didn't know about it, I knew E1b2 was classified as Proto-Semitic by reasons unknown,but I thought of T as a caucasian haplogroup because of its origins, and I think of E1b2 as Afro-Semitic.
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^^"Caucasia" is a mountainous region of Northern Europe and thus, if the said Haplogroup did not emerge there, then it is not "Caucasian". Which is irrelevant since Fulani are nearly 100% e3a.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^^Well, you thought wrong and clearly don't know what you're talking about (Fulani and overwhelmingly of e3a derivation). Thanx anyway.
The genographic project and other studies proves you wrong and me right.
quote:"K2-M70 is believed to have originated in Asia after the emergence of the K-M9 polymorphism (45–30 ky) (Underhill et al. 2001a). As deduced from the collective data (Underhill et al. 2000; Cruciani et al. 2002; Semino et al. 2002; present study), K2-M70 individuals, at some later point, proceeded south to Africa. While these chromosomes are seen in relatively high frequencies in Egypt, Oman, Tanzania, Ethiopia, and Morocco, they are especially prominent in the Fulbe (18% [Scozzari et al. 1997, 1999]), presenting the highest concentration of this haplogroup found so far." (J. R. Luis et al., "The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional Corridors of Human Migrations")
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