"mtDNA of Fulani Nomads and Their Genetic Relationships to Neighboring Sedentary Populations"
quote:Despite the large size of the contemporary nomadic Fulani population (roughly 13 million people), the genetic diversity and degree of differentiation of Fulanis compared to other sub-Saharan populations remain unknown. We sampled four Fulani nomad populations (n = 186) in three countries of sub-Saharan Africa (Chad, Cameroon, and Burkina Faso) and analyzed sequences of the first hypervariable segment of the mitochondrial DNA. Most of the haplotypes belong to haplogroups of West African origin, such as L1b, L3b, L3d, L2b, L2c, and L2d (79.6% in total), which are all well represented in each of the four geographically separated samples. The haplogroups of Western Eurasian origin, such as J1b, U5, H, and V, were also detected but in rather low frequencies .
On the Y-Chromosome citation it is stated that the highest trace found was at 18%, which isn't an average and is only on the paternal side; this no where near makes them "Mulatto" and is a unbelievably dumb to suggest.
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"The Xhosa sample is located somewhat outside the tight Niger-Congo cluster on figure 2, but it is found to be not different from the Zulu, the Fulani from Senegal, and the Dama." - "Human genetic affinities for Y-chromosome P49a,f/TaqI haplotypes show strong correspondence with linguistics"
^^Hmm, according to these folks, some Fulani share closest affinity to Bantu speakers, by way of the P49a,f/TaqI haplotypes.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^^Well, you thought wrong and clearly don't know what you're talking about (Fulani and overwhelmingly of e3a derivation). Thanx anyway.
The genographic project and other studies proves you wrong and me right.
quote:"K2-M70 is believed to have originated in Asia after the emergence of the K-M9 polymorphism (4530 ky) (Underhill et al. 2001a). As deduced from the collective data (Underhill et al. 2000; Cruciani et al. 2002; Semino et al. 2002; present study), K2-M70 individuals, at some later point, proceeded south to Africa. While these chromosomes are seen in relatively high frequencies in Egypt, Oman, Tanzania, Ethiopia, and Morocco, they are especially prominent in the Fulbe (18% [Scozzari et al. 1997, 1999]), presenting the highest concentration of this haplogroup found so far." (J. R. Luis et al., "The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional Corridors of Human Migrations")
Where in any way does it say haplogroup T is Caucasian, moron? Just because you're mixed up in the head like your pal Jaime and can't decide who are you doesn't everyone else a bunch of mixed breeds.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^Actually, I'm right..
"mtDNA of Fulani Nomads and Their Genetic Relationships to Neighboring Sedentary Populations"
quote:Despite the large size of the contemporary nomadic Fulani population (roughly 13 million people), the genetic diversity and degree of differentiation of Fulanis compared to other sub-Saharan populations remain unknown. We sampled four Fulani nomad populations (n = 186) in three countries of sub-Saharan Africa (Chad, Cameroon, and Burkina Faso) and analyzed sequences of the first hypervariable segment of the mitochondrial DNA. Most of the haplotypes belong to haplogroups of West African origin, such as L1b, L3b, L3d, L2b, L2c, and L2d (79.6% in total), which are all well represented in each of the four geographically separated samples. The haplogroups of Western Eurasian origin, such as J1b, U5, H, and V, were also detected but in rather low frequencies .
On the Y-Chromosome citation it is stated that the highest trace found was at 18%, which isn't an average and is only on the paternal side; this no where near makes them "Mulatto" and is a unbelievably dumb to suggest.
Um, okay.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^^Well, you thought wrong and clearly don't know what you're talking about (Fulani and overwhelmingly of e3a derivation). Thanx anyway.
The genographic project and other studies proves you wrong and me right.
quote:"K2-M70 is believed to have originated in Asia after the emergence of the K-M9 polymorphism (4530 ky) (Underhill et al. 2001a). As deduced from the collective data (Underhill et al. 2000; Cruciani et al. 2002; Semino et al. 2002; present study), K2-M70 individuals, at some later point, proceeded south to Africa. While these chromosomes are seen in relatively high frequencies in Egypt, Oman, Tanzania, Ethiopia, and Morocco, they are especially prominent in the Fulbe (18% [Scozzari et al. 1997, 1999]), presenting the highest concentration of this haplogroup found so far." (J. R. Luis et al., "The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional Corridors of Human Migrations")
Where in any way does it say haplogroup T is Caucasian, moron? Just because you're mixed up in the head like your pal Jaime and can't decide who are you doesn't everyone else a bunch of mixed breeds.
Well, it has it origin on the Middle East,from arabs, who are Caucasic or I am wrong, and please, don't be a Blackfronter.
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quote:Originally posted by prmiddleeastern: arabs, who are Caucasic or I am wrong
Yes, you are wrong. There's no such thing as a "Caucasic". As for "Caucasian":
"1. Anthropology A member of the Caucasian racial classification. Not in scientific use.
"2. A native or inhabitant of the Caucasus."
1. You are using outdated terms that aren't even in scientific use and are therefore, pseudoscientific.
2. Arabs aren't from the Caucasus and therefore by definition, are not "Caucasian".
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quote:Originally posted by prmiddleeastern: [Caucasian Y DNA (Y Haplogroup T)
Geneticist do not ascribe haplotype T to "caucasians", for the same reason that they do not asribe to Europeans and so called Mid-Easterns "negro" haplotype "E".
Now, you know this. So stop trying to lie about it.
No, I didn't know about it, I knew E1b2 was classified as Proto-Semitic by reasons unknown,but I thought of T as a caucasian haplogroup because of its origins, and I think of E1b2 as Afro-Semitic.
quote: I knew E1b2 was classified as Proto-Semitic by reasons unknown
^ By whom? Reasons unknown should be your middle-name.
Look here is how it is done.
Proto-Semitic.... is a language.
It is classified as African - linguist Christopher Ehret.
Contrast the above statement of fact, and identification of source, with your series of bizarrely unsubstantiated comments.
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quote:Originally posted by Charlie Bass: Just because you're mixed up in the head like your pal Jaime and can't decide who are you doesn't everyone else a bunch of mixed breeds.
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^^Well, you thought wrong and clearly don't know what you're talking about (Fulani and overwhelmingly of e3a derivation). Thanx anyway.
The genographic project and other studies proves you wrong and me right.
quote:"K2-M70 is believed to have originated in Asia after the emergence of the K-M9 polymorphism (4530 ky) (Underhill et al. 2001a). As deduced from the collective data (Underhill et al. 2000; Cruciani et al. 2002; Semino et al. 2002; present study), K2-M70 individuals, at some later point, proceeded south to Africa. While these chromosomes are seen in relatively high frequencies in Egypt, Oman, Tanzania, Ethiopia, and Morocco, they are especially prominent in the Fulbe (18% [Scozzari et al. 1997, 1999]), presenting the highest concentration of this haplogroup found so far." (J. R. Luis et al., "The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional Corridors of Human Migrations")
Where in any way does it say haplogroup T is Caucasian, moron? Just because you're mixed up in the head like your pal Jaime and can't decide who are you doesn't everyone else a bunch of mixed breeds.
Well, it has it origin on the Middle East,from arabs, who are Caucasic or I am wrong, and please, don't be a Blackfronter.
Please show evidence that haplogroup T is an "Arab" haplogroup and or that Arabs spread this haplogroup into Africa. On second thought, the Bass will make your already impossible task even more difficult:
"The current patchy distribution of K2-M70 in Africa may be a remnant of a more widespread occupation. Subsequent demic events introducing chromosomes carrying the E3b-M35, E3a-M2, G-M201, and J-12f2 haplogroups may have overwhelmed the K2-M70 representatives in some areas. Like the R1*-M173 males, the M70 individuals could represent the relics of an early back migration to Africa from Asia, since these chromosomes are not associated with the G-M201, J-12f2, and R1-M173 derivatives, lineages that represent more-recent Eurasian genetic contributions (Semino et al. 2000; Underhill et al. 2001b)."
Am J Hum Genet. 2004 March; 74(3): 532544. Published online 2004 February 17.
Please explain what Arabs have to do with this.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^^Well, you thought wrong and clearly don't know what you're talking about (Fulani and overwhelmingly of e3a derivation). Thanx anyway.
The genographic project and other studies proves you wrong and me right.
quote:"K2-M70 is believed to have originated in Asia after the emergence of the K-M9 polymorphism (4530 ky) (Underhill et al. 2001a). As deduced from the collective data (Underhill et al. 2000; Cruciani et al. 2002; Semino et al. 2002; present study), K2-M70 individuals, at some later point, proceeded south to Africa. While these chromosomes are seen in relatively high frequencies in Egypt, Oman, Tanzania, Ethiopia, and Morocco, they are especially prominent in the Fulbe (18% [Scozzari et al. 1997, 1999]), presenting the highest concentration of this haplogroup found so far." (J. R. Luis et al., "The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional Corridors of Human Migrations")
Where in any way does it say haplogroup T is Caucasian, moron? Just because you're mixed up in the head like your pal Jaime and can't decide who are you doesn't everyone else a bunch of mixed breeds.
Well, it has it origin on the Middle East,from arabs, who are Caucasic or I am wrong, and please, don't be a Blackfronter.
Please show evidence that haplogroup T is an "Arab" haplogroup and or that Arabs spread this haplogroup into Africa. On second thought, the Bass will make your already impossible task even more difficult:
"The current patchy distribution of K2-M70 in Africa may be a remnant of a more widespread occupation. Subsequent demic events introducing chromosomes carrying the E3b-M35, E3a-M2, G-M201, and J-12f2 haplogroups may have overwhelmed the K2-M70 representatives in some areas. Like the R1*-M173 males, the M70 individuals could represent the relics of an early back migration to Africa from Asia, since these chromosomes are not associated with the G-M201, J-12f2, and R1-M173 derivatives, lineages that represent more-recent Eurasian genetic contributions (Semino et al. 2000; Underhill et al. 2001b)."
Am J Hum Genet. 2004 March; 74(3): 532544. Published online 2004 February 17.
Please explain what Arabs have to do with this.
So, they are Asians, my mistake, but they ae caucasics.
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So, they are Asians, my mistake, but they ae caucasics. [/QB][/QUOTE]
What proof do you have for that statement? Can you actually read you dummy? The text said it was a southward African migration, not a migration of "Caucasics", but hey when you're severely mixed up in the mind thats what happens.
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^^Honestly, my impression also was that it mentions a possible back migration into Africa FROM Asia, though the same can just as easily be attributed to contacts during the trans-atlantic slave trade or early Berberian contacts, and has (though point well taken, since the citation STILL says nothing whatsoever about any "Caucasics").
quote:"The two Western European R1b-P25 lineages in Fulbe and Bijagσs are best explained by recent European influence, at the time of the slave trade."
- Y-chromosomal diversity in the population of Guinea-Bissau: a multiethnic perspective
Whatever the source of the K2 is irrelevant since as even the paper admits, it has been substantially diluted and/or overwhelmed by the indigenous lineages that were already present. And seeing as how Europeans are more mixed than any other continental group, while Arabs are even more mixed still, negates any claims of significant admixture among Africans who are direct ancestors of mixed off spring [how can one be "mixed" with someone else who is already substantially mixed, in part with your own ancestry?].
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: What proof do you have that a high number of Fulanis were sold as slaves??
Better question would be what proof do you have that the Fulnais were not even black??! LOL
I've seen plenty of Fulani and never have I seen nor even hear of a non-black Fulani! LOL In fact the whole idea of 'white' Fulani sounds like an antimony like black Swede or something. Posts: 26286 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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So, they are Asians, my mistake, but they ae caucasics.
quote:Charlie Bass writes: What proof do you have for that statement? Can you actually read you dummy? The text said it was a southward African migration, not a migration of "Caucasics", but hey when you're severely mixed up in the mind thats what happens.
^ Example of a pseudo-genetic enthusiast.
He neither understands what he is talking about, nor wants to. And therefore he never will.
His limited grasp of genetics is to repeat the bogusness of Dienekes - because it condescends to his petty ethnocentric wishfull thinkings.
This is why he makes ridiculous claim qualified by: "for reasons unkown".
Why would anyone repeat a claim that has no source [that he is willing to confess to] and an "unknown" rationale?
Hey PR Mid-East, do you really want to *know* your reasons?
You're a low self esteem petty mongrel troll, and a passive aggressive parroter of whatever racist nonsenses makes you feel better.
quote:Whatever the source of the K2 is irrelevant since as even the paper admits, it has been substantially diluted and/or overwhelmed by the indigenous lineages that were already present
Here is what is true of people belonging to the European ethnonym of *caucasians* according to a study from British geneticists, Jon H. Wetton.
Inferring the population of origin of DNA evidence within the UK by allele-specific hybridization of Y-SNPs .
Haplogroup E3b is most common in North and East African populations, and is found in 17% of EA2 [ethnic appearance group two = southern European].
The *frequent* occurrence (7%) of the E3a [West] African haplogroup that has previously been claimed to be virtually absent from the indigenous UK and European populations [23,24] suggests recent admixture with Afro-Caribbeans in the UK.
^ So called Causasian populations of *Britain* have up to 24% African paternity.
The game of trying to play African populations off against a model of genetic purity, while Euorpeans are given and exemption, while being held as a defacto standard of same,,,, and so labeled 'caucasian' regardless of genotype.... continues to be a suckers game.
Notice that no amount of African admixture results in the word "Negro" used to describe native Brits.
Fulani populations show anywhere between 85 to 100 percent E3a.
They are paternally more homogeneously African, than virtually any European population is "European."
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quote:And seeing as how Europeans are more mixed than any other continental group
What makes you think people of European descent are particularly mixed? The southern Euros and the Russians, maybe, since they stand on the fringes of the subcontinent, but what evidence do you have that the majority of Europeans have an unusually diverse heritage? I would think the most mixed continental group would be the Africans, since they were the most genetically diverse to begin with.
quote:Whatever the source of the K2 is irrelevant since as even the paper admits, it has been substantially diluted and/or overwhelmed by the indigenous lineages that were already present
Here is what is true of people belonging to the European ethnonym of *caucasians* according to a study from British geneticists, Jon H. Wetton.
Inferring the population of origin of DNA evidence within the UK by allele-specific hybridization of Y-SNPs .
Haplogroup E3b is most common in North and East African populations, and is found in 17% of EA2 [ethnic appearance group two = southern European].
The *frequent* occurrence (7%) of the E3a [West] African haplogroup that has previously been claimed to be virtually absent from the indigenous UK and European populations [23,24] suggests recent admixture with Afro-Caribbeans in the UK.
^ So called Causasian populations of *Britain* have up to 24% African paternity.
The game of trying to play African populations off against a model of genetic purity, while Euorpeans are given and exemption, while being held as a defacto standard of same,,,, and so labeled 'caucasian' regardless of genotype.... continues to be a suckers game.
Notice that no amount of African admixture results in the word "Negro" used to describe native Brits.
Fulani populations show anywhere between 85 to 100 percent E3a.
They are paternally more homogeneously African, than virtually any European population is "European."
Notice how this joker puts the term Caucasians in quotes and refers to them as so called, yet still insists on the equally dubious label "Semitic" for white Jews? LOL Amazing double standard rasolowitz! But completely understandable as you philo Semites always expose your scientific and empirical pretensions when it comes to your masters the Jews.
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quote:Whatever the source of the K2 is irrelevant since as even the paper admits, it has been substantially diluted and/or overwhelmed by the indigenous lineages that were already present
Here is what is true of people belonging to the European ethnonym of *caucasians* according to a study from British geneticists, Jon H. Wetton.
Inferring the population of origin of DNA evidence within the UK by allele-specific hybridization of Y-SNPs .
Haplogroup E3b is most common in North and East African populations, and is found in 17% of EA2 [ethnic appearance group two = southern European].
The *frequent* occurrence (7%) of the E3a [West] African haplogroup that has previously been claimed to be virtually absent from the indigenous UK and European populations [23,24] suggests recent admixture with Afro-Caribbeans in the UK.
^ So called Causasian populations of *Britain* have up to 24% African paternity.
The game of trying to play African populations off against a model of genetic purity, while Euorpeans are given and exemption, while being held as a defacto standard of same,,,, and so labeled 'caucasian' regardless of genotype.... continues to be a suckers game.
Notice that no amount of African admixture results in the word "Negro" used to describe native Brits.
Fulani populations show anywhere between 85 to 100 percent E3a.
They are paternally more homogeneously African, than virtually any European population is "European."
Notice how this joker puts the term Caucasians in quotes and refers to them as so called, yet still insists on the equally dubious label "Semitic" for white Jews? LOL Amazing double standard rasolowitz! But completely understandable as you philo Semites always expose your scientific and empirical pretensions when it comes to your masters the Jews.
We've had enough bigoted assholes troll here in Egyptsearch. Most of the time they're racists, but your silly prejudice against Jews is just as unwelcome. If you persist with the gratuitious Jew-baiting, I will report you.
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^LOL he is seriously xenophobic to pronounce something so slanderous as to say that rasol endorses 'semitic', 'hamitic', or any other '-itic' as a standard for purity. If rasol does, than let him say so, and I will stand corrected. And if typing 'semite' in a sentence is evidence, akobozo has done the same 'crime'.
It's as was previously stated:
quote:Originally posted by rasol:
^ Your rabid anti-semiticism accomplishes nothing other than to render you silly and impotent.
And since I'm not Jewish, it doesn't accomplish the intended goal of baiting or irritating.
It reads as: "You're a desparate bigot, who emotes hate as a substitute for and inability to think".
You see phantom Jews everywhere and behind everything, don't you?
Boo!!! A jew!!!! So run away, you silly child.
lol.
and Tyro,
quote:Originally posted by Tyrann0saurus:
quote:And seeing as how Europeans are more mixed than any other continental group
What makes you think people of European descent are particularly mixed? The southern Euros and the Russians, maybe, since they stand on the fringes of the subcontinent, but what evidence do you have that the majority of Europeans have an unusually diverse heritage? I would think the most mixed continental group would be the Africans, since they were the most genetically diverse to begin with.
"mixed" -- what it implies -- think about it.
And hence, we have the problems of a dubious definition of mixed.
If the definition is different genes, then we are either all mixed, or none of us mixed (more mixed than the other) to begin with.
However, a more useful definition of mixed is: an entity (let's say X, or Arab; X = Arab) which has ancestry of two or more different entities (let's say A and B; African and Eurasian). 'Different' here implies differentiable in a biologically significant way - since biology's the context because we're concerned about genes -> actual ancestry.
Even indigenous Africans in the very same region are very diverse genetically. However if they are only of African stock they are not any more mixed than were the genetic 'Adam and Eve'.
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quote:What makes you think people of European descent are particularly mixed? The southern Euros and the Russians, maybe, since they stand on the fringes of the subcontinent, but what evidence do you have that the majority of Europeans have an unusually diverse heritage? I would think the most mixed continental group would be the Africans, since they were the most genetically diverse to begin with.
Just google any haplogroup map of the world to note just how lineagely hybridised Europe is--compared to other areas. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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quote:Whatever the source of the K2 is irrelevant since as even the paper admits, it has been substantially diluted and/or overwhelmed by the indigenous lineages that were already present
Here is what is true of people belonging to the European ethnonym of *caucasians* according to a study from British geneticists, Jon H. Wetton.
Inferring the population of origin of DNA evidence within the UK by allele-specific hybridization of Y-SNPs .
Haplogroup E3b is most common in North and East African populations, and is found in 17% of EA2 [ethnic appearance group two = southern European].
The *frequent* occurrence (7%) of the E3a [West] African haplogroup that has previously been claimed to be virtually absent from the indigenous UK and European populations [23,24] suggests recent admixture with Afro-Caribbeans in the UK.
^ So called Causasian populations of *Britain* have up to 24% African paternity.
The game of trying to play African populations off against a model of genetic purity, while Euorpeans are given and exemption, while being held as a defacto standard of same,,,, and so labeled 'caucasian' regardless of genotype.... continues to be a suckers game.
Notice that no amount of African admixture results in the word "Negro" used to describe native Brits.
Fulani populations show anywhere between 85 to 100 percent E3a.
They are paternally more homogeneously African, than virtually any European population is "European."
Notice how this joker puts the term Caucasians in quotes and refers to them as so called, yet still insists on the equally dubious label "Semitic" for white Jews? LOL Amazing double standard rasolowitz! But completely understandable as you philo Semites always expose your scientific and empirical pretensions when it comes to your masters the Jews.
Dude, shut the hell up, you're becoming very annoying, the Jews must be your masters since you talk about them in every damn post with your paranoia.
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quote:We've had enough bigoted assholes troll here in Egyptsearch. Most of the time they're racists, but your silly prejudice against Jews is just as unwelcome. If you persist with the gratuitious Jew-baiting, I will report you.
Wow yet another philo Semite comes up from their hole! It seems Africana boards attract these types so as to police the information circulating among black folk. I am not even going to ask you to define "Jew baiting" since like all the other fools I'm pretty sure you can't even define it. But if you think the label semitic is more "accurate" for white Jews than Caucasian is for other whites then explain instead of hiding behind standard reactionary defense rhetoric.
quote:he is seriously xenophobic to pronounce something so slanderous as to say that rasol endorses 'semitic', 'hamitic', or any other '-itic' as a standard for purity.
Alive, why don't you ask me what I was highlighting instead of ASSuming as you always do? My post wasn't accusing rasolowitz of purity claims, but highlighting his double standard of labeling.
quote: and so labeled 'caucasian' regardless of genotype.... continues to be a suckers game.
I agree it's a suckers game to give a group (white Jews) a certain label regardless of genotype.rasolowitz is the sucker.
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quote:And seeing as how Europeans are more mixed than any other continental group
What makes you think people of European descent are particularly mixed? The southern Euros and the Russians, maybe, since they stand on the fringes of the subcontinent, but what evidence do you have that the majority of Europeans have an unusually diverse heritage? I would think the most mixed continental group would be the Africans, since they were the most genetically diverse to begin with.
I don't at all understand what you're saying Tyro, as it seems overwhelmingly naive to equate native African lineages and haplogroup baseline diversity as indicative of admixture from other groups. I've already given my citations attesting to the supposition that Europe was peopled by multiple sources from Asia and Africa, while the graph shows Europeans as having an intermediate position between Asians and Africans.
"Europe shows a shorter distance from Africa than do all the other continents......The overall contributions from Asia and Africa were estimated to be around two-thirds and one-third, respectively. Simulations have shown (7) that this hypothesis explains quite well the discrepancy between trees obtained by maximum likelihood and neighbor joining. " - L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza
^^In other words, the diversity seen in Africa is not attributable to admixture, while a lot of the diversity in Europe is.
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quote:We've had enough bigoted assholes troll here in Egyptsearch. Most of the time they're racists, but your silly prejudice against Jews is just as unwelcome. If you persist with the gratuitious Jew-baiting, I will report you.
Wow yet another philo Semite comes up from their hole! It seems Africana boards attract these types so as to police the information circulating among black folk. I am not even going to ask you to define "Jew baiting" since like all the other fools I'm pretty sure you can't even define it. But if you think the label semitic is more "accurate" for white Jews than Caucasian is for other whites then explain instead of hiding behind standard reactionary defense rhetoric.
quote:he is seriously xenophobic to pronounce something so slanderous as to say that rasol endorses 'semitic', 'hamitic', or any other '-itic' as a standard for purity.
Alive, why don't you ask me what I was highlighting instead of ASSuming as you always do? My post wasn't accusing rasolowitz of purity claims, but highlighting his double standard of labeling.
quote: and so labeled 'caucasian' regardless of genotype.... continues to be a suckers game.
I agree it's a suckers game to give a group (white Jews) a certain label regardless of genotype.rasolowitz is the sucker.
Akoben, the confused Black Nazi strikes again. And so the story goes on...
Hans-Jόrgen Massaquoi is a retired managing editor who once worked for Ebony magazine. He was born in Hamburg, Germany in 1926. His father was an African from Liberia who was the son of a former African tribal king and Liberias first consul general to Germany. His mother was a German nurses aid named Bertha Massaquoi. He grew up privileged until his father and grandfather returned to Liberia in 1929. His mother did not want to expose her son to the tropical climate of Africa his mother chose to stay in Germany and raise her son.
According to Mr. Massaquoi, he wanted so badly to fit into the culture around him that he had his babysitter, an old lady without much political sophistication, sew a swastika on his school sweater. Despite the fact that the people involved in this organization would be more than happy to eradicate the black population, this black boy wanted to fit. It is an unfortunate circumstance of black people everywhere to want to fit into a culture that would be more likely to work towards their subjugation than recognize the black population as honest equals.
At school, his teacher enjoyed the irony of the black boy with the swastika that she used her camera to take a photograph. He wore it proudly until his mother ripped the famous Nazi symbol off his clothes and explained why he could never join the Hitler Youth organization, a Nazi Germany version of the Boy Scouts of America. Nevertheless, with no other black people to identify with or serve as a role model, Massaquoi developed a fascination with Nazism. But as racism began to take root in Germany Mr. Massaquoi began to realize his predicament. As Mr. Massaquoi grew to adulthood he was prevented from joining the military, he was prevented from obtaining an education, and he was excluded from a professional career. He relegated into becoming a machine apprentice.Posts: 4021 | From: Bay Area, CA | Registered: Mar 2007
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Sundjata writes: Akoben, the confused Black Nazi strikes again
^ Well said. He's a nut. You should just ignore him. Any attempt to 'converse' with him, ends in retardation.
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Reiterating the following since it was not addressed by the insanely off point anti-semitic babblings of the forums resident NAZI nut job......
quote:British geneticists, Jon H. Wetton.
Inferring the population of origin of DNA evidence within the UK by allele-specific hybridization of Y-SNPs .
Haplogroup E3b is most common in North and East African populations, and is found in 17% of EA2 [ethnic appearance group two = southern European].
The *frequent* occurrence (7%) of the E3a [West] African haplogroup that has previously been claimed to be virtually absent from the indigenous UK and European populations [23,24] suggests recent admixture with Afro-Caribbeans in the UK.
^ So called Causasian populations of *Britain* have up to 24% African paternity.
The game of trying to play African populations off against a model of genetic purity, while Euorpeans are given and exemption, while being held as a defacto standard of same,,,, and so labeled 'caucasian' regardless of genotype.... continues to be a suckers game.
Notice that no amount of African admixture results in the word "Negro" used to describe native Brits.
Fulani populations show anywhere between 85 to 100 percent E3a.
They are paternally more homogeneously African, than virtually any European population is "European."
^ Hint. Never let and internet fruitcake, like Akoben change the subject, and then go chasing after his insane rantings.
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quote:What makes you think people of European descent are particularly mixed? The southern Euros and the Russians, maybe, since they stand on the fringes of the subcontinent, but what evidence do you have that the majority of Europeans have an unusually diverse heritage?
^ PR MidEast's pathetic attempts to excuse mixture in Europe while touting it everywhere else, only makes his racist hypocrisy more obvious. .
Can you name examples of Asians who appear as 1/3 African and 2/3 European?
Can you name examples of Africans who appear as 1/3 Asian and 2/3rds Europeans.
Then why do you deny Europeans are mixed?
African lineages found throughout Europe:
E3b, E3a, L1, L2, L3, A1.........
But according to you, Europeans are not mixed... only Africans can be mixed.
You're a stinking racist hypocrite, who gets his ideas about genetics from racist white losers who you let tell you what to think. [which shows your low level of intellect and low self esteem].
And whom you believe as long as they tell you any lie you want to hear.
You know that don't you?
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"Europe shows a shorter distance from Africa than do all the other continents"
^ As and example of how desparate is the racist vanity of Eurocentrist-ego wounded, when ES troll Evil-Euro was confronted with this reality, he tried to argue that this simply reflected geographic distance.
In other words Europe is closer to Africa genetically because it is physically closer than other continents.
This is a priceless bit of child psychology since of course it is *true* that Europe is closer to Africa than East Asia or Australia - but this only explains 'how' Europeans have come to be mixed. [since so many Africans from so many eras have migrated their, much more easily than to East Asia or Australia]
Admixture is the cause.
Geography facilitates genetic admixture, which is what causes genetic proximity.
Geography is not and excuse.
Europeans are more "mixed" with Africans, than the other way around.
That's a fact. Geneticists have stated so, and *NO GENETICIST* will deny this.
And that's why those who would deny this resort to unsubstantiated claims proferred for "reasons unknown".
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Oh my god! Sundiata, you think you're better than Hans?!? LMAO! Youre an American flag waving negro too ("I love America just fine")
Fascist US military base
Oh come now don't think you are any better! And since America was the model for Hitler racialism your just as pathetic!
BTW I'm still waiting (among other things) on that reference you promised that supposedly contradicted my sources proving lack of progress of blacks in America.
But re little rasolowitz, why don't you all just let the child speak for himself? Come on little rasolowitz, don't use child psychology to avoid the question. You know it's no "change of subject", we're taking usefulness of labels regardless of genotype, yes? Explain why you interrogate the meaning of "Caucasian" when referring to some whites, but shy away from doing the same re the label "Semitic" for white Jews? Why are Jews given an exemption? Where's your proof they are Semites? I know your ego cannot allow you to take a beat down like Ausarianstein, but try to look on it as a lesson.... Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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quote:Originally posted by prmiddleeastern: arabs, who are Caucasic or I am wrong
Yes, you are wrong. There's no such thing as a "Caucasic". As for "Caucasian":
"1. Anthropology A member of the Caucasian racial classification. Not in scientific use.
"2. A native or inhabitant of the Caucasus."
1. You are using outdated terms that aren't even in scientific use and are therefore, pseudoscientific.
2. Arabs aren't from the Caucasus and therefore by definition, are not "Caucasian".
thne what are they, besides arab, ofcourse, or isn't there not another classification fro their race.
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So, they are Asians, my mistake, but they ae caucasics.
What proof do you have for that statement? Can you actually read you dummy? The text said it was a southward African migration, not a migration of "Caucasics", but hey when you're severely mixed up in the mind thats what happens. [/QB][/QUOTE]Or back to africa mingration, if it is african migrattion fromAfrica, from where from Africa did they came from, because insulitng me won't make a logic point or prove anything in a logical form.
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quote:What makes you think people of European descent are particularly mixed? The southern Euros and the Russians, maybe, since they stand on the fringes of the subcontinent, but what evidence do you have that the majority of Europeans have an unusually diverse heritage?
^ PR MidEast's pathetic attempts to excuse mixture in Europe while touting it everywhere else, only makes his racist hypocrisy more obvious. .
Can you name examples of Asians who appear as 1/3 African and 2/3 European?
Can you name examples of Africans who appear as 1/3 Asian and 2/3rds Europeans.
Then why do you deny Europeans are mixed?
African lineages found throughout Europe:
E3b, E3a, L1, L2, L3, A1.........
But according to you, Europeans are not mixed... only Africans can be mixed.
You're a stinking racist hypocrite, who gets his ideas about genetics from racist white losers who you let tell you what to think. [which shows your low level of intellect and low self esteem].
And whom you believe as long as they tell you any lie you want to hear.
You know that don't you?
I don't remenber typing any of that.
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So, they are Asians, my mistake, but they ae caucasics.
quote:Charlie Bass writes: What proof do you have for that statement? Can you actually read you dummy? The text said it was a southward African migration, not a migration of "Caucasics", but hey when you're severely mixed up in the mind thats what happens.
^ Example of a pseudo-genetic enthusiast.
He neither understands what he is talking about, nor wants to. And therefore he never will.
His limited grasp of genetics is to repeat the bogusness of Dienekes - because it condescends to his petty ethnocentric wishfull thinkings.
This is why he makes ridiculous claim qualified by: "for reasons unkown".
Why would anyone repeat a claim that has no source [that he is willing to confess to] and an "unknown" rationale?
Hey PR Mid-East, do you really want to *know* your reasons?
You're a low self esteem petty mongrel troll, and a passive aggressive parroter of whatever racist nonsenses makes you feel better.
So now you know "why".
You're welcome.
Then teach me your racial knowledge, teach me what do you know about race, any lik to a web page who explains it tome, or don't you have one,I am not racist, but i am not sensitive about racial issues, because I just don't care about racism at all, I despise it, but I don't take it so emotional.
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What you mistake for racial knowledge is merely racist ignorance. [which explains why your posts are dominated by 'reasons unknown' and sources unnamed]
And...that is what I'm teaching you. Whether you like it, or not.
PS- Middle East [your acronym] is also a completely phony term. It describes no indigenous culture, no geography, and no concept native to the mostly Arabian Peninsula it now references.
It was invented by the British in the early 20th century in order to eliminate NATIVE conceptions, and thereby implant in the minds of simple people, that Britain has a 'natural' right to dominate the resources [oil], and people of the region.
Every time you refer to yourself as a Middle Easterner, there is some old British geezer laughing, because he is your intellectual master, and you are his mindless muling slave.
So now...you've learned something else.
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What you mistake for racial knowledge is merely racist ignorance. [which explains why your posts are dominated by 'reasons unknown' and sources unnamed]
And...that is what I'm teaching you. Whether you like it, or not.
PS- Middle East [your acronym] is also a completely phony term. It describes no indigenous culture, no geography, and no concept native to the mostly Arabian Peninsula it now references.
It was invented by the British in the early 20th century in order to eliminate NATIVE conceptions, and thereby implant in the minds of simple people, that Britain has a 'natural' right to dominate the resources [oil], and people of the region.
Every time you refer to yourself as a Middle Easterner, there is some old British geezer laughing, because he is your intellectual master, and you are his mindless muling slave.
So now...you've learned something else.
Exactly,you are right.
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quote:Every time you refer to yourself as a Middle Easterner, there is some old British geezer laughing, because he is your intellectual master, and you are his mindless muling slave.
Oh yes, but you forgot also that everytime you refer to white Jews as Semites there is some white Jew laughing, because he is your intellectual master, and you are his mindless muling slave. LMAO!
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quote:Every time you refer to yourself as a Middle Easterner, there is some old British geezer laughing, because he is your intellectual master, and you are his mindless muling slave.
Oh yes, but you forgot also that everytime you refer to white Jews as Semites there is some white Jew laughing, because he is your intellectual master, and you are his mindless muling slave. LMAO!
Yes, and you should remember that everytime you refer to yourself as "BLACK" there is some old American-European laughing at you, because he is your intellectual master, and you are his mindless muling slave.
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^^You idiot, Europeans didn't invent the word "Black", lol.. According to Yonis, Europeans and Arabs [especially Arabs] have a monopoly on anything Africans and their descendants identify with.
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Yonis, jesus christ didn't you learn anything from your two years at ES? You thick headed black African, the origin of the word "black" has been discussed so many times. That label cannot be compared to "Semite" and white Jewish imposters who have very little connection to the Semitic haplogroup J.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^^You idiot, Europeans didn't invent the word "Black", lol.. According to Yonis, Europeans and Arabs [especially Arabs] have a monopoly on anything Africans and their descendants identify with.
Too bad you can't cut and paste supporting evidence for your slavish mentality re the label Semitic and white Jews. LOL And you have the nerve to accuse Yonis of being mentally colonized. Its like Sundiata being committed to a fascist collective and pointing fingers at Hans. LMAO!
quote:rasol wrote: Yonis is and African with colonised mind
The pot calling the kettle black, you should keep in mind that i'm not the one identifying as "black" I'm quite sure your ancestors didn't call themselves that before arriving to the new world.
Btw, your arabs have no effect on me, i'm not religious, i sh**t on islam, Mohammed, Moses, jesus, christianity and all the rest of religion/fairytail warlords.
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quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: Btw, your arabs have no effect on me, i'm not religious, i sh**t on islam, Mohammed, Moses, jesus, christianity and all the rest of religion/fairytail warlords.
^ Example of 'protest too much'. Look into it.
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quote:Too bad you can't cut and paste supporting re the label Semitic and white Jews
^ Not caring, why would we do that? Clearly you don't want to face the fact, that no one cares about your anti-semitic hate-obsessions but you.
Your hate-rants against white Jews, just makes you appear to be a coward.
You while away your days whining to Blacks about how much you hate the white Jew, getting little more than a bored eyeroll by way of response, since your hate is so transparently fake. [empty, pointless, bitter, meaningless, useless]
Do you deny this?
Then tell us, what do you do when see the hated 'white Jew'?
You don't do anything. You don't say anything. You cower in fear like a loser, saving up your hate, and then venting it on Egyptsearch amongst Blacks [mostly] who don't care.
Do you have *any idea* of what a looooossssser you are?
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By the way I'm not trying to side with anyone here, because I don't think most African define themselves as Black first, but most African are comfortable with that label, otherwise how you identify yourself with respect to different groups that are different from you physically...There is no shame to view yourself as Black...however I looked into many links to Somali forums posted here and I noticed that Southern Somalis like the Hawiye, Digil and Mirifle posters didn't have any problem with being called Black, whereas Northern Somali( Darods and Issaqs) show some reserve, I'm wondering whether Yonis cultural background(Darod)has anything to do with that. I suspect he's going to deny it, but posts on Somali forums are not my fabrications...
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quote:I'm wondering whether Yonis cultural background(Darod)has anything to do with thatI'm wondering whether Yonis cultural background(Darod)has anything to do with that.
^ More likely his European background, since that's where he lives.
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quote:Too bad you can't cut and paste supporting re the label Semitic and white Jews
^ Not caring, why would we do that? Clearly you don't want to face the fact, that no one cares about your anti-semitic hate-obsessions but you.
Your hate-rants against white Jews, just makes you appear to be a coward.
You while away your days whining to Blacks about how much you hate the white Jew, getting little more than a bored eyeroll by way of response, since your hate is so transparently fake. [empty, pointless, bitter, meaningless, useless]
Do you deny this?
Then tell us, what do you do when see the hated 'white Jew'?
You don't do anything. You don't say anything. You cower in fear like a loser, saving up your hate, and then venting it on Egyptsearch amongst Blacks [mostly] who don't care.
Do you have *any idea* of what a looooossssser you are?
And with all his babblings the mindless muling slave still cannot justify his use of that label for white Jews. Such a transparent little pot rasolowitz. LOL
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